[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12247

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Husband thinks dog is still hungry
From: mmc2315
1b. Re: Husband thinks dog is still hungry
From: Andrea
1c. Re: Husband thinks dog is still hungry
From: carnesbill

2a. Re: Daily diet plan
From: great_dane_devotee
2b. Re: Daily diet plan
From: K. Gordon Crawford
2c. Re: Daily diet plan
From: carnesbill
2d. Re: Daily diet plan
From: Shelly

3a. 80/10/10 vs 'whole prey' -- Was: Re: Grass Eating -- MINE TOO!!
From: katkellm
3b. 80/10/10 vs 'whole prey' -- Was: Re: Grass Eating -- MINE TOO!!
From: Pamela Picard

4. Re: Pit fight and still swallowing whole..
From: doggirl1@earthlink.net

5a. Recreational bones (was Re: Why is my dog feasting on concrete?)
From: mmc2315
5b. Recreational bones (was Re: Why is my dog feasting on concrete?)
From: carnesbill
5c. Wreck bones (was Re: Why is my dog feasting on concrete?)
From: Andrea

6.1. Re: swallows whole
From: jaygaughan

7a. Re: Why is my dog feasting on concrete?
From: carnesbill
7b. Re: Why is my dog feasting on concrete?
From: ginny wilken

8. Location: Eastern Washington/Northern Idaho
From: macluerssen

9a. Re: kangaroo meat
From: Andrea

10a. Re: Anyone raise rabbits for feed?
From: jaygaughan
10b. Re: Anyone raise rabbits for feed?
From: jennifer_hell

11a. Re: Pregnancy question again
From: Tina Berry

12a. Re: How much rabbit,how much venison?
From: Tina Berry

13a. Re: challenges!
From: jaygaughan

14.1. Re: still swallowing whole
From: ginny wilken

15a. Re: 5 Dogs New to Raw Two Weeks
From: Sgagos@aol.com

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1a. Husband thinks dog is still hungry
Posted by: "mmc2315" m.chelap@sbcglobal.net mmc2315
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 6:38 am ((PST))

Hi all,

First week of feeding raw here. Still on chicken.

Our adult 10# Cairn Terrier mix is getting part of a chicken quarter, once a day.

The first day we fed him raw, I gave him the entire chicken quarter and he ate the whole
thing. Listmates kindly pointed out that was 3 days worth of food. :)

Since then, we've cut the chicken quarter into thirds, and feed him a third each day.

Dh is worried that the dog seems "constantly hungry and wants more". I'm saying we
don't want an overweight dog, and feeding once a day should be okay, and 2-3% of ideal
body weight is what we are shooting for.

Dh is also worried about eventually fasting the dog. Do we feed him a bigger meal the
day before a fast? Do most people fast the dog once a week?

Thanks,

Michelle

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1b. Re: Husband thinks dog is still hungry
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 7:23 am ((PST))

The little dogs often need more than 3% of their adult body weight, so
your hubby might have a good point. I've always been a fan of letting
the dog tell you how much they should eat. Some dogs simply won't
regulate themselves, but lots do fine if you just let them. That said,
lots of dogs act like they are staaaarving the first few weeks of a
real diet. It won't hurt to let him eat a little more than usual for
the time being. If he starts to get pudgy just cut back the amount of
food.

> Dh is also worried about eventually fasting the dog. Do we feed him
> a bigger meal the day before a fast?

I don't believe in arbitrarily fasting a dog just to fast them. My
dogs are always offered large food and if they eat two day's worth in
one sitting I just don't feed them the next day. During the summer my
GSP chose to eat small meals every day, but now that it is getting
colder he is starting to eat larger quantities. Some people or dogs
aren't fans of the idea of big food/no food days, that's ok too.

Andrea

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1c. Re: Husband thinks dog is still hungry
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 7:26 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "mmc2315" <m.chelap@...> wrote:
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> Our adult 10# Cairn Terrier mix is getting part of a
> chicken quarter, once a day.
>
> Dh is worried that the dog seems "constantly hungry and
> wants more".

And DH may be right, however the determining factor on the volume of
food to feed is the dogs build, not whether he is acting hungry.
Thin is MUCH healthier than fat. You will be able to tell in a few
weeks whether he is gaining or loosing weight and adjust volume
accordingly.

> Dh is also worried about eventually fasting the dog. Do we
> feed him a bigger meal the day before a fast?

I have never fasted a dog in my life but if I felt it necessary to
do so, yes, I would feed a larger meal the day before. I have never
been convinced that fasting accomplishes anything physically or
mentally.

> Do most people fast the dog once a week?

I don't think so. I think very few people fast their dogs. Some
people here only feed their dogs every other day or so but I don't
consider that fasting.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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2a. Re: Daily diet plan
Posted by: "great_dane_devotee" libpowers@mac.com great_dane_devotee
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 6:38 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "K. Gordon Crawford" <kgcrawford@...> wrote:
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> so you'll see that the
> proposed menu is 2.5 lbs per day.
>
> I feed my 125 pound dog 2-2.5 pounds of food a day (she ought to be 120), so as far as
the amount goes I think you should cut way back.

However, the mix seems like a nice variety, and the stools are always a good indicator.

Libby

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2b. Re: Daily diet plan
Posted by: "K. Gordon Crawford" kgcrawford@gmail.com kgcrawfordesq
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 7:25 am ((PST))

Do a lot of the big dog owners find that the 2% - 3% guidline skews a
little high for their needs? for her my 2% - 3% would be 2.4 - 3.6 lbs. 2
lbs is more like 1.5%.

And to clarify, she's not completely obese, just heafty and I can't tell if
thats just her breed and how she should look or she is overweight. (I don't
find many purebred bullmastiffs around to compare) But I have been cuttting
back lately and someone commented at the dog park last night that she looked
thinner.

thanks again

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> K. Gordon Crawford
>

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2c. Re: Daily diet plan
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 7:34 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "K. Gordon Crawford"
<kgcrawford@...> wrote:
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> I had been giving
> about 3 + lbs per day, which may be two mutch - so you'll see
> that the proposed menu is 2.5 lbs per day.

I still think you are too hung up on numbers. I have never weighed
my dog's food and don't have a clue how much I feed them
weightwise. I feed either one chicken quarter or two, one turkey
neck or two, two chicken backs or three, one turkey wing or two,
etc. If one dog is getting a little heavy she gets less food until
her build returns to what it should be. If one is a little skinny,
she will get larger meals until she builds back up. If they get a
meal that feels a little heavy, next meal will be lighter.

> I just also thought that I may have been
> giving too much bone (though there are no stool problems) and
> want that corrected.

If not stool problems, I wouldn't worry about bone amount. Bone
amount is not critical. You can feed 5% bone or 35% bone and you or
your dog won't know the difference.

Dogs are all individuals. Trying to meet some hypotheitcal standard
in food just isn't practical. You just have to judge your dog by
appearance and activity level to determine what this particular
dog's needs are. A little more or a little less of anything in the
diet just doesn't matter. Just as it doesn't matter in your own
diet.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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2d. Re: Daily diet plan
Posted by: "Shelly" StuartLittle@comcast.net stuartjeanlittle
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 8:09 am ((PST))

It does for one of my dogs... I think it depends on the activity level of the
dog. I have three, and my biggest girl, Lady (Rhodesian Ridgeback / Lab mix)
weighs about 110 lbs. She is not thin, but not obese either. She only eats
about two lbs a day at the very most. My pointer (Galaway) and border collie
(Trixie) eat significanly more for their size, but they are also more active.
When we go on our mile and a half walk, Lady pretty much walks with me, the
other two probably put in 4 miles running all over the place, and the border
collie gets additional exercise chasing after a frisbee a few hundred times a
day (she eats a little less than Lady, but only weighs 45 lbs, so around 3 -
4% for her because she's so active, it's almost impossible to wear that dog
out).

Shelly

On Tuesday 06 November 2007 10:12, K. Gordon Crawford wrote:
Do a lot of the big dog owners find that the 2% - 3% guidline skews a
little high for their needs?

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3a. 80/10/10 vs 'whole prey' -- Was: Re: Grass Eating -- MINE TOO!!
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 6:38 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "katkellm" <katkellm@...> wrote:
> Follow this thread:

the second one should have been this link:

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/78287

KathyM

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3b. 80/10/10 vs 'whole prey' -- Was: Re: Grass Eating -- MINE TOO!!
Posted by: "Pamela Picard" pet.wellness@yahoo.com pet.wellness
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 7:25 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "katkellm" <katkellm@...> wrote:
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> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "alexanderdewey"
> <alexanderdewey@> wrote:
> > I'd be interested in eventually getting Gigi WHOLE chicken (with
> > feathers, and head). I'm curious though, would a whole chicken then
> > consist of the 80/10/10 split?? What about a whole rabbit? Is
> > typical small whole prey for a wolf or wild dog 80/10/10? Or, in
> > other words, is the "whole prey" philosophy different than
> > 80/10/10? If so, which in your opinion should I try best to follow?
>
***

If you think along the lines of whole prey as "what would a wolf eat,"
then you'd be thinking they would vary small game with large game as
their pack hunting, region and seasons permitted. So rabbit, which is
bony meat, would be varied with elk, moose, deer, antelope and like
that. Chicken would not be on the menu as a rule.

Getting the "perfect prey" is difficult for me so I judge the right
amount of bone to meat ratio by my dog's poop. When it is well-formed,
moist and easy to pass, then I've got the proportion right. When it is
hard, crumbly and difficult, too much bone. When it is black, tarry,
too much organ meat and fat. Makes life simpler.

Pamela Picard
http://www.pet-wellness-update.com
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4. Re: Pit fight and still swallowing whole..
Posted by: "doggirl1@earthlink.net" doggirl1@earthlink.net rowdycowgirl50
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 7:00 am ((PST))

Regarding the pittie..I am in rescue and have pit bulls and dogs in every nook and cranny...I am working with one of my returns who is suffering from rabies vaccinosis homeopathically which will cure the aggression. If you'd like to email me off the group, I'm willing to help you with your issue...Cindy doggirl1@earthlink.net

8.1.
Re: still swallowing whole
Posted by: "delcaste" delcaste@yahoo.com delcaste
Mon Nov 5, 2007 2:19 pm (PST)
Hi Connie. I'm writing you offline because I really don't know where
to put this. Yesterday my pit got in a fight with one of the pugs and
almost killed him. I have to get rid of the pit and wonder if you
knew of anybody that would take care of him or direct me to someone
or someplace that would take him. He's about 10 mos old (I found him
when he was 2 to 2 1/2) and a beauty. He's probably a mix of red nose
with ? It's tearing me up to give him up but I can't deal with a
fight again. This little pup is so strong all I could do was fall on
top of him and try to hold him down so he couldn't keep tearing at
Chunkie. You should see my hands; I used one of them as a breakstick,
ha, ha :(

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5a. Recreational bones (was Re: Why is my dog feasting on concrete?)
Posted by: "mmc2315" m.chelap@sbcglobal.net mmc2315
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 7:00 am ((PST))

Josh LaRue wrote:

> Does the dog have any recreational bones? The big knuckle bones would probably keep
>him busy chewing on that instead of other odd things.

Is a big knuckle bone appropriate for a smaller dog? We have a 10# adult Cairn Terrier mix.

What bone part, specifically, would I ask the butcher for? I'm thinking a recreational bone
might be a good thing for our little dog because he likes to munch on wood chips and usually
horks them up.

Thanks,

Michelle

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5b. Recreational bones (was Re: Why is my dog feasting on concrete?)
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 7:34 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "mmc2315" <m.chelap@...> wrote:
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> Is a big knuckle bone appropriate for a smaller dog? We have a
> 10# adult Cairn Terrier mix.

I don't think a big knuckle bone is appropriate for any dog of any
size. I suggest sticking to chew toys for your dog to chew(Nylabones,
Kongs, etc).

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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5c. Wreck bones (was Re: Why is my dog feasting on concrete?)
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 7:37 am ((PST))

Knuckle bones aren't really all that great for any dog, big or small.
The leg bones of big animals like cows have to be extremely dense in
order to hold all the weight. So dense that they are stronger than
your dog's teeth. That's why we call them "wreck" bones. There are
many items a dog can chew for fun that won't damage the teeth. Try
pig's feet or a kong stuffed with frozen hamburger.

Andrea

"mmc2315" <m.chelap@...> wrote:

> Is a big knuckle bone appropriate for a smaller dog?

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6.1. Re: swallows whole
Posted by: "jaygaughan" jaygaughan@yahoo.com jaygaughan
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 7:00 am ((PST))

Hi Mary. I'm glad your Dane is not having any issues with swallowing
large portions. Sounds like he's a very healthy eater. From all I've
been reading this is totally normal and as long as he's staying a
healthy size he's getting all he needs.

I'm getting my third Dane in a few weeks and he is my first to be fed
raw. Printing out every post that involves Danes and making a reference
folder just in case.

Quick question for BIG dog owners. How much is too much? Say I let my
Dane go at the hind quarter of a deer. Do I set a time limit, portion
amount, or just let him go until he fills up and stops feeding? Also if
you do this how offend do you give him a Thanksgiving type meal?

Thank you

Jay

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7a. Re: Why is my dog feasting on concrete?
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 7:25 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "annartisan" <annartisan@...>
wrote:
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> but when the poor boy
> was outside eating dirt, pinecones, twigs, etc, I decided
> !@#$!@ that and dumped a pound of deer meat into his bowl.

I too think this is boredome. Dogs use their mouths for play.
Afterall they don't have hands and fingers like we do. Also, eating
stuff is getting him a lot of attention. I'm sure he loves
attention and he is being rewarded with it each time he eats
something.

To cure this problem, you must take away his opportunity to eat
inappropriate items for a few months. You must watch him the whole
time and as soon as he tries to eat something he shouldn't
immediately take him inside and ignore him for 5 minutes. Don't
fuss at him. Don't scold him, just ignore him. Don't say anything
to him. He doesn't exist for 5 minutes. At the end of 5 minutes
just act like nothing has happened. Timing is critical. You must
act IMMEDIATELY the first instant he lowers his head toward
something inappropriate.

Make sure he has 3 or 5 toys, no more. Teach him that these are his
toys and nothing else other than food is to go into his mouth. The
toys should all have different textures. Something hard like a
Nylabone, something of medium hardness like a knotted rope,
something soft like a furry or rubber chew toy, and of course he
needs a Kong. :)

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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7b. Re: Why is my dog feasting on concrete?
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 9:27 am ((PST))

On Nov 6, 2007, at 2:22 AM, annartisan wrote:

>
> Our dog is NOT underweight at all. Does anyone have any clue why he
> is so voracious that he will eat anything just for the fun of
> eating it?
>
> Ann

I believe I addressed this yesterday. This is likely not a diet
issue, but one of compulsive consumption of inappropriate objects.
This is a huge sign of nerve damage from the rabies vaccine. Since
you say he is a pup, can we assume he has recently been vaccinated?
Even if not, this damage can be inherited from vaccinated parents.
Dirt, sticks, and rocks are common objects of obsession, and in fact
I still see this in my mostly cured old timer on occasion when he is
stressed.

I'd advise looking into homeopathy for this. If you'd take the topic
to Rawchat, perhaps we can go into detail.

ginny and Tomo

All stunts performed without a net!

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8. Location: Eastern Washington/Northern Idaho
Posted by: "macluerssen" macluerssen@yahoo.com macluerssen
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 7:26 am ((PST))

Hi everybody! We have friends who just slaughtered beef cows, and we
got a couple of livers, some tongue, kidney and heart for free. It's
a LOT of food...we're planning to pair it up for our 2 dogs with some
of the turkey we bought for under 60 cents/lb. this week! But it's
really more than we need. So I figured I'd post it on here, we live
in Spokane, Washington. Is there anybody on this list who lives
somewhat near here, who might want a bucket of liver? We cut it up
last night into 4-6 oz. chunks, and it's in the freezer right now.
Let me know if you're local and we'll meet up!

...geez, feels like some kind of bloody Mobster meeting or something...

Tina :)

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9a. Re: kangaroo meat
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 7:26 am ((PST))

Well, if you spent a lot of time tracking it down I'd say wait until
tomorrow and try again. He can't be that hungry if he's refusing the
food.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "doreenchui" <doreenchui@...> wrote:
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> i tried giving, he refused although he's hungry.
> Doreen

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10a. Re: Anyone raise rabbits for feed?
Posted by: "jaygaughan" jaygaughan@yahoo.com jaygaughan
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 8:09 am ((PST))

Thank you everyone for your replies.

Yes, I did think they bred like rabbits. I guess that's just a myth.

I thought it was going to be just me putting a few cages together and
letting them get to work multiplying.

Maybe I'll raise Raccoons. Those things seem to breed like crazy around
here. They ate our 3 Peeking ducks and this morning there were 6 of
them in my yard for breakfast. Couple hanging off my bird feeders
dropping hands full of seeds to their buddies.

Jay

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10b. Re: Anyone raise rabbits for feed?
Posted by: "jennifer_hell" jenniferhell@web.de jennifer_hell
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 8:47 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "jaygaughan" <jaygaughan@...> wrote:

> I thought it was going to be just me putting a few cages together and
> letting them get to work multiplying.
>
So you would try to keep and feed your dog species appropriate, while
keeping the rabbits totally inappropriate for their species? That's
just me, but for me that's plain wrong.
Sorry for the OT!!

Jennifer

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11a. Re: Pregnancy question again
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 8:47 am ((PST))

"Do I need to worry because she won't eat hardly any bone?"

A month out is a little early for her to reject bones; but I've gone a few
weeks with no bone before on pure venison with no issues. You can also give
whole eggs w/shell or bone meal - I may be concerned about lack of natural
bone for the milk production ?? anyone else have experience with bone
necessity a month before welping?
--
Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com

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12a. Re: How much rabbit,how much venison?
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 8:47 am ((PST))

"Also, how much and how often do people feed venison per week if there is a
large supply
available? (it's wonderful living in northern Mn.!)"

I feed 100% venison and a daily raw egg to my bunch - MT is wonderful
too!!! I through in a whole pheasant or grouse for variety (from my hunter
friends).
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Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com

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13a. Re: challenges!
Posted by: "jaygaughan" jaygaughan@yahoo.com jaygaughan
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 9:03 am ((PST))

Hi Andrea. I'm not looking to debate you on this just inform you.

Also sorry about turning this post in another direction Michelle.

Do a little searching on this and you'll find it is not just that one
area or fish that can and does have the potential to harbor this
parasite.

The parasite in question is called Nanophyetus salmincola.
It can be found in EVERY fish that spawns in fresh waters wild or
not.

http://www.vetmed.wsu.edu/ClientED/salmon.asp

As for what fish contain Omegas here's a small list of the most
popular ones.

EPA and DHA are found in mackerel, salmon, herring, sardines,
sablefish (black cod), anchovies, albacore tuna, Lake Trout, Herring,
Menhaden (Bunker, a bait fish you can buy at any salt water bait shop
same as Mackerel), and many other fatty oily fish.

http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=3013797

If you give you feed your dog raw fish all you need to do to insure
this never happens is freeze the fish for few days. If you look up
the regulations for Sushi grade fish in the US you'll find ALL Sushi
grade fish should have been frozen. If you ask any people that love
fresh Sashimi they'll tell you freshness and quality are measured in
hours. Never frozen at all. I eat all the salt water fish I catch
raw. Some right on my boat. This is because salt water fish no not
harbor these parasites.

Now I'm going to make some calls to find out who's going to the Sushi
bar with me for lunch. MMMMMMmmmmmm :-))

Jay

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14.1. Re: still swallowing whole
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 9:21 am ((PST))

On Nov 5, 2007, at 10:10 PM, delcaste wrote:

>
>> Hi Silvina,
>> Sorry if i missed something along the way, but why are you afraid she
>> will keel over? KathyM
>
> Because she's been choking on her food three times in a week. My
> mistake but this sure is a hard way to learn.
>
> Silvina

Silvina, your fear and your learning are two separate things. You now
know what to do, so the danger should be gone. Don't let your
irrational fears spoil her mealtime; just deal with it. If you can
take our advice things should be fine. If you cannot, talk to us, and
we'll make something clearer.

These are all discrete incidents, coming from individual acts.There
is no reason to repeat them, and no pattern. It's just about knowing
your dog, and now you know her much better. Take a deep breath and
let her be herself.

ginny and Tomo

All stunts performed without a net!

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15a. Re: 5 Dogs New to Raw Two Weeks
Posted by: "Sgagos@aol.com" Sgagos@aol.com sgagos69
Date: Tue Nov 6, 2007 9:50 am ((PST))

Thanks, guys. She is in pretty good health, good teeth and she's about
seven years old. She does like the ground meat but I'm afraid she'll get used to
it. I'm going to try just putting the food down separately from everyone
else and picking it back up, then repeating. If after another week of this she
doesn't bite, then I'll try some beef or pork. I definitely get that my
negative vibe is affecting her. It's a comedy routine, her and me:
Eat, Shelly, Eat!
Stares at me blankly.
Come on Shelly, Eat your food, eat your food.
I pick up the piece and give it to her in her mouth, she takes it, trying to
be polite and drops
it back down.
I must admit I repeat the above quite a few times, cutting the meat down
some more, taking the skin off, adding some parmesan, all with the same result.
Then I walk away in huff. Fine, then!

Thanks again for your input.
Stephanie

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