Feed Pets Raw Food: [rawfeeding] Digest Number 12271

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Dog breed abbreviations
From: miensasis
1b. Re: Dog breed abbreviations
From: Yasuko herron
1c. Re: Dog breed abbreviations
From: Marcella Burgess
1d. Re: Dog breed abbreviations
From: Anntiga@aol.com
1e. Re: Dog breed abbreviations
From: cmhausrath
1f. Re: Dog breed abbreviations
From: steph.sorensen
1g. Re: Dog breed abbreviations
From: Doguefan@aol.com
1h. Re: Dog breed abbreviations
From: Anntiga@aol.com
1i. Re: Dog breed abbreviations
From: ginny wilken

2a. Re: Throwing Up Bone?
From: ginny wilken

3a. Re: is this turkey ok to feed???
From: mariasmom2001

4. Lamb Head Question
From: christyb

5a. Fowl
From: Yasuko herron

6a. Re: Nutritional content of raw meat
From: spricketysprock
6b. Re: Nutritional content of raw meat
From: mariasmom2001
6c. Re: Nutritional content of raw meat
From: Yasuko herron
6d. Re: Nutritional content of raw meat
From: darkstardog
6e. Re: Nutritional content of raw meat
From: carnesbill
6f. Whole raw feeders
From: Caren OConnor

7. ADMIN:DOG ABBREVIATIONS
From: GWB

8a. Update on Frankie!
From: deerajska
8b. Re: Update on Frankie!
From: cspisto@aol.com

9a. Re: Duplicates/Re: Throwing Up Bone?
From: Giselle

10. FW: [rawcat] Re: bones
From: Alexandra de Guzman

11. FW: New to the list- and question PLEASE
From: Alexandra de Guzman

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1a. Dog breed abbreviations
Posted by: "miensasis" kpmnlm@patmedia.net miensasis
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:52 am ((PST))

I was wondering if a list exists somewhere that links the different dog
breeds with their abbreviations. For instance, I've seen GSD several
times and figured out it was a german sheperd dog...but more recently
I've seen BC and haven't a clue what that is. I've checked the "Files"
for this group and didn't see one posted. Its just helpful sometimes
to be able to decipher the breed in posts because it gives an idea of
the size and weight of the dog being referenced and makes it easier to
relate the info to our own dogs. If there is a ready-access list,
great. If not, you could e-mail me the ones you know. I'd certainly
be willing to compile such a list from those e-mails and share with the
list. I'd think it would be especially helpful for newbies like me. I
figure I can't be the only one who is lost sometimes...LOL.

Nancy

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1b. Re: Dog breed abbreviations
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 11:25 am ((PST))

>I've seen BC and haven't a clue what that is

I am guessing Boarder Collies???
I think PWD is portugese water Dog,I believe.
And doxie is dachsfund,I think.

I do not know about my breed abbreviation... could be PWC???? because pembroke welsh corgi???

Others,I know of not breed are

IMO:In my opinion
FYI;For your information

As you be on this list and keep reading,and ask when you could not understand,you will lean more.

yassy

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1c. Re: Dog breed abbreviations
Posted by: "Marcella Burgess" proudfootkennels@sympatico.ca marciongrass
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 11:25 am ((PST))

I don't know all the abbreviations but here are a couple of them
a.. GSD German Shepherd
b.. OEM Old English Mastiff
c.. BC Border Collie
d.. SAB South African Boerboel
e.. IS Irish Setter
f.. ES English Setter
g.. RC Rough Coated Collie
Then again... not sure if these are in fact correct, just what "I" know them to be....

Marcella

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1d. Re: Dog breed abbreviations
Posted by: "Anntiga@aol.com" Anntiga@aol.com anntiga
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 12:02 pm ((PST))

In a message dated 11/12/2007 10:52:42 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
kpmnlm@patmedia.net writes:

the different dog
breeds with their abbreviations
Good idea!

PWD stands for Portuguese Water Dog!

Ann and Norman (PWD)
San Francisco Peninsula, CA, USA

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1e. Re: Dog breed abbreviations
Posted by: "cmhausrath" cmhausrath@yahoo.com cmhausrath
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 12:14 pm ((PST))

"miensasis" <kpmnlm@...> wrote:

> I was wondering if a list exists somewhere that links the different
dog
> breeds with their abbreviations.

I've never looked for a list, b/c google has never let me down. Do
something like "BC dog breed" whenever you get stumped, and it'll let
you know (through the results it returns) that BC = border collie,
PWC = pembroke welsh corgi (yes, Yassy, you were right), GSP = german
shorthaired pointer -- et cetera.

Not only does google know all that, but I just looked and did find a
couple lists, most notably

http://stason.org/TULARC/animals/dogs/acronym-list-faq/019-Breed-
acronyms.html and

http://www.k9web.com/dog-faqs/lists/acronym-list.html#breed

And there are bound to be more.

-- sandy (googling madly) & griffin (is a google edible?)

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1f. Re: Dog breed abbreviations
Posted by: "steph.sorensen" steph.sorensen@yahoo.com steph.sorensen
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 12:21 pm ((PST))

I can fill in a few:

AST - American Staffordshire Terrier
APBT - American Pit Bull Terrier
ABT - American Bull Terrier
JRT - Jack Russell Terror - oops! I mean Terrier

As for the rest, I'm not real sure...but I'm sure someone on this
list knows more!

-Steph
Scarlet, Lucy and Minkey (the kitty)

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> the different dog
> breeds with their abbreviations
> Good idea!
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> PWD stands for Portuguese Water Dog!
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> Ann and Norman (PWD)
> San Francisco Peninsula, CA, USA
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1g. Re: Dog breed abbreviations
Posted by: "Doguefan@aol.com" Doguefan@aol.com knoxkennels
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 12:58 pm ((PST))

DDB=Dogue de Bordeaux, also known as a French mastiif or "Hooch dog"

Chelsea

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From: steph.sorensen <steph.sorensen@yahoo.com>
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 12:15 pm
Subject: [rawfeeding] Re: Dog breed abbreviations

I can fill in a few:

AST - American Staffordshire Terrier
APBT - American Pit Bull Terrier
ABT - American Bull Terrier
JRT - Jack Russell Terror - oops! I mean Terrier

As for the rest, I'm not real sure...but I'm sure someone on this
list knows more!

-Steph
Scarlet, Lucy and Minkey (the kitty)

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1h. Re: Dog breed abbreviations
Posted by: "Anntiga@aol.com" Anntiga@aol.com anntiga
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 12:58 pm ((PST))

In a message dated 11/12/2007 12:21:08 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
steph.sorensen@yahoo.com writes:

JRT - Jack Russell Terror - oops! I mean Terrier

Someone somewhere once called terriers "Terrierists." I thought that was
cute. I love terriers by the way.

Ann and Norman (PWD)
San Francisco, CA, USA

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1i. Re: Dog breed abbreviations
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 1:19 pm ((PST))

AST - American Staffordshire Terrier, or Amstaff
SBT - Staffordshire Bull Terrier, or Staffie, or Stafford
BT - Bull Terrier (Spuds or the Target dog)
APBT - American Pit Bull Terrier
ABD - Ambull, or American Bulldog

JRT - Jack Russell Terrier, aka Parson Russell Terrier in the AKC
WHT - West Highland Terrier

ACD - Australian cattle dog, blue heeler
ASD - Australian Shepherd, Aussie
OES - Old English Sheepdog
PBGV - Petit Basset Griffon Vendeen

off the top of my head.

ginny and Tomo

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2a. Re: Throwing Up Bone?
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 11:14 am ((PST))

On Nov 12, 2007, at 8:39 AM, tdifr62 wrote:

> My 11 Mo Old English Mastiff has been on raw since I got him from the
> breeder. Recently I purchased some VERY large Turkey Drums. The bones
> are big. He eats them no problem, but the next day he throws up a
> small amount of undigested bone, along with some grass. He does this
> every time he has the Turkey Drums. Is it OK to continue feeding him
> the Turkey Drums? The piece he is tossing up is the bottom of the
> Drum. It is rolled up in the grass. Almost as if the grass protects
> his throat from any sharp pieces of the bone. He digests all other
> bones from his other meals. The piece is about 1/2 - 1" in length.
> Tommy D
>

I count this as normal. He's certainly large enough to deal with
fragments that size! My guy does the same with turkey vertebrae and
shards of shanks, sometimes days after they were fed.

ginny and Tomo

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3a. Re: is this turkey ok to feed???
Posted by: "mariasmom2001" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 11:21 am ((PST))

And if you believe that, I've got some ocean front property in
Kansas! :))

You might want to go back and read some of these messages from past
discussions. Unfortunately, these injections are not just "normal
saline". They can contain phosphates and other chemicals, sugar and
various flavor enhancers...and of course they don't tell you how much
salt.

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/101792
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/129992
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/123081

Sandee

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Penny (Nickles) Parker"
<loverladymaggiemae@...> wrote:

> I feed my dogs and fosters chicken from Walmart. It is cheap and it
> has saline injected into it. That is the same stuff that they give
> your dog IV when it is sick, dehydrated, etc. In all my research, I
> have never found that normal saline will hurt a healthy dog. But
this
> is up to you.

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4. Lamb Head Question
Posted by: "christyb" christyb@cox.net christyb14
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 11:24 am ((PST))

Hi,

I purchased a grass fed lamb and requested that it not be sheared.
They had to shear some for butchering purposes but some still has
it's wooly coat!

I did all this BEFORE I read here that feeding an unshorn lamb could
be dangerous so I have been removing it on pieces when necessary -
lovely task for a wimpy city gal!

One piece that I have not gotten to yet is the head and I fear that
it is unshorn - it is one thing to be pulling off the skin on a slab
of meat quite another to pulling if off when the poor thing is
staring back at me, I don't think I can do it to be honest.

If the head is unshorn would it be okay to feed or absolutely not or
go ahead but quite risky?

Thanks!!
Christy

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5a. Fowl
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 11:25 am ((PST))

Hi. Last Saturday was my grocery shopping day and,our grocerystore;Giant,had Fowl with $1.30/lb and,I got whole Fowl (6lb bird) for palette.

Since that day,we were sort of late to go shopping so,I cut-up bird yesterday.

My questions are..

1> Fowl is Gunia Fowl?? Bag said just "Fowl".

2>I usually give bits of wahtever I am cutting to palette,just about thumb nail size.
I gave 2 thumb nail sized bits of Fowl afternoon before dinner,and we played with ball.
she woke me up in themiddle of night for potty andshe had gooey poo.

Everything she gott except bits of Fowl was old protins;things that she torelate very well on already.

She was exploring outside while playing ball and it is possible she ate something I did not notice andthat may have caused poo prob.

Is it possible that tiny piece of Fowl (not organ;in fact the bird did not have pouch of gizzard etc inside thecavaty)could give poo problems after 10 hours later??? Or something she had while playing after 8 hours?? It is hard to believe it was dinner;sardine with chicken feet.Shehas fed this combo now andthen and no prob before....

Anyway,after dosed with probiotic,she did round cute poo on walk today and she seems fine.

I thoght that Fowl was score for me but scraching my head thinking what caused this poo problems.

yassy

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6a. Re: Nutritional content of raw meat
Posted by: "spricketysprock" jess.hamway@gmail.com spricketysprock
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 12:02 pm ((PST))

Are they comparing between raw meat and kibble? An easy way is to look
at the percentages of protein which are on the labels of every bag of
kibble. They usually range from 20-30%. Dehydrated meat is used in
kibble, which is actually extremely high in protein because all the
water is taken out. This is termed meat meal (sometimes this is used
as a marketing tool, claiming that chicken meal is better quality than
whole chicken because it is higher in protein.) To prevent too high of
protein, grain is used in the rest of processing. Evo has no grain and
the protein is something like 40%, which can be bad for aging or very
large breeds.

If you look at the protein content on packaged raw foods, it's
substantially lower because of the other components in the whole meat,
such as water, bones, etc. In Nature's Variety Beef, for example, the
protein is only 13% despite being 95% meat.

Sorry if I'm reiterating old news, thought I'd put in my 2 cents from
working at a pet store!

Jess & Toby

> > Does anyone here have a link to a website that shows the nutrional
> > content of raw meat. I'm on a general dog website and want
> > evidence to show that meat is not 100% protein as a few of the
> > members there are insisting it is.
>

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6b. Re: Nutritional content of raw meat
Posted by: "mariasmom2001" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 12:06 pm ((PST))

Here ya go, Evie....

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/
Some examples:
100g beef chuck
19% protein/62% water

100g pork shoulder
17% protein/62% water

100g chicken
18% protein/66% water

100g domestic rabbit
20% protein/73% water

Sandee

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> Hi,
>
> Does anyone here have a link to a website that shows the nutrional
> content of raw meat. I'm on a general dog website and want evidence
to
> show that meat is not 100% protein as a few of the members there are
> insisting it is.

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6c. Re: Nutritional content of raw meat
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 1:29 pm ((PST))

Hi.go to www.nutritiondata.com

It tells you everything from calcium,phosphorus,Vitamins,Omega 3,Omega 6 etc etc for each item you like to look at.And it tells moisture % in food too.

you are right. Meat does not have 100 protins but it has other nutrition value too.

yassy

ps;remember that it is hard to look up something like neck meat..

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6d. Re: Nutritional content of raw meat
Posted by: "darkstardog" darkstardog@charter.net darkstardog
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:00 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Evie" <archie.willow@...> wrote:
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> I'm on a general dog website and want evidence to
> show that meat is not 100% protein as a few of the members there are
> insisting it is. (Doing my best to spread the word!) They are
>mostly homecooked diet feeders aware of the evils of kibble.
>

Raw meat is not 100% protein because of its water content but also
because of its fat content.

But it seems like they probably had some point to make beyond asking
for the simple value of the percent protein in a piece of raw meat.
When they claimed raw meat was 100% protein, you might think about
what points they were trying to make, what foods they were comparing
the raw diet to, and why. Maybe they were making unjustified negative
assumptions about protein in the diet.

A raw diet definitely might have more protein in a dog's daily intake
than a homecooked diet if the homecooked diet was partly or heavily
carbs. It would depend on the actual raw diet fed, and how much fat
was in the meat, versus the actual homecooked diet fed and its fat,
carb, and protein content.

Were they including or ignoring the water content? Recalculating to
ignore water content is mostly an issue when trying to compare raw
diets to commercial diets, and it seems like it wouldn't necessarily
be a factor in comparing a raw diet to a homecooked diet.

Beef chuck might have about 19% protein, 62% water, but also 18% fat.
So its non-water content by weight is about half protein, half fat.
Even if you ignore the water content, it is still far from 100%
protein. Chicken breast might have 23% protein, 75% water, 2% fat. So
its non-water content by weight is about 90% protein, about 10% fat.
Because it is so lean, the protein content is much closer to 100% if
you ignore water content.

Marty

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6e. Re: Nutritional content of raw meat
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:00 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "spricketysprock"
<jess.hamway@...> wrote:
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> Dehydrated meat is used in
> kibble, which is actually extremely high in protein because all the
> water is taken out. This is termed meat meal ...

Jess,
Meat meal used in kibble is not dehydrated meat. Meat meal is what
is left of the carcass after human useable meat has been removed.
It is made up mostly of bone, heads, feet, etc. It is the refuse
from the human food processing plants. The greatest percentage of
it is bone. It is weighed as dry matter because bone just doesn't
hold water. Meat is mostly water and is weighed as wet matter. In
other words, meal is naturally dry and meat is naturally wet.

> To prevent too high of protein, grain is used in the rest
> of processing.

Grain is used for one reason only. It is super cheap compared to
meat.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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6f. Whole raw feeders
Posted by: "Caren OConnor" cavkist@yahoo.com cavkist
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:41 pm ((PST))

Hope someone more experienced with rawfeeding will know the answer to this. I apologize in advance if the answer can be found in the archives, as I didn't check there first.

When I feed whole prey, exclusively rabbit to date, my dog always goes for the head first and consumes the prey in that direction, head, then body. Everything I ever read about animals taking down prey said that the animal goes for the gut and intestines first. My question,
Why does my boy always start at the head and eat that first?

Thanks, just curious.
Caren O'Connor
Nansemond Cavaliers

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7. ADMIN:DOG ABBREVIATIONS
Posted by: "GWB" chiksika@comcast.net kioqua
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 1:00 pm ((PST))

Some posts on this have been allowed but from now on PLEASE, take this
to RawChat!!!

Rawchat@yahoogroups.com

No more mails will be approved.

Please and thank you,

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8a. Update on Frankie!
Posted by: "deerajska" d.rajska@gmail.com deerajska
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 1:43 pm ((PST))

Hi everyone,

My 7.5 week-old Cairn/Westie terrier pup, Frankie, has been home since
Friday, and since so many of you here on the list were so wonderfully
supportive in helping me prepare for his arrival - I thought I'd post a
message to let you all know how he's doing...

In a word: wonderfully!!!

Unfortunately, he was off to a very conventional start. The breeder had
him on a corn-based ki**le. His entire little body had a nasty smell
that would linger on your hand if you touched him, he had horrible
breath, gas, and watery discharge from his left eye. The breeder said
he would likely inherit his daddy's (Cairn) rough coat, because he was
anything but soft to the touch.

Of course, we ditched the Poison Pebbles before we even got home. We
started on a diet of fresh quail, half a bird per serving. I also added
raw egg, mixed with digestive enzymes to ease his transition. I'm happy
to report, we enountered *no* digestive upset.

Clearly, anyone who has ever made the argument that 'dogs have been
domesticated for so long they are nothing like wolves" has never tried
to feed real food to a pup. From hs very first enoucounter with real
food - my little boy immediately knew exactly what to do with it. He
dragged it to his favourite spot, pushed down on it with both forepaws,
and tugged, and crunched, and chewed... And picked it up and shook, and
pounced, and squealed with joy. And when he'd had enough - he waited
until I wasn't looking, and found a hidey-spot for his leftovers in the
magazine rack!!!

Well, fast forward a couple of days, and his eye is perfect, his breath
is sweet, his body smells wonderful and - as for the comment that his
coast would be rough - when you touch him now he feels less like a
Cairn/Westie cross and more like a silk/cashmere cross!!!

He also quickly learned that the refrigerator is the world's source of
yumminess, so every time the door opens - a ball of black fluff comes
bounding across the apartment to stick his little nose in there, and
stand up and press his little tummy against the veggie crisper to gaze
lovingly up at the tray of quail :) When I take it out, he jumps and
squeals and bounces and runs to his eating spot. He's gotten so good at
it that now he can devour the whole half a quail in under 15 minutes -
so I have to watch him carefully because leftovers are at risk of being
crammed into the corners of the bookshelf :)

Anyhow - thanks everyone!!!

Dee & Frankie

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8b. Re: Update on Frankie!
Posted by: "cspisto@aol.com" cspisto@aol.com spistochris
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:13 pm ((PST))

Hi Dee,

I have 2, 6-year-old Goldens now transitioning from conventional commercial food to Bones and Raw Food.? Where did you find/purchase digestive enzymes and what do I look for when buying?

So glad to hear Frankie is doing well now!

Thanks.

Chris

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From: deerajska <d.rajska@gmail.com>
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 1:35 pm
Subject: [rawfeeding] Update on Frankie!

Hi everyone,

In a word: wonderfully!!!

Anyhow - thanks everyone!!!

Dee & Frankie

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9a. Re: Duplicates/Re: Throwing Up Bone?
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:12 pm ((PST))

Hi, Chris!
I've been getting some dupes, some from raw feeding, some from
raw chat. Some are days old.
None specifically from you.
*shrug*
I think Yahoo!s been boozin' agin.
TC
Giselle

On Nov 12, 2007 1:06 PM, costrowski75 <Chriso75@aol.com> wrote:

> Please excuse the bad manners of my computer. Or perhaps it's Yahoo
> that is acting badly. Either way, I am sending double posts and dang
> if I know why. Sorry.
> Chris O
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10. FW: [rawcat] Re: bones
Posted by: "Alexandra de Guzman" degoonacoon@earthlink.net degoonacoon
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:14 pm ((PST))

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Conversation: [rawcat] Re: bones
Subject: Re: [rawcat] Re: bones

Ok so skin and all? On the chicken say? Now no feathers? Or do you guys just
get the whole bird and cur up chunks with the skina and all? Should I not be
concerned that some of my little ones might not be able to chew up the tough
skin? Thanks Alex
> Nope, smash away. Anything smallish is great - rabbit, quail, cornish
> hen, mice, etc. all good. Duck ribs are particularly flexible/easy,
> but I've known cats who could put paid to pork ribs with astonishing
> effeciency... And you give raw pork ribs? Man that would be the one thing that
I have programmed to worry about???? Alex
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> Casey
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11. FW: New to the list- and question PLEASE
Posted by: "Alexandra de Guzman" degoonacoon@earthlink.net degoonacoon
Date: Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:14 pm ((PST))

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From: Alexandra de Guzman <degoonacoon@earthlink.net>
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 11:29:51 -0800
To: <rawcat@yahoogroups.com>
Conversation: New to the list- and question PLEASE
Subject: New to the list- and question PLEASE

Hi- I am a Maine coon breeder who has been raw feeding..is that the polite
way to say?..for years now and give no dry.
Even those that are raw based but dry..I have seen an increase in dental
problems in my case at way too young an age. My older folks seem to be OK..I
have based my diet on those with and without bones at CatNutrition.Org..but
I have been grinding the chicken.Now I see that it would be more beneficial
and also help with the dental disease that I am seeing, if I just whack some
chicken bones with meat still attached ie chicken necks.. thighs or turkey
necks... back bones of raw turkey etc...!! You guys don't put anything else
in your diets? No taurine Omega 3's etc? I would be very interested in the
different views on the subject... This is a concern of mine and something
that I really have not seen before in my younger cats!! My kittens are
already and always have been on a natural/ and /or raw diet. I find some new
parents are way reluctant to feed this way. So hence I use Halo Spot Stew
also at times or make my own chicken cooked though just in case they refuse
to continue this good diet..Any and all input would be appreciated..I have
been looking at the old files etc as I do not want to bore all of you
old-timers with my questions...
Thank you Alex

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