Feed Pets Raw Food: [rawfeeding] Digest Number 12198

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: while we're on the subject of tripe... what's the deal?
From: ginny wilken
1b. Re: while we're on the subject of tripe... what's the deal?
From: Andrea
1c. Re: while we're on the subject of tripe... what's the deal?
From: Denise and David Spotila
1d. Re: while we're on the subject of tripe... what's the deal?
From: ginny wilken

2a. Re: When feeding organ meat question
From: Sandee Lee

3a. Re: Elderly dog gaining weight... (long post)
From: ginny wilken
3b. Re: Elderly dog gaining weight... (long post)
From: Howard Salob
3c. Re: Elderly dog gaining weight... (long post)
From: carnesbill
3d. Re: Elderly dog gaining weight... (long post)
From: Sandee Lee
3e. Re: Elderly dog gaining weight... (long post)
From: pelle567

4a. Re: Hi - New Here!
From: temy1102

5a. Re: A Meat Question
From: katkellm
5b. Re: A Meat Question
From: Andrea

6a. Re: Blood in poo
From: Andrea

7. (no subject)
From: Kathy Roop

8a. Re: (unknown)
From: Sandee Lee

9a. Raw feeding clean up
From: serge legault
9b. Re: Raw feeding clean up
From: Andrea
9c. Re: Raw feeding clean up
From: marlena_adema
9d. Re: Raw feeding clean up
From: carnesbill
9e. Re: Raw feeding clean up
From: nkayl
9f. Re: Raw feeding clean up
From: Sandee Lee

10a. Re: First time feeding raw and . . .
From: liebo1134
10b. Re: First time feeding raw and . . .
From: Sandee Lee
10c. Re: First time feeding raw and . . .
From: Margaret Martell

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1a. Re: while we're on the subject of tripe... what's the deal?
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:39 am ((PDT))

On Oct 24, 2007, at 3:18 AM, Giselle wrote:

> Don't know nuthin' 'bout no amino acids, but this is what wiki has
> to say;
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amino_acid
> and about tripe;
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripe
> So, it says that the first three stomachs are used in people food,
> so I'm
> assuming that commercially processed tripe for dogs, either raw or
> cooked,
> is, at least in part, from the fourth stomach.
>
> TC
> Giselle

As Wiki says, most human-targeted tripe is the rumen or the
reticulum. My tripe supplier makes a point of using all four
stomachs. I've seen the cases of whole tripes as they are delivered,
and they are segregated and labeled: Rumen, Omasum, Reticulum, and
Abomasum.

Surely this has to put it incrementally closer to appropriate whole
prey.

ginny and Tomo

All stunts performed without a net!

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1b. Re: while we're on the subject of tripe... what's the deal?
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:11 am ((PDT))

You are right about the white stuff, nutritionally it isn't worth
feeding. Green tripe isn't nutritious because it has stomach contents,
it has all the nutitious stuff that gets bleached out of the white
stuff. Bits of stomach contents just come along for the ride.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "kaebruney" <kaebruney@...> wrote:
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> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Morledzep@ wrote:
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> jut to clarify.. are we talking about green trips or the white
> tripe in grocery stores? i thought the white tripe in grocery
> stores was nutritionally void and the green trip contained some
> stomach contents thereby making it more nutritous?

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1c. Re: while we're on the subject of tripe... what's the deal?
Posted by: "Denise and David Spotila" brookside_casa@yahoo.com brookside_casa
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:34 am ((PDT))

Is green tripe a significant source of Omega 3's or is it just a trace amount?

David and Denise Spotila

Brookside Casa
Standard Poodles
Great minds discuss ideas
Average minds discuss events.
Small minds discuss people.
E Roosevelt

----- Original Message ----
From: Andrea <poketmouse45@yahoo.com>
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 12:11:50 PM
Subject: [rawfeeding] Re: while we're on the subject of tripe... what's the deal?

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogro ups.com, "kaebruney" <kaebruney@. ..> wrote:
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> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogro ups.com, Morledzep@ wrote:
>
> jut to clarify.. are we talking about green trips or the white
> tripe in grocery stores? i thought the white tripe in grocery
> stores was nutritionally void and the green trip contained some
> stomach contents thereby making it more nutritous?

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1d. Re: while we're on the subject of tripe... what's the deal?
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:47 am ((PDT))

On Oct 24, 2007, at 10:18 AM, Denise and David Spotila wrote:

> Is green tripe a significant source of Omega 3's or is it just a
> trace amount?
>
> David and Denise Spotila

If the cow was grassfed, then it's a normally appropriate source. If
not, then you need some other super source to offset it. We wouldn't
need supersources if all the prey ate right.

ginny and Tomo

All stunts performed without a net!

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2a. Re: When feeding organ meat question
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:06 am ((PDT))

Mary Anne,

I have one dog that will not touch pork liver or heart....so he gets beef,
chicken, turkey organs. No big deal!! :)

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Mary Anne Libcke" <Marylibcke@hotmail.com>

My dogs loved beef liver and brain, but will not touch pork liver. Anyone
with this or any suggestions. They like chicken gizzards too.

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3a. Re: Elderly dog gaining weight... (long post)
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:08 am ((PDT))

On Oct 24, 2007, at 9:09 AM, pelle567 wrote:

> I have a 12 year old beagle/GR mix that I adopted 1 year ago. When
> he was given to me he was on Iams weight management (heave) and
> weighed an extremely fluffy 50lbs. So he was switched immediately
> to raw. We went to his yearly check up and he has gained 13lbs!
> Now I swear he looks better than he did before, but my vet got on me
> about his weight gain.

Feed raw, check his thyroid. Your vet is remiss, to say the least, if
he has discounted this possibility.

ginny and Tomo

All stunts performed without a net!

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3b. Re: Elderly dog gaining weight... (long post)
Posted by: "Howard Salob" itiskismet1968@yahoo.com itiskismet1968
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:11 am ((PDT))

Dear Over weight Beagle/Gr owner,

What is his ideal weight suppose to be? Feed him that instead of 50 lb weight that he is. I agree get blood work with thyroid panel. Are you exercising him?

Sincerely,

Howard

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3c. Re: Elderly dog gaining weight... (long post)
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:12 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "pelle567" <krjoyner@...> wrote:
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> We went to his yearly check up and he has gained 13lbs!

This raw feeder would feed less. It won't take long for the dog's
stomach to adjust to the new amounts and he will be fine. Right now,
he is training you.

Something to consider. He is replacing fat with muscle. Muscle is
heavier so eventhough he looks smaller, he still weighs more because
he has more muscle. He still needs to loose weight so feed less.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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3d. Re: Elderly dog gaining weight... (long post)
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:32 am ((PDT))

Katie,

Most definitely get the thyroid checked on this guy. You'll need the full
6-panel test.....
Forms, instructions, prices, etc....
http://www.canine-epilepsy-guardian-angels.com/DrDoddsInstructions.htm

Trying to starve a dog into losing weight if it is caused by a medical
condition won't ever work!! :)

Sandee & the Dane Gang

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3e. Re: Elderly dog gaining weight... (long post)
Posted by: "pelle567" krjoyner@firstam.com pelle567
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:35 am ((PDT))

MODERATORS NOTE:SIGN YOUR MAILS!

I had his old man blood work done when I first got him last November
and his levels were slightly raised; I wasn't planning oh having it
done for a couple more weeks because I'm a little tight, but I'll
get him in there Friday.

His exercise is slightly lacking right now because of the weather,
but only slightly...he still gets walks a few times a week. He
doesn't move very fast so a walk is fine for him.

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Sandee Lee" <rlee@...> wrote:
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> Katie,
>
> Most definitely get the thyroid checked on this guy. You'll need
the full
> 6-panel test.....
> Forms, instructions, prices, etc....
> http://www.canine-epilepsy-guardian-
angels.com/DrDoddsInstructions.htm
>
> Trying to starve a dog into losing weight if it is caused by a
medical
> condition won't ever work!! :)
>
> Sandee & the Dane Gang
>

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4a. Re: Hi - New Here!
Posted by: "temy1102" ahn.tammy@gmail.com temy1102
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:11 am ((PDT))

When I fed my Dobergirl kibble and rawhides, she had horrible breath
too, exactly like you described. She'd lick us and the spot would
smell like death until we'd wash it off. I'm pretty positive she
didn't have any dental problems, and it all cleared up with raw. Her
breath is fresh now although a little bloody smelling after meals.
She still gets bully sticks and will have bad breath after one of those.

-Tammy & Grover

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5a. Re: A Meat Question
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:12 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "totaly_his" <totaly_his@...> wrote:

>... thought I needed to give her JUST a meat meal sometimes.

Hi Jackie,
When i think of a meat only meal i think of heart, or tripe, or a
boneless roast. If it comes with a bone, by all means feed the bone.
If the roast is too big for one serving, even if it has a bone in it,
you can turn it into a boneless meal by letting your dog eat off the
roast until she has had her portion for the day, taking it away and
putting it in the fridge until the next meal. If you keep repeating
these boneless meals, depending on the size of the roast, you'll
eventually end up with a meaty/bone meal. No reason to waste the
bone. KathyM

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5b. Re: A Meat Question
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:24 am ((PDT))

> When I give a meat meal do I cut the meat off the bone or do I let her
> (30-lbs) rip the meat off the bone and them remove the bone?

I wouldn't take the time to remove the bone. For me, meaty meals are
hunks of meat that I get without bones in them to start with like
heart, tongue, or boneless roasts. When the dogs eat pork shoulder the
first time they eat of it they usually eat only meat, the second
feeding is when they get to the bone.

> thought I needed to give her JUST a meat meal sometimes.

Not really, if you have been feeding more bone heavy meals you could
either feed a boneless meal or add in some meals that are heavier on
meat than usual. When you are just starting out you shouldn't worry
much about adding meaty meals until you have introduced things like
beef, pork and heart. IMO it is too expensive and confusing for
newbies to add boneless breast or boneless thigh meat to "balance" out
the meat to bone ratio. Feed through a whole chicken and you'll be
fine. In the long run just keep in mind that chicken is a little heavy
on bone.

> does anybody worry about whether or not the organ meat that the dog
> eats could possibly be "diseased" ie heart,brains,lungs?

Nope. If an organ looks off you could toss it, but I've never come
across anything that worried me.

Andrea

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6a. Re: Blood in poo
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:28 am ((PDT))

You might feed meatier foods, but it will proabably go away pretty
quickly on it's own.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Jennifer" <kali_moonwolf@...> wrote:

> Do you think if I cut the bone up it would help, or give more meat
> so it slips out faster?

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7. (no subject)
Posted by: "Kathy Roop" naps2003@yahoo.com naps2003
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:36 am ((PDT))

Hi,
My puppy and adults are eating a large variety, but mostly Primal premixed along with meaty bones. I work at a Veterinary Hospital and the UA came back normal-no medical condition. I realize that raw food contains alot of moisture, however I am uneasy about withholding drinking water. He seems to have to urinate large volumes. What do you think?

Kathy

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8a. Re: (unknown)
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:51 am ((PDT))

Kathy,

My first recommendation would be to get rid of the Primal with it's array of
inappropriate ingredients. Could be something in the food causing
this....veggies, supplements?

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Kathy Roop" <naps2003@yahoo.com>
> My puppy and adults are eating a large variety, but mostly Primal premixed
along with meaty bones. I work at a Veterinary Hospital and the UA came
back normal-no medical condition. I realize that raw food contains alot of
moisture, however I am uneasy about withholding drinking water. He seems
to have to urinate large volumes. What do you think?

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9a. Raw feeding clean up
Posted by: "serge legault" sergelegault126@yahoo.com sergelegault126
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:53 am ((PDT))

I am new and have not started raw feeding yet.

I have a Papillon, so the bites would never be any bigger than a chicken leg.

How messy will that meal be on the floors?

I remember giving a raw bone to another dog and having to wash the floor 20 minutes later and he was not finished yet.

Serge
Winnipeg, Manitoba

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9b. Re: Raw feeding clean up
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:15 pm ((PDT))

Feed on a towel or vinyl tablecloth so you don't have to fuss with
cleaning the floors. FWIW, I feed two ~60lb dogs on their dog beds and
only wash the beds when they get funky. Dogs are actually really clean
when they eat raw food.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, serge legault <sergelegault126@...>
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> I have a Papillon, so the bites would never be any bigger than a
> chicken leg. How messy will that meal be on the floors?

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9c. Re: Raw feeding clean up
Posted by: "marlena_adema" marlena_adema@yahoo.ca marlena_adema
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:46 pm ((PDT))

I too am new to the raw diet and started my 6 mos. old Shepard mix on
chicken about 4 days ago. Like Serge, I am concerned about the clean
up demands. I've been reading that salmonella can be handled by our
canine companions, but what about us? I put a mat down for pooch to
eat her chicken on, but sometimes she drags in onto the floor. Just
how easy does salmonella grow and spread? Of course I practice
hygiene when handling raw chicken, but am I obliged to keep
disenfecting my kitchen, washing floors, everything I touch each time
she eats (2x/day)???

Marlena Mishriky
Venice, Florida

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9d. Re: Raw feeding clean up
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:50 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, serge legault <sergelegault126@...>
wrote:

> How messy will that meal be on the floors?

My two Great Danes eat on a carpeted floor and I never clean it. They
do a great job of cleaning up afther themselves. Then each goes to
the other's place and cleans some more. Probably the dog's eating
places are the cleanest floor I have. :) :) :)

It's common to worry about the mess before you begin raw feeding.
After a couple of weeks into it, you will see it's a non-issue.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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9e. Re: Raw feeding clean up
Posted by: "nkayl" doglover72@gmail.com nkayl
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:51 pm ((PDT))

Love the vinyl tablecloth tip. I should have thought of that. I'm
very new to feeding raw also and have the floor issue too. I live in a
small apartment and feed my 3 dogs in the kitchen. My floor is a mess
afterwards. A large vinyl tablecloth would probably cover my whole
kitchen floor. Thank you!!!!!!

Natalie

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9f. Re: Raw feeding clean up
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:55 pm ((PDT))

Marlena,

Practicing normal hygiene, just as you are doing, is all that is necessary.
Salmonella is present everywhere regardless of what is being fed. Forget
the disinfectants...they are more harmful to you and your pets than
bacteria! :)

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "marlena_adema" <marlena_adema@yahoo.ca>

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10a. Re: First time feeding raw and . . .
Posted by: "liebo1134" liebo1134@yahoo.com liebo1134
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:50 pm ((PDT))

Hey Denise thanks for the response . . . my boy is 75 lbs. so I guess the chicken drumsticks
were too small? Where would I go about getting chicken quarters and necks and stuff like
that? He chewed up the bone pretty well but i guess it was dangerous . . . how concerned do
i have to be about Achilles licking me while or after eating the raw chicken?

Thanks,
Jeremy

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10b. Re: First time feeding raw and . . .
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:59 pm ((PDT))

Jeremy,

The best way to do this is just buy a whole chicken and cut it into
quarters. Forget the necks...too small and bony! Sounds like he did fine
with the drumstick but bigger is better.

No worries about kisses...a raw dog's mouth is far healthier than kibble
fed.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "liebo1134" <liebo1134@yahoo.com>

Hey Denise thanks for the response . . . my boy is 75 lbs. so I guess the
chicken drumsticks
were too small? Where would I go about getting chicken quarters and necks
and stuff like
that? He chewed up the bone pretty well but i guess it was dangerous . . .
how concerned do
i have to be about Achilles licking me while or after eating the raw
chicken?

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10c. Re: First time feeding raw and . . .
Posted by: "Margaret Martell" zahrammm1@yahoo.com zahrammm1
Date: Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:21 pm ((PDT))

liebo1134 <liebo1134@yahoo.com> wrote: Hey Denise thanks for the response . . . my boy is 75 lbs. so I guess the chicken drumsticks
were too small? Where would I go about getting chicken quarters and necks and stuff like
that? He chewed up the bone pretty well but i guess it was dangerous . . . how concerned do
i have to be about Achilles licking me while or after eating the raw chicken?

Thanks,
Jeremy
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Hi, Jeremy
I'm not Denise, but thought I'd respond.
You can just buy whole chickens and cut them in half or in to quarters. Necks by themselves tend to be too small and too boney for a meal...I'd feed a neck only if it was still attached to the bird.
Personally, I wouldn't be too concerned about the licking factor after/while they eat. I've been feeding raw for over 2 years now and nothing has ever happened regarding "germs" or anything of the like and my dog is a huge licker.
Margaret & Zahra

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