[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12201

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: New with Questions
From: carnesbill
1b. Re: New with Questions
From: Yasuko herron
1c. Re: New with Questions
From: Sandee Lee

2a. Re: Hi everyone!
From: D. Rajska
2b. Re: Hi everyone!
From: katkellm

3a. Re: Egg questions;which type of Eggs would you choose to feed if you
From: Yasuko herron
3b. Re: Egg questions;which type of Eggs would you choose to feed if you
From: Casey Post
3c. Re: Egg questions;which type of Eggs would you choose to feed if you
From: ginny wilken

4. Happy 8th Birthday, Sugar Ray!
From: Tammy Chamberlain

5a. Re: Now what ? (repeating the question due to lack of response)
From: carnesbill
5b. Re: Now what ? (repeating the question due to lack of response)
From: Sheryl Edelen
5c. Re: Now what ? (repeating the question due to lack of response)
From: bluegracepwd
5d. Re: Now what ? (repeating the question due to lack of response)
From: ginny wilken

6a. Re: Another Organ Meat Question
From: costrowski75
6b. Re: Another Organ Meat Question
From: katkellm
6c. Re: Another Organ Meat Question
From: LA Dyver
6d. Re: Another Organ Meat Question
From: LA Dyver

7a. Re: Raw vs. Kibble
From: costrowski75

8a. Re: Feeding Lamb
From: costrowski75
8b. Re: Feeding Lamb
From: Laurie Swanson

9a. Re: was Rats - now Diotomaceous Earth
From: linoleum5017

10a. Chicken Sale
From: T Smith

11. Brining home new puppy...
From: D. Rajska

12. Any word on the 5 m/o doxie?
From: woofwoofgrrl

13. Specific feeding questions... Lots of them....
From: D. Rajska

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1a. Re: New with Questions
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:15 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "sherri_cappabianca"
<sherri_cappabianca@...> wrote:
>
> In looking at raw diets, I'm having an
> issue with the amount of antibiotics, hormones, and other junk
> injected, fed, etc. to our human feed supply. Does this concern
> anyone else?

I'm sure there will be some that will answer you because it bothers
them but I never give it a second thought. I eat the same meat my
dogs do and if its good enough for me, its good enough for them.

> I did manage to find a
> couple of local organic ranchers, but don't know yet how expensive
> it will be to buy from them.

I don't think it's worth the extra money you spend. "Organic" is
kind of a misunderstood term anyway. Organic stuff still contains a
lot of the stuff you are trying to avoid.

> - He states that "while a prey diet is closer to the natural diet,
> it has the disadvantage of being too rich for inactive animals
> (inactive compared with wolves who hunt for extended periods)".

Thats baloney. You see, to write a book about raw feeding you have
to come up with an angle. If you write a book that says "Feed raw
meat, bones and organs from a variety of animals. Feed mostly meat,
some bone and some organs. Feed a variety of animal parts from a
variety of animals", you couldn't sell many copies. You must throw
in other stuff to make your book marketable.

> - He also discusses the high chemical content in meat and
> bones due
> to environmental contamination which he states is still present to
> some degree in organic meat and bones.

He is right. The contaminants are contained in organic meat and
bones also. The problem is we are stuck with the food we are stuck
with. It is what we have to eat. I don't think the problem is
anywhere nearly as serious as he would like us to believe. Remember
about marketing books.

> - Then he goes on to talk about bones and the fact that lead is
> deposited in bones and doesn't break down. He talks about the
> excessive amount of lead in the bones of US cattle and therefore
> human grade bone meal can't be derived from these cows.

You shouldn't feed bone meal anyway. There is no need for it in a
proper prey model raw diet.

> His solution is (in addition to feeding organic wherever possible)
> to add grains, veges and fruits, I think because he believes
> that by
> reducing the amount of meat fed, it will reduce the risks stated
> above.

Well, his solution sucks. Again, he has to sell books. I could
write everything you need to know about prey model feeding in a on
the front and back on one piece of paper. Takes more words than
that to write a book. You got to come up with an angle.

> I just want to do the right thing for my new pup, perhaps I'm over
> thinking it. Any advice?

Yes, despite what the book says, look to nature. What would your
dog eat if left to his own devices out in nature where there are no
humans to feed him and no trash cans? He would eat the meat, bones
and organs of any animal he could catch and kill. He would NOT eat
rice, tomatoes, zuchinni, lettuce, potatoes or any other veggies.
Millions of years of evolution have proved nature has it right.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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1b. Re: New with Questions
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:16 pm ((PDT))

>In looking at raw diets, I'm having an
>issue with the amount of antibiotics, hormones, and other junk
>injected, fed, etc. to our human feed supply.

Next time when you go to grocerystore,take a look at whole poultry,say chicken,and at least at my grocery store,it says no antibiotic,no hormon,etc on package.

And go to Egg section and, look for "Eggland's best Egg" that I buy. The Egg is little higher than normal Egg but it tastes good (delivered within 24hr to 48hr to store the company says,andthey test their Eggs periodically andmakesure the Eggs are good),and they have organic Egg too. THey have more omega 3 in it,more Vitamin E in it and lower cholestrol than normal Egg.. and I really like their Egg.

What you have to be careful about is, IF you decided to pick up poultry parts like split chicken breast etc then,there is more chance you find it that say "up to 15%,retained broth" or saline solution etc so, try get minimum processed products from grocerystore.

If you try to get say organic chicken, if I remember correctly,it cost you around 23 dollars per bird.And Turkey is around 54 dollars or something I thought..

As for 4 legged animals, if you buy meat from the grocery store,most likely fed grain but, I cannot afford to buy all grassfed which is better for health and has more omega 3 than grain fed animals,and grassfed animals are no anti biotic,no hormon added.

>His solution is (in addition to feeding organic wherever possible)
>to add grains, veges and fruits, I think because he believes that by
>reducing the amount of meat fed, it will reduce the risks stated
>above.

I have read that book but no, I don't think so.

He use grain because he thinks grain is economical way to provide carb and mineral,vitamis and,he thinks grain has blanced amino acid is more complete.

And he saysthat legumes (beans) provide more protin at less cost and allow you to reduce meat consumption. but you can feed protin from animal source.

However,I think he is big on grain.

To make 9 cups worth of meal,he use 3 cups grain,2 Egg,2lb meat(4cups),1tbs veggie with other bunch of supplements.

He is heavy on grain and veggie he uses is tbs worth or if most 1/4 cups,not as much as grain he uses. As for fruits,he states that occasional feeding,so,his recipe does not contain fruits.

Well,I do like his remedy,excersise part in that book,but not diet...

'cause he adds many supplements to recipe and heavy on grain which gives sugar in body and feed cancer cells,and sometimes,grain or starchy veggies gives aggreviation to arthritis dog.

Dog diet should be based on protin and fat and if dog likes,as treat amount,you can give tiny bit of veggies but not in meal. Fruit is very sweet and not good to givedaily too.So should be limitted to ocasional.

Some veggies like night shade family ; Eggplant,potatoes,tomatoes,aggreviate arthritis as well,and some veggies like green beans interfere calcium absorption,and spinach... it surpress thyroid function if fed too much.Good thing about veggie if I can find..it will be just about chrolophill (cancer fighting property) that meat source does not suply,and only veggie has it.But I read that lawn grass has it,and I do not worry too much about not giving chrollophil at all.Dog can get from lawn grass or from occasional treat if you feed tiny veggie,and if you want to givethat chrollophil.

If I spend hours making vegitable mix? No,I wouldn't. It is not main diet of dogs and,I concentrate on meat source which they digest better.

Anyway, what you need to feed when your puppy comes to you,try feed raw meat,raworgan and bone,and maybe as treat,fruit or veggiesif he/she liked it,but not as meal.

No grains..It does no good to your dog. And vegitable is having big amount of vitamin A (sweet potatoes have tonz of vitamin A for example )that is stored in body.. I don't feel comfortable feeding veggies constantly along with A-rich liver and gives tonz of vitamin A to my dog...

If I give veggies, it is occasional and not much.She likes beets..Wiered dog:-P

Her tongue was little pinkish oneday.

yassy

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1c. Re: New with Questions
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:17 pm ((PDT))

Sherri,

I wouldn't put much faith in Pitcairn's feeding recommendations. He thinks
dogs require carbohydrates, recommends feeding grains for the health of the
planet rather than the health of our pets...and "too rich"? What does that
mean? Dogs are carnivores. They require meat, bones and organs. Their
species appropriate diet is not too rich and has nothing to do with activity
level. I don't know what he is thinking.....possibly too much protein
(which a raw diet isn't)?

I would look to nature and feed accordingly....lots of meat, a little edible
bone and some organs. It's just that simple.

There is no benefit to reducing meat....none! Organic means nothing when it
refers to inappropriate ingredients for a carnivore (grains, fruits,
veggies).

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "sherri_cappabianca" <sherri_cappabianca@yahoo.com>

The other questions I have concern Pitcairn's book. He seems quite
knowledgeable, he's been doing it for a long time, and he advocates
feeding raw, but he makes some points about a prey diet that I would
like to have group members' opinions on.

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2a. Re: Hi everyone!
Posted by: "D. Rajska" d.rajska@gmail.com deerajska
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:16 pm ((PDT))

Hi,

Okay, I just read all the old posts on switching a puppy to raw, and
although I want to say thank you for referring me to the information - now
I'm slightly smarter and totally confused and freaking out!!!

So are you guys saying that all the advice about feeding only chicken for
two weeks does not apply to puppies? So I should give him tonnes of variety
right from the get go, and he won't get sick?

I know I'm totally hyperventilating, and my little boy isn't actually coming
home for almost three more weeks, but... Yikes!!! Help!!! I want to
introduce my baby to as much wonderful nutritious variety as I can, but I
don't want to make him sick!!!

I know, I know... If I'm designing his menu three weeks before the kid even
comes home I need to get a life... But he's gorgeous, and tiny, and counting
on me to do this right... And this is the first time I've ever fed raw, or
been the sole guardian of a baby pup... Thanks in advance for talking me
down from my little anxiety tree....

Dee, Frankie's completely crazy, overprotective and neurotic mommy....

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2b. Re: Hi everyone!
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:06 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "D. Rajska" <d.rajska@...> wrote
> Dee, Frankie's completely crazy, overprotective and neurotic mommy....

Hi Dee,
Hey, if you gotta be crazy and neurotic now is the time to do it.:) By
the time your new one gets home, you will have learned enough to
safely climb down the anxiety tree and march right up to the plate and
offer your new puppy his first real meal. The archives are full of
puppy info, so keep reading and ask questions as you go. Puppies
don't seem to need the same slow intro as older dogs, so while i
wouldn't go crazy, you will definitely be able to feed more variety at
a much quicker pace. Also, please post pictures when Frankie comes
home. Bet you are counting the days, KathyM

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3a. Re: Egg questions;which type of Eggs would you choose to feed if you
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:47 pm ((PDT))

>if you cannot get locally-raised pastured eggs, I would go with either the cage free or organic choices -

thanks for your response. I once have bought Cage-free Egg8that is brown Egg),and when I fed palette,even though same company Egg,she could not torelate very well and had loose stool and shedoes great on whitecarton all natural Egg(caged).

I do not know what making her change in torelence but do you think if I cook fully andthen less and less just like you do for meat,do you think she get adjusted??

I do not mind eating cage free Egg.Just for her intorelence,we backed to white carton white Egg of theirs that she does good on.

Any suggestions?

yassy

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3b. Re: Egg questions;which type of Eggs would you choose to feed if you
Posted by: "Casey Post" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:36 pm ((PDT))

> thanks for your response. I once have bought Cage-free Egg8that is brown
> Egg),and when I fed palette,even though same company Egg,she could not
> torelate very well and had loose stool and shedoes great on whitecarton
> all natural Egg(caged).

Yassy, I have no idea why Palette would do better on one kind of egg over
the other, but you know your dog best, so you go with what works.

>
> I do not know what making her change in torelence but do you think if I
> cook fully andthen less and less just like you do for meat,do you think
> she get adjusted??

I have no idea! There's no real nutritional advantage to the brown
eggs...it's just the not supporting the caged birds (white eggs) that gives
them an edge in my mind.

Casey

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3c. Re: Egg questions;which type of Eggs would you choose to feed if you
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:21 pm ((PDT))

On Oct 24, 2007, at 10:39 PM, Casey Post wrote:

>>
>> I do not know what making her change in torelence but do you
>> think if I
>> cook fully andthen less and less just like you do for meat,do you
>> think
>> she get adjusted??
>
> I have no idea! There's no real nutritional advantage to the brown
> eggs...it's just the not supporting the caged birds (white eggs)
> that gives
> them an edge in my mind.
>
> Casey

I just wanted to point out that cooked egg protein is very difficult
to digest, and a common allergen. I would not feed cooked egg to a
dog as any sort of regular thing. Perhaps try beating the raw egg and
mixing it or pouring it over some other item she likes. It is very
difficult to imagine that two differently raised eggs - still
inferior, as Chris pointed out - would by themselves cause a
consistently different response.

ginny and Tomo

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4. Happy 8th Birthday, Sugar Ray!
Posted by: "Tammy Chamberlain" tamgarboxers@telus.net sugerray50
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:48 pm ((PDT))

8 candles on his birthday cake! Ok - 8 candles on his tripe cake!
Sugar Ray has been rawfed now for 6 years...his teeth are white like a
pups...people constantly are amazed that he's 8 and not 2/3! Not to
mention, he's so healthy, his coat his shiny and silky ... ok ...maybe
not right now since we're still building the house and the dirt
abounds...but if we could keep his coat clean, it would be shiny &
silky!!!! Right now, he loves to roll over and rub his back right into
the dirt....but, hey, he's 8...he can!

CH Kourika Happy Returns to Hillroy (UKKC, AKC, CKC reg) (aka, Sugar Ray)

Happy Birthday my dear boy! We're loving every minute with you!

Tammy Chamberlain
TamGar Boxers Reg'd
Shawnigan Lake, BC

http://www.tamgarboxers.com
HOLTER RENTAL AVAILABLE

Dedicated breeders - raising happy, healthy, loving Boxers of Quality

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5a. Re: Now what ? (repeating the question due to lack of response)
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:53 pm ((PDT))

Monica,
I didn't answer you because I don't know the answer to your
questions or have any suggestions to your dogs problems. As I see
it, you think your dog had pancreatitis months ago caused by some
mysterious disease. I don't know what tests confirmed the
pancreatitis. Often vets will diagnose it as a last resort.

Regardless if he had pandreatitis or not, he is not digesting he
food properly even now and none of us can know why. None of us
could possibly know why he had such a reaction to a tiny piece of
liver. I doubt any of us has gone long term without feeding liver
so no one knows what the outcome of that would be. I also doubt if
any of us has fed a diet of chicken and turkey only. Again, we
don't know what the long term consequences would be.

I do know that Tom Lonsdale said when he had a practice he had some
clients who fed nothing but chicken backs and chicken frames and
their dogs appeared perfectly healthy. So, the problem is, no one
knows long term what is going to happen to your dog if he is fed as
you feed him now. I suspect he will be as healthy as he is now.
There is definately something that is not working correctly in his
digestive system but that is a problem for a vet to answer, not me
or any of us here.

If it were my dog, I would feed him what he can tolerate and
occasionally try tiny bits of other things just to see how he
reacts. I would not go back to kibble.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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5b. Re: Now what ? (repeating the question due to lack of response)
Posted by: "Sheryl Edelen" sophiiblu@yahoo.com sophiiblu
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:05 pm ((PDT))

Hi,

I'm really sorry to hear of your dog's pain. I would be frantic if the same thing were happening to my girls. I've only been raw-feeding for a year and don't have the expertise to offer an opinion, but just wanted to offer my encouragement, for whatever that's worth.

You and your dog will be in my family's prayers,

Sheryl

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5c. Re: Now what ? (repeating the question due to lack of response)
Posted by: "bluegracepwd" janea@tpg.com.au bluegracepwd
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:10 pm ((PDT))

Hi Monica,

I'm guessing I'm like the vast majority of people on the list, and
can offer the following to why your question wasn't answered:

1. missed the question, or
2. didn't know an answer

Remember, it's highly unlikely that you'd be deliberately ignored
(and I say that as being the list owner).

Yes I missed this question the first time you asked, but also now
reading the email properly, I don't know the answer.

But this is not something that is normal. It does appear to be an
abnormal function, and it does need further investigation.

It almost looks to me like IBD or colitis - but I have personal
experience with neither.

I'd suggest a vet visit asap, and to one that is going to support a
raw diet.

- Jane

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5d. Re: Now what ? (repeating the question due to lack of response)
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:14 pm ((PDT))

On Oct 24, 2007, at 7:41 PM, Monica wrote:

>
> So many of you take such a high-brow, sarcastic tone with newbies
> trying to do right by their dog by EVEN seeking information on
> rawfeeding while so many here are very good at making many of them
> feel stupid. Where are the opinions when a long time (4yr poster)
> needs help?

I think your dog has chronic digestive disorders as part of his
systemic chronic disease, caused by various insults such as the ill
health of his progenitors, any vaccines of other drugs he has
received, or any other physical or psychological assaults. The
distemper vaccine, for instance, can predispose a dog to sensitive
digestion, chronic diarrhea, vomiting, intolerance, allergic
reactions, etc.

The way resolve his issues lies in classical homeopathy, in the hands
of an excellent practitioner. His whole governing life force needs
some help to improve his function.

That's what I think, that's what I thought the first time I read your
post, but sometimes I just don't feel that's the answer folks are
seeking. But there you have it.

I guess I didn't want to make you feel stupid.

ginny and Tomo

All stunts performed without a net!

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6a. Re: Another Organ Meat Question
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:16 pm ((PDT))

"Sonja" <ladyver@...> wrote:
the ducks I get are really boney. Would it be OK to supplement the
boney duck with duck hearts?
*****
Of course.

I know that hearts are considered meat, but I wasn't sure if it
would be appropriate to feed a duck back and "pad" it with the hearts.
*****
It's fine. I would always recommend adding meat to a meal that would
otherwise be too bony. Are you getting whole ducks or carcasses?

I've been feeding her like this for the past week with no ill
effects, but wanted to make sure that frequent heart-heavy meals this
month wouldn't affect her health.
*****
I would have a hard time calling added duck heart "heavy". What you
got that's heavy is a bony duck. Including some duck heart makes it
better, not worse. If you produce loose stools, that's not
necessarily a sign of a senstive stomach, but rather--simply--too
much food.
Chris O

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6b. Re: Another Organ Meat Question
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:06 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "D. Rajska" <d.rajska@...> wrote:
> you said heart is easier to digest?
> In comparison to liver? Or other meatymeats?

Hi Dee,
Heart is considered muscle meat from a nutritional perspective and is
not fed as an organ meal. Since it is one of the internal organs-and
is often viewed as having the squidgy ick factor- it tends to get
lumped with liver in terms of causing loose stools. So, what i meant
is that in terms of the inners of critters it is easier. It is
definitely richer than a flesh meat and so it would take more raw food
experience for a dog to digest without loose stools than, for example,
a pork roast. For some reason hearts tend to be the cheapest part-
cost wise- of lamb or beef or goat and so they give me the opportunity
to feed some critters that i might not be able to afford to feed
otherwise. KathyM

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6c. Re: Another Organ Meat Question
Posted by: "LA Dyver" ladyver@sbcglobal.net lonepalm77
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:06 pm ((PDT))

Thank you for the replies. I've been feeding whole duck, not carcasses. The duck I've been getting seems more bony to me than chicken, which is why I've been adding the hearts. I've been trying to stick with the "Frankenprey" idea, and something about a single duck with a hundred hearts didn't seem right to me. Thanks for clearing it up and letting me know it's OK!

Sonja

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6d. Re: Another Organ Meat Question
Posted by: "LA Dyver" ladyver@sbcglobal.net lonepalm77
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:06 pm ((PDT))

Thank you for the replies. I've been feeding whole duck, not carcasses. The duck I've been getting seems more bony to me than chicken, which is why I've been adding the hearts. I've been trying to stick with the "Frankenprey" idea, and something about a single duck with a hundred hearts didn't seem right to me. Thanks for clearing it up and letting me know it's OK!

Sonja

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7a. Re: Raw vs. Kibble
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:22 pm ((PDT))

"merril Woolf" <merril@...> wrote:
>
> Would that be like 'reduced for a quick sale' due to being past
their 'sell by' date?
*****
Well, sorta.
Being past the sell by date in wolfdom is pretty much dead.
Chris O

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8a. Re: Feeding Lamb
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:34 pm ((PDT))

"T Smith" <coldbeach@...> wrote:
>
> I asked a friend about lamb, goat or pig farmers on the island here &
she
> told me that lamb specifically carry diseases & worms that will infect
> dogs. I am looking for outlets for bulk food for all my dogs!
> I told her that I would freeze it for a time before I fed but she
rebutted
> that a lamb farmer told her this & stood her ground.
> Anyone here feed lamb? Or know what she is referring to?
*****
I feed local lamb as often as I can but of course I don't know the
husbandry practices of the farmers on your island. My guess is your
friend is repeating mythology as told to her by a farmer for whom,
maybe 50 years ago, there was some truth to the tale.

Pigs raised as garbage disposals may carry trich but if the farmer is
following modern farming methods the pigs will have led a safe--
although inappropriate--life.

Why don't you talk to the animal sciences school at a university, find
out for yourself what's what. Or go mess around with Google. And then
YOU can let US know the rest of the story.
Chris O

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8b. Re: Feeding Lamb
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:06 pm ((PDT))

I hadn't heard anything about that and have been feeding a lot of local
lamb since July (and occasionally before July) with no issues. This
order came frozen, but I don't know if that's necessary or not. I have
fed fresh lamb. There are lots of people on the WA/OR buying group
feeding the lamb I'm currently feeding and seemingly happy with it. My
particular order was on the fatty side and my dog can't do a lot of
fat, but I've heard others' were leaner. If you want, you might ask
for a leaner lamb.

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "T Smith" <coldbeach@...> wrote:
>
> I asked a friend about lamb, goat or pig farmers on the island here &
she
> told me that lamb specifically carry diseases & worms that will infect
> dogs.

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9a. Re: was Rats - now Diotomaceous Earth
Posted by: "linoleum5017" linoleum5017@yahoo.com linoleum5017
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:06 pm ((PDT))

+++Mod note: as you've already gathered, this is a perfect discussion for the raw chat list: http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/rawchat

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Giselle,

I am intrigued by this reference to diotomaceous earth - my pup had
fleas, as I emailed, but he has had such a good recovery from the
medicine, that I never ended up bathing him in the de like I thought I
would....

They can even eat it????? Can you send some website info on this
stuff? It sounds too good to be true!

bTW, BoJ is about to turn 1 year old on Friday : ) His 'baboon-butt'
fur loss problem is much better, now. Still, I'd like to hear more
about this de, in case the flea reaction problem again rears its ugly
head, ahem. I'm very interested, also, in how you treat the house
with de? Just sprinkle it around?

OK, I'm off the rawfeeding topic line, sorry. Please email me
privately, if you will.

Thanks,
Lynne

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Giselle <megan.giselle@...> wrote:
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>> And, if they got fleas, you could just treat them and their
environment with diatomaceous earth, and Wa-La! No fleas!
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> Treating the house, the outdoors, feed animals and the dogs with de
can get rid of an infestation. You can also feed de to divest your
dogs and feed animals of internal parasites.

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10a. Chicken Sale
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:06 pm ((PDT))

Hi all,
At our local Albertsons there is a whole chicken sale starting tomorrow for
.69/lb. I know I will get as many as possible that I can fit in my freezers
(which are near full now!) & we also got some at the military commissary for
the same price tonight (they even had an extra .35 off sticker on them!!)
Just thought I'd share for those looking for meat!
Trina
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Chip (deaf Dalmatian)
Casper (deaf Great Dane)
Whisper (deaf Great Dane)
Louie (hearing Great Dane)
Joey (deaf & blind Lhasa Apso)
Amy (disabled Lhasa Apso)
Cassandra (disabled Lhasa Apso)
Mr Paris (Lhasa Apso)
Chloe (deaf & blind Spaniel mix)

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11. Brining home new puppy...
Posted by: "D. Rajska" d.rajska@gmail.com deerajska
Date: Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:23 am ((PDT))

On 10/25/07, katkellm <katkellm@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Hey, if you gotta be crazy and neurotic now is the time to do it.:)
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Yes, you're absolutely right - might as well get it out of my system before
he comes home right?

Also, please post pictures when Frankie comes home.
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I most certainly will, and you guys are getting pics of his first meal!

I actually went down last Sunday to meet him - he has a littermate and the
breeder wanted to let me choose which one would be my pup. Well, I can't
make choices like that, but it turns out my puppy is capable, in no
uncertain terms, of expressing his choices - I was holding both puppies and
one crawled on top of his *brother's head* so he could reach my face and
lick it!!! When I tried to reposition him - he just did it again, twice!!!
So I ended up handing the poor trampled brother back to the breeder to hold
and told my puppy that yes indeed, if he insists I'll be happy to be his
person!!! Now my family is laughing at me that three full weeks before he
even comes home my dog is getting a good start on training me, lol! Maybe
next thing I need to do is sign up for a mailing list about training!!!!

So, at least I have no concern about his ability to say, "Mummy, this is
delicious" or "Um, mum, that's not for supper, is it?" At least he feels
quite free to express himself!!!!

Thank you for your advice and support, and I certainly will keep reading and
asking questions... Probably lots of questions....

Thanks again,

Dee

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12. Any word on the 5 m/o doxie?
Posted by: "woofwoofgrrl" cmc4lists1@gastrounit.com woofwoofgrrl
Date: Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:07 am ((PDT))

Any word on how the sick baby doxie is feeling?
Christine

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13. Specific feeding questions... Lots of them....
Posted by: "D. Rajska" d.rajska@gmail.com deerajska
Date: Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:12 am ((PDT))

Hi guys,

So, in anticipation of Frankie's homecoming - and his dietary needs - I'm
making friends with my neighbourhood Asian grocer (gotta love ethnic grocers
for the selection of raw food!!!). I've carefully examined their whole
fridge and freezer section, and I have a couple of dumb newbie questions...
Thanks everyone for being so helpful....

- the Asian grocer sells whole poultry. As in, head and feet intact. My
little boy will be 4-5 lbs when he comes home - will I be able to serve
these to him?

- may I give him squid as a meat only meal? Is there enough fat in it for a
growing little boy, or should I add something to the meal? How would a duck
wing work with a piece of squid - would that balance out the fat, bone and
protein needs?

- can I feed him whole, shell-on shrimp? Would shrimp shells fulfill his
bone needs for the meal?

- for fish meals, does it make a difference if he gets a small fishy that he
can eat in its entirety at one meal, or if I get a larger fish that I need
to cut into portions for such a small boy?

- does anyone know anything about a silkie (black-skinned) chicken? How
digestible is it as a first food compared to a regular chicken?

- can I feed snails to my pup? How about oysters or scallops?

Okay... I think that's all I can think of for now.... Thanks again everyone
for your help and encouragement....

Dee

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