[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12267

There are 5 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Organic or Non Organic
From: jennifer_hell

2a. Re: Beginning - Deer and Other Questions
From: jennifer_hell
2b. Re: Beginning - Deer and Other Questions
From: cmhausrath

3a. Re: Throwing up Water All Day!
From: Cdandp2@aol.com

4a. Re: yeasty ears
From: Penny (Nickles) Parker

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1a. Re: Organic or Non Organic
Posted by: "jennifer_hell" jenniferhell@web.de jennifer_hell
Date: Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:23 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "elkilpat" <elkilpat@...> wrote:
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> Followup on my recent post re feeding organic vs non organic.

>snip< Ellen, it would be better to dig up the old thread and continue
it IMO, so that people could see what was said before. =)

> Are others feeding organic only? Thoughts? Comments?
Yes, organic poultry and lamb(mind, I'm in Germany, we have
regulations here- organic free range means really what you'd think it
does), free range grass fed beef, and venison. All very cheap,cheaper
than store bought. I searched around and found sources not too far
from me, it's all leftovers (although the beef butcher could use the
meat he gives me for sausage etc, he's just being very nice).

Jennifer

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2a. Re: Beginning - Deer and Other Questions
Posted by: "jennifer_hell" jenniferhell@web.de jennifer_hell
Date: Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:23 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "politicat83" <lundie.jess@...> wrote:

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> 5. For my cat, am I really correct in thinking that I can take the
> whole chicken in my fridge, and gradually through coaxing and slowly
> increasing piece sizes, feed my way through the entire chicken and
> that's what this is all about? What about taurine/anything else?

Best join the RawCat group. And check out rawfedcats.org. As far as I
know cats prefer their meat very fresh, so it would probaby be best to
freeze fresh chicken in portions instead of leaving the chicken in the
frigde while feeding your way through it.

Jennifer

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2b. Re: Beginning - Deer and Other Questions
Posted by: "cmhausrath" cmhausrath@yahoo.com cmhausrath
Date: Sun Nov 11, 2007 5:18 am ((PST))

"politicat83" <lundie.jess@...> wrote:

> Then I think I just need to buy a scale and I'm ready
> to go.

You don't need a scale, particularly if you start out buying meat
from the grocery store (labeled with the weight). If you decide you
really want a scale, buy a cheap one. Within a couple weeks (at
most), you won't need it, so no point wasting a lot of money.

> 1. I was planning on starting with chicken for both dog and cat

Do start with the chicken, but freeze whatever deer meat (plus
organs, plus the head, plus whatever else you can get) you have &
start adding little bits of it after a week or so.

> 2. From what I've been able to tell, my dog is allergic to fish
> (including fish oil pills - they make her itch) and lamb.

The VAST majority of fish oil capsules contain soy -- I'd think it's
more likely that your dog reacts to the soy than to the fish. And if
she's only ever had cooked lamb, then no, she's probably not going to
have a problem with raw lamb / mutton either. Still, no point
confusing matters early on -- start out with the chicken and (after a
week or so) the deer, then try some other stuff -- pork, beef,
turkey, rabbit, goat, whatever you can find -- and see how things
go. When you're both comfortable, try adding a small amount of fish
or lamb. This might be in a month; it might be in three months, or
much later. Doesn't really matter, as long as you're feeding plenty
of variety and everyone's happy.

> 3. Once a day feeding, twice a day feeding, fasting, gorging? Ack!
> Information overload - help?

Start out feeding at the same frequency you feed now. You'll have
plenty of time later to tweak how often you feed. Mealtime is MUCH
more fun if you eventually start feeding really BIG food (like this --
http://rawfeddogs.net/RecipePhoto/32/11 -- which necessitates a day
or two afterward of feeding no food, or practically no food), but you
don't have to even think about this decision yet.

> 4. Stuffed kongs are a key part of our daily routine

Yep, there's a neat little array of stuffed Kongs in my freezer too.
I usually use ground beef (or ground turkey, or whatever's on sale or
mark-down) or chunked meat (of whatever kind I have) and then freeze
it solid. My dog rolls the Kong around while he empties it out, so I
usually put it down on a washable rug, just in case he makes a mess.

> Is this really this easy?

I can't speak for cats, but for your dog, this is definitely this
easy. Cool, huh?

> P.S. If anyone is in the Northern VA area, could you e-mail me
> privately and give me some ideas on good sources of meat? I'm still
> struggling with that.

I'm not in NoVa, but I'm in Richmond -- I'd be glad to pass along
what little I know about sourcing, but historically I mostly buy from
grocery stores (especially Food Lion, but watch everyone's sale
fliers). I've got a source now for mutton (which you don't want, not
yet) and possibly also pork & venison, but she's south of me, so
probably not much help to you.

Relax, have fun, and ask whatever questions you have!

-- sandy & griffin

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3a. Re: Throwing up Water All Day!
Posted by: "Cdandp2@aol.com" Cdandp2@aol.com cdandp
Date: Sun Nov 11, 2007 4:52 am ((PST))

I'm not up to date on the posts this week, but vomiting water, especially
more than once, could be pancreatitis (it's one of the defining symptoms). So
I'd have that checked out if it were me. Also withhold food and especially
fatty food until you know what's up. Try to get water in there.

Hope everything's better by the time you read this and that my concern was a
false one.

Carol

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4a. Re: yeasty ears
Posted by: "Penny (Nickles) Parker" loverladymaggiemae@yahoo.com loverladymaggiemae
Date: Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:46 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Marguerite <semitruestory@...> wrote:
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> my cocker gets redness between her paws and around her bottom with a
> cheesy like , whitish yellow thick substance with it. Is this yeast?

> Marguerite

That could be yeast, but I'm not sure.
In reply to your question,I use white vinegar diluted with
water....half vinegar & half water. I keep a jar of it around all the
time. I use a dropper and instill a few drops in every dogs ears about
once every 2 weeks. Any dog with long furry ears is prone to yeast
inf. just because of how they are made. Yeasty infections elsewhere
could be a sign of other problems such as: Compromised immune system,
diabetes, etc.
I would try soaking the dogs paws in the vinegar solution about 3 times
a day and see if it goes away. Give it a few days to work. Also clean
away the cheesy stuff gently...there will be raw skin underneath it.
It can't hurt, and if it works you have saved lots of $$$ to buy more
raw food!
Penny & The Menagerie

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