Feed Pets Raw Food: [rawfeeding] Digest Number 12209

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Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: is a pet ever too old to start feeding raw? NO
From: Josephine Morningstar

2a. Re: Somebody kill me NOW
From: jennifer_hell
2b. Re: Somebody kill me NOW
From: jennifer_hell

3a. Re: Puppy with problem
From: Casey Post
3b. Re: Puppy with problem
From: Sandee Lee

4a. Re: Throwing up black vomit
From: costrowski75
4b. Re: Throwing up black vomit
From: pelle567

5a. Re: Bone & raw meat meals?
From: costrowski75

6a. Re: Why is Liver so important?
From: jennifer_hell
6b. Re: Why is Liver so important?
From: Andrea
6c. Re: Why is Liver so important?
From: moemahood@aol.com
6d. Re: Why is Liver so important?
From: Tina Berry

7a. best suppliers?
From: Rachel Amov
7b. Re: best suppliers?
From: Sandee Lee
7c. Re: best suppliers?
From: moemahood@aol.com
7d. Re: best suppliers?
From: rosey031801

8a. Marrow bone question
From: reachpanda
8b. Re: Marrow bone question
From: Sandee Lee
8c. Re: Marrow bone question
From: Tina Berry
8d. Re: Marrow bone question
From: T Smith

9a. Pig Skins
From: kjdaughtridge
9b. Re: Pig Skins
From: Tina Berry
9c. Re: Pig Skins
From: Tina Berry

10a. 8 year old with sugar
From: raeminpin24
10b. Re: 8 year old with sugar
From: Sandee Lee

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1a. Re: is a pet ever too old to start feeding raw? NO
Posted by: "Josephine Morningstar" josephine.morningstar@gmail.com jomorningstar
Date: Fri Oct 26, 2007 12:44 pm ((PDT))

totally agree.. and i promote raw feeding every place i go that someone
stops and remarks about how great Heather looks.. or makes a remark about
her eating me out of house and home..

i think? i have converted a lot of people this way.. i sure see them
perusing the mark down meats at the grocery store more often..

On 10/26/07, rosey031801 <rosey031801@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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> I have an 11 year old border mix that has been on raw for over a year
> and he has never been healthier and happier. I would switch any dog you
> can, even if it's old...
> Cheryl

Josephine MorningStar & Heather, Pyr, Mobility & MASD
Native American in Massachusetts

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2a. Re: Somebody kill me NOW
Posted by: "jennifer_hell" jenniferhell@web.de jennifer_hell
Date: Fri Oct 26, 2007 1:19 pm ((PDT))

Bless you, Bill! I feel a little better now. I just feed too much bone
if I don't get the hearts into her (I know, I know- reathe, don't
sweat!). The venison I got are ribs and parts of the leg, quite some
meat on them but not enough.
I caved tonight- I pretended to take something out of our casserole
and swirled the hearts with the spoon I used in it. She got about a
drop of pasta sauce on her hearts, and found them delicious then. Oh
well, sometimes it's all psychological. Lol!!!

Jennifer with Mandy, who got more venison after eating the hearts and
loved it.

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "carnesbill" <carnesw@...> wrote:

> Jennifer,
> Don't sweat the small stuff. Don't worry about muscle meat and
> bone. She is doing fine. Hard light colored stools are normal with
> chicken. As long as it's not white and powdery, don't be
> concerned. Every poop is not going to be perfect consistancy. Each
> will be different.
>

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2b. Re: Somebody kill me NOW
Posted by: "jennifer_hell" jenniferhell@web.de jennifer_hell
Date: Fri Oct 26, 2007 1:39 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "jennifer_hell" <jenniferhell@...>
(I know, I know- reathe, don't
> sweat!)

- Meh, I meant breathe, of course!

Jennifer

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3a. Re: Puppy with problem
Posted by: "Casey Post" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Fri Oct 26, 2007 1:20 pm ((PDT))

> She only weighs about 5 lbs. She can't go on like this for long. :o(

Michelle,

If this were my puppy, I'd take her to the vet to make sure that you're not
seeing something more serious, like Parvo.

Casey

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3b. Re: Puppy with problem
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Fri Oct 26, 2007 1:34 pm ((PDT))

Michelle,

There are many causes for diarrhea in a puppy. At the very least, I would
have a stool sample run. No need to tell them what she is eating....make
them look at the dog, not blame diet!

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "afurzmom" <havamomma@gmail.com>

It seems like anything I feed her brings on another round of liquid
stools. She's exhausted and so am I.

I recently lost my vet (he moved to a clinic 50 miles away), and I
hesitate to take her to a new vet because I KNOW they'll blame the raw
feeding. Please help!

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4a. Re: Throwing up black vomit
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Oct 26, 2007 1:31 pm ((PDT))

"Jenn" <jennswisher@...> wrote:
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> Hello,
>
> Last night my hound threw up three times, and it was a black,
sticky
> material with a little grass and a few bone chunks.
>
> About 9 hours earlier he ate a 1/2 chicken, the night prior he ate
> canned mackerel, and two nights prior he had pork chops (no bone).
> These are all things he eats regularly.
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Both dark, oily fish and dirt are known to produce the vomit you
describe. If he is acting like his old self, I think you can blame
oily fish (sardines are especially nasty when vomited). If he shows
signs of abdominal discomfort, if he continues to vomit or wretches
unproductively, if he's clearly not the kid you know and love, take
him to the vet.

Don't allow fear of reprisal stop you. If diet becomes an issue,
either blame his intake on garbage can raiding, or tell the vet you
feed raw food and you'll be happy to debate the issue LATER.

Let us know how this resolves.
Chris O

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4b. Re: Throwing up black vomit
Posted by: "pelle567" krjoyner@firstam.com pelle567
Date: Fri Oct 26, 2007 1:39 pm ((PDT))

Sounds like blood...maybe he has an ulcer. I would take him to the
vet.

Katie
Brutus
China
Fred
Barley

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5a. Re: Bone & raw meat meals?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Oct 26, 2007 1:40 pm ((PDT))

"marclre" <marclre@...> wrote:
Another didn't seem
> discernably bothered by the mix. In any case commercial food is
crap so I say dump it and
> switch cold turkey. Never had a problem with that yet.
*****
There are too many dogs eating kibble topped off with raw meat to
think that--unequivocally--the two cannot be fed in the same meal.
It is a waste of energy to try to convince kibble/raw meat feeders
that what they're doing is causing disgestive upset, because clearly
it is not.

The real issue is what you say and continues to be that: commercial
food is crap. Feeding raw meat with kibble does not fix kibble;
feeding kibble with or without raw meat is still feeding crap.

Needless to say, Marie-Claire, I agree with you. Dump the kibble.
Chris O

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6a. Re: Why is Liver so important?
Posted by: "jennifer_hell" jenniferhell@web.de jennifer_hell
Date: Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:17 pm ((PDT))

What to do if the dog doesn't eat it? Can you throw it in the pan for
a very short time, or pour a little boiling water on it, or does that
destroy really everything? I already dread the day when I'll try to
give it to Mandy who hates everything glibbery.

Jennifer, who tries really hard not to sweat it (but fails miserably)

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6b. Re: Why is Liver so important?
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:27 pm ((PDT))

There are lots of ways to get a dog to start eating liver! You just
have to be a little sneaky sometimes.

- Freeze it. Some dogs don't like the squidgy texture
- Quickly sear it to make it smell better
- Chop it up and mix it with green tripe or any other bribe food
- Cut deep slits in regular food and shove small pieces of liver in
there
- Pretend you are going to eat it and grudgingly share it with your
pooch
But above all the one I use is the following:
- Tell pooch that you decide what is on the menu and saying "I don't
want this" is not an option. Liver gets fed before the rest of the
meal and if it isn't eaten the rest of dinner goes back in the
fridge. You may have a rough battle at first, but if you don't
give in it makes for much smoother sailing down the line.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "jennifer_hell" <jenniferhell@...>
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> What to do if the dog doesn't eat it?

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6c. Re: Why is Liver so important?
Posted by: "moemahood@aol.com" moemahood@aol.com selfemployedhealth
Date: Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:08 pm ((PDT))

Jennifer, who tries really hard not to sweat it (but fails miserably)

Jennifer, I used to mix up my liver with ground meat and eggs and stuff to hide it.? My two refused liver the first few times it was offered but now take it willingly.? Some will saute it for a second or two, but I'm too lazy.?

?Maureen

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6d. Re: Why is Liver so important?
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:08 pm ((PDT))

"I already dread the day when I'll try to give it to Mandy who hates
everything glibbery."

LOL my one male had to start off with frozen before he would eat it raw and
oozey.

--
Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com

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7a. best suppliers?
Posted by: "Rachel Amov" gypsyfiddler@cox.net gypsyfiddler
Date: Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:22 pm ((PDT))

hi Guys,

I have a relatively new dog now, a small Anatolian Shepherd Dog who
LOVES the food from "Nature's Variety" sold by a local store called
Holistic Hound. I'm guessing that it might be more expensive than
some, but I'm not sure. I see, on my other list, the BARF Suppliers
list, only one company, Creston Valley Meats and I'm just wondering
where all of you get your raw stuff, if it's already processed
together with the bones and organ meat (as is the Nature's Variety) or
if you do that part yourselves, or maybe your dogs are more inclined
towards chicken wings etc. (Bauer will just bury those, and dog bones,
though he does dig up bones and chaw on them at various times he is
absolutely addicted to the pre-mixed stuff that comes in a sort of
hamburger patty shape and texture (sort of).

Rachel

also what are the various prices? we're in San Diego if that makes any
difference.

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7b. Re: best suppliers?
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:40 pm ((PDT))

Rachel,

Just buy some nice whole chickens, large pork or beef roasts, lamb
shoulders, etc and let your dog do his own processing. He's got wonderful
teeth that need to be kept healthy by doing his own chewing.

Stay away from the mixes with all of their inappropriate ingredients, stay
away from ground, stay away from "dog bones"....you can buy everything you
require at your local grocery store. Just start out with some nice whole
chickens, cut them into halves or quarters and hand to dog. Easy and
inexpensive.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Rachel Amov" <gypsyfiddler@cox.net>

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7c. Re: best suppliers?
Posted by: "moemahood@aol.com" moemahood@aol.com selfemployedhealth
Date: Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:08 pm ((PDT))

I'm just wondering
where all of you get your raw stuff, if it's already processed
together with the bones and organ meat (as is the Nature's Variety) or
if you do that part yourselves, or maybe your dogs are more inclined
towards chicken wings etc.

Rachel, I buy my meat in various places.? I order online from www.prey4pets.com and I get some stuff free from hunters and freecycle.? Also, I buy some stuff at the grocery store and/or price club.? I do not feed any premixes because they are too expensive.? Usually I keep the stuff I buy to an average of 1.50 a lb and then when I get the free stuff I'm happy.?

I have never feed any premixed food -- so I'm not sure what all goes into them.?

?Maureen

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7d. Re: best suppliers?
Posted by: "rosey031801" rosey031801@sbcglobal.net rosey031801
Date: Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:08 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Sandee Lee" <rlee@...> wrote:
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> Rachel,
I just shop at the local grocery stores. I guess you are new here. Read
and read these messages. You will learn just how easy it is to shop at
the store and hand the meat to your dog without any fancy prep work. I
get mostly chicken quarters for my dog. He loves it.
Cheryl

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8a. Marrow bone question
Posted by: "reachpanda" reachpanda@hotmail.com reachpanda
Date: Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:25 pm ((PDT))

OK, dumb newbie question. I just bought some cut marrow bones from the
store for my dogs. Do I give it to them still frozen or let it thaw
first?

Andrea

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8b. Re: Marrow bone question
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:33 pm ((PDT))

Neither...take them back! :) Seriously they are nothing more than tooth
breakers and wearers. Don't feed them.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "reachpanda" <reachpanda@hotmail.com>

OK, dumb newbie question. I just bought some cut marrow bones from the
store for my dogs. Do I give it to them still frozen or let it thaw
first?

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8c. Re: Marrow bone question
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:08 pm ((PDT))

Neither...take them back! :) Seriously they are nothing more than tooth
breakers and wearers. Don't feed them.

Ditto - been there done that - if they don't break their teeth, if given
often they wear their teeth right down.
--
Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com

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8d. Re: Marrow bone question
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:08 pm ((PDT))

I know many don't feed them but I have for many years.
My dogs/puppies like to chew on things & have various toys but the bones
will keep them busy. When they get bored with pulling the meat & some
chewing, I throw them away: unless they bury them out back :-)
I know they can break teeth, etc but I also know it keeps many dogs/pups out
of trouble ;-)
It keeps my three 11 yr olds, my 16 yo & others who can't get around much
something to do instead of nothing. My blind/deaf guy loves them.
Trina

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> OK, dumb newbie question. I just bought some cut marrow bones from the
> store for my dogs. Do I give it to them still frozen or let it thaw
> first?
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> Andrea
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9a. Pig Skins
Posted by: "kjdaughtridge" kjdaughtridge@yahoo.com kjdaughtridge
Date: Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:09 pm ((PDT))

Hi everyone, I've been feeding raw for about 4 1/2 months and
everything's going great. My shepherd mix and greyhound are loving it.
I've posted once or twice...but for the most part we've had no real
problems.

I saw some raw pork skins at one of the grocery stores for about 70
cents/lb. It was just the skin, no meat, all neatly folded up like a
sheet. My question is, is there any benefit in feeding the skin alone
like this? Obviously, I wouldn't make a whole mean out of it, but is
there any reason I should or shouldn't feed it like that? I'm thinking
this might be more of a fun snack kind of thing for them. Any thoughts?

The beef and pork I feed typically doesn't have skin on it unless I
get a pork shoulder. I do feed them chicken and turkey with the skin.

-Kathleen D.

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9b. Re: Pig Skins
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:11 pm ((PDT))

"My question is, is there any benefit in feeding the skin alone like this?"

Nope - and if it's white in color, it's been bleached which is even worse.
Like tripe purchased in the grocery store.
--
Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com

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9c. Re: Pig Skins
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:12 pm ((PDT))

"I do feed them chicken and turkey with the skin."

Yes, the whole bird (well, not in one sitting, but yes on feeding it all)
--
Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com

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10a. 8 year old with sugar
Posted by: "raeminpin24" raeminpin24@yahoo.com raeminpin24
Date: Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:39 pm ((PDT))

I started the raw diet 2 weeks ago today and my min pin has sugar and
allergies. The allergies have went down more than I have ever seen them
but I still can not regulate her sugar, dose anyone have this promblom
or advise to help me?

Thanx Rae Nicholson

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10b. Re: 8 year old with sugar
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:46 pm ((PDT))

Rae,

What do you mean sugar allergies? Where is she getting sugar in a raw
diet...there shouldn't be any!

Do you mean diabetes where you have to regulate her glucose levels?

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "raeminpin24" <raeminpin24@yahoo.com>

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