Feed Pets Raw Food: [rawfeeding] Digest Number 12215

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: tripe, now what?
From: Kevin & Nancy McCloskey
1b. Re: tripe, now what?
From: MustBLuvSpaniels@aol.com
1c. Re: tripe, now what?
From: Yasuko herron
1d. Re: tripe, now what?
From: MARJORY
1e. Re: tripe, now what?
From: Renate
1f. Re: house cleaning product for dogs
From: Yasuko herron
1g. Re: house cleaning product for dogs
From: Karen Swanay

2a. Green tripe location
From: raffiangel2
2b. Re: Green tripe location
From: moemahood@aol.com
2c. Re: Green tripe location
From: Laurie Swanson
2d. Re: Green tripe location
From: susrob061174
2e. Re: Green tripe location
From: Yasuko herron

3a. Re: Scratching
From: Laurie Swanson

4a. Re: backward??
From: Casey Post
4b. Re: backward??
From: cleavlet

5a. Re: Turkey necks and legs
From: Casey Post
5b. Re: Turkey necks and legs
From: Laurie Swanson
5c. Re: Turkey necks and legs
From: Patty Linden

6a. Re: upset tummy
From: carnesbill
6b. Re: upset tummy
From: Yasuko herron
6c. Re: upset tummy
From: costrowski75

7a. Re: More reasons to go raw!
From: Shannon Parker

8. Bella, yet again.
From: Renate

9a. Re: feeding rabbit meat
From: Yasuko herron

10. How Long to Freeze Fresh Venison (first time)
From: helpshelteranimals

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1a. Re: tripe, now what?
Posted by: "Kevin & Nancy McCloskey" kpmnlm@patmedia.net miensasis
Date: Sun Oct 28, 2007 4:04 pm ((PDT))

I have a silly question.

I keep reading how smelly the green tripe is. Do your dogs smell like it
when they are done feeding on it??? Just curious. My wheatens have long
beards that touch their food while they eat it and I wasn't sure how much
the smell would transfer. Didn't know if I'd have to be prepared for
"smelly dog" when I get around to trying it! LOL!

Thanks,

Nancy

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1b. Re: tripe, now what?
Posted by: "MustBLuvSpaniels@aol.com" MustBLuvSpaniels@aol.com mustbluvspaniels
Date: Sun Oct 28, 2007 4:51 pm ((PDT))

I had to spray my house with air freshener, and now my dogs need a breath
mint. But they had no hesitation when eating it. It was like something they
would make the people on Survivor eat. Lisa

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1c. Re: tripe, now what?
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:20 pm ((PDT))

>I had to spray my house with air freshener

I am wondering Air freshner is ok to use around dogs because dogs nose is more sensitive than ours andhouse cleaning chemical is no harm to them???

I do not use spray cleaning productsaround my dogs because i worry about it.

yassy

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1d. Re: tripe, now what?
Posted by: "MARJORY" birdgirl@hvc.rr.com lovinalldogs
Date: Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:05 pm ((PDT))

I feed green tripe three days a week. I crush a raw egg, shell and all, on top and the dogs just LOVE IT. Since I've increased feeding green tripe to 3 times a week, I see an amazing difference in their coats. I've been feeding raw for a while, thought my dogs looked great and now they look even better and I KNOW it is one of the best foods they can get. The remainder of their diet is chicken, pork, beef hearts and a rare treat of beef, if not too expensive. I haven't been able to find it whole, but am really satisfied with the Bravo.

I ease the discomfort of the odor by enjoying the scene of them diving in!

Marjory

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1e. Re: tripe, now what?
Posted by: "Renate" renate.tideswell@gmail.com tideswell_renate
Date: Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:18 pm ((PDT))

Good for you, Yassy. I don't spray cleaning products around me cause I know
they will cause fainting spells, and my dogs are a lot smaller than me, so
no way. No chemicals, no cleaning products, and for sure, no febreeze and
no fabric softener.
Renate

On 10/28/07, Yasuko herron <sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> I do not use spray cleaning productsaround my dogs because i worry about
> it.
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> yassy
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1f. Re: house cleaning product for dogs
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:27 pm ((PDT))

> I don't spray cleaning products around me cause I know they will cause fainting spells,

lol. Hi,Renate. Especially bath tub cleaning products are (although not spray but real fainting smell and I usually fan on and clean tub).. even fan on,I wonder if I am safe to be around... of course my dog goesdownstairs while i clean upstairs tub.

she knows where to go.

yassy

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1g. Re: house cleaning product for dogs
Posted by: "Karen Swanay" luvbullbreeds@gmail.com kswanay1111
Date: Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:51 pm ((PDT))

I haven't followed this thread but kosher salt and 1/2 a lemon or
baking soda and lemon juice on a sponge will clean your tub
beatuifully with no fumes and no harsh chemicals. I clean everything
with lemon juice, white vinegar, baking soda, borax, lemons, and tea
tree oil. Safe for humans and critters alike. (Tea tree oil can be
toxic to cats...always rinse well.)
Karen

On 10/28/07, Yasuko herron <sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > I don't spray cleaning products around me cause I know they will cause fainting spells,
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> lol. Hi,Renate. Especially bath tub cleaning products are (although not spray but real fainting smell and I usually fan on and clean tub).. even fan on,I wonder if I am safe to be around... of course my dog goesdownstairs while i clean upstairs tub.
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> she knows where to go.
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> yassy
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2a. Green tripe location
Posted by: "raffiangel2" snazgal@aol.com raffiangel2
Date: Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:20 pm ((PDT))

Where are you ordering your green tripe from?
I'm getting some from BLue Ridge who delivers to me with his truck..but
its not in raw form...its rolled into one of those logs...
Is this ok or should I find a more 'raw' state of Tripe?
Web sites anyone?
Suggestions?

Thanks..
Phyllis in Delray Beach,Florida

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2b. Re: Green tripe location
Posted by: "moemahood@aol.com" moemahood@aol.com selfemployedhealth
Date: Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:34 pm ((PDT))

I order from prey4pets.com? She has whole and ground tripe.? The whole has a few choices -- .5lbs, l or 5 lb bags.? I get the .5 lb bags so I do not need to process.

?Maureen

Thanks..
Phyllis in Delray Beach,Florida

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2c. Re: Green tripe location
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:05 pm ((PDT))

I'm not familiar with this, but why do you say it isn't raw? Is it
cooked? Dehydrated? Just curious.

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "raffiangel2" <snazgal@...> wrote:
>> its not in raw form...its rolled into one of those logs...
> Is this ok or should I find a more 'raw' state of Tripe?

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2d. Re: Green tripe location
Posted by: "susrob061174" susrob061174@yahoo.com susrob061174
Date: Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:05 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "raffiangel2" <snazgal@...> wrote:
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> Where are you ordering your green tripe from?
> I'm getting some from BLue Ridge who delivers to me with his truck..but
> its not in raw form...its rolled into one of those logs...
> Is this ok or should I find a more 'raw' state of Tripe?

Hey Phyllis

The tripe from Blue Ridge Beef is in a RAW state, but just frozen and
grinded up. It not as messy and its much easier to handle and give to
the dogs.

Susanne, Courtney & The Danes

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2e. Re: Green tripe location
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:21 pm ((PDT))

Hi.I get tripe from Hare-today in PA. They send tube thing that is filled with ground tripe with spleen.

I like to try tripe.com tripe someday (shipping fee to VA from CA is pricy ;57 dollars with about 10lb item in box,so,I cannot order yet.)

if you live in CA or west coast,tripe.com maybe good choice to order.

I have seen canned tripe,but is it any good,everybody?

Is it good to keep around for emergency use for dog?

If so,where do you get the canned tripe from?

yassy

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3a. Re: Scratching
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:27 pm ((PDT))

Hi Rae,

You might double-check as to whether the chicken you're feeding could
be enhanced/injected w/flavoring or broth or saline solution.
Sometimes that causes the itchies. A diet high in chicken sometimes
does, too--although it is usually fine (and easy) to start with. Her
system is also taking in less toxins and will be able to eliminate
some of the stored toxins in her body, which can happen through the
skin. So, it could just be temporary. Of course, I'm sure there are
other reasons, too. Sometimes fish body/salmon oil seems to help
with skin issues. You can search the archives for more info on that
if you want.

The vomit sounds like bile, which often happens if the feeding
schedule/frequency changes. The tummy is expecting food and if it
doesn't come, the acids get sent up. Could that be it? Eventually
it's good to get them on a more random schedule (or lack of
schedule). It might also just be her system adjusting to the new
food.

Laurie

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4a. Re: backward??
Posted by: "Casey Post" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:32 pm ((PDT))

he smells like chee-tos.
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> Seems yeasty to me,

**Sounds like a good call - the smell is usually a giveaway...staph smells a
bit different.

>> but why yeasty on meat?

**Yeast is an opportunistic beggar. While it thrives on sugars and
starches, it can also bloom simply as a result of the body's immune system
being less than optimal and not able to balance it out as well as it should.

> I'm giving him fish oil capsules (no soy) and he's on
> soloxine .3 mg (is that right?) daily (1.5 2x day) per Dr. Dodds.
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> He has heartworms too (it's been almost two years since diagnosis).

**Hypothyroid and heartworm + ... both stresses on the immune system.

> I thought th diet would help more???

**Diet is the foundation of health, yes. But it isn't a be-all, end-all to
wellness (unfortunately). Other factors play a role - genetics, stress,
environment, allergies, vaccines, etc.

**If this were my dog, I would have his thyroid rechecked to make sure that
his meds don't need to be adjusted and I'd talk to my vet about reevaluating
the heartworm situation to see if there's any new issues that need to be
addressed. Something is stressing this dog's body more than it used to
be...

**Good luck.

Casey

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4b. Re: backward??
Posted by: "cleavlet" cleavlet@yahoo.com cleavlet
Date: Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:18 pm ((PDT))

Carol,

Hi. I'm intrigued by your situation. But, you're not getting much
response here (rawfeeding)!? If I might make a friendly suggestion:
try re-posting to one of the closely affiliated raw groups where
disease complication issues might be viewed as more on topic for
discussion. Here are two groups that would fit the bill:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rawpaws/ (thyroid issues discussed...)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rawchat/

Also, I'd like to see a little more background on Spencer:
- how old is he and what breed and/or size;
- how long now on a raw diet and what exactly he is fed;
- his feeding (and fasting?) schedule;
- his recent vaccination history;
- his heartworm treatment protocol;
- the soloxine is treating hyperthyroidism, yes?

Regards,

Cleavon

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> Spencer was doing great with the raw diet, but he's taken a down
turn in terms of his skin/coat lately.
> I'm giving him fish oil capsules (no > soy) and he's on
> soloxine .3 mg (is that right?) daily (1.5 2x day) per Dr. Dodds.
>
> He has heartworms too (it's been almost two years since diagnosis).
>

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5a. Re: Turkey necks and legs
Posted by: "Casey Post" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:48 pm ((PDT))

>My question is, is it wise for me to be feeding him a turkey neck? I have
>read in a number of places, including this list, that turkey necks can be
>dangerous.

**I am not comfortable feeding turkey necks to my (gulper) 90 lb Lab, but am
perfectly comfortable feeding them to my (careful chewer) 25 lb terrier
girl. Turkey necks are one of those things where you watch your dog's
eating style and decide whether or not you are comfortable with how it's
working for them. Since your boy is so little, I would guess that he's not
really capable of gulping a turkey neck, but you have eyes on him, so the
call has to be yours.

>The other question is--what about turkey legs. The bone looks quite large
>and hard. Is there a danger he could either damage his teeth on it, or
>perhaps choke?

**Dogs can choke on anything. Are turkey leg bones more choke-able than any
other food? No.

**As for tooth damage, no, I shouldn't think so. Your Pom may not be able
to consume the bone completely (many cats his size will be able to manage
the knuckle ends, but not the central shaft part), but the workout will
certainly help him build jaw strength, clean teeth, and have a great deal of
pleasure to boot. FWIW, bone in turkey thighs are a favorite of my little
terrier girl.

>>Sorry if these are silly questions--I just want to make sure.

**Not at all! How are you going to find out if you don't ask?

Casey

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5b. Re: Turkey necks and legs
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:05 pm ((PDT))

Hi Patty,

I think the turkey necks could be ok for your dog. My dog is a bit
bigger--a 23# Boston--and I've fed him big turkey necks the last
couple days (I bought a package that had one big hunk of neck
weighing about 1.25#). If your dog is chomping them pretty well, and
they aren't really choking-size diameter, it sounds ok. But you're
the one there, seeing how your dog eats and how big these are. Maybe
some others with smaller dogs will chime in.

I have a turkey leg in the freezer to try--I haven't tried that
particular part yet. Some people are afraid of the long leg bone
splintering and remove it at some point. I'm going to give it a
try. It would still be good for your dog to rip the meat off of and
gnaw on part of the bone, even if you remove it at some point. I
doubt it could do any tooth damage, but again, hopefully the smaller
dog people will chime in.

Not silly questions. And I may be being overcautious... :-)

Laurie

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5c. Re: Turkey necks and legs
Posted by: "Patty Linden" pattykat3@yahoo.com pattykat3
Date: Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:18 pm ((PDT))

Thank you, Casey, for your answer.

** Turkey necks are one of those things where you watch your dog's
eating style and decide whether or not you are comfortable with how it's
working for them. Since your boy is so little, I would guess that he's not
really capable of gulping a turkey neck, but you have eyes on him, so the
call has to be yours
My little guy is a slow and careful chewer, so I guess that answers that :-)

>The other question is--what about turkey legs. The bone looks quite large
>and hard. Is there a danger he could either damage his teeth on it, or
>perhaps choke?

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6a. Re: upset tummy
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:05 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "dutcher_katherine"
<katherinedutcher@...> wrote:
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> Everything I read online has suggested a gradual transition. Until
> joinign this website. I also got lots of advice from raw feeders on
> the dogster forum to feed RMBs for tooth cleaning. Dont some people
> combine kibble and raw (at seperate meals)---

Yes some uninformed people do, but be honest with yourself. If a prey
model diet that dogs have eaten for millions of years is the best diet
for your dog, why would you want to dilute it by feeding kibble? If
you don't believe a prey model raw diet is not the best for your dogs,
why feed any of it?

It's like you want the best of both worlds. Kibble is a grain based
cereal. Why in the world would you want to feed cereal to a carnivore?

In this case, switching a diet from kibble to raw is best done cold
turkey for many reasons. Its easier on both you and the dog. It
helps his body learn to digest real food much faster.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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6b. Re: upset tummy
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:05 pm ((PDT))

I agree to kathy. I cannot force people how to feed their own dogs but I think rawfeeding is most healthiest feeding way.
<kibble>

*Do you know that how they make the kibble and what is in it?

*Do you know that all the vitamin and mineral etc is by sprayed vitamin mix over the finished kibble? Because kibblecompany wants to compensate for nutrient loss during high heat cooking process of 300F to 400F.And for somedogs,it isway too much vitamin,and forsome dogs,not too enough amount of vitamin and for some dogs,prob with synthetic vitamin(not vitamin from whole foods)and cause itching etc.

*Do you think that what is listed is all in the bag? Some ingredinents not printed sometimes..

*Do you think it is wholesome food when kibble(food) is treated with additive or preservative etc to extendthe shelf life?

Kibble is convenient because just scoop up from bagand feed anddog gets addicted but is it really good for them?

<home-made>

* Everything is cooked and most recipe is based on some kind of rice.And, I think average of receipe is going by 40% carb 30%fat,30% protin or something.
Majority of food they serve is lack of water-content (high water content meanseasy digestion for thedogs)and,many nutrient loss during cooking,and higher % of carb(turn to sugar in body) .And some recipe has salt is added or butter or vegetable oil etc,which I am not sure why give those to dogs..

* Some vegetable in recipe such as sweetpotato(probably popular item in home-made feeder) become more digestable after cooking,but dog does not have enzyme in saliva so unlike us,their digestion starts in stomach,and hard to digest carb that has less water-content in food. High water content food reduce the risk of calcium oxalate stone disease too.

* They tend to make 1week worth food and devide up,and feed same thing day in day out for that week. And they spend hours peeling skin of veg or cooking or pureeing.. I have heard somebody bought 80lb of sweet potato to cook and mash for dogs..They maybe believe that NRC numbers should be met daily and do calculation each meal they feed,and I see some people give what I think unnnecessarysupplement to dogs to make sure they get enough nutrient daily... But like human nutrient pyramid,it changes year by year and they don't know what is really needded for dogs/human. Trying to feed fooddaily that is met to NRC nutrient number sounds good,but if people were not sure about whatreally needed forsure,why stick to those numbers.. I feel that feeding rawfeeding that is high in water content with untouched nutrients in food from various animals would be more whole-some food than home-made. I cannot come up with goodpoint of home-made...maybe people feel better since they cook for
their dogs???

<rawfeeding>

* I think some dogs go through transition period by puking or diarrhea,and it is not fun stuff for owners,and owners need to observe thedogs and need to learn their own dogs behavior pattern (gulper or not gulper) or how the meal should be served for unwelcomed foods,andit require tiny study on their own dog.

*And owner need to overcome handling some yucky items like tripe or liver or tongue etc

* But I think reward is big. Food is having natural nutrients(not deteriorated by heat) and high water content,no preservative,no additive, no salt no butter,no oil...and dog gets to eat all kinds of thing if variety is given andwider food menu than home-made I think.And no carb.Nothing added to food..

*For dogs, fun to eat,food is healthier,and coat andappearence gets better and less farting:-PSmaller poo(meaning digest most of thefood you give)...

Overall,if I feedkibble,I have no control over the food itself and you really don't knowwaht is in there so,I would not back to kibble.

And, home-made, I am not believing that rice should be based of diet andall those added items like salt,or added supplement to food,I do not knowi f it really good for dogs.I think it is unnecessary to fill their meal with bunch of supplementAnd since nutrients gets less for cooking, I see no advantage cooking taking timefordogs if not being able to give as much nutrient as we can with raw state.

Since I belive the dog diet should be based on meat,andrawstatehas more nutrientsandthey can digest the raw better than cooked with nothing added to food,I decided to feed raw andI never regret the decision I made.

yassy

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6c. Re: upset tummy
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:59 pm ((PDT))

katherine dutcher <katherinedutcher@...> wrote:
I am planning on transitiong my doggies to raw and am doing it
slowly. They currently eat wellness core and nature's variety
kibble. I have strated feeding RMBs three nights a week.
*****
You are far enough along now to get rid of the Wellness. The faster
you get your dogs off kibble the better. If you are feeding RMBs
three nights a week, you are feeding more RMBs per week than I
typically do, so IMO you are THERE. Jettison the kibble suspenders
and just rely on the raw belt. Your dogs do not need both. Not
ever, but certainly not at this point.

They get skinless bone in chicken breasts or thighs since I read
chicken is a nice bland RMB for beginniers.
*****
Chicken is fine. You're doing fine. Really. Chicken and RMB. All
you need add is organ and you got months before you reallyl have to
worry about that. In case you haven't noticed, you are feeding a raw
diet.

I know not to add any new protein sources for a while, but Im not
really sure how long to wait.
*****
1. Ditch the kibble. 2. Fed the chicken, feed whatever you are using
for meaty bones (my guess is they're mostly bone and not much mea and
pretty small, but hey, we can do the tweaking later). 3. When your
dogs are eating happily and are not generating unexpected stools and
are generally doing what you'd call thriving, add pieces of a new
protein to the chicken meals.

Feed increasing amounts of new meat until you have a sense of where
your dogs are going with it, then feed the new protein. If stools
get messier than you'd prefer to see, back off, retreat to the
chicken for awhile. If your particular dance is two steps forward
one step back, that's okay.

They also have a little dirrarhea which i know is normal when you are
starting a new food.
*****
Loose stools. Diarrhea is when they can't hold it and it comes out
all watery and goes everywhere.

Loose stools OTOH may be a result of too much food, too much fat, too
much new. Frankly, as long as you are muddying the waters with that
kibble stuff, you don't really know how your dogs are doing. Get rid
of the kibble. Initially the kibble may have helped YOU get along;
now it is counterproductive.

Im wondering how long it will take to go away.
*****
Again. Until you stop feeding the artifice in the kibble, you cannot
know how your dogs are responding to raw food. All kibble, even
Wellness and NV, have stool stabilizers in them--vast amounts of
plant fiber.

It will go away when you have simplifed their diet and you have fed
an appropriate amount of food (whatever that amount is) and they are
eating and digesting well.

do I need to do a raw dinner every night?
*****
Well, you can skip nights but not so you can feed kibble instead. By
and large, yes, at this stage you should be feeding raw every day.

Look: you are there except in your mind. Your dogs are eating raw
meat. They're eating raw meaty bones. Is that not raw? How much
more raw do you want raw to be? This is less an issue of your dogs'
readiness and more an issue of yours. Your dogs are ready.

Now it's your turn.
Chris O

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7a. Re: More reasons to go raw!
Posted by: "Shannon Parker" mrbatisse@yahoo.ca mrbatisse
Date: Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:05 pm ((PDT))

Hi Marlena,

No worries. I sometimes get emotional as well, when I see these sites. The thing is, I am on an animal ethics committee for a large canadian university, and have had the chance to learn alot about animals used in research (and this applies to private, and public institutions). Some of the studies that the article vaguely describes would never be allowed to pass, and on top of that, they are not giving any of the facts about how the studies that may be feesible are actually done. There are STRICT guidelines in place for animal research, and though I wish it didn't have to be done, I realize that it is being done as humanely as possible. I guess bottom line is that if more people were educated to proper feeding, they would ditch the kibble and stick to raw. I try to pass on that message more than anything.

Don't worry about coming off as controversial, I could tell from your post, you were just trying to show another positive about rawfeeding. I just find some of the animal rights groups ridiculous, and ask that people, like you said "take it with a grain of salt".

Cheers!

Shannon

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controversial. I'm new and am learning my way. Thanks for the
feedback.

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8. Bella, yet again.
Posted by: "Renate" renate.tideswell@gmail.com tideswell_renate
Date: Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:05 pm ((PDT))

We are now about 2 weeks later, and Bella, my pregnant bitch (due around 11
Nov) still is very resistant to eating the foods she loved when we started
on raw - no chicken, no pork, she is thrilled to bits to eat beef kidney,
but that is about all for major joy-dance reactions. I can hand-feed her a
bit of lamb or beef (but very limited success in this), and entice her to
eat a bone now and again. She'll also eat a bit of chicken liver. And is
usually willing to eat beef heart. I gave my other dogs some pork shanks
and they brought the bones in and she stole one of those tonight and chewed
on that quite happily for an hour. My vet is on my back to feed 'balanced
meals' - science diet is her prescription. and Bella's poop is definitely
reflecting her diet. I'm feeding her 3 times a day now unless I just cannot
make it home. Should I panic? There doesn't seem to be any problem with
her or growth. She does sleep alot, but who wouldn't in her state? I had
to be away all day today and came back to some very black, nasty wet
poopies, not unexpected by any means, considering her resistance to eating
any bone at all, but I guess, being new, I am yet again being pressured by
all these experts (vets) saying I'm not doing the best thing for Bella.
Should I try to get her to eat some egg shells - or am I just crazy-making?
TIA

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9a. Re: feeding rabbit meat
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:51 pm ((PDT))

>just started feeding my 2 dogs ground up rabbit meat,,,,they LOVE it....

Hi,Lynn.Good for you! My dog ate rabbit with disgusting face a couple of times anddecided to go on strike for next round and,since I got more variety and,rabbit was not must protin source so, I afterall pulled it from menu..

But may I ask why do you ground? You can feed without grinding.
Or are you feeding groundrabbit thathasorgan and bone andeverything and it is pre-grounded by supplier??

If so, you do not know theratio of bone and organ and meat and,no control over thecontents and dog needs to gnawing ripping pulling etc and not something you like to feed them.

If you got it from supplier the ground up rabbit,then,try getting whole rabbit,fur on or without etc. Hare today in PA has wide selection for rabbit.

Talking of rabbit,one night (I think it was thisweek),I was flipping channel to watch tv and saw ceaser working with animal control officer and the stray dogs that ended up in somebody's garage (there were 2 of them) were surviving to live by hunting rabbit!! I saw carcas laied on garage floor with just back bone and some parts left.

Ceasar was saying"These dog were hunting rabbits!"

So,I thought that it made more sense to me feeding raw meat to dogs.

yassy

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10. How Long to Freeze Fresh Venison (first time)
Posted by: "helpshelteranimals" helpshelteranimals@yahoo.com helpshelteranimals
Date: Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:01 pm ((PDT))

Just got fresh venison from the a processing place (got a heart in it
too!!!) for free. I think I got the top parts of the legs (not much
meat but it will be nice for my cats to tear off. I freeze it for 3
to 4 weeks right?

Thanks, sure appreciate it!

Have a good one!

AG & Ruffian (going to have his first ever taste of deer!)

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