Feed Pets Raw Food: [rawfeeding] Digest Number 12190

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: New -just registered
From: Renate

2a. Re: Were do you get Green Tripe
From: Yasuko herron
2b. Re: Were do you get Green Tripe
From: costrowski75
2c. Re: Were do you get Green Tripe
From: Giselle

3a. Re: Puppy growth too rapid?
From: Gayle
3b. Re: Puppy growth too rapid?
From: Annaliisa Readman
3c. Re: Puppy growth too rapid?
From: Gayle

4a. Re: still hungry
From: Yasuko herron

5a. Re: New to raw - made mistakes - need help
From: Yasuko herron
5b. Re: New to raw - made mistakes - need help
From: Giselle

6a. Blood in poop
From: abeautiful3
6b. Re: Blood in poop
From: Sandee Lee
6c. Pale gums/6 week old puppies
From: Cheryl Clay
6d. Re: Blood in poop
From: costrowski75

7a. Re: Kind of OT: Picture of dogs in deer carcass
From: Michelle LaFay
7b. Re: Kind of OT: Picture of dogs in deer carcass
From: Michelle LaFay

8a. Re: RMB
From: Giselle

9a. Re: Coaxing to gnaw bone
From: Giselle

10. looking for information on raw feeding
From: ri_bulldogs

11a. Goose Bones
From: Pablo
11b. Re: Goose Bones
From: carnesbill
11c. Re: Goose Bones
From: jennifer_hell

12. Feeding Quail
From: cynthia iparraguirre

13. Feeding Eggs and Fish
From: amvilppu

14. Diatomaceous-Earth
From: tinne

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1a. Re: New -just registered
Posted by: "Renate" renate.tideswell@gmail.com tideswell_renate
Date: Mon Oct 22, 2007 4:50 pm ((PDT))

It's all good. I made a really stupid, off hand comment yesterday. I just
didn't want her to expect her 4lb yorkie to eat that muchLOL , though Fro
would have done.

On 10/22/07, Tina Berry <k9baron@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> "My smallest one is a 9lb tzu and I was giving her 1/4lb and she was
> doing
> well, now she's in her 6th week preg, so it's a whole new story, but there
> is no way a 4 lb dog should eat 3/4lb per day."
>
> Oh crap - you're right - 2% of 4lbs is .08 so I was way off. Sorry. But
> you can still do the rest of my email - start out with chicken for 2-3
> weeks....
> --
> Tina Berry - MT
> Kriegshund German Shepherds
> Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
> www.kriegshundgsds.com
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2a. Re: Were do you get Green Tripe
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:12 pm ((PDT))

>I would like to know were you get green tripe and turkey backs and
>other things mentioned.

Hi,Sara. Where do you live?

I say,if you live east coast,you get tripe from hare today in PA will be reasonable.If west coast,then www.greentripe.com would be good.

And... as for Turkey back.Get the whole Turkey andcut to portion.

Since it is October now,if you wait little longer to feed Turkey,you mayget Turkey cheaper due thanksgiving sale etc.

I think that buying whole poultry is better than buying parts by parts,not just because of avoiding inhaling or gulping thing but also,much cheaper getting the items. Get whole thing for poultry;chicken Turkey pheasant etc and rabbit if you desire,and cut to portion.

If you have chocolate lab, probably giving parts would be more inviting to be gulped piece whole so,stick to whole poultry cut into portion.THat would help.

And,if you looking for bony parts like back,try getting out from the ideas. Back is mostly bones and too much bone cause constipation andbone has marrow in it and,by consuming whole lot of bones,it is,to me,too much fat.

go for about little bone and lots of meat andsome organs as goal.

Try one protin source (you pick one),and stick to it for a week or so until you think your dog digested meal ok,and move on to theother.Don't start adding everything in one meal all at once. That cause tummy upset. and,in my case..I started with chicken.

so,fed chicken a while(no organ),and when I thought shewas ready to move on,I still kept her on chicken and added tiny tiny bit of chicken organ.Then,3rd week,I moved on to beef.So,meal was like Beef and chicken organ. Then,I went to Turkey,and Turkey and chicken organ,,andsometime on that week,I added Turkey gizzard so,so she got Turkey and Chicken organ sometimes or Turkey gizzard. Then from Turkey,I went to pork,and some dayswith chicken organ and some day Turkey gizzard.Then, after I saw pork isdigesting well,I introduced Beef liver still keeping her on pork.So,Her meal was like Pork meal with either chicken organ,Turkey gizzard,Or Beef liver. And went to lamb. So,kept her on lamb with chicken organ orTurkey gizzard or Beef liver,I added Beef kidney on that week,and later I introduced pork liver andkidney the same way with after she did good on another new protin source I introduced. Do you see the picture now? Always,you better introduce one at a time andthat way,you
find cylplit of tummy upset or throwing up,andyou can tweak the menu that way.

I keep journal too andthat is very helpful when you start out.

I do not have it with me right now here but, after introducing all the protin source I wanted to introduce,I introduced Fish oil capsule andthen after I see she did ok with it,I introduced Tripe very last. It is just me and,you do not have to follow my steps but it is how I did.

This group is very helpful and you would find so much info you would needwhen you start out so,try looking the archive in the past as well,and ask if you have more questions.

One thing I really like about this group is,members follow up what you asked in post until you be satisfied with response. I mean, they help you til you undertsand,til the end.
Help is awesome.

and there are so many people who feed raw feeding for years,so,they have lots of experiences too andyou would educate yourself day by day by even just reading posts.

I know you would be nervous about everything but you be fine. Yourdog would thank you a lot.And that choice you make will be best choice you ever made.

Good luck,

yassy

I'm getting ready to start a raw diet on my
Chocolate Labs and want to do it right.

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2b. Re: Were do you get Green Tripe
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Oct 22, 2007 9:29 pm ((PDT))

"Sara Buchanan 03218B" <judge742@...> wrote:
>
> I would like to know were you get green tripe
*****
Check the CarnivoreFeed-Supplier list or Google green tripe. There
are several sources of raw green tripe across the US. You do not
want to bother with the canned stuff.

and turkey backs and
> other things mentioned
*****
Turkey backs by and large are best fed as part of the turkey. What
other things? We mention a LOT of things on this list.

There's an excellent post floating around that delineates possibly
ALL the possible sources available to a raw feeder; I hope someone
will repost it, or perhaps someone already has.

Also browse the list archives for past advice. Instructions for
accessing group archives are at the bottom of each Rawfeeding email
you receive.
Chris O

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2c. Re: Were do you get Green Tripe
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Mon Oct 22, 2007 10:08 pm ((PDT))

Your wish is my command!
The - Ta-Da! - Lis List!

*http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/139618*

*Post #139618*

> Where do you look for meat suppliers?

Permission to repost from Lis

1) Look up meat and poultry packers, processors, and distributors in
the yellow pages. You may be able to get great prices from them if
you order in bulk, and/or they may have a discount outlet that is
open to the public.

2) I get many of my best deals in Asian/Oriental markets. I've also
heard that Hispanic and Caribbean markets have great variety and
prices too.

3) You may be able to join a barter group.

4) Google breeders (i.e. rabbit, goat, lamb, etc.) who are in your
geographic area. They may have culls they want to get rid of, or
lower prices overall.

5) Look up bulk suppliers and frozen bulk foods in your yellow pages.

6) If you have a Chinatown nearby, definitely make a visit.

7) Let your friends, relatives, and neighbors know you want any
freezer burn or old meat when they clean out their freezers, and tell
them to pass the word along.

8) If you belong to a church or social group, tell those members to
mention it to their friends and relatives as well.

9) See if there are any co-ops or meat buying groups near you. Check
on Yahoo, or Google to see.

10) Try craigslist - it's amazing what you can get for free or cheap.

11) And I get meat and fish all the time (for free) through
FreeCycle. Join multiple lists if there are a few close by.

12) Some Wal-marts and some Costcos and some Sam's Clubs have good
deals, but you may want to make sure it's not seasoned meat.

13) Definitely watch the flyers, and you can usually see the rest
of the flyers online (the ones that don't get delivered to your house,
but are only a short drive away).

14) *** Hands down, the bulk of my best deals have been marked down
meat at regular grocery stores. They reduce it the day before it is
going to expire, and I go as early as I can to get it before it is
gone.

15) Tell friends and relatives who hunt and fish that you want first
dibs on any body parts they don't. You can probably get at least the
organs and maybe the head. Also ask them to put you in touch with
their other friends who hunt and fish.

16) A great tip I learned here a while back – some restaurants
throw out things they don't use, like the organs that come inside
whole poultry, or raw meat that falls on the floor. See if they'll
save them for you. Find somebody who knows somebody who works there.

17) Farmer's markets are great, but pick and choose carefully for the
best bargains. And sometimes at the end of the day some vendors will
reduce their prices, 'cause they don't want to take it back with them.

18) Some people contact taxidermists, who have no use for the meat.

19) Find people on this list from your vicinity, and ask them where
they get their meat deals. Join other raw feeding lists (there are
many), and ask if there are other raw feeders in your area.

20) Tell your butcher you want the meat that they would normally
throw out, that is almost out of date, that people ordered and didn't
pick up, stuff that was dropped on the floor, their freezer
cleanouts, and parts that don't sell (like trachea, lungs, spleen,
etc.). Some butchers will save their trim for you (once they get to
know you). Build a relationship with them first.

21) Yes, roadkill works too (where it is legal). In some places you
can get your name on the list and get called when they have large
roadkill. (like deer)

22) You can raise your own meat/poultry if you have the room.

23) Post a message in Carnivore Feed-Supplier or CFS-Canada if you are
in North America:
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/CarnivoreFeed-Supplier/
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/CFS-Canada/

24) Speak to local farmers.

25) Also, look for heart, tongue, and gizzards, which count as meat (as
opposed to organ) in the world of raw feeding, but are often cheaper
than other muscle meats.

26) Find somebody who knows somebody who works at the grocery store.
They can introduce you to the meat guy, who may become more willing
to save stuff for you or reduce items about to expire, once they know
you.

27) Check the internet. Some suppliers have affordable prices, even
after shipping costs are calculated.

Lis

Turkeys are going on sale! I saw whole frozen turkeys on sale at Super Fresh
in Cape May Court House @ 49 cents a lb., no coupon necessary. The Acme and
Shop Rites in my area often have seasonal offers of 'free' turkeys you can
get for spending a certain amount during a designated time period, usually
the months before Thanksgiving and Christmas. Time to stock up!

Giselle

with Bea in New Jersey

On 10/23/07, costrowski75 <Chriso75@aol.com> wrote:
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> "Sara Buchanan 03218B" <judge742@...> wrote:
> >
> > I would like to know were you get green tripe
> *****
> Check the CarnivoreFeed-Supplier list or Google green tripe. There
> are several sources of raw green tripe across the US. You do not
> want to bother with the canned stuff.
>
> and turkey backs and
> > other things mentioned
> *****
> Turkey backs by and large are best fed as part of the turkey. What
> other things? We mention a LOT of things on this list.
>
> There's an excellent post floating around that delineates possibly
> ALL the possible sources available to a raw feeder; I hope someone
> will repost it, or perhaps someone already has.
>
> Also browse the list archives for past advice. Instructions for
> accessing group archives are at the bottom of each Rawfeeding email
> you receive.
> Chris O
>
>

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3a. Re: Puppy growth too rapid?
Posted by: "Gayle" gayle@gayleturner.net gayle28607
Date: Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:12 pm ((PDT))

Great news, Tina! Thanks so much for looking up your puppy records. I had no idea of when
to expect Chakotay to close in on half his adult weight. My last pup was a GR, and because I
expected him to be big, I don't think I paid as much attention to his puppy weight, or when
he started to look like a grown up.

(I also have learned a lot, and developed more fears since the previous puppy. I lost Dante to
cancer at 6 years old. I want give this pup the best chances for a long life. RMB's are part of
that.)

This list is great!!!

Gayle and Chakoty

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Tina Berry" <k9baron@...> wrote:
>
> OK, I just looked back at my puppy records and good news... my current 18
> month olds, when they were 4 months they each weighed 50 lbs. So over half
> their adult weight

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3b. Re: Puppy growth too rapid?
Posted by: "Annaliisa Readman" amvilppu@hotmail.com amvilppu
Date: Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:13 pm ((PDT))

It is my understanding that the 2-3 percent is appropriate for adult dogs but not puppies. What I have read is that puppies need 10 percent of their body weight and that is what I have been feeding my 17 week old boxer puppy for the last 5 weeks. She is growing steadily, some weeks she grows more than others, but she is not overweight and is very toned and lean. Some days she probably eats a little less than that because she doesn't want more and other days she seems hungrier and she probably gets a bit more, but that is usually after she has been playing at the beach all afternoon (We are in San Diego and live a mile from Dog Beach--a puppy paradise). And as some people have said, although the ideal is for puppies to eat three times a day, she doesn't always want three meals. She may refuse breakfast and then eat a larger lunch and dinner or skip lunch and eat a big dinner. What I love about rawfeeding is that a lot of it is common sense. Chunky dog? Feed less! Skinny dog? Feed more! Good luck with your pup and enjoy. We love sitting on the patio with a glass of wine watching her feast on her RMB. It is an expression of pure joy.

Annaliisa, Drew and Boxer pup Laila
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3c. Re: Puppy growth too rapid?
Posted by: "Gayle" gayle@gayleturner.net gayle28607
Date: Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:13 pm ((PDT))

That is quite a huge variation. My guy is massively active, too, on top of growing like a
weed. Thanks for the reality check!

Gayle and Chakotay

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Laura Atkinson" <llatkinson@...> wrote:
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> I'd just go with feel. I always start my puppies out at 3%, and end
> up feeding them more than I *think* they should for longer than I
> think I should. For instance, my 8 mo old bitch, who is about 20", is
> still eating about 1 lb a day and not getting fat at all...she's just
> that active (she also DEMANDS two meals a day, but I think that's a
> training issue - she's got me trained!). In contrast, my 23 1/2 ",
> top of standard boy, gets between 3/4 and 1lb a day. She's less than
> 40 lbs, he's closer to 60 lbs.
>
>
>
> --
> Laura A
> Kaos Siberians http://www.kaossiberians.com
> Forget love...I'd rather fall in chocolate.
>

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4a. Re: still hungry
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:12 pm ((PDT))

>I have a 115 lb shepard mix who I have just > switched to raw food over the past few >weeks. but he keeps asking for more.

Hi.how much food are you giving? I do not know waht weight is ideal for him but assuming 115lb(current weight) is ideal,andif you feed 3%,then you should be feeding around 3.5lb daily.

It is just guideline but,is thisamount closer to what you arefeeding now??

If so, feed little bit more and see how he does.

yassy

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5a. Re: New to raw - made mistakes - need help
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Mon Oct 22, 2007 8:05 pm ((PDT))

>>My 3 yr old GR has been on raw 8 days. 1st day was chicken but
>introduced variety of foods daily during the week

Hi. Well, you better stick to one protin for at least til you see your dog does well on without introducing anything but one protin source you chose. Introducing daily is way too fast.
Go slow and introduce oneat a time AFTER your dog does well on new added thing.

>I saw other posts of giving only chicken the 1st 2 weeks and not introduce organs for 2 >months.

It depends on you and your dog.I introduced liver on second week but main meal was chicken still and with tiny bits of organ(chicken liver) the second week.

If you wanted to wait for months to feed liver(organs),that is fine.No need to hurry.

If you want to feed it early like me,you can. So now,you looks like go back to chicken and stay with chicken awhile but after feedding chicken only without organ,and if your dog did well on it and if you want to introduce liver ,stick to chicken for main meal andadd smidge of liver andwork up theamount in thatweek checking how your dog does on it.

3rd week,if you want to do like me,and if you move to beef,then,you can feed beef as main meal andadd chicken liver which you already know she did good on,so,if anything went wrong,you need to work on beef not organ.

There are no rules set in stone so,you can pick the protin of your choice and move on but it is just that when you start out,better to stick to one protin for aweek or til your dog gets well on and then,add new thing.

>Any idea how long it will take his tummy to settle down.

loose stool or diarrhea,mine takes about couple of days if longest but shortest is one day.

So,your dog having uncontrolable diarrhea or just loose poo or..???

since you wrote diarrhea,it is frequent toilet break and possibly watery poo plus accident insidethe house??

If it was then,fast your dog a day,andoffer plenty of water to avoid dehydration and,next meal will be with either probiotic or with slipperly Elm powder would be good.

Feeding small amount through out the day helps too.

If you try skin off fat of but still poo is bad,then,try fast your dog.It will give the dog stomach to rest and recover.

yassy

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5b. Re: New to raw - made mistakes - need help
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Mon Oct 22, 2007 9:58 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Cindy!
You'll want to go back to feeding just chicken for a week or
two, after a day's fast, to let his digestive system settle down.
Slippery Elm Bark Powder is what I'd recommend that you use on the fast day,
and for a couple of days after.
It would probably be a good idea to trim visible fat and at least some skin
for a week, and gradually trim less until you're not trimming at all.
Feeding breasts with very little bone at first is a good idea too, for the
first week after fasting. Smaller, more frequent meals are recommended for
new-to-raw dogs, until they acclimate to digesting new proteins and bones.
Have you checked out the archives and read the daily posts as well as the
files and recommended websites? Its a good idea, too, to copy and print out
information you find online, so you can review it at your leisure.
Some links to get you started;

*http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/141374 *

*post # 141374*

http://www.rawlearning.com/rawfaq.html

http://www.rawfed.com/myths/index.html

http://rawfeddogs.net/Recipes

http://mypetcarnivore.com/dogs_eating.htm
SEBP - Slippery Elm Bark Powder. This good, innocuous herb soothes the
stomach and digestive system. If you feel you need to intervene when your
dog has loose poops or constipation, this is the way to go. SEBP is "used to
treat diarrhea, constipation, enteritis, colitis & irritations of the
stomach. Used to soothe, protect & lubricate mucous membranes. Also, it used
to relieve the discomforts of kennel cough & other types of bronchitis."
http://fiascofarm.com/herbs/supplements.htm
I use 1 tsp of SEBP to one ounce of ground or chopped chicken. Mix them
together and shape enough meatballs for several days doses, and freeze some.
They thaw quickly. For small dogs, divide in ½-ounce meatballs, for large to
giant dogs, 1-ounce meatballs. Feed 1 with each meal, and in between meals.
Or, fast for a day, (not for pups, fast for just a meal or two) offer plenty
of water. Feed SEBP meatballs 3-4 times throughout the day. You can also mix
SEBP with water or no salt added chicken or beef broth, or sprinkle it on
meat, if the dog will eat it this way. Feed smaller, more frequent meals
with small amounts or no bone for several days after, gradually increasing
the meal size and decreasing the SEBP meatballs. You will often see an
increase in mucousy poops with SEBP, this is part of the way it soothes the
digestive system, and the dog's body will sometimes produce mucous on its
own to deal with digestive irritation even without SEBP. SEBP will not
provide bulk, or 'fiber' to firm up poops, this will happen naturally, as
the dog's digestive system and meals return to normal.

TC and let us know how you progress!
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

On 10/22/07, cwnsc <cwells5@charter.net> wrote:
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> Hi!
>
> My 3 yr old GR has been on raw 8 days. 1st day was chicken but
> introduced variety of foods daily during the week and gave him liver
> Wednesday. I realize my mistake and both us are paying the
> consequences. I saw other posts of giving only chicken the 1st 2
> weeks and not introduce organs for 2 months. Any idea how long it will
> take his tummy to settle down. The diarrhea is bad. He has had only
> chicken the last 4 days with no skin and fat removed.
>
> Thanks
> Cindy
>
>

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6a. Blood in poop
Posted by: "abeautiful3" abeautiful3@yahoo.com abeautiful3
Date: Mon Oct 22, 2007 8:05 pm ((PDT))

Hi I have noticed some blood in the poop is this something to worry
about. He is not straining and the poop is not dry. Feeding mostly chicken

Arlene & Rocky

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6b. Re: Blood in poop
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Mon Oct 22, 2007 8:31 pm ((PDT))

Generally a bit of bright red blood is no worry...just a sign of irritation.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "abeautiful3" <abeautiful3@yahoo.com>

Hi I have noticed some blood in the poop is this something to worry
about. He is not straining and the poop is not dry. Feeding mostly chicken

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6c. Pale gums/6 week old puppies
Posted by: "Cheryl Clay" cheryllclay@yahoo.com cheryllclay
Date: Mon Oct 22, 2007 8:55 pm ((PDT))

Hi,
I have a litter of GSD puppies, 6 weeks old. I am feeding them a mix of hamburger meat, chicken thighs, ground turkey/chicken and recently gave them some small chicken wings which they ate just fine. I have given them cut up livers and gizzards only a couple times.

The entire litter has pale gums. I have treated them for all parasites and don't believe this could be the cause. Could I be missing something in their diet? I gave them some beef liver yesterday and today and they seem a tad better, but one male looks a bit weak tonight.

Do any of you think I am harming them by not offering something more than I have been?

ANY help or advice you be very appreciated!
Thanks
Cheryl C.

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6d. Re: Blood in poop
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Oct 22, 2007 9:36 pm ((PDT))

"abeautiful3" <abeautiful3@...> wrote:
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> Hi I have noticed some blood in the poop is this something to worry
> about.
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Poop IN the stool--black and tarry and darned difficult to
differentiate from a liver or red meat stool--may be a sign of internal
bleeding.

Poop ON the stool--bright red and fresh-looking--usually indicates
irritation of the bowels. This is not unusual for noob dogs and can
occur even with veteran rawfed dogs. If it continues you will want to
step back and evaluate what you've been feeding.

Chris O

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7a. Re: Kind of OT: Picture of dogs in deer carcass
Posted by: "Michelle LaFay" mblafay@gmail.com mblafay
Date: Mon Oct 22, 2007 8:06 pm ((PDT))

I don't remember ever sharing them with the list but I do have pics of my
chi/doxie working on a deer as well as the mini schnauzer and my border
collie sharing it. I will see if I have them uploaded to photobucket and
share them in a minute.

On 10/22/07, Joanne Thompson <tho0123@earthlink.net> wrote:
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> Does anyone remember who it was that sent the picture of the little dogs
> eating in the deer carcass? I want to send it to some friends.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joanne Thompson
> Black Diamond Kennels
> Working Giant Schnauzers
> Bellvue, CO 80512
>
>

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7b. Re: Kind of OT: Picture of dogs in deer carcass
Posted by: "Michelle LaFay" mblafay@gmail.com mblafay
Date: Mon Oct 22, 2007 8:06 pm ((PDT))

Ok this should take you to the album with the pics. I will keep uploading
more. I know I have a few good ones of Pixie (the little one) working on a
pork shoulder bigger than she is lol. Some cute ones of the kittens working
on a whole chicken too lol.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b294/mblafay/rawfeeding/

On 10/22/07, Michelle LaFay <mblafay@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I don't remember ever sharing them with the list but I do have pics of my
> chi/doxie working on a deer as well as the mini schnauzer and my border
> collie sharing it. I will see if I have them uploaded to photobucket and
> share them in a minute.
>
> On 10/22/07, Joanne Thompson <tho0123@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone remember who it was that sent the picture of the little dogs
> > eating in the deer carcass? I want to send it to some friends.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Joanne Thompson
> > Black Diamond Kennels
> > Working Giant Schnauzers
> > Bellvue, CO 80512
> >
> > <mblafay@gmail.com>

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Michelle - The Future Mrs Foley!
mblafay@gmail.com

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8a. Re: RMB
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Mon Oct 22, 2007 8:11 pm ((PDT))

Well, Bill - since you put it that way, I guess I can't share then.

TC
Giselle

On 10/22/07, carnesbill <carnesw@bellsouth.net> wrote:
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> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com <rawfeeding%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Giselle <megan.giselle@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Christina!
> > It used to be free to dl, but now they charge for it.
> > Contact me by private email, and I'll share my copy with you.
>
> Giselle,
> Sending people copywrited files is called "Piracy" and is illegal. It
> is stealing intellectual property. You can and will get jail time for
> that plus pay a very large fine.
>
> Bill Carnes
> http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm
>
> Feeding Raw since October 2002
>
> "Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
> Dr. Tom Lonsdale
>
>

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9a. Re: Coaxing to gnaw bone
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Mon Oct 22, 2007 8:52 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Alicia!
YQW, and TYVM! ^_^

Looking forward to your updates!
TC
Giselle

Giselle, great tips, thanks so much! Will let you know how it goes.
>
> Alicia
>

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10. looking for information on raw feeding
Posted by: "ri_bulldogs" ri_bulldogs@yahoo.com ri_bulldogs
Date: Mon Oct 22, 2007 8:55 pm ((PDT))

We are interested in the raw diet, but are somewhat confused as to the
best way to approach it. Could anyone suggest some books articles
etc.? Our concerns mostly stem from what and how much to feed as well
as what to expect in the beginning.

We are currently dealing with skin and allergy issues in our bulldogs
which only seem to be clearing up with a fish and sweet potato kibble.
Would any skin issues we see on kibble follow with the raw diet also?
Or would it be like starting over again to figure out what the triggers
might be.

Any and all advice is appreciated.
Becky

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11a. Goose Bones
Posted by: "Pablo" pjhoebing@yahoo.com pjhoebing
Date: Mon Oct 22, 2007 10:18 pm ((PDT))

++++Mod note: please sign all emails +++++++++++++++++

Hello all,

Thanks for all the info on Raw feeding my Rat terrier and Yellow Lab
have taken to it wonderfully. They love dinner time now instead of
just staring at the kibble I used to give them.

My question is I've got access to a lot of goose meat which they
actually like, but the bones seem very sharp and hard and I was
wondering if I should be concerned to feed this to them. They haven't
had a problem yet but for now I've been taking the meat off the bone as
a precaution. Anyone else feed goose bones to their dogs. I checked
the archives and saw that people are feeding goose but couldn't find
and specific concerns on the bones.

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11b. Re: Goose Bones
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Mon Oct 22, 2007 11:28 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Pablo" <pjhoebing@...> wrote:
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> They haven't
> had a problem yet but for now I've been taking the meat off the
> bone as a precaution.

Taking the meat off the bone is not a precaution, leaving the meat
on is a precaution. Leave the meat on the bone. I don't know any
reason why goose bones are any sharper than any other. Most bones
are not nearly as sharp as they look. You can bet that the people
on here who are feeding goose are leaving the bones where they are
and feeding them too.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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11c. Re: Goose Bones
Posted by: "jennifer_hell" jenniferhell@web.de jennifer_hell
Date: Tue Oct 23, 2007 2:37 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "carnesbill" <carnesw@...> wrote:
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I don't know any
> reason why goose bones are any sharper than any other. Most bones
> are not nearly as sharp as they look.

Bill, I wrote about how I pierced my finger on a turkey needle shaped
bone in my dog's poop (when I picked it up with a plastic bag, it
pierced the plastic and my finger). I heard some people say that bones
get digested better when the dog has accustomed to raw. Is that true?
I have to admit I was a little shocked at the sharpness of the bone
and the fact that it went through the intestines sharp like that.
We're still in the first weeks of feeding raw. Mandy does marvelous,
and has no diarrhea (sp?) or anything. =)

Jennifer with Mandy

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12. Feeding Quail
Posted by: "cynthia iparraguirre" cyn7711@yahoo.com cyn7711
Date: Mon Oct 22, 2007 11:28 pm ((PDT))

I resently bought some quail, but now I am afraid to feed it to my lab. Is she too big to eat quail?
Cynthia flores

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------Original Message------
From: Giselle <megan.giselle@gmail.com>
To: <rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tue, Oct 23, 2007 01:08 AM
Subject: Re: [rawfeeding] Re: Were do you get Green Tripe

Your wish is my command!
The - Ta-Da! - Lis List!

*http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/139618*

*Post #139618*

> Where do you look for meat suppliers?

Permission to repost from Lis

2) I get many of my best deals in Asian/Oriental markets. I've also
heard that Hispanic and Caribbean markets have great variety and
prices too.

3) You may be able to join a barter group.

4) Google breeders (i.e. rabbit, goat, lamb, etc.) who are in your
geographic area. They may have culls they want to get rid of, or
lower prices overall.

5) Look up bulk suppliers and frozen bulk foods in your yellow pages.

6) If you have a Chinatown nearby, definitely make a visit.

7) Let your friends, relatives, and neighbors know you want any
freezer burn or old meat when they clean out their freezers, and tell
them to pass the word along.

8) If you belong to a church or social group, tell those members to
mention it to their friends and relatives as well.

9) See if there are any co-ops or meat buying groups near you. Check
on Yahoo, or Google to see.

10) Try craigslist - it's amazing what you can get for free or cheap.

11) And I get meat and fish all the time (for free) through
FreeCycle. Join multiple lists if there are a few close by.

12) Some Wal-marts and some Costcos and some Sam's Clubs have good
deals, but you may want to make sure it's not seasoned meat.

13) Definitely watch the flyers, and you can usually see the rest
of the flyers online (the ones that don't get delivered to your house,
but are only a short drive away).

16) A great tip I learned here a while back ? some restaurants
throw out things they don't use, like the organs that come inside
whole poultry, or raw meat that falls on the floor. See if they'll
save them for you. Find somebody who knows somebody who works there.

18) Some people contact taxidermists, who have no use for the meat.

19) Find people on this list from your vicinity, and ask them where
they get their meat deals. Join other raw feeding lists (there are
many), and ask if there are other raw feeders in your area.

21) Yes, roadkill works too (where it is legal). In some places you
can get your name on the list and get called when they have large
roadkill. (like deer)

22) You can raise your own meat/poultry if you have the room.

23) Post a message in Carnivore Feed-Supplier or CFS-Canada if you are
in North America:
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/CarnivoreFeed-Supplier/
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/CFS-Canada/

24) Speak to local farmers.

25) Also, look for heart, tongue, and gizzards, which count as meat (as
opposed to organ) in the world of raw feeding, but are often cheaper
than other muscle meats.

27) Check the internet. Some suppliers have affordable prices, even
after shipping costs are calculated.

Lis

Giselle

with Bea in New Jersey

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13. Feeding Eggs and Fish
Posted by: "amvilppu" amvilppu@hotmail.com amvilppu
Date: Tue Oct 23, 2007 2:36 am ((PDT))

Hi- I was just wondering what the general guidelines are for feeding eggs and fish. I know
about freezing Pacific Northwest (mainly salmon) fish before feeding and feeding eggs whole,
but is there any limitation on how often they should be fed and would they be different for
adult dogs versus puppies? We have access to high-quality fresh fish and are inclined to feed
it regularly but just want to make sure that is alright. I have read before that Herring
shouldn't be fed everyday, but I am not sure beyond that. Thanks for all the info.

Annaliisa, Drew, and Boxer pup Laila

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14. Diatomaceous-Earth
Posted by: "tinne" marc.gemis@pandora.be xianbowie
Date: Tue Oct 23, 2007 3:18 am ((PDT))

++++Mod note: pls take this discussion to raw chat:

http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/rawchat

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with great interest I read that this product is a perfect killer of worms and fleas.
I have been surfing the internet yesterday, but obviously it's only sold in the USA.
Is there anyone from Europe using this ? and if so can you buy it in Europe ? I guess the
costs to import it will be huge if ordered in the USA.
Many thanks,
Tinne

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