Feed Pets Raw Food: [rawfeeding] Digest Number 12270

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Nutritional content of raw meat
From: Casey Post
1b. Re: Nutritional content of raw meat
From: Greta Hill
1c. Re: Nutritional content of raw meat
From: carnesbill
1d. Re: Nutritional content of raw meat
From: gevan1a
1e. Re: Nutritional content of raw meat
From: Andrea
1f. Free turkey half - Washington DC area
From: Shelly

2a. Re: is this turkey ok to feed???
From: carnesbill
2b. Re: is this turkey ok to feed???
From: emil smolensky
2c. Re: is this turkey ok to feed???
From: Penny (Nickles) Parker
2d. Re: is this turkey ok to feed???
From: costrowski75
2e. Re: is this turkey ok to feed???
From: costrowski75
2f. Re: is this turkey ok to feed???
From: costrowski75

3a. Re: New to raw - made mistakes - need help
From: eyed_blue

4a. Re: Caught my dog with a joint
From: costrowski75
4b. Re: Caught my dog with a joint
From: Penny (Nickles) Parker

5a. ANYONE NEAR GRIFFIN, GA? Free meat..
From: Donna
5b. Re: ANYONE NEAR GRIFFIN, GA? Free meat..
From: cmhausrath
5c. Re: ANYONE NEAR GRIFFIN, GA? Free meat..
From: MORGAN LEWIS
5d. Re: ANYONE NEAR GRIFFIN, GA? Free meat..
From: Donna

6a. Throwing Up Bone?
From: tdifr62
6b. Re: Throwing Up Bone?
From: Andrea
6c. Re: Throwing Up Bone?
From: costrowski75
6d. Re: Throwing Up Bone?
From: costrowski75
6e. Duplicates/Re: Throwing Up Bone?
From: costrowski75

7a. Re: deer chest carcus
From: Tina Berry

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1a. Re: Nutritional content of raw meat
Posted by: "Casey Post" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:40 am ((PST))

> I'm on a general dog website and want evidence to
> show that meat is not 100% protein as a few of the members there are
> insisting it is.

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/

Casey

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1b. Re: Nutritional content of raw meat
Posted by: "Greta Hill" GretaHill@aol.com sunstate23
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:44 am ((PST))

Type in what you want to look up, like "raw chicken" at this site:
http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/

And this site lists an analysis of their green tripe products.

http://www.greentripe.com/

HTH

Greta

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1c. Re: Nutritional content of raw meat
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:44 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Evie" <archie.willow@...> wrote:
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> Hi,
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> Does anyone here have a link to a website that shows the nutrional
> content of raw meat.

The USDA has a website at

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/

When entering search criteria be sure to use the word "raw" like raw
chicken or raw beef etc.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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1d. Re: Nutritional content of raw meat
Posted by: "gevan1a" gevans@sycomtech.com gevan1a
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:57 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com <mailto:rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com> ,
"Evie" <archie.willow@...> wrote:
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> Hi,
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> Does anyone here have a link to a website that shows the nutrional
> content of raw meat.

This is a good one.

http://www.nutritiondata.com/ <http://www.nutritiondata.com/>

-George

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1e. Re: Nutritional content of raw meat
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:01 am ((PST))

Here's the one that I use.
http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/

The protein content issue comes up every now and then around here. If
you look at raw food "as fed" it is very low in protein, since most of
the food is actually water content. If you consider the food on a "dry
matter" basis the protein content jumps quite a bit. Regardless of how
you calculate the protein content, it boils down to the fact that raw
protein is high quality easily digested protein.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Evie" <archie.willow@...> wrote:

> Does anyone here have a link to a website that shows the nutrional
> content of raw meat. I'm on a general dog website and want
> evidence to show that meat is not 100% protein as a few of the
> members there are insisting it is.

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1f. Free turkey half - Washington DC area
Posted by: "Shelly" StuartLittle@comcast.net stuartjeanlittle
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:09 am ((PST))

Occasionally I get free or drastically reduced priced meat from the farmer
from whom I get all my food. He vacuum packs everything and freezes it. If
it looses it's vacuum, he can't sell it to people anymore so he sends it for
my dogs. He sends whatever he has so I can't be picky, but my dogs don't
like turkey. It's never been thawed out, just lost the vacuum so it may have
some freezer burn (fine for humans as well, just most humans don't like
freezer burn). My dogs don't mind freezer burn, they just don't like turkey.
This is a large half turkey, split right down the middle, organic, free
range, all that... email me if interested, I need to make room in my freezer
for the whole beef we're getting next month.

Thanks,

Shelly

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2a. Re: is this turkey ok to feed???
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:44 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, MustBLuvSpaniels@... wrote:
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> Is this turkey good to feed to my dogs?

Yes

> What does Minimally processed mean?

It actually means nothing. It's a marketing term to make it sound
attractive.

> They are frozen, so If I thaw them enough to chop them up,
> is it safe to refreeze them and feed later?

Yes

> small brag. My Raw fed Puppy won his his 1st points at a
> show this weekend.

Great! :)

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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2b. Re: is this turkey ok to feed???
Posted by: "emil smolensky" esmolensky@yahoo.com esmolensky
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:05 am ((PST))

I bought the same ones I think and they have 8% turkey broth solution. I wash it before I hand it to my dog to get some of the broth off. My dog has no problem with it. It really just depends on how your dog handles it.
E & Reagan

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To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 6:48:09 AM
Subject: [rawfeeding] is this turkey ok to feed???

in our local Stop and shop flyer. they have shady brook farms turkeys on

sale for $.59 a pound. I looked up the description on the company's web site.

this is what it said.

Fresh Whole Turkey

Product Description

Shady Brook Farms® Fresh Whole Turkey is all-natural, minimally processed

with no additives or preservatives.

Is this turkey good to feed to my dogs? What does Minimally processed mean?

They are frozen, so If I thaw them enough to chop them up, is it safe to

refreeze them and feed later? Thanks Lisa

PS small brag. My Raw fed Puppy won his his 1st points at a show this

weekend.

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2c. Re: is this turkey ok to feed???
Posted by: "Penny (Nickles) Parker" loverladymaggiemae@yahoo.com loverladymaggiemae
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:26 am ((PST))

Minimally processed usually means that they have the head, feathers,
feet and "guts" removed. I think that these turkeys would be
great...and that is a good price.
There are "purists" and "non-purists" in this group. You just haved to
sort out the info and do what works for you.
I feed my dogs and fosters chicken from Walmart. It is cheap and it
has saline injected into it. That is the same stuff that they give
your dog IV when it is sick, dehydrated, etc. In all my research, I
have never found that normal saline will hurt a healthy dog. But this
is up to you. You can go totally organic and only feed free range, non
vaccinated, etc animals. Or you can do like some if the rest of us
do. Scavenger for cheap stuff so you can splurge on something when it
is on sale. And speaking of on sale. The day after Thanksgiving most
stores mark down the price of the turkeys dramatically. I got some
last year for 29 cents/pound!
Penny & The Menagerie

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2d. Re: is this turkey ok to feed???
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:27 am ((PST))

emil smolensky <esmolensky@...> wrote:
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> I bought the same ones I think and they have 8% turkey broth
solution. I wash it before I hand it to my dog to get some of the
broth off. My dog has no problem with it. It really just depends on
how your dog handles it.
> E & Reagan
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entire original post and there is no need to send back all Yahoo
stuff below that. Below my signature you will find all the stuff
that rarely needs to be there. Thanks.

Second, enhancements are injected not slathered on the skin, so
rinsing is doing nothing. If your dog is doing will with the
enhanced chicken you fed, it's because it's not bothered by the
saline solution or other chemicals, not because you rinsed it off.

It's possible that the "butterball" kind of turkey has a butter-like
substance (I shudder to think) laarded under the skin for "yum, yum,
slow basting" but that's a different insult than the usual
enhancements.

Chris O

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2e. Re: is this turkey ok to feed???
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:27 am ((PST))

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2f. Re: is this turkey ok to feed???
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:41 am ((PST))

MustBLuvSpaniels@... wrote:
> Is this turkey good to feed to my dogs?
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If you can't find a shred of evidence that the birds have been
injected to compensate for lack of flavor or moisture, I'd say yes
and buy more. If you find that little mousetype legal statement that
says the birds have indeed been injected, then buy one and see how it
goes. I choose not to feed injected turkey but you get to make your
own decisions on this. Fortunately, you can change you mind one way
or the other, as often as you need to.

What doe Minimally processed
*****
It means that the bird has been prepared for market using as few
intrusive steps as possible, which is the best we can hope for from
commercially available poultry.

> They are frozen, so If I thaw them enough to chop them up, is it
safe to
> refreeze them and feed later?
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Absolutely.
Chris O

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3a. Re: New to raw - made mistakes - need help
Posted by: "eyed_blue" eyed_blue@yahoo.co.uk eyed_blue
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:05 am ((PST))

Hi, I find that raw 'green' tripe from cow or lamb is very gentle on
the tummy in small amounts throughout the day, following a fast day.
This seems to work for mine anyway (but be warned of the smell from it
in your house!!!) If you do this it only takes that fast day and the
small meals to sort them out, presuming its not a health issue (which
in your case its not)

When I started feeding raw, my pup was already eating the tripe with
his usual meal so just added chicken. I introduced a new protein
every three days and this seemed fine, I only gave a tiny bit liver
when introduced but if I would be using cooked liver as training
treats then I dont bother giving more as a raw food but will give a
wee bit kidney instead that week.

You will find you soon settle into the way of it and the best thing is
you really get to 'know your dog' in the process. Raw feeding is the
best thing I have done for my dogs health.

Natalie

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4a. Re: Caught my dog with a joint
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:15 am ((PST))

JustTom <general.woundwort@...> wrote:
> Does everyone else tend to
> let their venison have some time in the freezer before
> giving it, or do some give it fresh?
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I use the freezer as a storage facility. When I get fresh venison I
feed some then freeze the rest for later use. I would be inclined to
let the girl proceed.
Chris O

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4b. Re: Caught my dog with a joint
Posted by: "Penny (Nickles) Parker" loverladymaggiemae@yahoo.com loverladymaggiemae
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:26 am ((PST))

tom
I would let her just go at it. She is obviously doing just fine with
what she has eaten so why spoil a good thing?
I also feed fresh and then freeze the rest when we get any thing like
deer, turkey, etc. I have small dogs and a turkey is a 2 day meal for
them ;)
Penny & The Menagerie

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5a. ANYONE NEAR GRIFFIN, GA? Free meat..
Posted by: "Donna" donnad2998@yahoo.com donnad2998
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:26 am ((PST))

Free meat. Processed ground deer. About 10 packeages. He is a hunter
and will have more possibly. Contact me off site Donnad2998@yahoo.com
if you are interested.
Donna

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5b. Re: ANYONE NEAR GRIFFIN, GA? Free meat..
Posted by: "cmhausrath" cmhausrath@yahoo.com cmhausrath
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:47 am ((PST))

"Donna" <donnad2998@...> wrote:

> Free meat. Processed ground deer. About 10 packeages. He is a hunter
> and will have more possibly.

Yes! I'm near Griffin! He's lying on the floor right by my feet!
Yay, free meat!!

Oh, no, wait. Drat. I don't guess this means MY Griffin. If it did,
we'd surely be in business. He does love him some venison.

Oh well.

-- sandy & griffin (in Va, not Ga)

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5c. Re: ANYONE NEAR GRIFFIN, GA? Free meat..
Posted by: "MORGAN LEWIS" shadowland22000@yahoo.com shadowland22000
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:58 am ((PST))

I'm in Loganville ,Ga. Morgan
cmhausrath <cmhausrath@yahoo.com> wrote: "Donna" <donnad2998@...> wrote:

> Free meat. Processed ground deer. About 10 packeages. He is a hunter
> and will have more possibly.

Yes! I'm near Griffin! He's lying on the floor right by my feet!
Yay, free meat!!

Oh, no, wait. Drat. I don't guess this means MY Griffin. If it did,
we'd surely be in business. He does love him some venison.

Oh well.

-- sandy & griffin (in Va, not Ga)

Morgan and His Angels
Precious, OFA
Princess, CGC, TDI, GSDCA Health Award

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5d. Re: ANYONE NEAR GRIFFIN, GA? Free meat..
Posted by: "Donna" donnad2998@yahoo.com donnad2998
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:32 am ((PST))

It has been taken. If I hear of anymore I will let you know.
Donna

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> Free meat. Processed ground deer. About 10 packeages. He is a hunter
> and will have more possibly. Contact me off site Donnad2998@...
> if you are interested.
> Donna
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6a. Throwing Up Bone?
Posted by: "tdifr62" tdifraia@comcast.net tdifr62
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:41 am ((PST))

My 11 Mo Old English Mastiff has been on raw since I got him from the
breeder. Recently I purchased some VERY large Turkey Drums. The bones
are big. He eats them no problem, but the next day he throws up a
small amount of undigested bone, along with some grass. He does this
every time he has the Turkey Drums. Is it OK to continue feeding him
the Turkey Drums? The piece he is tossing up is the bottom of the
Drum. It is rolled up in the grass. Almost as if the grass protects
his throat from any sharp pieces of the bone. He digests all other
bones from his other meals. The piece is about 1/2 - 1" in length.
Tommy D

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6b. Re: Throwing Up Bone?
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:39 am ((PST))

I imagine it will go away as time goes on, it did with my dogs. You
might also add some meat to the meal, that helped with mine as well.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "tdifr62" <tdifraia@...> wrote:

> the next day he throws up a small amount of undigested bone, along
> with some grass. He does this every time he has the Turkey Drums. Is
> it OK to continue feeding him the Turkey Drums?

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6c. Re: Throwing Up Bone?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:02 am ((PST))

"tdifr62" <tdifraia@...> wrote:>
> My 11 Mo Old English Mastiff has been on raw since I got him from the
> breeder.
*****
Eight months? Nine?

He eats them no problem, but the next day he throws up a
> small amount of undigested bone, along with some grass. He does this
> every time he has the Turkey Drums. Is it OK to continue feeding him
> the Turkey Drums?
*****
Throwing up bits of undigested bone is how a dog gets rid of the
irritation. NOT throwing them up can be a more difficult issue. I
suspect this will fade with experience, and the grass is probably eaten
initate the vomiting process. This too is not a bad thing. Messy
maybe, but not inappropriate.

The piece he is tossing up is the bottom of the
> Drum. It is rolled up in the grass. Almost as if the grass protects
> his throat from any sharp pieces of the bone
*****
It may well but I doubt his intention is to protect his troat. Good
though that it works out that way. Another reason to assume there's
nothing to worry about here. If he consistenly horks the joint and it
consistently concerns you, cut the joint off before you feed the leg.
Chris O

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6d. Re: Throwing Up Bone?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:02 am ((PST))

"tdifr62" <tdifraia@...> wrote:>
> My 11 Mo Old English Mastiff has been on raw since I got him from the
> breeder.
*****
Eight months? Nine?

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6e. Duplicates/Re: Throwing Up Bone?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:06 am ((PST))

Please excuse the bad manners of my computer. Or perhaps it's Yahoo
that is acting badly. Either way, I am sending double posts and dang
if I know why. Sorry.
Chris O

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7a. Re: deer chest carcus
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:08 am ((PST))

"Have a friend bringing me a chest carcus complete. sugestions please on
the best way to feed to 2 GSDs. Morgan"
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For my bunch (all 80+ lbs) I cut the carcass in half width wise between the
ribs, if it's a huge deer I might be able to cut it into thirds and feed as
a whole meal if there is lots of meat left.
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Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com

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