[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12221

There are 9 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Bella, yet again.
From: Renate

2a. Re: Salmonella question
From: connie

3a. Re: {Raw Feeding} Took Max to the vet!
From: Brandi Bryant

4a. Re: Great "recipe" website
From: marlena_adema

5. We also have a new pup and a million questions
From: GoldenGirlAldi

6a. ground food
From: Ashley Myers
6b. Re: ground food
From: Andrea

7a. ADMIN/Re: Don't know if this is an allowable question????
From: babyboyfila1

8a. Re: Newbi eIntro
From: jaygaughan

Messages
________________________________________________________________________

1a. Re: Bella, yet again.
Posted by: "Renate" renate.tideswell@gmail.com tideswell_renate
Date: Tue Oct 30, 2007 5:08 am ((PDT))

Kinda stupid, wasn't it, trying chicken backs? She doesn't want chicken at
all so of course, she didn't eat the backs. she had a good time crunching up
the boiled egg, though, will give it raw next time. I got some sardines and
tuna, so I can try a bit of that later. But I get the message, let her eat
what she wants and stop worrying.... Thank you, will try to do that.;-)
Renate

On 10/30/07, Sandee Lee <rlee@plix.com> wrote:
>
> Well obviously your vet does not understand what a "balanced" diet for a
> carnivore consists of, does she???? :))
>
> If Bella is not wanting bone, there's no way she'll touch a back...maybe
> breast meat, but I thought she didn't want chicken at all? Whatever...feed
> her what she wants at this point. She knows what she needs.
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Messages in this topic (12)
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

2a. Re: Salmonella question
Posted by: "connie" justbullies@hotmail.com bullienut
Date: Tue Oct 30, 2007 5:35 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "alexanderdewey"
<alexanderdewey@...> wrote:
>
>

Hi Alex,
Thought I would add this..maybe for your comfort :)...but I have
crawled in bed with a chicken wing and a beef rib before. I have found
chicken parts behind the plant stand in my living room, a rib bone
stuffed in my couch...lol...and varies other raw foods buried in the
dirty laundry basket...I am a clean person...but don`t go
overboard...bacteria is everywhere!! I did learn to shut my bedroom
door during feeding time...:) And if you have to resort to k*bble I
suggest a grain free..from an pet food outlet..can`t find in a grocery
store.
~connie~
and a bunch of bulldogs
www.justbullies.com

Messages in this topic (11)
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

3a. Re: {Raw Feeding} Took Max to the vet!
Posted by: "Brandi Bryant" bbryant573@gmail.com bbryant573
Date: Tue Oct 30, 2007 6:04 am ((PDT))

Thank you but I'm gonna wait to see what he finds from the blood that he's
already taken and I agree with the vet I don't think it's hypothyroid
anymore -

Brandi

>
>
>

--
Brandi
Bartlesville, Ok

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Messages in this topic (6)
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

4a. Re: Great "recipe" website
Posted by: "marlena_adema" marlena_adema@yahoo.ca marlena_adema
Date: Tue Oct 30, 2007 6:12 am ((PDT))

> It and http://rawfed.com are the websites I recommend most
frequently.
> Chris O
>

And a great recommendation it is - this is the website that convinced
me to go raw. It answered all my questions and it's credibility
factor is high.

Marlena

Messages in this topic (6)
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

5. We also have a new pup and a million questions
Posted by: "GoldenGirlAldi" aldona99@yahoo.com aldona99
Date: Tue Oct 30, 2007 6:12 am ((PDT))

Hi,
We also have a new Golden Retriever puppy in the house. He was on kibble and green tripe at the breeders. We took him home with 7 weeks. With 9 weeks, we took a urin sample, because I thought he was peeing too often, and it came in trickles sometimes. The urin showed a high white blood count, along with a large amount of crystals. She told me to feed him moist foods, and no more dry food, saying that the dry stuff had too many minerals that were collecting in his bladder, and this could cause stones in the future.

I had no problem with dropping the kibble, as I'm for the more natural diet anyway.

I fed him chicken wings, which apparently is not advised on this list. Or did I misunderstand something? Anyway, he ends up barfing up the biggest bone of the wing. Seems he doesn't break up the bones well enough. So now I chop off wing tip part, and grind the other. After reading the past few posts on the subject, I'm reading I shouldn't grind anything up for him.

Same for the tripe, which I picked up at the slaughterhouse. It was a whole tripe! Never knew it was so humongous, or that heavy! But I cut a piece off for him to chew on. He chewed like about 5 minutes, then left it. But he'll his his 200 grams of ground tripe!

When we had our adult Goldens, they could and would eat anything! No problems! Although I've never reached the stage of giving them something like a whole pig's head, or similar. Feeding raw became a way of life, before Gina had whelped. It was easy getting the pups on an all raw diet, but our adult dogs have all passed away, and all we had was our Sheltie girl, whom I'm also switching onto the raw diet again. But she is such a peculiar dog, quite different than our goldens.

Now with pup Marley, I'm a total rookie. Billinghurst recommends one diet, Wendy Volhard recommends a different but similar diet, so which diet does this list recommend?

I'm just so unsure of myself. I'm not sure, do I supplement during the pup months? or not? Should I give brewer's yeast? Vit. E in form of oils? Kelp? I put a half a teaspoon of crushed egg shells with his breakfast meal, which consists of oatmeal, milk, honey, brewer's yeast, kelp, oil. He's not very fond of this first meal of the day, I'm sorry to say, but I never problems with our other dogs eating it. They ate ANYTHING!

Our vet has also told me several times already, that Marley is gaining too much too fast, even though I can easily feel his rib cage. Before he eats you can clearly see the indentation between rib cage and hips, so then I worry that he might not be getting enough.

Oh, and about his poop... I had the lovely experience of having small portions of poop from our adult dogs, and this pup sure does have large poops in between. Sometimes he poops three times in one outing! So I then think, gee, maybe I'm giving him too much!

He is now 13 week, 2 days, and weighs 15 kilos/33.7 lbs. We also live on the 2nd floor, so we carry him down 3 flights of stairs several times a day, so his joints won't be stressed from going up and down himself, but golly jeepers!! He's over 30 lbs! and I'm supposed to do this how long? He will go up and down on his own, if I let him, but I already had a dog with real bad HD on both of her hips, and with our other "then" pups, we also carried them up for the longest time.

I hope someone here can help me sort things out, so I can get my act together, and become more sure of myself that I'm doing it properly.

Sincerely,
Aldona with Sheldon the Sheltie, almost 7 yrs., Marley the GR, 13 weeks, Chinny the persian, 8 yrs (only likes tuna in a can and kibble)

Marley's stool is often quite dark. I've wondered how much dark stools should he have? Then he has some runny stool.

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around

http://mail.yahoo.com

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Messages in this topic (1)
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

6a. ground food
Posted by: "Ashley Myers" miragehairsalon@yahoo.com miragehairsalon
Date: Tue Oct 30, 2007 6:12 am ((PDT))

I was fortunate to find a raw supplier at a local farmers market who buys from Lancaster Pa.
Ihave three little dogs 15,11,& 5 lbs, all in good shape. Is it enough to feed them ground chicken necks and backs?They enjoy it but I'm concerned if they're getting enough or should I put more meat in?How about gizzards,liver,hearts?
He gave me some tripe,was anxious to try it but can't get past the smell! The dogs loved it, little yorkie was a bit skeptical. Cat not so much.
Thanks for your help, still learning.
Kitty

<a href="http://www.TickerFactory.com/">
<img border="0" src="http://tickers.TickerFactory.com/ezt/d/2;51;28/st/20060622/n/Curtis/k/80a7/age.png"></a>

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around

http://mail.yahoo.com

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Messages in this topic (2)
________________________________________________________________________

6b. Re: ground food
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Tue Oct 30, 2007 6:29 am ((PDT))

One of the greatest things about a prey model diet is that it acts as
natural toothbrush and floss for the dog when they rip tear and crunch
their food. Feeding ground food does nothing to keep their mouths
clean and healthy. Whole necks and backs need more meat added in like
gizzards or hearts. Stick with whole stuff and your dogs' mouths will
thank you.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Ashley Myers <miragehairsalon@...>
wrote:

> Is it enough to feed them ground chicken necks and backs?They enjoy
> it but I'm concerned if they're getting enough or should I put more
> meat in?How about gizzards,liver,hearts?

Messages in this topic (2)
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

7a. ADMIN/Re: Don't know if this is an allowable question????
Posted by: "babyboyfila1" babyboyfila1@yahoo.com babyboyfila1
Date: Tue Oct 30, 2007 6:26 am ((PDT))

thank you all.
I will keep feeding raw, they get plently of love, fresh air, clean
water and bye bye trips. LOL not to mention our bed space...ROFLMAO...
Dawn

Messages in this topic (8)
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

8a. Re: Newbi eIntro
Posted by: "jaygaughan" jaygaughan@yahoo.com jaygaughan
Date: Tue Oct 30, 2007 6:27 am ((PDT))

Please excuse me if I'm not familiar with the proper terminology just
yet Chris.

As a newbie to raw feeding I kind of associated all raw feeding with
BARF (Bone And Raw Food).

As I stated I am getting another Great Dane. So ground up meats or
little chicken necks won't be necessary. Although my breeder did
start the litter out with ground meat from what she told me.

Grain and fruits are not in my plans but it seems all my dogs have
enjoyed some veggies. I enjoy gardening and one of my other Danes
used to pick his own green beans every time I was in the garden with
him.

"What we prefer to discuss and prefer to feed is whole prey or
practical representations thereof"

I'm a little lost on this part. Whole prey and practical
representation??? Are you telling me you feed whole chickens with
feathers or a full size Doe to your dogs? I didn't get that from the
heading on this site. Is there any guidelines here I can read up on?

Jay

Messages in this topic (3)
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

All information on this list represents personal opinion only. By staying on this list, you agree to never hold anyone from this list or associated with this list liable for any information posted through this list. You agree to take personal responsibility for your learning, and for personal responsibility for what you feed yourself, your family, and your dogs, cats, ferrets, or any other animal that lives under your care. If you don't agree, please unsubscribe immediately.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/

<*> Your email settings:
Digest Email | Traditional

<*> To change settings online go to:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/join

(Yahoo! ID required)

<*> To change settings via email:
mailto:rawfeeding-normal@yahoogroups.com
mailto:rawfeeding-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
rawfeeding-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:

http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

------------------------------------------------------------------------