[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12252

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Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Husband thinks dog is still hungry
From: Andrea
1b. Re: Husband thinks dog is still hungry
From: kaebruney
1c. Re: Husband thinks dog is still hungry
From: blueberry5297

2a. Re: Sick Dog
From: Andrea

3a. Re: pink eye
From: moemahood@aol.com
3b. Re: pink eye
From: ginny wilken
3c. Re: pink eye
From: costrowski75

4a. Re: price of turkey, chicken; freezer question
From: jennifer_hell

5.1. Re: Grass Eating -- MINE TOO!!
From: jennifer_hell

6a. Oops on the chicken.....
From: Penny Sanford Fikes

7a. Re: Dog not digesting food
From: reachpanda
7b. Re: Dog not digesting food
From: Andrea

8a. Re: Question on Table scraps to a raw fed dog
From: katkellm
8b. Re: Question on Table scraps to a raw fed dog
From: connie
8c. Re: Question on Table scraps to a raw fed dog
From: rosey031801
8d. Re: Question on Table scraps to a raw fed dog
From: carnesbill
8e. Re: Question on Table scraps to a raw fed dog
From: metra_co

9a. Is the raw honeymoon over??? LOL
From: miensasis
9b. Re: Is the raw honeymoon over??? LOL
From: carnesbill
9c. Re: Is the raw honeymoon over??? LOL
From: jennifer_hell

10. (no subject)
From: autumn

11a. my dog doesn't like raw.
From: blueberry5297
11b. Re: my dog doesn't like raw.
From: Andrea

12a. Feeding Pork
From: cynthia iparraguirre

13a. Re: Questions about preparing/packaging/freezing venison
From: Tina Berry

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1a. Re: Husband thinks dog is still hungry
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 6:57 am ((PST))

You may want to do some artificial regulation at first so that you know
his digestive system is up for big meals. I would put down a chicken
quarter and let him eat about half of it before taking it away for a
little while. The first few weeks lots of dogs will just keep eating
no matter how full they get since the food is new. After the newness
wears off you'll be able to better tell if your dog is going to self
regulate or not.

Andrea

"mmc2315" <m.chelap@...> wrote:

> Okay, so are you saying that I *might* be able to hand him an
> entire chicken quarter (3 meals worth), and he might devour it one
> day, but not finish it another day, thereby regulating himself?

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1b. Re: Husband thinks dog is still hungry
Posted by: "kaebruney" kaebruney@yahoo.com kaebruney
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 7:32 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "mmc2315" <m.chelap@...> wrote:
>
>
> Okay, so are you saying that I *might* be able to hand him an entire
chicken quarter (3 meals
> worth), and he might devour it one day, but not finish it another
day, thereby regulating
> himself?
>
> Michelle
>

My experience HAS NOT been that. Call my boys greedy, but if I feed
them 2-3 times their normal feeding one day, they STILL eat the next
if offered. So I have to regulate for them. If I feed triple one day,
then there's nothing the next. If I feed double they get only wreck
bones to have something to chew on. I think it depends on the dog. If
your dog is greedy, like two of mine, they will eat as much as you
allow them to.

And don't be surprised if your dog vomits a little on his fasting day.
It's something about a dog that is expecting to eat, producing bile
and then having to vomit it once the stomach remains empty. It's been
explained here before, so I'm sure someone will expound on this. I'm
not versed enough to explain the why's of it.

Kae

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1c. Re: Husband thinks dog is still hungry
Posted by: "blueberry5297" blueberry5297@yahoo.com blueberry5297
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 8:18 am ((PST))

> He is definitely on the trim side. I can feel his spine and his ribs
easily with my fingers,
> and he has a well-defined waist.

That sounds like he may be a underweight, to me. I'm no dog expert, but
as far as I know a dog should have a defined waist, but you shouldn't
be able to feel the spine very easily and you shouldn't be able to see
more than the last rib or two while looking at him standing. When you
feel the ribs, it should be difficult to feel most of them because
there should be a layer of fat over them, but not so much that you
can't feel them at ALL. Does that make sense? I would definitely give
him a whole leg quarter every day and see how much of it he eats. If he
eats the whole thing every day and starts to get overweight, feed less
because he probably isn't goign to regulate himself.

- Jeni & Blue -

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2a. Re: Sick Dog
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 7:04 am ((PST))

Has he been eating anything besides chicken legs? With my dogs too
much bone usually causes crumbly white poops, but I've heard others
with dogs that have gotten loose stools with boney meals. It is also
possible he has some internal parasite. Keep us updated, ok?

Andrea

"oceanapsyche" <oceanapsyche@...> wrote:

> Samson, my 7 yr old Cairn terrier recently has been having
> diarrhia. He's been on raw for about a yr and a half now, and he's
> had loose stool and drippy squidgy poos but nothing this long
> lasting or painful. My aunt has been feeding him chicken legs, but
> he has eaten those before and always chews thoroughly.

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3a. Re: pink eye
Posted by: "moemahood@aol.com" moemahood@aol.com selfemployedhealth
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 7:32 am ((PST))

sounds like she has a compromised immune system.? I know that people here do not supplement but I would suggest getting her on a strict prey model with plenty of red meat and liver (atleast 5% of the diet should be liver) and then give her vit C and E.? Vit C until her bowels do not tolerate it (ie up her dosage starting at 1000 mg until she has dire reat and then bring it back to where she tolerated it).? I would keep her supplemented with these vitamins until she builds her own immunty back.?

I would also get a full blood panel done.? Just as a precaution and to find out if there is something lurking about in her system.

Parasites like fleas are attracted to animals with low immune systems.? Also, pink eye is the result of a low immune system......so either you are feeding her something she is allergic to or she isn't getting enough variety or she has something that she is fighting internally.?

No more vaccinations either -- find a vet that will titer her if you are nervous about vaccinating.? Only give the rabies -- which is required by law.

?Maureen

Hi All,
Jennifer with Sasha here. She's got a recurrent pink eye infection and has had all the tests
to rule out cornial scratches and dry eyes. After 3 rounds of drops still a problem. She's
also a flea magnet and has plaque on here back teeth despite raw feeding. Sounds like
some underlying problem, but what? Am seeking for an alternative vet now since the other
one has not helped. She's only 8 months old and otherwise healthy and normal. Any
insight appreciated.
Thanks,!
Jennifer

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3b. Re: pink eye
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 9:03 am ((PST))

On Nov 7, 2007, at 5:53 AM, antarpremal wrote:

> Hi All,
> Jennifer with Sasha here. She's got a recurrent pink eye
> infection and has had all the tests
> to rule out cornial scratches and dry eyes. After 3 rounds of
> drops still a problem. She's
> also a flea magnet and has plaque on here back teeth despite raw
> feeding. Sounds like
> some underlying problem, but what? Am seeking for an alternative
> vet now since the other
> one has not helped. She's only 8 months old and otherwise healthy
> and normal. Any
> insight appreciated.
> Thanks,!
> Jennifer
>

Yes, we need to look at what else might be going on with her. Could
you bring this to Rawchat, so that we can branch into other topics?

ginny and Tomo

All stunts performed without a net!

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3c. Re: pink eye
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 9:12 am ((PST))

"antarpremal" <antarpremal@...> wrote:
After 3 rounds of drops still a problem. She's
> also a flea magnet and has plaque on here back teeth despite raw
feeding. Sounds like
> some underlying problem, but what?
*****
Some easy "whats" might be inadequate diet, teething, hormonal changes,
vaccine damage, other unintentional immune system assaults.

On the Rawfeeding list, diet management is an appropriate topic. Other
possibilities are not suited for Rawfeeding. Please consider reposting
your situation to RawChat or DogHealth, where non-diet issues have room
to expand if expanse is needed.
Chris O

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4a. Re: price of turkey, chicken; freezer question
Posted by: "jennifer_hell" jenniferhell@web.de jennifer_hell
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 7:33 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "rosey031801" <rosey031801@...> wrote:

> I feed the cheapest I can get because I can't afford the free range and
> that doesn't mean I don't care. I think anyone who feds raw meat in any
> capacity CARES!!!
That's the great thing about this list!That's why I love it here.
People do care. I know people who don't, although they can afford it.
That's just sad in my eyes. =(

Jennifer with Mandy (who gets free range because we're lucky and found
someone locally who lets us have the leftovers after butchering. Yay!)

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5.1. Re: Grass Eating -- MINE TOO!!
Posted by: "jennifer_hell" jenniferhell@web.de jennifer_hell
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 7:33 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "cynthiashankman" <ShankMa4@...> wrote:
>

> BUT maybe she has the desire to eat grass because her meals haven't
> included red meat, less bone, and organs? Maybe she is eating the
> grass to balance herself out?

That was the reason why my girl kept grazing. After starting to feed
beef and venison for the most part, she rarely does it anymore.

Jennifer

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6a. Oops on the chicken.....
Posted by: "Penny Sanford Fikes" penny@bluebonnetmagnolia.com pennysanford2003
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 7:33 am ((PST))

Oops, sorry, Giselle.....I'm reading all these wonderful sources
provided upon subscription....and have not made it through all of them
yet. That darn stuff called work interferes with learning! *grin*

I'll erase that chicken statistic from the memory banks.....*grin*

Many thanks for all the help!

Fondly,
Penny
with eleven doggy-raptors in Mississippi

Giselle wrote:
Hi, Penny!
>
> You didn't read that a dog needs 60% chicken on this website!
> ^_^
>
> .
>
> _

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7a. Re: Dog not digesting food
Posted by: "reachpanda" reachpanda@hotmail.com reachpanda
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 7:33 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Andrea" <poketmouse45@...> wrote:
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> I have a couple of questions so we can get to the bottom of the
> problem. First, you have a rottie mix, right? How much does she
weigh
> and how much have you been feeding her? When she threw up the
chicken
> breast was it whole or in chewed up chunks? If she swallowed the
whole
> thing more or less whole it probably sat around in her stomach
waiting
> to digest until it decided it wasn't going to work after all.
>
> When you say she's acting constipated does that mean she's
straining
> when she goes poo or is she not pooing at all? Raw fed dogs have
to
> use more, umm. . . force to poo than ki**lefed dogs and a lot of
the
> time newbie owners think the dog is constipated when it isn't.
Another
> thing to think about is that now she's actually using the food you
give
> her instead of squirting it back out. After weeks of poor
digestion he
> body is probably using every little bit of food it can, which
leaves
> very little to form poo. Hope this helps some, give us some more
info
> and we can probably help some more.
>
> Andrea

>

Yes, rottie. She's approx 43 lbs (was 39 when I found her 6 months
ago) and is still underweight. I'm feeding about 1 lb/day. I've been
buying whole chickens and cutting up into meals. I also addded a
little ground turkey the last 2 days. She swallows her food whole and
that's how it came back up. She's always had diarrhea and would
strain trying to go (about 7-8 times a day). The first week on raw
she still strained, but less often (4/day) and small pieces came out.
Now she's trying to go more often again, but less is coming out. I
think she's had digestive/diarrhea problems her whole life (approx 2
years), so not sure if her body doesn't know 'how' to poop solid
matter or if there's a problem.

And of course she's been to the vet MANY times over the last 6 months
and they have no idea what's wrong with her. Raw was a last ditch
effort to help her.

Andrea

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7b. Re: Dog not digesting food
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 9:02 am ((PST))

Poor thing she's had a pretty rough life. If she's been swallowing
her food whole you might want to try either partially freezing the
food before feeding or you could give her bigger pieces. I would
imagine she should be eating nothing smaller than a chicken quarter,
you might give her a half chicken and pick it up when she's halfway
done. Swallowing her food whole is likely the reason for her
upchuking the other day.

Did the vet check for worms and other things? If she has intestinal
parasites it would definitely affect her digestion. Instead of using
chemical dewormers I would suggest you give her food grade
diatomaceous earth (DE) if she does have anything.

So, feed bigger food or partially frozen food to get your girl to
chew her food. If her poo continues to be sloppy or gelatinous you
might want to take a stool sample to the vet and have them check for
anything and everything.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "reachpanda" <reachpanda@...>
wrote:

> Yes, rottie. She's approx 43 lbs (was 39 when I found her 6 months
> ago) and is still underweight. I'm feeding about 1 lb/day. I've
> been buying whole chickens and cutting up into meals. I also addded
> a little ground turkey the last 2 days. She swallows her food whole
> and that's how it came back up.

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8a. Re: Question on Table scraps to a raw fed dog
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 7:33 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "jaygaughan" <jaygaughan@...> wrote:
Could it affect him
> liking raw meats? Is there any down side or can I just give him any
> meat leftovers (all meats and fowl)?

Hi Jay,
As long as there are no cooked bones involved in the table scraps, i
feed my dogs leftovers. I don't count it as part of their meal; i
consider it a treat. They have never shown an aversion to raw after
eating some cooked meat leftovers. Makes for easy table clean up,
too. KathyM

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8b. Re: Question on Table scraps to a raw fed dog
Posted by: "connie" justbullies@hotmail.com bullienut
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 7:33 am ((PST))

> From: jaygaughan <jaygaughan@...>
Hi Jay,
I feed my dogs most any left overs. Nothing goes to waste here. From
pea soup to steak. They won`t eat salad stuff...but most anything else.
It`s kinda strange but when they were kibble fed I had to watch what I
fed off the table as it would cause stomache upset and sometime really
loose stools.Now that we are on raw it doesn`t seem to phase them a
bit. And they love it. And I feel they may benefit from it. Anyway, we
don`t waste anything here. With 3 adult bulldogs and 2 bulldog puppies
and 3 adult cats and 2 kittens I really can`t afford to throw anything
away. If it`s something they don`t like I throw it out after a couple
of hours. Even the cats have ate left over hotdish..usually not the
potatoe kind but noodles..especially if it is a white or cheese sauce
and has seafood or fish in it.
~connie~
and a bunch of bullies
www.justbullies.com

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8c. Re: Question on Table scraps to a raw fed dog
Posted by: "rosey031801" rosey031801@sbcglobal.net rosey031801
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 7:56 am ((PST))

I do give my dog scraps of cooked meat. I look at it as a treat, not
the whole meal. It has to be better than any treat i can buy at the pet
store. It has not affected the appetite for raw meat at all. Actually,
in the begining I had to sear some boneless meats in the transition
stage and I did give some cooked meats just to get through the tough
times for him. In my opinion, cooked meat is still 1,000 times better
than kibble!!!
Cheryl

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8d. Re: Question on Table scraps to a raw fed dog
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 7:56 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "jaygaughan" <jaygaughan@...> wrote:
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> Now that I'm going raw with my new Dane puppy in a few weeks I'm
> wondering if there is any down side to feeding him table scraps.

I won't hurt them and may actually be good for them. I would point
out a ocuple of things though. I would wait for a couple of months or
so just to get the dog used to eating raw and getting past any
possible problems before I began feeding him leftovers. That way you
don't have to eleminate leftovers as a possible source of problems.

Also, don't feed directly from the table. It can create beggers and
nothing is more irritating that a dog begging for food while you are
trying to eat. We feed leftovers from the kitchen sink after the meal
is over. The dogs know they aren't getting any food as long as we are
eating.

A full grown Dane is a dog that can eat directly out of your plate on
the table so you must be very very careful that he understands he gets
no food until you are finished and he only gets it from the kitchen
sink or counter. It's real embarrrasing for your dog to lick the
plate and grab some food from the plate of a guest. I know from
experience. :) :) :)

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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8e. Re: Question on Table scraps to a raw fed dog
Posted by: "metra_co" metraco@hotmail.com metra_co
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 8:18 am ((PST))

Jay-

If I'm reading your question correctly, you haven't started to feed
your Dane raw yet? If this is the case, you may want to hold off
feeding grilled meats until after your dog is eating raw regularly.

There is no health problem to cooked meat as treats/scraps as far as
I'm aware. But cooked meats have a much stronger smell and different
texture than raw, so if your dog is used to these he may refuse raw
meats longer because they will seem too bland and slimy. Once your Dane
accepts raw food, then cooked treats shouldn't be an issue. And who
knows, you may be one of the lucky ones whose dog gobbles up raw food
on the first try!

Metra

> As I was cutting up my steak last night I thought about how much my
> last Dane loved when I grilled steaks. As soon as I fired up the
grill
> he would follow me in and out of the house until he was given his
> share. Now that I'm going raw with my new Dane puppy in a few weeks
I'm
> wondering if there is any down side to feeding him table scraps.
>
> Can anyone shed some light on this for me please? Could it affect him
> liking raw meats? Is there any down side or can I just give him any
> meat leftovers (all meats and fowl)?
>
> Thank you
>
> Jay
>

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9a. Is the raw honeymoon over??? LOL
Posted by: "miensasis" kpmnlm@patmedia.net miensasis
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 7:56 am ((PST))

Hello Everyone...

I am approaching the two month mark of raw feeding my two wheatens.
(YEAH!!) Riley, always the picky and light eater, took to the raw
chicken with gusto when introduced (all except the chicken liver, but
a tiny sprinkle of parmesan cheese will get him to eat it) finishing
every last morsel. In the last few weeks I've been working on
introducing variety...some nice red beef, eggs, turkey, and most
recently lamb. I've been introducing this on the canvas of the
chicken and then working up to whole meals. His absolute favorite so
far was to work on a whole hunk of beef roast. Anyway, today I fed
him a bone-in chicken breast with some additional boneless thigh meat
and a smidge of liver...and the little sucker looked disappointed.
After staring me down to see if anything better was coming, he ate
the breast with bone, but lifted his nose at the boneless thigh and
walked away. THIS IS A FIRST since the transition to raw! I'm going
to guess that this is pretty typical behavior at this point....that
he is holding out to see if something better will come. So at this
new crossroads, my question is this: How do I handle this so that I
do not foster a picky eater. Bottom line is I AM going to need to
feed all chicken meals fairly often for my pocket book's sake and
Riley has to get the message that sometimes it is chicken or nothin'!

Thanks,

Nancy

PS - His sister, Molly, will eat ANYTHING I put in front of her with
gusto and can't understand how he could leave that beautiful boneless
thigh nor how I could fail to let her have his leftovers.

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9b. Re: Is the raw honeymoon over??? LOL
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 8:18 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "miensasis" <kpmnlm@...> wrote:
>
> Anyway, today I fed
> him a bone-in chicken breast with some additional boneless
> thigh meat
> and a smidge of liver...and the little sucker looked disappointed.

I think the best way to handle this is to calmly pick up the leftovers
and don't make a big deal of it. If you make a big deal, it becomes a
big deal. Just pick it up and put it back in the fridge. Offer it
next meal to the same dog. You might want to not give him any more
food until he eats that.

It might be better to give him whole meals of the new food. Not a new
food every day but a couple of times a week to see how he handles it.
This doesn't give him the opportunity to pick over certain parts of
the meal. For example, if you are intruducing turkey, feed him turkey
a couple of times a week. A whole meal of turkey but only 2 in a
week. This will give you an idea of how he will handle it.

Definately don't let the other dog have the "leftovers" as you will
soon have a rolly polly dog.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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9c. Re: Is the raw honeymoon over??? LOL
Posted by: "jennifer_hell" jenniferhell@web.de jennifer_hell
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 8:33 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "carnesbill" <carnesw@...> wrote:
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> I think the best way to handle this is to calmly pick up the leftovers
> and don't make a big deal of it. If you make a big deal, it becomes a
> big deal. Just pick it up and put it back in the fridge. Offer it
> next meal to the same dog. You might want to not give him any more
> food until he eats that.
>

For my girl it's enough to take it away, and then offer it again the
same day, say half an hour later. The longest it took was until 10 PM
(from 6 PM), by then she realized it's that stuff or nothing. Lol!

Jennifer

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Posted by: "autumn" autumnji@aol.com jayagurumayi
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 8:18 am ((PST))

sandee:

thank you for stating this. i just started feeding
more than chicken and wasn't sure about letting her
eat the entire bone-in bone. last night i let her
work on the pork steak bone for about 20 min.

was concerned for cumulative teeth wear and possible
choking as it got smaller.

autumn & bella (2 y/o 7# chi minpin, 2 months raw)

< but they are cumulative.
Beef ribs are great exercise if fed in slabs and the bones removed
when the meat, gristle, etc. is gone. Generally they are too hard for
most dogs to consume.

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11a. my dog doesn't like raw.
Posted by: "blueberry5297" blueberry5297@yahoo.com blueberry5297
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 8:59 am ((PST))

I feel like I may be the only one here.. But my dog doesn't like raw.
When he first started on it several months ago, after he figured out
that it was in fact food, he liked it well enough, but was never
enthusiastic about it. After about a week he wouldn't eat chicken
anymore so I gave him turkey but he didn't want that either. I tried
pork next and he only ate that for a couple days, and even then
needed my help in getting him interested in it. I'm aware that I may
have set him up to be picky because I changed his food so easily [he
is my first dog and I was afraid of letting him go hungry, even
though I know now it would have helped in the long run by forcing him
to eat what he's given]. Eventually I gave up the raw for a while
because he simply wouldn't eat it unless I was sitting out there
playing with it until he'd play tug with me and eat the pieces he
pulled off. Even then, he'd often lose interest before eating any of
it. Other times I'd have to rip it up and feed him by hand in pieces
or he wouldn't bother with it.

Starving him until he ate it wouldn't work either, because my step-
dad absolutely will not stop giving him table scraps and filling his
bowl with kibble when it's empty.

Anyway, I haven't been giving him raw for a few months, and I started
trying again just this week and he still isn't interested. The pieces
with bones in them he'll bury, but he won't eat it [and the step-dad
is getting mad about him digging]. I'm not really sure what I should
do...

Has anyone else ever had this problem? How did you resolve it, or did
you?

Right now I'm trying to see if I can work out a meal plan for him
that includes home cooked foods [since he seems to like cooked food
best out of every way of feeding him I've tried] and a little raw if
I can get him to eat it. I just don't know how.. Any thoughts?

Any help or advice you can give me I really appreciate. I'm starting
to wonder if raw may just not be for my dog since he doesn't like it
nearly as much as the rest seem to.

- Jeni & Blue -

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11b. Re: my dog doesn't like raw.
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 9:18 am ((PST))

No, it isn't that your dog doesn't or won't ever like raw, you just
made a picky eater. He's like the kid who only wants to eat cookies
for breakfast lunch and dinner. It will be easy enough to get him
into line, you just have to be firm.

First of all, you need a mat or towel that is his eating place. Put
the food on the mat and if he tries to take it off, jut put it right
back. Teaching him to keep his food on the mat will solve the
problem of him burying his food.

Second, if he isn't interested in his food give him 15-20 minutes to
start eating and if not just calmly pick it up and take it away. No
playing with the food or coaxing him to eat. Just put the food down
and move to a place where you can watch him without hovering.
Tell your step dad to stop feeding him scraps, but above all just get
rid of the ki**le. If there is none in the house your stepdad can't
fill the bowl with it.

Once he starts eating raw again don't cater to him if he decides he's
tired of chicken or any other food. If he doesn't want what is
offered, he doesn't get dinner. Since he's proven himself to be good
at training you, I would continue to offer the offending meal until
he eats it.

Now, trying to compromise and feed him cooked and some raw is like
someone compromising with their child and saying they will cut back
to eating McDonald's only once a day instead of every meal.

Andrea

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> I feel like I may be the only one here.. But my dog doesn't like
> raw.

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12a. Feeding Pork
Posted by: "cynthia iparraguirre" cyn7711@yahoo.com cyn7711
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 9:23 am ((PST))

I want to introduce my Lab to pork; however, since I don't eat pork myself, I am not familiar with "pork lingo". What cuts are better suited for my dog & what price should I expect to pay for them?

Cynthia Flores


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13a. Re: Questions about preparing/packaging/freezing venison
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 9:23 am ((PST))

"How do you feel about organ meat in free-range venison?"

I feed it all... haven't gotten any tripe yet tho, no one wants to mess with
it; so tongues (muscle meat) liver, heart, trachea... all good.

We only have 4 gsds and they each get around 1.5 - 2 lbs daily - so I freeze
it in approximately 8lb bags and take it out the night before to thaw. I
freeze smaller baggy size for frozen treats.
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Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
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