[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12186

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Raw Feeding--No Bone
From: Sandee Lee
1b. Re: Raw Feeding--No Bone
From: Giselle
1c. Re: Raw Feeding--No Bone
From: Denise Strother
1d. Re: Raw Feeding--No Bone
From: costrowski75

2a. Re: How do you deal w/ vets that blame raw diet
From: Sandee Lee
2b. Re: How do you deal w/ vets that blame raw diet
From: Denise Strother
2c. Re: How do you deal w/ vets that blame raw diet
From: susrob061174
2d. Re: How do you deal w/ vets that blame raw diet
From: costrowski75

3a. Re: rabbits
From: Sandee Lee
3b. Re: rabbits
From: Yasuko herron

4a. older dog having difficulty digesting bone
From: Kim
4b. Re: older dog having difficulty digesting bone
From: Yasuko herron

5.1. Re: Pork
From: costrowski75
5.2. Re: Pork
From: Renate
5.3. Re: Pork
From: costrowski75

6a. A Bone Question
From: totaly_his
6b. Re: A Bone Question
From: Yasuko herron
6c. Re: A Bone Question
From: doreenchui
6d. Re: A Bone Question
From: Yasuko herron

7a. Rats
From: susrob061174
7b. Re: Rats
From: Giselle
7c. Re: Rats
From: susrob061174

8. pig pancreas
From: Erica

9a. Re: 7 days without normal poop
From: Yasuko herron

10. Raw-feeder from China needs help£¡£¡£¡£¡10-week-old puppy no poo
From: cherpapazhou

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1a. Re: Raw Feeding--No Bone
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sun Oct 21, 2007 6:11 pm ((PDT))

Well, they need some bone in the diet, but it doesn't need to come from
beef. You can supply bone intake with chicken, turkey, pork, lamb, etc....

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "windmilldairy" <drwindmill@gmail.com>

I butchered a cow, and didn't save any bone. Most of the bone seemed too
hard for my dogs.
Can I get by feeding just the beef and no bone to my bulldog and rat
terrier?

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1b. Re: Raw Feeding--No Bone
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sun Oct 21, 2007 6:20 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Pat!
Short term, you can. But you might not like what comes out
the other end. : (

What about skin, fur, organs, fat? Or are you feeding just muscle meat?
That's not what whole prey model is all about, and its not an optimum diet.

Most beef bones are too dense, true. But depending on what size your dogs
are, they might get a good work out and tooth cleaning from 'flossing' with
a slab of rib bones or long cow legs. Bones don't have to be entirely
consumable to be useful. Just don't count the part not consumed as part of
the diet.

Variety of protein, organs and edible bone is an integral part of an optimum
diet. Feeding just beef, just muscle meat, can work temporarily. But, you
need to make a commitment to feed more than that over time.

Please, give us an overview of exactly what you are feeding. Tell us about
your dogs, and what your experience with and philosophy of raw feeding has
been, so we can give you specific advice.

TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

On 10/21/07, windmilldairy <drwindmill@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I butchered a cow, and didn't save any bone. Most of the bone seemed too
> hard for my dogs.
> Can I get by feeding just the beef and no bone to my bulldog and rat
> terrier?
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> Thanks
>
> Pat
>
>
>

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1c. Re: Raw Feeding--No Bone
Posted by: "Denise Strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Sun Oct 21, 2007 6:35 pm ((PDT))

Yes, you can feed just meat meals. Remember they should be getting
mostly meat with some bones and organs. Denise

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "windmilldairy" <drwindmill@...>
wrote:
I butchered a cow, and didn't save any bone. Most of the bone seemed
too hard for my dogs. Can I get by feeding just the beef and no bone
to my bulldog and rat terrier?
Thanks
Pat

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1d. Re: Raw Feeding--No Bone
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Oct 21, 2007 6:56 pm ((PDT))

"windmilldairy" <drwindmill@...> wrote:
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> I butchered a cow, and didn't save any bone. Most of the bone seemed
too hard for my dogs.
> Can I get by feeding just the beef and no bone to my bulldog and rat
terrier?
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No bone never, nope, can't do it.
No bone when you feed beef, certainly.
Just make sure you feed body parts that do include edible bone when you
are casting about for critter variety.

Beef bones are difficult to feed, even to bulldogs. Next time though,
I recommend you save the whole, uncut tail; the intact neck even after
you've stripped it of most of its meat; the intact rib slabs; the
brisket bone; the shanks with a goodly portion of meat left on; and the
feet. Perhaps the head. Most of these bones stand a chance of being
eaten to some extent; bones like feet and meaty shanks will offer big
fun even if no bone is ingested.

Chris O

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2a. Re: How do you deal w/ vets that blame raw diet
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sun Oct 21, 2007 6:17 pm ((PDT))

I've only been feeding raw for about 8 years, but I have never had a dog get
sick from meat. Salmonella is everywhere....in fact is a normal bacteria
found in the gut and stool of a high % of healthy dogs (and people)
regardless of what is fed. I wouldn't pay any attention to what others
say...in fact, I don't see any reason to tell anyone what I feed my dog.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Annaliisa Readman" <amvilppu@hotmail.com>

We have been feeding raw for about five weeks, since we adopted our boxer
puppy. We haven't had any problems. She is a happy healthy pup, who is
growing steadily and has a shiny coat. Our only issue is the horrified
response we get from people, including my in-laws, when they are informed
that we are feeding her raw (I have not been brave enough to tell my vet).
A dinner party guest the other night was a nurse at a veterinary clinic and
she said that they see dogs all the time who have gotten salmonella or other
illnesses from eating raw food. I certainly couldn't refute her first-hand
experience, but I assured her that we feed our dog high-quality meat and
then explained how dogs are equipped to digest raw meat. Has anyone had
experience with their dogs getting sick from their meat? Just curious.

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2b. Re: How do you deal w/ vets that blame raw diet
Posted by: "Denise Strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Sun Oct 21, 2007 6:37 pm ((PDT))

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Hi Annaliisa and Crew,
I have 3 rawfed dogs, 2 Chihuahuas and a Pitbull. I might just be the
Queen of feeding questionable meat. I have fed meat that I had to hold
my breath to deal with it. If the dog will eat it, I let it, and my
dogs have eaten some awfully smelly meat. There have been times I
stood there watching a dog eat some disgusting smelling stuff and
thought I was buying myself an all night cleaning up dog
vomit/diarrhea party. But so far I've never had a problem with it.
Knock on wood. Denise

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Annaliisa Readman <amvilppu@...>
wrote:
We have been feeding raw for about five weeks, since we adopted our
boxer puppy. We haven't had any problems. She is a happy healthy pup,
who is growing steadily and has a shiny coat. Our only issue is the
horrified response we get from people, including my in-laws, when they
are informed that we are feeding her raw (I have not been brave enough
to tell my vet). A dinner party guest the other night was a nurse at
a veterinary clinic and she said that they see dogs all the time who
have gotten salmonella or other illnesses from eating raw food. I
certainly couldn't refute her first-hand experience, but I assured her
that we feed our dog high-quality meat and then explained how dogs are
equipped to digest raw meat. Has anyone had experience with their
dogs getting sick from their meat? Just curious.
>Annaliisa, Drew and puppy Laila

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2c. Re: How do you deal w/ vets that blame raw diet
Posted by: "susrob061174" susrob061174@yahoo.com susrob061174
Date: Sun Oct 21, 2007 7:07 pm ((PDT))

Annaliisa, Drew and puppy Laila

<<<A dinner party guest the other night was a nurse at a veterinary
clinic and she said that they see dogs all the time who have gotten
salmonella or other illnesses from eating raw food. >>>

There is a key point in that response that she gave you " from
eating raw food". There is a differience in eating raw and eating a
raw diet. Thats the reason why k***** and raw dont mix. It takes so
much long for ***** to digest and then when the dog come behide and
eats raw its increasing the chance of getting sick.

<<< Has anyone had experience with their dogs getting sick from
their meat? Just curious.>>>

Been doing it since 1998, havent had any problems

<<<<Our only issue is the horrified response we get from people,
including my in-laws, when they are informed that we are feeding her
raw (I have not been brave enough to tell my vet).>>>

I had this problem at first with about 76 members in my family when
the word spread, no one visit, but that how I like it, put it takes
time, time will only tell. Its hard to confense someone what is
right and they already have there mind set before you even have a
chance to get your .02 cents in, I normally tell them she is my dog
and I believe I know best.
Before my vet asked me what I was feeding my Danes. He was sooo
impressed with coat, teeth and built, afterwards he didnt say much,
just looked at them. After five years, he still cant believe their
conditions. He performed blood works and all heath testing and
commented me that Im was still doing a great job. Just got to get a
vet that understands and they are out there. But for the note, I
really wouldnt say anything unless he/she ask what you are feeding.
Life is to short to waste energy on getting upset on ignorance. Good
Luck!!!!

Susanne, Courtney & the Dane Gang (Zoe, Wilson, Annie & the rescues)
http://www.streborsgreatdanes.com/Raw101.html

Life is grand when you love a Dane? Have you licked your Dane
today? :P

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2d. Re: How do you deal w/ vets that blame raw diet
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Oct 21, 2007 7:18 pm ((PDT))

Annaliisa Readman <amvilppu@...> wrote:
Has anyone had experience with their dogs getting sick from their
meat? Just curious.
*****
Please remember to change the subject line when you change topics.

A dog can "get sick from" its meat without salmonella or e.coli being
at fault. A dog can "get sick" from overeating, from eating too
quickly, from eating too much fat, from simply eating too much new
stuff. Dogs can get "sick" from pancreatitis; from impacted bones
(rarely); from things that have absolutely nothing to do with raw
meat.

And also it's necessary to determine what "get sick from" means.
Vomiting is not necessary sick behavior. Neither are loose stools,
although clinical diarrhea might indicate bacteria overgrowth.
Again, the question of source remains.

Since kibble is not sterile and kibblefed dogs shed bacteria as much
as if not more than rawfed dogs, fecal samples would also be
unreliable proof. I'd be inclined indeed to question her statement.
Suspicions are rife and a dime a dozen, but the proof--how does one
conclusively relate salmonella poisoning to raw food?

That said, I assume neither my dogs nor my cat have hever suffered
from salmonella or e.coil overgrowth at all, much less from eating
raw meat.
Chris O

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3a. Re: rabbits
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sun Oct 21, 2007 6:21 pm ((PDT))

Rabbits are a great food if your dog will eat them...whole is best, cut up
is fine, wouldn't grind. What else are you feeding?

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "lrosem3" <lrosem3@yahoo.com>

are rabbits a good source to feed to my dogs? what is the best
way,,,whole,or cut up, or
maybe even gound up?

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3b. Re: rabbits
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sun Oct 21, 2007 7:07 pm ((PDT))

> are rabbits a good source to feed to my dogs?

Giving variety of meats is good way to feed. Rabbit is good to feed.Get a whole rabbit and cut up just like chicken,and feed.

Only prob I had was..my dog was eating with so disgusting face first,and after some tries,she went to strike not to eat therabbit and just lay on side on the mat and never touch the meat,never come closer....

I think rabbit is hit or miss kind of meat and,mine did not like it.

Since she eats other various kinds of meat so,I decided to pull the menu out...and I gave the meat to other fellow rawfeeder.

I think that meat in form of ground is no better than chunk of meat. Don't ground the meat or do not get the meat ground up.

Dog never get fun with food...

When you get rabbit,you can get it with fur still on or skinned too.

If you live in east coast side,maybe hare today in PA will give you wide choice ofrabbit meat and reasonable shipping fee.

PA to VA where I live,it took us about 2 days.

yassy

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4a. older dog having difficulty digesting bone
Posted by: "Kim" two-pups@comcast.net jedikim8
Date: Sun Oct 21, 2007 6:34 pm ((PDT))

Hi everyone,

I've been feeding raw for 4 1/2 years thanks to this group. Lately my
oldest dog (9 1/2 y.o. beagle mix) has been throwing up everytime she
has a meal with bones in it. She's been doing this for a over a year
with chicken legs (seems she can't digest the knobby end), so I
stopped giving her legs and stuck to other parts of the chicken. In
the past 2-3 weeks, it appears she is having difficulty digesting ANY
chicken bones. I also gave her pork neckbones recently, which she
never had trouble with, but she threw up some undigested parts of
that, too.

I know she needs bone for the calcium, etc, but I don't want the poor
girl throwing up everytime she has bone.

Is this common in older dogs? Does anyone have any suggestions? For
exaple, should I stop giving her bone and add supplements?

Thanks for any thoughts/suggestions!
Kim

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4b. Re: older dog having difficulty digesting bone
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sun Oct 21, 2007 7:20 pm ((PDT))

>Does anyone have any suggestions?

Hi,Kim.I am no expert nor I do not have an older dog so,I am suggesting from my thoughts.

But,if digesting bone was one hard job for your dog,do you think it makes any better if you crack the bone a bit with hummer?

Or..give less bone than before maybe help?

No matter how you do,if any bones comes right back out,then,why not giving Egg shell(calcium) instead of bone? Can't give variety of bone this way,but at least,your dog can get calcium that bone can give to dogs.

Dry the Egg shell after washing,and bake at 300F 10 minutes(thisremoves mineral-oil coating on shell sometimes added to keep Eggs from drrying out,and this also helps to make fine powder and brittle enough),and grind it.1 Egg shell makes about 1tsp of shell powder. that suppsedly about 1800milligrams of calcium in it.

Another calcium source other than bone itself...is bone meal but I do not recommend that. sometimes it contains lead in it and not good for dogs.

Other calcium source..... umm, Yogurt,cottage cheese etc,but it should not be big part of diet,and too much can cause loose poo.Maybe you could give as treats to give even a bit of calcium adding to Eggshell if you desire.

Those are the all thoughts I have on this topic but I hope others that have older dogs would response to you.

Good luck,

yassy

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5.1. Re: Pork
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Oct 21, 2007 6:47 pm ((PDT))

"rocketblasther" <jforbes05@...> wrote:
> Quick question, Is pork shoulder roast and pork butt the same thing?
*****
I'm certain to butchers they are as different as night and day. To us
rawfeeders and our dogs, they might as well be the same thing.
Chris O

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5.2. Re: Pork
Posted by: "Renate" renate.tideswell@gmail.com tideswell_renate
Date: Sun Oct 21, 2007 7:07 pm ((PDT))

The shoulder roast is from the top of the front legs, and the butt is from
the top of the back legs. Presumably the legs are all in synch, so as far
as toughness or tenderness, go, I think its pretty well the same LOL
Renate

On 10/21/07, costrowski75 <Chriso75@aol.com> wrote:
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> "rocketblasther" <jforbes05@...> wrote:
> > Quick question, Is pork shoulder roast and pork butt the same thing?
> *****
>
ore I love my Shih Tzu'

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5.3. Re: Pork
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Oct 21, 2007 7:30 pm ((PDT))

Renate <renate.tideswell@...> wrote:
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> The shoulder roast is from the top of the front legs, and the butt
is from
> the top of the back legs.
*****
This is not how I understand it. It's all shoulder material, I
believe. Here's a link to the Cook's Thesaurus:
http://www.sonic.net/~alden/MeatPorkShoulder.html

"pork shoulder = pork shoulder butt = pork blade shoulder Meat
from this section is relatively fatty, which makes for juicy, tender,
and flavorful roasts as well as clogged arteries."

And this, from the Virtual Weber Bullet:
http://www.virtualweberbullet.com/porkbuttselect.html

"Pork Butt Defined

Despite the name, pork butt does not come from the rear end of the
hog--it is cut from the shoulder.

The pork shoulder weighs 12-18 pounds and consists of two portions:
the butt, which is the upper portion of the shoulder, and the picnic,
which is the lower portion.

The whole pork butt is a rectangular roast weighing 6-10 pounds and
containing a portion of the shoulder blade bone. It is sold bone-in
or boneless; if boneless, a whole roast may be cut into half portions.

The whole picnic weighs 6-9 pounds. It contains a portion of the
foreleg and is usually sold with some skin attached. The picnic is
sometimes cut into an upper arm portion (the meatier portion, usually
sold skinless) and the lower foreleg portion (containing more bone,
skin, and connective tissue)."

HTH,
Chris O

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6a. A Bone Question
Posted by: "totaly_his" totaly_his@yahoo.com totaly_his
Date: Sun Oct 21, 2007 7:07 pm ((PDT))

I am still 6 days in to a raw-feeding diet for my dog. Could someone
tell me what a "weight-bearing" bone is? I think it would be legs of
all animals but what other body parts would that be....maybe thighs?
And I know that I have read that a knuckle bone is not to be given
because it can break a dogs tooth. Where is a knuckle bone found so
that I don't give it. Thank you. Jackie

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6b. Re: A Bone Question
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sun Oct 21, 2007 7:20 pm ((PDT))

>tell me what a "weight-bearing" bone is?

Hi. That means,leg part from big animals;cows. Example, knuckle bone,feumer bone,marrow bones.

I do not give leg part of 4 legged animals except pig.Pig feet is ok.dog can eat it.

I do not give shank bone(lamb shank etc) because I hear it shard sharp.

Bone that I give from 4 legged animals are ribs,necks,tails plus pig feet.

tail means..such as Ox tail(not the one you find at grocery cutted into 1 inch chunk but the one you ask the meat guy at grocery store andask whole).

Poultry bones are I think no threat to dogs teeth.Chicken does not weigh asmuch as cow does:-P

Knuckle bone,feumer bone,marrow bones are usually bare naked bone andyou can find it at grocery store meat area with relatively cheap price but i do not buy it.

yassy

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6c. Re: A Bone Question
Posted by: "doreenchui" doreenchui@yeos.com doreenchui
Date: Sun Oct 21, 2007 7:37 pm ((PDT))

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is chicken feet considered as bones?
Doreen

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6d. Re: A Bone Question
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sun Oct 21, 2007 8:19 pm ((PDT))

>is chicken feet considered as bones?

Hi.I think so. It is good source of natural glucosamin(good for arthristis dog),but i do not give my dog too often due it has 60% plus fat in one feet.

I give probably 2 per week in average.

yassy

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7a. Rats
Posted by: "susrob061174" susrob061174@yahoo.com susrob061174
Date: Sun Oct 21, 2007 7:07 pm ((PDT))

Hi Guys,

I have introduced a wide variety of meat to my dogs. I was thinking
since I already raise a bit for them now, what about RATS? I was
thinking of the hairless Rats since they cant get fleas LOL, they get
pretty big. Has anyone tried rats before?

Thanks,
Susanne, Courtney & the Dane Gang(Zoe, Wilson, Annie & the Rescues)

Life is grand when you love a Dane. Have you licked your Dane today?:P

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7b. Re: Rats
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sun Oct 21, 2007 7:39 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Susanne!
A question; How do you know that hairless rats don't get
fleas?

And, what other criteria would you use to decide on a rat variety to raise
for prey for your dogs?

TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

Hi Guys,
>
> I have introduced a wide variety of meat to my dogs. I was thinking
> since I already raise a bit for them now, what about RATS? I was
> thinking of the hairless Rats since they cant get fleas LOL, they get
> pretty big. Has anyone tried rats before?
>
> Thanks,
> Susanne, Courtney & the Dane Gang(Zoe, Wilson, Annie & the Rescues)
>
> Life is grand when you love a Dane. Have you licked your Dane today?:P
>
>
>

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7c. Re: Rats
Posted by: "susrob061174" susrob061174@yahoo.com susrob061174
Date: Sun Oct 21, 2007 8:20 pm ((PDT))

TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

>>A question; How do you know that hairless rats don't get
fleas?>>>

I don't know, can fleas be hairless too :)

<<<And, what other criteria would you use to decide on a rat variety
to raise for prey for your dogs?>>>

Well, rats are so easy to raise and produce in mass, it wouldnt be a
major meat in their diet. When I do some trapping I normally get
wood rats and they have fleas. I hate the idea of fleas even coming
or getting close to my house, so trying to find more sources of
rodents. We already get squirrel and rabbit. Any suggestions??

I had a young pup or pups (dont know who got it) last summer that
caught a rat out in the yard. It seemed that they played with a bit
before eating it. Well, short story, I got a really BIG flea
problem after that. Had to wash 10 pups and 2 adults, it takes half
the day and wash once a weeks until the problems was over. Not fun
at all. Sprayed the house and the whole yard and they couldnt come
in the house for awhile.

Thanks,
Susanne, Courtney & the Dane Gang(Zoe, Wilson, Annie & the Rescues)

Life is grand when you love a Dane. Have you licked your Dane
today?:P

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8. pig pancreas
Posted by: "Erica" stary_eyed_angel@yahoo.com stary_eyed_angel
Date: Sun Oct 21, 2007 7:20 pm ((PDT))

How much pig pancreas would a 45 lb dog get to aid digestion? I'm
trying to find out for a friend. Her dog's TLI keeps coming back
normal but she's still not digesting her food well and is starving no
matter how much she eats. We want to try pig pancreas for her but
need to know about how much she should get daily to aid digestion.
Thanks.

Erica L Canaday

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9a. Re: 7 days without normal poop
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sun Oct 21, 2007 7:36 pm ((PDT))

>He weighs 65#. I figure a leg quarter is just under a pound. Do you
think I should drop down to one a day?
>

Hi.If you feed 2% daily intake,you feed 1.25lb

if you feed 3%,2lb a day.

yassy

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10. Raw-feeder from China needs help£¡£¡£¡£¡10-week-old puppy no poo
Posted by: "cherpapazhou" cherpapazhou@yahoo.com cherpapazhou
Date: Sun Oct 21, 2007 9:29 pm ((PDT))

Hey, there! This is Cher from Mainland China. I have been lurking for
a while, but I love this list and enjoy very much reading your posts.
I became a member of raw-feeders early this year and successfully
switched my Pom and Golden to raw. They are doing great!

Ten days ago, we had a new member ¨C a puppy, which I don¡¯t know
exactly how old, but I guess two months old since he has 28 baby teeth
now. I have been feeding raw chicken, beef, duck and pork to him since
the second day. The little guy loves his raw diet so much that he sits
and waits every time I go into the kitchen.

The problem is that his poo seems abnormal ¨C I mean, too little. And
it seems to me his belly is kind of swelling ¨C don¡¯t know how a
puppy¡¯s belly looks like. The last time he pooed was last Friday. So
it¡¯s been nearly three days he hasn¡¯t had any bowel movement. I fed
him three times a day in the first four days and four times a day in
the past few days coz he seems always hungry. However, the more I
feed, the less he poos! Other than that, he looks fine, as playful as
usual.

How come? Should I take him to the vet? But I would rather not coz I
know the minute I tell the vet I feed him raw, the vet will definitely
point his finger to raw!

Any input would be appreciated!Hope you guy can understand my Chinglish!

Cher
A mother of three four-legged kids from China

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