[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12180

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Little-dog sized bones
From: Dawn Taylor

2a. Question on skin condition
From: Shawna
2b. Re: Question on skin condition
From: Andrea
2c. Re: Question on skin condition
From: costrowski75
2d. Re: Question on skin condition
From: marblekallie
2e. Re: Question on skin condition
From: Carol Dunster
2f. Re: Question on skin condition
From: cynthia iparraguirre

3a. Re: Explosive poo
From: Casey Post

4.1. Re: Tripe
From: costrowski75
4.2. Re: Tripe
From: costrowski75
4.3. Re: Tripe
From: darkstardog

5a. Re: Questions from a Newbie
From: Andrea

6a. Re: Feed timing for best poop control
From: Andrea

7a. Re: Quick Question...Pig Heads and Organs
From: Carol Dunster

8.1. Eggs
From: Mary Anne Libcke
8.2. Re: Eggs
From: cynthia iparraguirre
8.3. Re: Eggs
From: costrowski75
8.4. Re: Eggs
From: carnesbill
8.5. Re: Eggs
From: Carol Dunster

9a. Worming
From: qsgirl916
9b. Re: Worming
From: Andrea

10a. Day 5 of Reformation
From: totaly_his
10b. Re: Day 5 of Reformation
From: costrowski75

11. Bloodthirsty, Please Advise!! (was: worming)
From: T Smith

12. Coaxing to gnaw bone
From: alicia.fagan

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1a. Re: Little-dog sized bones
Posted by: "Dawn Taylor" dawnmarie1968@tx.rr.com dawnt91
Date: Fri Oct 19, 2007 6:20 am ((PDT))

"Hi,
I've got two Poms that I've been feeding ground rabbit, lamb, chicken,
etc. But I know they need something to chew on. I've been having trouble
finding any meaty bones that are size appropriate for my 6 pound and 4
pound dogs. Usually what I can find doesn't have a whole lot of meat,
just bone. Any suggestions?"

I've got two littles as well. They do great with any kind of chicken bone, cornish game hen, pork neck bone, beef ribs (they eat the meat off and play with the bone), and pork ribs. I get some really meaty chicken thighs at the grocery store, and these are perfect for them - each thigh is about 2 or 3 days worth of food for them.

The last two days, my 10 pounder has been working on a 24 ounce cornish game hen. She loves it! It's the first "big" meal I've ever given her, and she's enjoying the challenge. Of course, my other little one, a 13 lb Chiweenie, won't put out the effort required to figure out what to do with it. He's on a hunger strike right now because I insist he eat it.

Oh, and when I got Penny, she was only 4 pounds with little baby teeth and she could still eat chicken bones.

Anyway, it will surprise you what little dogs can eat!
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Dawn Taylor

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2a. Question on skin condition
Posted by: "Shawna" Mavides@aol.com mavidess
Date: Fri Oct 19, 2007 6:29 am ((PDT))

Hi everyone,

Well, I think I'm in my 4th week now of feeding raw to my 4 year old
Rottweiler. I was thrilled with the immediate results -- his poop
was much more firm than it ever was (but not crumbly!) and his coat
and skin condition improved greatly!!

Unfortunately, that's not the case anymore -- his poop is still good,
but his skin is terribly -- he's SO itchy and he's covered in
dandruff. I was prepared for a slight "detox" stage...but I figured
since the first 2 weeks went so well, perhaps we would skip that part
(he was on Eagle Pack Holistic Duck & Oatmeal before).

My question is does this sound like a normal reaction? Or am I doing
something wrong? Since his stomach seemed to tolerate the switch so
well, I've fed him quite a variety of food already...the majority has
been chicken legs and thighs, but he also gets a good amount of
ground beef, beef ribs, turkey legs and wings, turkey necks, tripe,
liver, heart, eggs, gizzards, sardines (canned), mackral (canned),
tilapia, lamb necks, ground lamb, and I just recently purchased "beef
cheek meat"...not sure what exactly that was, but it looked like
something he would like (I haven't given that to him yet, so if
anyone knows something I don't about that, please share!). He's had
allergies in the past...which was one of the reasons I wanted to try
the raw diet...but it seems like they've gotten worse this past
week. He is one a low dose of thyroid medication and I give him
omega 3 daily (3VHP capsules). Anyone have a suggestion of something
else I should try? Or are we still in the adjustment period and we
should just wait it out?

Thank you in advance for your help!!! All suggestions and thoughts
welcome!!!

Shawna
Glendale, AZ

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2b. Re: Question on skin condition
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Fri Oct 19, 2007 6:46 am ((PDT))

When I switched my youngest pup to raw, he went through a couple of
weeks where he was really itchy and he had dry dandruffy skin. At that
point he was mainly eating chicken and rabbit, so I started feeding him
fattier foods and started giving him a high dose of fish oil (1000mg
per 10lb of dog). Since making those switches his skin is much
better. Perhaps your boy just needs some more fat or oil in his diet.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Shawna" <Mavides@...> wrote:

> he's SO itchy and he's covered in dandruff. I was prepared for a
> slight "detox" stage...but I figured since the first 2 weeks went
> so well, perhaps we would skip that part

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2c. Re: Question on skin condition
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:08 am ((PDT))

"Shawna" <Mavides@...> wrote:
his skin is terribly -- he's SO itchy and he's covered in
> dandruff. I was prepared for a slight "detox" stage...but I
figured
> since the first 2 weeks went so well, perhaps we would skip that
part
> (he was on Eagle Pack Holistic Duck & Oatmeal before).
>
> My question is does this sound like a normal reaction? Or am I
doing
> something wrong?
*****
It doesn't sound normal to me and if you're doing anything "wrong"
you can undo it.

You are feeding such a mixed buffet that it is impossible to know if
any of his meals are responsible for his problems. I recommend you
pick one meat to feed for a while to simplify things. Always--when
in doubt--simplify. Retreating to a meat that has previously been
successful can help determine what is not successful.

it seems like they've gotten worse this past
> week.
*****
Then the source of the problem is most likely a. whatever it was you
just fed, or b. not food at all but some environmental change.

He is one a low dose of thyroid medication and I give him
> omega 3 daily (3VHP capsules).
*****
Perhaps you should make sure his thyroid dosage and his diet are
compatible. You might also consider upping his 3V dose; it appears
the standard recommended dose is pretty low. The problem (as I see
it) with 3V is when you jack up the dose to increase Omega 3s you
also increase the cod liver oil. Generally there is little reason to
feed CLO; certainly there is no reason to increase it in this
circumstance. Adding a dedicated Omega 3 product or switching to one
may be helpful.

I suggest you evaluate his world. Medical influences, cleaning
solvents, bedding, yard maintenance, pesticide control, central
heating, training treats, enhanced foods, stress, weather changes--
the whole schmear. Something may be new and invasive.

It's possible of course that what you are seeing is a merely a result
of ditching the kibble, in which case it will resolve, probably more
promptly with increased fish oil and extra grooming. But I would be
inclined to suss out external influences as well. If not instead of
waiting it out, certainly along with.
Chris O

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2d. Re: Question on skin condition
Posted by: "marblekallie" marble@pipeline.com marblekallie
Date: Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:09 am ((PDT))

Hi:

You have an awful lot of variety in there very soon after switching.
I would start removing things -- particularly poultry -- to see
whether it makes a difference. One of the food sources may be the
culprit. There are some that don't do that well with chicken, I have
one dog that doesn't. You can also check omega 3, like stopping it
for a day or two to see. Maybe a different brand works better,
perhaps salmon oil would be better. Don't stop the thyroid med.
though.

You mention also that it got worse these last weeks, so what did you
do different? Each animal is different and not everything works for
everyone, so find out what foods seem to be beneficial and drop those
that aren't. While it is good to feed variety -- too much might be
too much.

HTH

Philippa Jordan
New York City

> -- he's SO itchy and he's covered in
> dandruff.

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2e. Re: Question on skin condition
Posted by: "Carol Dunster" cedunster@centurytel.net carwynst
Date: Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:15 am ((PDT))

On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 13:28:34 -0000, you wrote:

>Hi everyone,
>
>Well, I think I'm in my 4th week now of feeding raw to my 4 year old
>Rottweiler. I was thrilled with the immediate results -- his poop
>was much more firm than it ever was (but not crumbly!) and his coat
>and skin condition improved greatly!!
>
>Unfortunately, that's not the case anymore -- his poop is still good,
>but his skin is terribly -- he's SO itchy and he's covered in
>dandruff.

snip

>..... Since his stomach seemed to tolerate the switch so
>well, I've fed him quite a variety of food already...the majority has
>been chicken legs and thighs, but he also gets a good amount of
>ground beef, beef ribs, turkey legs and wings, turkey necks, tripe,
>liver, heart, eggs, gizzards, sardines (canned), mackral (canned),
>tilapia, lamb necks, ground lamb,

snip

> Anyone have a suggestion of something
>else I should try?

I would say that with an allergic dog, you would want to cut him back
to ONE protein source, let his system settle down for a couple of
weeks, then add ONE protein source at a time and feed it for a couple
of weeks before moving on. That way, if he reacts poorly to a certain
protein, you will know what it is that is bothering him. Be sure you
aren't feeding him any grains, veggies, etc.

Just my opinion... :)
~ Carol
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cedunster@centurytel.net

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2f. Re: Question on skin condition
Posted by: "cynthia iparraguirre" cyn7711@yahoo.com cyn7711
Date: Fri Oct 19, 2007 9:07 am ((PDT))

When I started my Lab on raw she looked great, but about a month into it she like your dog started being very itchy & lost tons of hair. At first I was scared that it might be the food I was feedning but It turned out that she had develop an allergy to fleas!
Cynthia flores

Shawna <Mavides@aol.com> wrote:
-- he's SO itchy and he's covered in
dandruff.

.

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3a. Re: Explosive poo
Posted by: "Casey Post" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Fri Oct 19, 2007 6:29 am ((PDT))

> Ginger, my 9-plus-year-old rescue, has had *explosive* diarrhea,
> off-and-on, no discernable trigger, for about six months now.

Kate,

There were a couple of medical things that came to mind, including EPI
(Exocrine Pancreatic Insufficiency) and SIBO (Small Intestine Bacterial
Overgrowth), but then I came across this -

http://www.upei.ca/cidd/Diseases/GI%20disorders/immunoproliferative%20enteropathy.htm

"Basenji enteropathy"?

Casey

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4.1. Re: Tripe
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Oct 19, 2007 6:56 am ((PDT))

Arlene Fell <abeautiful3@...> wrote:
> I was wondering how much tripe and how often to feed; and is tripe
considered a meal in its self?
*****
You can feed green tripe in whatever amounts you want, whenever you
want, however you want. What ultimately defines tripe in the diet is
how much you can afford, how much your dogs like it, and how they
digest it. I know of few dogs that respond badly to green tripe but as
with all foods, feed to your dogs' tolerances and adjust as necessary.

While I rarely feed green tripe as a meal by itself, lots of people
do. I am seriously pinching pennies right now, so I am not
comfortable "squandering" green tripe as a full meal for four dogs.
When I have it, I generally add it to a meal.

In fact, rehashing the somewhat overdone thread of green tripe versus
chicken backs, I occasionally feed green tripe WITH chicken backs.
Chris O

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4.2. Re: Tripe
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Oct 19, 2007 7:10 am ((PDT))

"Josephine Morningstar" <josephine.morningstar@...> wrote:
>
> actually, green tripe is more then that.. its the 4th stomach of the
cow..
> and in that 4th stomach, is the enzymes and amino acids that meat
eaters
> need to help to digest food..
*****
I get your point, but it's my understanding that green tripe can
include to however many stomachs are processed and is not necessarily
limited to the fourth.
Chris O

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4.3. Re: Tripe
Posted by: "darkstardog" darkstardog@charter.net darkstardog
Date: Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:15 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "carnesbill" <carnesw@...> wrote:
>
> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Josephine Morningstar"
> <josephine.morningstar@> wrote:
> >
> > actually, green tripe is more then that.. its the 4th stomach
> > of the cow.. and in that 4th stomach, is the enzymes and
> > amino acids that meat eaters need to help to digest food..
>
> I think you are mistaken there. There is no reason for enzymes to
> digest meat to be in a cow's stomach. Cows don't eat meat. Dogs
> already have he necessary enzymes to digest meat without eating it
> in tripe. If tripe were needed my dogs and many many other dogs
> would be in trouble because they haven't had tripe in their lives.
>

She's right that cows have digestive enzymes in the fourth stomach
region including pepsin. They do need them because they digest the
bacteria and other microorganisms that are processing the plant
material in the other stomach chambers. The bacteria are a source of
amino acids to cows.
And I guess they would also digest proteins from the plant material if
the bacteria haven't used them up.

Meat eaters don't need cow enzymes to digest their own food though.
Dogs and people make also make pepsin in their stomachs - we don't
have to get it secondhand.

Marty

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5a. Re: Questions from a Newbie
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Fri Oct 19, 2007 7:09 am ((PDT))

Alicia, it sounds like things are going great! I commend you for going
slow with variety, it was one of the hardest things to do for me.

> 1) Does it sound like I'm going about this right? I have the
> dogs' enthusiastic approval, but they'd approve of a pizza diet.

Yes, it sounds like you are doing great.

> 2) Anyone heard of Hudson Chicken? The packaging says nothing
> about additives, only "Less than 5% retained water."

I've never heard of Hudson, but it sounds like a great deal. Retained
water isn't anything you need to worry about.

> 3) <snip> Any other suggestions for adding weight to an
> underweight gsd?

Adding fattier meals always helps to fill a dog out.

Andrea

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6a. Re: Feed timing for best poop control
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Fri Oct 19, 2007 7:28 am ((PDT))

Well, how long it takes to poo really depends on what my dog eats and
how much. I'm pretty sure that the dogs go once a day, but it never
seems to be at the same time every day. It would probably be easiest
for poop control if you fed once a day, but if you want to feed twice
then maybe a big morning meal and a snack late in the evening? Sorry I
can't be more help.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, caroline gebbie <caz320ml@...> wrote:

> I want to feed twice a day, she loves her food and is too used to
> this to change now, which is the best way round, big meal am or big
> meal pm any ideas?

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7a. Re: Quick Question...Pig Heads and Organs
Posted by: "Carol Dunster" cedunster@centurytel.net carwynst
Date: Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:09 am ((PDT))

On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 02:18:34 -0000, you wrote:

>Any
>suggestions on how to prepare my own digestive system before receiving
>these items?

Nose plugs? I get raw fresh cow's liver and it does stink when I wash
it and cut it up to freeze. I find that the hardest part of it. Also
get a very sharp knife if you are going to have to cut things up and
freeze them (I have Toy dogs, they just don't eat 50 lbs of liver in a
sitting... hehe).
~ Carol
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8.1. Eggs
Posted by: "Mary Anne Libcke" Marylibcke@hotmail.com libckem
Date: Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:52 am ((PDT))

I would like to add eggs to my dogs' diet in the future, but from what
I can tell you are supposed to hand them an egg in the shell from the
fridge? Will they really know what to do with it? How much of a mess
is that?

Sorry to be dense about this. I do have to say though that since
starting to feed raw (only a few days) I feel so empowered. Maybe it
is a control thing? But I feel like a stronger bond is there because I
am not just pouring food in a bowl and walking away. Does this make
sense to anyone?

Thanks

You guys are great.

Mary Libcke
Marylibcke@hotmail.com

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8.2. Re: Eggs
Posted by: "cynthia iparraguirre" cyn7711@yahoo.com cyn7711
Date: Fri Oct 19, 2007 9:07 am ((PDT))

I hand it straight to my dog. She does great, and at times she even eats the whole shell leaving behind little to no mess.

Cynthia Flores

Mary Anne Libcke <Marylibcke@hotmail.com> wrote:
I would like to add eggs to my dogs' diet in the future, but from what
I can tell you are supposed to hand them an egg in the shell from the
fridge? Will they really know what to do with it? How much of a mess
is that?

.

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8.3. Re: Eggs
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Oct 19, 2007 9:37 am ((PDT))

"Mary Anne Libcke" <Marylibcke@...> wrote:
>
> I would like to add eggs to my dogs' diet in the future, but from
what
> I can tell you are supposed to hand them an egg in the shell from
the
> fridge?
*****
This but one way. Newbie dogs might need help figuring out what to
do with it; you may way to put it in a bowl or even going so far
(for the ova-challenged raw eater) as to break the egg into the
bowl. The learning curve is swift though. Your dog will catch on.

> Sorry to be dense about this.
*****
Not dense. Let me tell you dense: When way back I decided that
veggie mash was a tragic joke I was happy to remove it from the menu
but DARNED if I could figure out what to replace it with. Isn't
that pathetic? I mean, catastrophic brain failure. Meat of
course. More lovely, appropriate meat. So no, not dense.

But I feel like a stronger bond is there because I
> am not just pouring food in a bowl and walking away. Does this
make
> sense to anyone?
*****
Yes, absolutely and it just gets better.
Chris O

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8.4. Re: Eggs
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Fri Oct 19, 2007 9:47 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Mary Anne Libcke"
<Marylibcke@...> wrote:
>
> I would like to add eggs to my dogs' diet in the future, but
> from what I can tell you are supposed to hand them an egg in
> the shell from the fridge?

You can do it that way but it's not mandatory. I usually break the
eggs open and put them in a bowl with other food. I don't feed
shells to my dogs. They don't particualrly like them. The only
real nutrient in the shell is calcium and they get plenty of that
from bone.

> Will they really know what to do with it?

Mine don't when it's in the shell. :)

> How much of a mess is that?

My dogs will clean up whatever mess they make while eating.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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8.5. Re: Eggs
Posted by: "Carol Dunster" cedunster@centurytel.net carwynst
Date: Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:58 am ((PDT))

On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 15:20:16 -0000, you wrote:

>I would like to add eggs to my dogs' diet in the future, but from what
>I can tell you are supposed to hand them an egg in the shell from the
>fridge?

To be honest, I have small dogs and add one egg to whatever else they
are eating every so often. I break mine, whisk it and pour it over
their other food. I think I might go to just dumping one in each bowl
and tossing something with it on "egg" day. My duck's eggs weigh from
2.5 oz to 3.75 oz, so are almost a whole meal for my Toy dogs!
~ Carol
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9a. Worming
Posted by: "qsgirl916" qsgirl916@yahoo.com qsgirl916
Date: Fri Oct 19, 2007 9:56 am ((PDT))

After talking with one of my friends about my conversion to raw-
feeding, she told me that she knew someone else who did with their
cats. She said that this couple had to worm the cats for all the
parasites that could have affected the animals that the meat had come
from. That is, the cats were being treated for cow and pig parasites
for example. I haven't heard of this or read of it in my research. Does
this sound familiar to any of you? Are you going above and beyond the
normal worming for your dogs?

Thanks,
Sarah

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9b. Re: Worming
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:14 am ((PDT))

That one is right up there with "If you feed your dog raw they will
become bloodthirsty." Absolute rubbish. If you feed your dog human
grade meat there is no reason to worry about parasite infestation. If
you are lucky enough to get wild game you can freeze the meat for a
couple of weeks to get rid of any beasties.

There is no reason to worm a dog unless it has a wom infestation that
negatively impacts their health, IMO. Just keep doing what you are
doing and don't let people's "I know a guy who. . ." stories get to you.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "qsgirl916" <qsgirl916@...> wrote:

> That is, the cats were being treated for cow and pig parasites
> for example. I haven't heard of this or read of it in my research.
> Does this sound familiar to any of you? Are you going above and
> beyond the normal worming for your dogs?

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10a. Day 5 of Reformation
Posted by: "totaly_his" totaly_his@yahoo.com totaly_his
Date: Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:00 am ((PDT))

I started raw feeding 5 days ago. She has eaten every day. I notice
that some on this forum don't feed every day. How do I know If my dogs
can/needs to skip a day of feeding? Her BM's are alright, a little on
the soft side but not runny. I saw her eating grass yesterday and she
does that if she has a bellyache. Also, does it hurt anything if after
I eat my dinner that I give her a bite of my bread, steak, or popcorn,
mainly because she is watching me eat and I know she wants a bite of
what I am having (she's not spoiled or anything :-). I don't want to
mess anything up though. She has been on all chicken meat and bones
this week. Next week should I feed her some beef? Do I mix the beef
daily WITH the chicken or offer beef every other day? Thanks bunches!
Jackie

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10b. Re: Day 5 of Reformation
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:51 am ((PDT))

"totaly_his" <totaly_his@...> wrote:
> I started raw feeding 5 days ago. She has eaten every day.
*****
Reformation? Oh no! I hope you're not feeding her a diet of worms.

I notice
> that some on this forum don't feed every day. How do I know If my
dogs
> can/needs to skip a day of feeding?
*****
The purpose of skipping days is to allow the food when it is fed to be
Big Food--complicated, cumbersome, awkward, challening, fully
engrossing and fully filling. I am quite pleased with the results of
feeding Big Food and I recommend it but--but!!

I suggest you and your kid spend more time on the job before you expand
your horizons so broadly. I think the both of you should be
comfortable with meaty bones and comfortable with meatymeat, and
accustomed to meals of irregular size and timing. I think you guys got
lots of time.

Right now, I would suggest skipping a meal when/if digestive upset
calls for a bit of easing-off; otherwise, focus on successfully
introducing protein and body part variety. First things first.

Also, does it hurt anything if after
> I eat my dinner that I give her a bite of my bread, steak, or
popcorn,
*****
Just don't overdo it and if some treats seem to cause upset tummies,
stop feeding those treats. I think feeding treats because she's
expecting you to is a behavior misdemeanor, not a feeding issue. Which
of course is not a topic for this list.

I don't want to
> mess anything up though.
*****
You're not likely to mess anything up that can't be unmessed. Loose
stools happen. They don't signify failure or disease or allergies or
bad meat, they mean too much food, too much new, too much fat. So if
you mess up, retreat and try to suss out why your got the results you
did. When in doubt, simplify.

She has been on all chicken meat and bones
> this week. Next week should I feed her some beef?
*****
If you are comfortable with her performance on chicken, move on. It
sounds to me though that soft stools are a consideration for you, so
maybe stay put another few days. Again, you got time.

Do I mix the beef
> daily WITH the chicken or offer beef every other day?
*****
When starting a new dog, I absolutely start by adding small amounts of
the new meat to existing meals so that over the course of a few an
increasingly larger amount of New Meat is fed with an appropriately
smaller amount of Old Meat. I think it's counterproductive to dash
into new meats when dashing isn't needed. When the New Meat becomes
standard fare, then I feed it as part of the diet, however that is
served.

OTOH, others hopscotch from new meat to new meat without problems, so
there's no question this is a "know your dog" issue!
Chris O

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11. Bloodthirsty, Please Advise!! (was: worming)
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:59 am ((PDT))

I am glad you wrote this.
I read that before I switched to raw because i have pet Guinea pigs but this
morning two of the dogs had torn open the cage (ripped the bars apart) &
killed 3 of them.
Can others PLEASE tell me you have pet rodents WITH your dogs & no
problems? I've had these piggies a year & this has NOT been a problem.
If it is the problem (raw feeding) I will have to go back to k***le.
I need some reassurring words here, these were my pets!
There's nothing like having to chase my Dane pup around the yard to get my
pet piggie whose head is half eaten!
Trina

On 10/19/07, Andrea <poketmouse45@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> That one is right up there with "If you feed your dog raw they will
> become bloodthirsty." Absolute rubbish. If you feed your dog human
> grade meat there is no reason to worry about parasite infestation. If
> you are lucky enough to get wild game you can freeze the meat for a
> couple of weeks to get rid of any beasties.
>
> <snip>
>
> Andrea
>
>

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12. Coaxing to gnaw bone
Posted by: "alicia.fagan" alicia.fagan@yahoo.com alicia.fagan
Date: Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:59 am ((PDT))

Anyone have suggestions for getting a dog new to raw to eat off the
bone? This is the first week I've been trying raw with my Lhasa apso.
She likes the meat, but can only eat it out of the bowl; does not know
how to tear the meat off the bone. She'll lick it or take it out of my
hand, walk a few feet, and drop it. Strange, because she loves to gnaw
her cooked, hollow bones. I am worried that she is not getting the
calcium (and i do not have a grinder). I know i should give her time,
but any ideas would be greatly appreciated!

Alicia

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