[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12245

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Omega 3 Fish
From: Michelle Grabert

2a. 80/10/10 vs 'whole prey' -- Was: Re: Grass Eating -- MINE TOO!!
From: alexanderdewey
2b. 80/10/10 vs 'whole prey' -- Was: Re: Grass Eating -- MINE TOO!!
From: Laurie Swanson

3a. Re: New Puppy Vomiting
From: nkjvcjs

4a. Re: Pregnancy question again
From: Bordomom@verizon.net

5a. Re: First chicken thigh...serious issue?
From: carnesbill
5b. Re: First chicken thigh...serious issue?
From: shefy gupta

6. Re: starting a puppy on RAW
From: Michael Moore

7a. 5 Dogs New to Raw Two Weeks
From: Stephanie
7b. Re: 5 Dogs New to Raw Two Weeks
From: Laurie Swanson
7c. Re: 5 Dogs New to Raw Two Weeks
From: moemahood@aol.com
7d. Re: 5 Dogs New to Raw Two Weeks
From: cynthiashankman

8a. Re: Grass Eating -- MINE TOO!!
From: alexanderdewey
8b. Re: Grass Eating -- MINE TOO!!
From: ginny wilken

9.1. Re: still swallowing whole
From: delcaste
9.2. Re: still swallowing whole
From: Belinda van de Loo

10a. Not a noob but i need help!
From: bel_the
10b. Re: Not a noob but i need help!
From: bluegracepwd
10c. Re: Not a noob but i need help!
From: connie

11a. kangaroo meat
From: doreenchui
11b. Re: kangaroo meat
From: bluegracepwd
11c. Re: kangaroo meat
From: addicted 2 my pc
11d. Re: kangaroo meat
From: doreenchui
11e. Re: kangaroo meat
From: doreenchui

12. Why is my dog feasting on concrete?
From: annartisan

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1a. Omega 3 Fish
Posted by: "Michelle Grabert" chalienme@yahoo.com chalienme
Date: Mon Nov 5, 2007 9:02 pm ((PST))

EDITED BY MODERATOR. PLEASE CHANGE THE SUBJECT LINE WHEN THE TOPIC CHANGES.

Can someone tell me if ALL types of fish contain the omegas or just certain types?? thankyou, Michelle

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2a. 80/10/10 vs 'whole prey' -- Was: Re: Grass Eating -- MINE TOO!!
Posted by: "alexanderdewey" alexanderdewey@yahoo.com alexanderdewey
Date: Mon Nov 5, 2007 9:03 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Sandee Lee" <rlee@...> wrote:
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> Alex,
>
> I think Cindi's concern (and rightly so) is that if you are
>feeding mainly chicken and have not begun adding red meat and
>organs, you are missing out on meat and variety. Whole prey would
>include feathers, head, innards, etc....when feeding processed
>chickens, you are looking at around 32% bone.

Hi Sandee,

Oh my, 32% bone! I didn't know that, thanks!!

As far as the organs, I neglected to mention that I do feed her the
heart and gizzard too. Since we've only been raw feeding for 5
weeks, liver is being VERRRY slowly and successfully introduced (I
give perhaps a quarter of the liver per chicken).
And "successfully" = NO DIARREAH :)

I'd be interested in eventually getting Gigi WHOLE chicken (with
feathers, and head). I'm curious though, would a whole chicken then
consist of the 80/10/10 split?? What about a whole rabbit? Is
typical small whole prey for a wolf or wild dog 80/10/10? Or, in
other words, is the "whole prey" philosophy different than
80/10/10? If so, which in your opinion should I try best to follow?

And, in nature would they really get as much variety as my butcher
has to offer? I'm sure they'd eat a wide variety of smaller
animals, but I mainly mean COW, PIG, GOAT and other large animals
which I could only imagine a wild dog or wolf would rarely get to
eat (and certainly not "whole", right?).

> This is why we continually recommend adding variety, meat and
organs as soon as possible.

I'm looking forward to expanding our horizons and spoiling Gigi with
all sorts of gastrointestinal delights, but at only 5 weeks into raw
feeding (and with me going out of town tomorrow) - I'm taking it
real slow...

Alex

Ps. on the original topic, Gigi got to eat a lot of grass - no
vomiting though - she's fast asleep :)

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2b. 80/10/10 vs 'whole prey' -- Was: Re: Grass Eating -- MINE TOO!!
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 12:39 am ((PST))

Hi Alex,

That didn't make sense to me a few yrs. ago either. I thought, there's
no way my dog could take down a cow, so that doesn't seem like his
natural diet! But dogs are almost wolves--basically the same
digestively--which would hunt in packs and kill mostly large game. So,
it seems their ideal diet is as close to that as you can feed (elk,
deer, beef, lamb, goat, pig). They would fill in with other items,
depending on the availability of food, and the locale they're in (fish,
rabbit, mice, fowl, etc.). Variety helps make up for lack of ideal
foods (wild game) which most of us don't always have a lot of access to.

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "alexanderdewey"
<alexanderdewey@...> wrote:
>> And, in nature would they really get as much variety as my butcher
> has to offer? I'm sure they'd eat a wide variety of smaller
> animals, but I mainly mean COW, PIG, GOAT and other large animals
> which I could only imagine a wild dog or wolf would rarely get to
> eat (and certainly not "whole", right?).

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3a. Re: New Puppy Vomiting
Posted by: "nkjvcjs" nefreed@gmail.com nkjvcjs
Date: Mon Nov 5, 2007 9:04 pm ((PST))

> In my experience, if the organs have begun
> to "shut down" due to lack of food/water, food may actually cause
> more
> damage. I would not have fed her until I could get her in to a vet to
> make sure!
> April
> >
>

Oh. Good point. I guess I should have thought of that. We only gave
her boneless, skinless chicken breast, so I hope it didn;t do too much
damage.

Going in to the vet helped some. The vet put her on IV fluids, and is
keeping her overnight, so hopefully we will have some answers in the
morning.

Thanks so much to everyone.

-Nicole, Eileen and Tallulah Belle

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4a. Re: Pregnancy question again
Posted by: "Bordomom@verizon.net" Bordomom@verizon.net redmaskboy
Date: Mon Nov 5, 2007 9:05 pm ((PST))

Hi Dianne,
I talked with a friend who also breeds DDB's. She said one of her bitches stopped eating bone the last couple weeks before she whelped, but ate them with gusto after. She whelped 8 pups and the other bitch had 10. All 18 pups were weaned on raw. They all look fabulous.

Good Luck!!
Wendy

Thanks for the advice, Tina! I tried pork tongue last night and she
wolfed it down. So now we have beef heart, organ meats, venison, and
pork tongue that she will eat. I'm feeling better about the variety.
Do I need to worry because she won't eat hardly any bone?

Dianne M.

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5a. Re: First chicken thigh...serious issue?
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Mon Nov 5, 2007 9:05 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "costrowski75" <Chriso75@...>
wrote:
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> There's the pyloric valve between the stomach and
> the duodenum and the valves at the upper and lower ends of the
> esophagus.

Yes, yes, yes, yes. When I say the stomach is closed, I mean the
valves are closed. I knew we were talking about the same thing but
we were using different words.

> How is this possible if the digestive system is one open tube
> as you suggest?

Thats exactly the question I asked and said if it were open,
bloating would be like trying to blow up a baloon with holes in each
end. I didn't suggest it was an open tube. You were the one saying
it couldn't close. I said if it couldn't close, bloat was
impossible.

> Clearly we are referring to different sources, nothing I've read
> indicates the tube can be passed through the twisted tissue.

I saw a program on the Emergency Vets on Animal Planet one time when
a Dane was bloating. They made an incision through his side and
stuck a tube into his stomach through the incision to relieve the
pressure. I don't remember if torsion was involved in that case or
not. I just remember being amazed that they could do that.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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5b. Re: First chicken thigh...serious issue?
Posted by: "shefy gupta" shefy7@yahoo.com shefy7
Date: Mon Nov 5, 2007 9:59 pm ((PST))

there is bacteria in the digestive system that's responsible for creating gas. i think when it gets out of balance (ie when the bad bacteria overwhelms the good) it creates more gas.

kinda like SIBO...google it, it might make sense...

snowy burps sometimes when he eats too much too fast...just like humans!

i hope your dog is ok :)

shefy and snowy

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6. Re: starting a puppy on RAW
Posted by: "Michael Moore" m-tak@sbcglobal.net annemoore2000
Date: Mon Nov 5, 2007 9:05 pm ((PST))

>>Like I said, he is 10 weeks old and he is 18 lbs. He is
> a red doberman male and will probably weigh 85-90 lbs when grown. <<

My Corgi pups were weaned to raw, and they were lots smaller than this Dobie pup. I smashed nothing, ground nothing. I *did* ribbon the chicken on the bone-in breasts for about a week so they'd have something to grab onto. I suggest that there's no need to grind or smash for this fella -- bet he figures it out very quickly.

-- Anne and the M-Tak PWC and one goofy GSD rescue and a silly Golden rescue in NW Ohio

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7a. 5 Dogs New to Raw Two Weeks
Posted by: "Stephanie" Sgagos@aol.com sgagos69
Date: Mon Nov 5, 2007 9:06 pm ((PST))

Hi, all, I posted a few days ago about my five dogs and my concern with
one, who is not adjusting well at all, but no one responded. So I'm
going to repost, the section with some of the updates on what I'm
doing. Just to recap my previous post, I have five dogs, one
chihuahua, three beagles and a springer mix. The beagles are loving
it, the chihuahua, the oldest is adjusting but has periodic diarrhea,
the springer mix is not interested at all.

The springer mix is not enjoying it at all. I'm having the most
difficulty with her. I give her a leg, she takes it and drops it on
the ground. I give her a piece of chicken, she walks away with it and
spits it out. If it has bone in it she might eat it. She's hardly
eating, well at least not the amount she should be eating. She likes
gizzards, bone by itself and some pieces of chicken with bone, but
lately not even that. I've resorted to giving a bit of ground turkey
since she wasn't eating hardly at all. I feel like she's not getting
enough meat.
She is totally disinterested, doesn't seem to be salivating when the
food comes out,nothing. I've tried giving her food with the others
around and without. Recently I put a bit of parmesan cheese on the
meat, it worked for the first couple of pieces then she wasn't
interested anymore. She doesn't like fish much, except sardines. I so
want her to take a big piece and go out in the yard
and rip it up like the beagles, but it's like she doesn't dare. She's a
bit of a nervous eater. She likes to play with her food. She used to
bring to pieces of kibble out to the living room and leave them there.
Now she's doing this thing with her nose, like she's trying to cover
the piece of meat, bury it or something in the living room.

Also how many times a week should they have fish and eggs? Are the eggs
necessary?
Thanks,
Stephanie

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7b. Re: 5 Dogs New to Raw Two Weeks
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 12:39 am ((PST))

Hi Stephanie,

How old is she? Are her teeth in good shape? Is she healthy?

She might be one that needs a bit of gradual working up to things.
Does she like the ground meat? If so, she might want easy food or be
daunted by more challenging items. You could go from ground to
chopped pieces, to ribboned, etc. And maybe feed items on the
smaller side (not choking hazards, but not too big).

You also may be creating a picky eater by changing things up every
time. She might be learning that if she doesn't eat, you'll come up
with something else. So if she holds out, there might be something
better coming. If this is the case, pick something you think she'll
eat and serve it each meal until she eats it. You can search the
archives for picky eaters, too.

Chicken is on the blander side, but it is usually good, digestively
speaking, in the beginning. So you'll have to do what you think is
best--try another meat, or get tougher with the chicken.

Eggs aren't necessary--have you tried them? They tend to loosen the
stool, so be careful in the beginning. Some people give them daily;
I only give them very occasionally.

She also may be picking up on your anxiety. Try not to make this a
big deal. Be as nonchalant as possible. Don't worry--we'll help
you, and she is eating some, so she's not going to starve.

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Stephanie" <Sgagos@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, all, I posted a few days ago about my five dogs and my concern
with
> one, who is not adjusting well at all, but no one responded. So I'm
> going to repost, the section with some of the updates on what I'm
> doing. Just to recap my previous post, I have five dogs, one
> chihuahua, three beagles and a springer mix. The beagles are
loving
> it, the chihuahua, the oldest is adjusting but has periodic
diarrhea,
> the springer mix is not interested at all.
>
> The springer mix is not enjoying it at all. I'm having the most
> difficulty with her. I give her a leg, she takes it and drops it on
> the ground. I give her a piece of chicken, she walks away with it
and
> spits it out. If it has bone in it she might eat it. She's hardly
> eating, well at least not the amount she should be eating. She likes
> gizzards, bone by itself and some pieces of chicken with bone, but
> lately not even that. I've resorted to giving a bit of ground
turkey
> since she wasn't eating hardly at all. I feel like she's not
getting
> enough meat.
> She is totally disinterested, doesn't seem to be salivating when
the
> food comes out,nothing. I've tried giving her food with the others
> around and without. Recently I put a bit of parmesan cheese on the
> meat, it worked for the first couple of pieces then she wasn't
> interested anymore. She doesn't like fish much, except sardines.
I so
> want her to take a big piece and go out in the yard
> and rip it up like the beagles, but it's like she doesn't dare.
She's a
> bit of a nervous eater. She likes to play with her food. She used
to
> bring to pieces of kibble out to the living room and leave them
there.
> Now she's doing this thing with her nose, like she's trying to
cover
> the piece of meat, bury it or something in the living room.
>
> Also how many times a week should they have fish and eggs? Are the
eggs
> necessary?
> Thanks,
> Stephanie
>

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7c. Re: 5 Dogs New to Raw Two Weeks
Posted by: "moemahood@aol.com" moemahood@aol.com selfemployedhealth
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 4:58 am ((PST))

Hi,

I must have missed your previous message.? I am sure others will have answers, but here is what I would do.

As long as she is otherwise healthy and can stand a few days of fast -- I would feed her separate from the other dogs -- to take away any intimidation factor.? First put her meal down, give her 20 minutes to eat and then pick up whatever she doesn't eat.? Repeat until she eats.? A healthy dog will eat when they are hungry.? She will not starve herself.? Also, make sure you walk her plenty each day to build up an appetite.

Right now she is training you on what is acceptable as a meal -- and it should be the other way around -- you provide the meal, she eats it gratefully.

Good luck, Maureen

*****The springer mix is not enjoying it at all. I'm having the most
difficulty with her. I give her a leg, she takes it and drops it on
the ground. I give her a piece of chicken, she walks away with it and
spits it out. If it has bone in it she might eat it. She's hardly
eating, well at least not the amount she should be eating. She likes
gizzards, bone by itself and some pieces of chicken with bone, but
lately not even that. I've resorted to giving a bit of ground turkey
since she wasn't eating hardly at all. I feel like she's not getting
enough meat.
She is totally disinterested, doesn't seem to be salivating when the
food comes out,nothing.*******

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7d. Re: 5 Dogs New to Raw Two Weeks
Posted by: "cynthiashankman" ShankMa4@aol.com cynthiashankman
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 5:51 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Stephanie" <Sgagos@...> wrote:

> She is totally disinterested, doesn't seem to be salivating when
the
> food comes out,nothing.

Hi Stephanie,

I'd like to share my experience as a fellow newbie. I went through
the same thing as you are experiencing when I started. My dog ate
the chicken a few times, but then refused it. In my case his energy
went down. I did suffer from worry as you are speaking about. My
thoughts were ... "what is wrong here? I am providing the finest of
foods for him. Is he going to get sick from not eating?" After 10
days of this disappointment at his not embracing this new way of
eating I was getting ready to give up. THEN... I fed him some beef,
shredded, and then I tried a pork neck.

Well ... my dog came back to life. He was so happy to be eating.
His energy went up. His tail was wagging. He did like his new raw
food after all! He just didn't want that chicken. Since that time,
and after feeding turkey, goat, rabbit, beef, pork (must admit here
that I feed cut up meat ~in addition to bone-in meat~), which was
about 5 weeks, I (nervously) tried chicken again. He ate it. So now
I use chicken sparingly, but I do use it, and he does eat it now.

I will tell you, my dog, before raw, was a picky eater like yours. He
refused meal all the time. But since figuring out that he didn't
like the chicken, he has not refused a single meal. I still get
that "uh-oh-is-he-going-to-eat-feeling?", but he eats every time. In
fact, I don't think he has refused a meal yet. Even the
aforementioned dreaded chicken was eaten once re-introduced 5 weeks
into other meats.

Morale of the story: I guess my dog just didn't like chicken. Try
something else. Red meat will probably get his attention.

Cindi

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8a. Re: Grass Eating -- MINE TOO!!
Posted by: "alexanderdewey" alexanderdewey@yahoo.com alexanderdewey
Date: Mon Nov 5, 2007 9:07 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "costrowski75" <Chriso75@...>
wrote:
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> It's okay for her to eat grass as long as the grass is safe to
eat. Can you buy a couple chunks of sod and build her her very own
grazing area? I don't think lettuce cuts it, actually. My border
collie occasionally wades into the Bermuda grass for a good graze
but will only tolerate so much left over salad. I suspect a good
blade of grass is better than a lettuce leaf.

HEY CHRIS,

I don't even have to test lettuce, Like everything else, I know
she'll eat it... But... Now I'm totally confused.. So, a dog
eating grass is normal? In the wild, do they do it or not?

You ready for this... Don't yell at me in ALLCAPS now, but in that
case, couldn't I just get a little veggie then (puree'd or not), and
feed it to her once in a while to satisfy this desire of hers
(whether based on nutritional need or not). Could it do any harm if
it's not taking the place of her normal meals (ie: no decrease in
meats).

> Since eating grass can be an anxiety reponse

Intersting to know... If anything in her surroundings had changed
recently, I'd consider that as a possibility.

>as well as sign of
> digestive discomfort

Which is what I'm worried about.

>--and can also be fun or feel good

She's trying too obsessively.

>or is a antidote
> for boredom

This is a very sudden (within the last week) thing where she's
pulling like crazy to any blade of grass sticking up between the
concrete during brisk walks... I don't think its boredom. Or
stalling for that matter. Normally when she stalls, it's at the
corners of my block where she'll put on the breaks and look at me as
if to say "Come on daddy, lets cross this way and go to the beach!!"

--it's hard to know she does it. So IMO the best thing to
> do would be to find her some safe grass.

You meant "It's hard to know WHY she does it" right? Cause I DO
KNOW if she does it. lol. Well, I found some safe (I hope) grass
and let her go to work on it tonight. Now she's sleeping but
tomorrow we'll see if she's satisfied, throws up, or whatever.

Alex

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8b. Re: Grass Eating -- MINE TOO!!
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Mon Nov 5, 2007 11:17 pm ((PST))

On Nov 5, 2007, at 5:38 PM, alexanderdewey wrote:

> The fact is, Gigi is known to eat
> ANYTHING that will fit in her mouth. From the edible (lettuce,
> black olives, frito's) to the not so edible (plastic, wood, even
> pebbles - as in small rocks - not the cerial)

Time, perhaps, to mention that eating inappropriate or inedible
objects is a strong sign of rabies vaccinosis, treatable by
homeopathy. There would be other symptoms, mostly likely, so you
could cross-check for the complete and obvious picture.

ginny and Tomo

All stunts performed without a net!

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9.1. Re: still swallowing whole
Posted by: "delcaste" delcaste@yahoo.com delcaste
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 12:39 am ((PST))

> Hi Silvina,
> Sorry if i missed something along the way, but why are you afraid she
> will keel over? KathyM

Because she's been choking on her food three times in a week. My
mistake but this sure is a hard way to learn.

Silvina

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9.2. Re: still swallowing whole
Posted by: "Belinda van de Loo" auntielindyloo@yahoo.com belindavandeloo
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 5:51 am ((PST))

Hi Silvina,
Just adding my 2 cents worth here because I have a dog with a similar
problem...
We have 3 dogs here and my dog is alpha (after me, that is). He gets
so excited about his food that he will swallow and gulp it down whole.
He also can swallow air and bloat a bit during the meal because of the
excitement and competition.
Just last week I finally ask a dog trainer what I could do to help him
with his eating habits. Her advice was to leave the food out on the
counter until the dogs settle and calm down. By waiting until they do
this I am communicating what I want and expect from the dogs during
feeding time. Secondly, I should take my dog into another room to feed
him. By removing the competition he slows down considerably. This has
already helped the situation considerably.
Because we've had a couple choking episodes, I cut his meat chunks down
when I can't give him larger bone/meat chunks. On questionable sized
bones, I attach a vice grip to one end, forcing him to slow down and
crush, chew the bone with meat.
Hope this helps!
Belinda and "Honey" from Holland

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10a. Not a noob but i need help!
Posted by: "bel_the" bel_the@yahoo.com bel_the
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 12:39 am ((PST))

my dal and pitbull were in raw diet since two months old and i have no
problems about it. recently i got a new 2 month old belgian mal and
wont eat raw.

i introduced whole chicken wing. do i have to grind it? or introduce
another part?

I'm into raw for a year now and this is the first time i got probelms.

thanks.

BEL

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10b. Re: Not a noob but i need help!
Posted by: "bluegracepwd" janea@tpg.com.au bluegracepwd
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 2:09 am ((PST))

Hi Bel,

congrats on the new puppy. Sometimes it can take a bit to get a new
pup into raw, particularly if they have never been exposed to it.

Perhaps try some meatier section first, and see how you go.

Also, if you can feed the pup in the vicinity of the older dogs,
this can help them get the idea that it's food. On the other hand,
feeding a pup in the presence of others can freak the pup out, and
then put them off their food.

It's unlikely he'll hold out for long.

And no, I wouldn't grind.

I have 2 week old pups at the moment. In three weeks time, they
will be given their first whole prey - whole rabbit. Yes, we'll
open it up for them, but I'll send pics!

cheers

Jane
www.bluegrace.com

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10c. Re: Not a noob but i need help!
Posted by: "connie" justbullies@hotmail.com bullienut
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 4:37 am ((PST))

>
> I'm into raw for a year now and this is the first time i got probelms.
>
> thanks.
>
> BEL

Hi Bel,
I just weaned a new litter onto raw..and if he is only 8 weeks I would
start with a little ground..no bone at first. 8 week old puppies are
usually very hungary come feeding time.And ground is a litle more
appealing and not intimidating. You can also mix it with a little goats
milk at first as my puppies went nuts over goats milk. I startd with
ground turkey/chicken then beef. After a week of that I started with
cornish hens and worked upto chicken chunks. They don`t need much bone
at all at this point. My pups are now just about 8 weeks and they eat
everything and anything. Including table scraps.And one feeding a day
is still ground. Even tho your pup is 8 weeks at this time I would
start from the beginning...and with something really tasty..like a bit
of goats milk ect. Maybe lightly sear the meat to bring out the flavor
a bit.
~connie~
and a bunch of bullies
www.justbullies.com

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11a. kangaroo meat
Posted by: "doreenchui" doreenchui@yeos.com doreenchui
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 1:40 am ((PST))

can I feed just like any other red meat?
Doreen

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11b. Re: kangaroo meat
Posted by: "bluegracepwd" janea@tpg.com.au bluegracepwd
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 2:06 am ((PST))

Hi Doreen,

we have access to kangaroo every now and again. It's high in protein
and a bit gamey. My dogs aren't a big fan. Be careful if you buy it
in the pet food section of the supermarket because it does often come
with some nasty preservatives. So check out the label before hand.

I now have access to fresh kangaroo, which is fantastic.

cheers

Jane
... clearly from Australia.

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11c. Re: kangaroo meat
Posted by: "addicted 2 my pc" mmoy1191@tpg.com.au jmoylan1952
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 2:09 am ((PST))

Yes for sure, my two dogs have been eating roo meat for over 3 years now,
they love it and its super for them not to fatty. I get the mince roo, i just buy it buy the kilos and divide it up on their plates, usually i throw in the liver or hearts or kidneys when its just mince,
Jen
----- Original Message -----
From: doreenchui
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 8:03 PM
Subject: [rawfeeding] kangaroo meat

can I feed just like any other red meat?
Doreen

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11d. Re: kangaroo meat
Posted by: "doreenchui" doreenchui@yeos.com doreenchui
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 5:50 am ((PST))

i tried giving, he refused although he's hungry.
Doreen
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "addicted 2 my pc" <mmoy1191@...>
wrote:
>
> Yes for sure, my two dogs have been eating roo meat for over 3
years now,
> they love it and its super for them not to fatty. I get the mince
roo, i just buy it buy the kilos and divide it up on their plates,
usually i throw in the liver or hearts or kidneys when its just
mince,
> Jen
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: doreenchui
> To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 8:03 PM
> Subject: [rawfeeding] kangaroo meat
>
>
> can I feed just like any other red meat?
> Doreen
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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11e. Re: kangaroo meat
Posted by: "doreenchui" doreenchui@yeos.com doreenchui
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 5:51 am ((PST))

I got mine frozen from Australia. It's for human consumption. He's not
game for it. All my effort searching for this high protein meat gone to
waste.
Doreen
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "bluegracepwd" <janea@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Doreen,
>
> we have access to kangaroo every now and again. It's high in protein
> and a bit gamey. My dogs aren't a big fan. Be careful if you buy it
> in the pet food section of the supermarket because it does often come
> with some nasty preservatives. So check out the label before hand.
>
> I now have access to fresh kangaroo, which is fantastic.
>
> cheers
>
> Jane
> ... clearly from Australia.
>

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12. Why is my dog feasting on concrete?
Posted by: "annartisan" annartisan@yahoo.com annartisan
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 2:51 am ((PST))

I spent hours researching diets and was absolutely convinced raw is
best. Our puppy has been doing well on it: he thoroughly enjoys his
meals, has been gaining weight at a healthy rate, etc. But last week
he decided to add some concrete aggregate to his diet. He threw up
all night and at one point there was an inch-and-a-half piece of
concrete aggregate that came up and which he immediately put his paw
over to hide from us. Bizarre, but that's really what he seemed to be
doing.

We took him to the local vet hospital on Thursday because he was still
hacking and acting like he needed to get something out of his system.
He collapsed in the waiting room and they had to rush him back and
start IV fluids. We were told the next day that he looked as though
he wouldn't survive till morning, but he did and surprised everyone by
being spunky as all get out in the yard. Our instructions as they
released him were to feed him very small amounts of Hill's ID (a
quarter of a 12 oz can every four to six hours) for two days, then to
gradually reintroduce him to his regular diet.

I followed their instruction for about 24 hours, but when the poor boy
was outside eating dirt, pinecones, twigs, etc, I decided
!@#$!@ that and dumped a pound of deer meat into his bowl. And gave
him a chicken leg quarter a few hours later. And ya know what? He
STILL wasn't satisfied. Brought in yet another pinecone and was
determined to consume it.

Our dog is NOT underweight at all. Does anyone have any clue why he
is so voracious that he will eat anything just for the fun of eating it?

Ann

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