[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12282
There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1a. Re: I need a new vet!!
From: Donna
2a. After chicken, what's next?
From: marlena_adema
2b. Re: After chicken, what's next?
From: Andrea
3a. Re: Would like to start feeding raw diet
From: katkellm
3b. Re: Would like to start feeding raw diet
From: Giselle
4a. 11 year old bulldog
From: monicanation7
4b. Re: 11 year old bulldog
From: rosey031801
4c. Re: 11 year old bulldog
From: costrowski75
4d. Re: 11 year old bulldog
From: carnesbill
5a. Re: possible allergies??
From: Andrea
5b. Re: possible allergies??
From: costrowski75
5c. Re: possible allergies??
From: Mundi Smithers
6a. Re: They won't eat chicken
From: Andrea
7.1. Re: Chicken Backs
From: Andrea
7.2. Re: Chicken Backs
From: Alexandra de Guzman
8a. Re: 2 months into raw
From: Andrea
9a. constipated puppy
From: droghedabullmastiff@comcast.net
10a. arthritis
From: kkellogg22004
10b. Re: arthritis
From: rosey031801
11a. Re: 15 wk old puppy
From: Sonja
11b. Re: 15 wk old puppy
From: Felicia Kost
11c. Re: 15 wk old puppy
From: Sandee Lee
12a. Cutting up whole turkeys
From: jenvandecar
12b. Re: Cutting up whole turkeys
From: Giselle
13. good price or not?
From: hunterblu123
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1a. Re: I need a new vet!!
Posted by: "Donna" donnad2998@yahoo.com donnad2998
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2007 6:25 am ((PST))
I printed out information on RAW feeding and took it to my new vet.
I said this is how I feed my dogs. If you want to be of service to
them them please read about how they are fed so you can treat them
accordingly. I thanked her and turned and walked out. If they want
my business they will read.
Donna
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Shannon Parker <mrbatisse@...>
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> Hi There,
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> Just stop telling your vet you feed raw. They are the last
person you should look to for an unbiased opinion, so just tell them
you feed a high quality kibble. Most dog-related issues won't be a
result of your diet, especially if you're on raw.
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> Is there anyone out there who can recommend a vet in the Montreal
area
> that won't tell me what an idiot I am for feeding my dog a raw
diet?
> I've already been to three that have warned me of the horrible
danger
> I'm putting my dog in. Please help...
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2a. After chicken, what's next?
Posted by: "marlena_adema" marlena_adema@yahoo.ca marlena_adema
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2007 6:46 am ((PST))
My pooch has been on raw chicken for about 3 weeks. She's begun
turkey and small amounts of chicken liver. All goes well. But what
new meats can I now start introducing? I'm thinking the next step is
lamb, beef, pork and fish -- but should I be doing this in any order
working her way up from easier to digest meat to meat for
more "advanced" raw feeders?
I would appreciate it if someone could guide us into our second phase,
3rd, 4th ...
Thanks kindly,
Marlena
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2b. Re: After chicken, what's next?
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2007 7:08 am ((PST))
There's no "best" next choice, just as long as you don't go nuts with
variety. You could continue with turkey until you are sure she's good
with it. You could go to pork after that, then rabbit, then beef, etc.
Depending on how your girl did with the initial transition, I would
recommend adding some new food to a small chicken meal and working up
the amount of new food over a couple of days. With turkey it isn't
that big of a deal, but beef and pork can create loose stools since
they are generally fattier than poultry.
Andrea
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "marlena_adema" <marlena_adema@...>
wrote:
> I'm thinking the next step is lamb, beef, pork and fish -- but should
> I be doing this in any order working her way up from easier to digest
> meat to meat for more "advanced" raw feeders?
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3a. Re: Would like to start feeding raw diet
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2007 6:47 am ((PST))
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "stark_rain24" <stark_rain24@...>
wrote:
> Here are my questions:
> 1. I live in a small condo and don't have the funds or space to get
a freezer. Is it still
> possible to raw feed fairly inexpensively, if I'm not able to buy in
bulk?
You can usually find meat on sale at the grocery store every week, so
you just need to watch the ads and buy whats on sale. Here is a link
to check for stores around you
> 2. How much do you typically pay per month for raw feeding? I'm
feeding Timberwolf right
> now, which for my dog, who is a 50 lbs, is about $25 or a little
more per month.
I keep my cost at a dollar a pound. Usually you can find chicken on
sale for less than a dollar a pound and that then allows you to spend
more than a dollar on pork or beef. The cost can average out to be
about a dollar a pound. Since your dog weighs 50lbs you will probably
want to feed about a pound a day so you'll spend about a dollar a day.
> 3. Would a place like Kroger's have things like organs, or should I
find a more private, old
> school grocery store?
I am sure that Giselle will send you the link for the Lis list which
lists ways to source out meats economically. I live in the country
and go to the the slaughterhouse for some things now, but before i did
that kind of thing, i averaged out at a dollar a pound from the
Jewel, Wal-Mart, and some local stores.
> This message board is really great bc it would be almost impossible
for me to get the
> initiative to change over without support and info.
I fed Timberwolf, California Natural, and Natures Variety prior to
feeding raw, and i can tell you with a 100% sincerity that switching
to raw was the best thing i have done for my 3. They have had skin
and eating disorder issues disappear on raw. Meal time is sooo fun
now. Even if it wasn't better for them, which it is, they are
mentally happier on a raw diet. Really and truthfully, you can do it
for about the same price as designer kibble, but you'll get tons more
for your buck. KathyM
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3b. Re: Would like to start feeding raw diet
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2007 10:31 am ((PST))
Wa-La!
The Lis List;
*http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/139618*
*Post #139618*
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey
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> I am sure that Giselle will send you the link for the Lis list which
> lists ways to source out meats economically. I live in the country
> and go to the the slaughterhouse for some things now, but before i did
> that kind of thing, i averaged out at a dollar a pound from the
> Jewel, Wal-Mart, and some local stores.
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4a. 11 year old bulldog
Posted by: "monicanation7" monicanation@hvc.rr.com monicanation7
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2007 6:59 am ((PST))
MODERATORS NOTE:SIGN YOUR MAILS!!!
hi i'm new to the group and wanted some advice about portions and suppliments. my
bulldog began showing signs of arthritis - was limping etc and had a really dry nose - an
eye was starting to get a white film - scary! so a friend told me about raw diet and hit it
home by mentioning canines never mastered the art of starting a fire! the misconception
that dogs need food cooked because of parasites etc has been used to scare most people
out of a raw diet - people identify with their pets sometimes on a "human" level and can't
imagine their "baby" eating raw meat because they don't... i can see how commerical dog
"food" companies exploint this the max. anyway since i started her on raw meat - i
started with ground beef adding carrots - parsley - flax seed - brewers yeast - beef hearts
ground - liver ground - made into patties - froze it and kept three days in the fridge at a
time - (we call it the meat drop) he arthritis is gone - her nose is wet - her skin has
blackened where it had "faded" and her eye is totally healed. she lost about 7 (un-needed)
pounds and looks like a puppy - so i am sure i'm on the right path - even at this late stage
in the game. two questions- my vet said that raw chicken can kill a dog via salmonella
(sp) and under no circumstances should i feed the dog raw chicken - and she basically
looked at me like i was killing my dog by feeding it raw - like "you'll see" - i didn't stop
the diet but stopped chicken. - no i'm reading that grinding the meat is not good and she
should have pieces etc.. with bone..
what exactly should i ask my butcher for? shoud i cut a piece of liver and or heart and just
throw it into the bowl? how much? she'll eat anything and everything i put in her bowl so
iportion out her meat to about 12-13 ounces split in two - morning and night - seems
like a good amount - plus lots of marrow bones - what about parsley - carrots etc.. is
this a waste to give her?
i'm a believer in the diet - you'd be foolish to feed your dog anything else! thanks very
much!
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4b. Re: 11 year old bulldog
Posted by: "rosey031801" rosey031801@sbcglobal.net rosey031801
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:22 am ((PST))
You said...
>>>>my vet said that raw chicken can kill a dog via salmonella
(sp) and under no circumstances should i feed the dog raw chicken - and
she basically looked at me like i was killing my dog by feeding it raw -
like "you'll see" - i didn't stop the diet but stopped chicken. -<<<<<<
There is no truth in this. I have fed my dog primarily chicken since
june 06. Why would chicken be any different than other meats? They are
all safe for dogs to eat raw. Your vet wants to discourage you because
of his own opinion and lack of knowledge. I give my dog raw meat, bone
and all, mostly leg quarters. I give beef liver, kidney and also eggs
too to provide a variety but not daily.
Read some more here and you will see the truth. Change vets!
Cheryl
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4c. Re: 11 year old bulldog
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:51 am ((PST))
"monicanation7" <monicanation@...> wrote:
>> hi i'm new to the group and wanted some advice about portions and
suppliments.
*****
This part is easy: feed 2%-3% of your dog's ideal adult weight using
a variety of animal proteins and a variety of body parts. Use
supplements if and when specific issues require them.
Supplementing "just because" is like throwing darts in the dark.
my
> bulldog began showing signs of arthritis - was limping etc and had
a really dry nose - an
> eye was starting to get a white film - scary!
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How old is your bulldog?
anyway since i started her on raw meat - i
> started with ground beef adding carrots - parsley - flax seed -
brewers yeast - beef hearts
> ground - liver ground - made into patties - froze it and kept three
days in the fridge at a
> time - (we call it the meat drop) he arthritis is gone - her nose
is wet - her skin has
> blackened where it had "faded" and her eye is totally healed. she
lost about 7 (un-needed)
> pounds and looks like a puppy - so i am sure i'm on the right path -
even at this late stage
> in the game.
*****
This is exceptionally good fortune. While her current menu is not
optimal in several areas, it does provide clear evidence that kibble
sucks. Imagine what you will be doing for her when you stop feeding
her plant matter and ground meats and start feeding her a good
species appropriate diet! Zounds!
She doesn't need ground anything. She doesn't need patties. She
needs edible bone for nutrients (including but not limited to
calcium), for dental hygiene, for physical and mental amusement. And
you don't need the extra work. Better to spend "prep" time looking
for lovely meaty body parts that will never see the inside of a
grinder.
my vet said that raw chicken can kill a dog via salmonella
> (sp) and under no circumstances should i feed the dog raw chicken -
and she basically
> looked at me like i was killing my dog by feeding it raw -
like "you'll see" - i didn't stop
> the diet but stopped chicken.
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This is one of an undereducated vet's primary threats. Baloney.
Feed chicken knowing FULL well that a dog's digestive system is
different from a human's, and that any animal that licks its butt and
genitals and eats dead things and cat poop and worms is not bothered
by raw chicken. Know also that kibble is similarly burdened with
bacteria not to mention other germy "contaminants". Fear of germs
runs deep in the medical profession.
You may be doing your girl some injustice by feeding ground meat and
veggie patties but you are a LONG way from killing her. If you're
interested, we have any number of references you can give to your
misguided vet. At the very least you should definitely check out:
http://rawfed.com
http://rawfeddogs.net
- no i'm reading that grinding the meat is not good and she
> should have pieces etc.. with bone..
> what exactly should i ask my butcher for?
*****
These questions have been asked and answered thousands of times, no
fooling. Please take some time to browse the message archives. If
you do not have access Yahoogroups, please join (it's easy) and go
the Rawfeeding home page and proceed to poke around in the hoard of
information the archives provide.
--what to tell the butcher you want (don't ask, tell)
--what are organs and what are not and how to feed either
--what are "wreck" bones and how not to fall victim to them
--why vegetables are neither useful nor recommended
--why feeding larger meals once a day (or less) may benefit your dog
Chris O
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4d. Re: 11 year old bulldog
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:00 am ((PST))
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "monicanation7"
<monicanation@...> wrote:
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> i
> started with ground beef adding carrots - parsley - flax seed -
brewers yeast - beef hearts
> ground - liver ground - made into patties - froze it and kept
three days in the fridge at a
> time - (we call it the meat drop)
> two questions- my vet said that raw chicken can kill a dog
> via salmonella
> (sp) and under no circumstances should i feed the dog raw
> chicken
Your vet needs to study the physiology of a dog. Something she
should have spend a great deal of time doing in vet school. Dogs
stomach acids are very very strong. Strong enough to kill and
salmonella or e-coli or other such bacteria. The intestines are
short enough that food is expelled from be body before any more can
form. Salmonella just isn't a problem for dogs.
I have fed my dogs raw chicken every day for over 5 years. I can't
remember any digestive upset in the last 3 or 4 of those years.
> i didn't stop
> the diet but stopped chicken.
Feed chicken. Its good for your dog. The bones will do wonders for
his teeth. Don't grind it. Feed whole chicken parts.
> what exactly should i ask my butcher for?
You can feed whole chickens, half chickens, chicken quarters or
individual chicken parts depending on the size of your dog. You can
feed any part of the chicken, turkey, pig, cow, rabbit, goat, lamb
that you want except maybe the intestines and stomach.
> shoud i cut a piece of liver and or heart and just
> throw it into the bowl?
Yes
> how much?
Just a little to begin with. Add more over time when you are sure
it doesn't cause digestive upset. You don't really need to feed
much. I feed just a glob once a week or so. Maybe 1/2lb each to my
Great Danes.
> plus lots of marrow bones
I wouldn't feed marrow bones. Too hard on teeth. I don't feed any
beef bones at all.
> what about parsley - carrots etc.. is
> this a waste to give her?
Yes, absolutely. Dogs are carnivores. They don't need nor can they
properly digest veggies and friuts and grains.
> i'm a believer in the diet - you'd be foolish to feed your
> dog anything else!
Exactly!
Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm
Feeding Raw since October 2002
"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale
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5a. Re: possible allergies??
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2007 7:12 am ((PST))
I missed the original thread, so I'm sorry if I'm asking repeat
questions. Does Cicero eat anything besides the chicken and beef, like
treats or something? After only two weeks you might be a little
impatient, it takes some time for the immune system to right itself.
Andrea
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Mundi Smithers <amenfarm@...> wrote:
> Cicero has been on raw chicken and some beef for approximately 2
> weeks ( by the way he has been fed many different raw ground meats
> on his kibble since 8 weeks). I don't see any improvement in his
> ears....... yet. Am I being impatient?
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5b. Re: possible allergies??
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2007 7:52 am ((PST))
Mundi Smithers <amenfarm@...> wrote:
Cicero has been on
> raw chicken and some beef for approximately 2 weeks ( by the way he
has
> been fed many different raw ground meats on his kibble since 8 weeks).
> I don't see any improvement in his ears....... yet. Am I being
> impatient?
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Of course. Two weeks is bupkis. Assuming he's not responding poorly
to anything else in his life (pretty big assumption), his system will
still need time to flush out the crap.
I doubt he is allergic to chicken; he may however be sensitive to any
enhancements the chicken may have gotten. And of course feedlot beef
brings its own bag o' potential miseries to a raw diet. If after
another couple of weeks you see no improvement anywhere, you may want
to experiment with foods that are NOT raised on corn and/or soy. For
trial purposes, consider feeding meats that are either grassfed or not
heavily grainfed.
The bigger problem though is what else is screwing with his system?
Vaccines? Medicines? Environmental chemicals--yard and household,
topical and injested? These are not likely to be fully addressed by
diet change. For guidance on these significant other issues, you'll
want to go to RawChat since they would not necessarily be diet/menu
solutions.
Chris O
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5c. Re: possible allergies??
Posted by: "Mundi Smithers" amenfarm@wildblue.net duchessduwindsor
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:22 am ((PST))
Andrea,
His diet is strictly raw with the exception of freeze dried liver for
treats and training.
Mundi
I missed the original thread, so I'm sorry if I'm asking repeat
questions. Does Cicero eat anything besides the chicken and beef, like
treats or something? After only two weeks you might be a little
impatient, it takes some time for the immune system to right itself.
Andrea
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6a. Re: They won't eat chicken
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2007 7:15 am ((PST))
Be firm with them and don't make a fuss over the food. Give them
chicken and walk away. If they don't start eating it in 15-20 minutes
pick it up without making a fuss and put it away. Serve the same meal
next feeding time, no treats in between. Don't try to coax them to eat
or put bribe foods on or in the chicken. They used to eat chicken just
fine, right? So they know it is food, but they think they can train
you to give them something better.
Andrea
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "mrsmenk" <mrsmenk@...> wrote:
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> I have been reading your messages for the past few weeks as I
> transitioned my dogs (8 yr old lab/dane mix and 5 yr old dane) to
> raw. They are now both eating raw but are turning away chicken.
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7.1. Re: Chicken Backs
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2007 7:28 am ((PST))
> i picked up a small chicken whole and noticed that the legs ( i
> think it was legs?) are pretty small and hard...i'm wondering if
> it's possible for them to crack their teeth on this? I know a lot
> of people said chicken bones are pretty soft but i'm not sure if
> that includes all the bones of the chicken?
No, chicken bones won't damage a dog or cat's teeth unless there is
something already wrong with the teeth. Though the dog might not
have the jaw strength to crush the bones, the teeth are strong enough
to break the bone. Beef bones are pretty dense and many dogs do
not/can not eat them. The weight bearing bones (leg bones) are
extremely dense, those are the ones that can damage teeth.
> are there any parts i shoudl keep clear of? snowy is 20lbs and he
> can barely fit a tennis ball in his mouth....
Other than weight bearing bones of large animals, I would only stay
away from itty bitty things that can be swallowed whole. Chicken
drummettes, lone wings, etc.
Andrea
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7.2. Re: Chicken Backs
Posted by: "Alexandra de Guzman" degoonacoon@earthlink.net degoonacoon
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2007 10:55 am ((PST))
Hi- I buy backs very inexpensively. And they love them!! Alex
On 11/15/07 12:54 AM, "Giselle" <megan.giselle@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi, Pat!
> I don't buy backs.
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> Why buy bony parts that you need to add meat to?
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8a. Re: 2 months into raw
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2007 7:47 am ((PST))
> I have been doing mainly liver.......what else can I feed them?
Kidney is the other organ I find most easily. If you go to less
mainstream markets you will likely be able to find sweetbreads. I
bought some buffalo fries from our buying group. Brains, lungs,
pancreas, eyeballs, all of these are organs.
> Does anyone have any ideas for me as far as what I can do to mix it
> up a little.
Have you found out if you have a buying group nearby? I found I
could afford a lot more variety once I started buying through them.
Also search out the ethnic markets in your area. If you see
something that looks interesting, buy it. Once you start hunting for
new foods it gets kind of addicting, so consider yourself warned.
> An example of a daily meal for your pets would be great (including
> muscle meat, bone, organ ratio/weight).
Well, my boys are about 60lbs and they don't necessarily get meat,
bone and organ all in one day. Yesterday they had a duck with
whatever organs come in a duck. Today the pupster will get a leg of
goat, the older one won't eat today. Tomorrow they will probably
have some beef heart and a medium sized fish (baby bonito). I
basically buy a whole bunch of things and then randomly pull stuff
out for them to eat without any real plan.
Andrea
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9a. constipated puppy
Posted by: "droghedabullmastiff@comcast.net" droghedabullmastiff@comcast.net droghedabullmastiff
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:05 am ((PST))
I am worried that the pup might have a blockage from swollowing something he shouldn't have. Has any one checked if there are sounds from his gut the entire length? Is he keeping food and water down with no problems? Sorry to bring up an unpleasant topic but puppies like babies put all kinds of things in their mouths. Years ago a pup I was boarding got my daughter's ponytail scrunchie and swollowed it whole. It was too big to pass all the way thru and he had surgery[ Cost $85.00 which I made Sabrina repay from her allowance because she had been warned many times to not leave anything like that where a pup could get it] Rose
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10a. arthritis
Posted by: "kkellogg22004" kkellogg22004@yahoo.com kkellogg22004
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:01 am ((PST))
I don't remember reading anything about this specific topic here....
I've been feeding my two 9-year-old dogs prey-model raw for about a
month and a half. I understand that vitamins and other supplements
are not needed when feeding this way, since dogs are getting complete
nutrition.
One of my dogs (rescue) has arthritis and an old neck injury; I had
been giving her Synovi G3 daily. Should I continue with this, use
something else, or stop all supplementation? I take Move-Free by
Shiff myself, so I'm well aware of how helpful glucosamine and
chondroitin can be, especially for old knees!
Thanks,
Kate
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10b. Re: arthritis
Posted by: "rosey031801" rosey031801@sbcglobal.net rosey031801
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:42 am ((PST))
MODERATOR'S NOTE: TRIM YOUR MESSAGES!
I have a old dog that was hit by a car years ago and has lots of pain
issues to due scaring and arthritis. I find that if feed more bone he
does fine. If he gets boneless for more than two days in a row he has
problems. I have discontinued his meds and just give it to him when
he needs them, which may be once every 3 months. The bone and
cartlige does the trick!!!
Cheryl
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "kkellogg22004"
<kkellogg22004@...> wrote:
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> I don't remember reading anything about this specific topic here....
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> I've been feeding my two 9-year-old dogs prey-model raw for about a
> month and a half. I understand that vitamins and other supplements
> are not needed when feeding this way, since dogs are getting
complete
> nutrition.
>
> One of my dogs (rescue) has arthritis and an old neck injury; I had
> been giving her Synovi G3 daily. Should I continue with this, use
> something else, or stop all supplementation? I take Move-Free by
> Shiff myself, so I'm well aware of how helpful glucosamine and
> chondroitin can be, especially for old knees!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kate
>
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11a. Re: 15 wk old puppy
Posted by: "Sonja" ladyver@sbcglobal.net lonepalm77
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:43 am ((PST))
I'm still a newbie, I've been feeding my 3 yr old lab raw for 10 months and I've been feeding raw to my 5 month old lab puppy for just over a month. So please don't take this as fact, I'm just throwing it out there to see if it could be a possibility. One of my mentors who gave me the courage to raw feed a growing puppy has sucessfully raw fed her labs for 5 or so generations, and her dogs are doing great in the in the show ring with no orthopedic problems or other health problems. She told me that she keeps her pups on a higher percentage of bone because wolf pups usually get the scraps of a kill. When she did attempt to feed more meat and lower the bone percentage, she found the whole litter had weak pasterns, but fully admits she doesn't know if it was coincidence or not. It was enough for her to continue feeding the higher percentage of bone, and she hasn't had a problem since.
This is only one case, so I wouldn't make any decisions based on it....but to you veterens out there, could there be any validity to this?
Sonja
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11b. Re: 15 wk old puppy
Posted by: "Felicia Kost" saphiradane@yahoo.com saphiradane
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2007 10:55 am ((PST))
Hi, I am not a veteren but I do know a few. A friend of mine breeds NR great danes for several generations. She feeds more bone than this list recommends and has had no ortho. or other health problems ( one bitch did get cancer at an old age). I feed 2 dogs; a dane and a heeler. I have found that the dane craves more bone and does better with a little extra. The heeler does better with less bone. I assume that a benefit of raw is that u can feed to an individual dogs needs ( although they are all similar). My dane has days where she will pick out the bones and leave the meat. Works great for the heeler LOL! I try to adjust according to the dogs stool. I am also curious as to what other respones will be. Thanks Felicia
. When she did attempt to feed more meat and lower the bone percentage, she found the whole litter had weak pasterns, but fully admits she doesn't know if it was coincidence or not.This is only one case, so I wouldn't make any decisions based on it....but to you veterens out there, could there be any validity to this?
Sonja
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11c. Re: 15 wk old puppy
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:12 am ((PST))
Hi Janice,
Certainly a puppy shouldn't be over-exercised, but without knowing more
details, it's pretty hard to determine what's happening with this pup.
What exactly are you feeding? A prey model diet is the best you can do for
a growing puppy. It generally isn't meat that causes problems, but rather
carbohydrates (which I assume she is getting in cooked food?), too much
food, too many supplements, etc.
Give us some more details!
Sandee & the Dane Gang
From: "Janice Aquino" <janiceaquino@comcast.net>
I have puppy who looks like she has soft pastern/metacarpus area.
She's 14 weeks old and the other littermates are better in this area.
Could the reason be diet or exercise? She gets raw and cooked meals.
I am having her levels taken to check on how she is processing her food
also her urine is sticky and she drinks a good deal of water, we will
checking her for diabetes.
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12a. Cutting up whole turkeys
Posted by: "jenvandecar" jenvandecar@hotmail.com jenvandecar
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:11 am ((PST))
Hi. I was just looking through all the sales on Turkeys that are going
on right now. I was wondering how difficult it is to cut up a turkey
into at least quarters. Are the bones easy to get through? Do I need
any special tools? I don't feel comfortable handing out a whole 20lb
bird. Any help / advice you have would be great. Thanks.
Jennifer
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12b. Re: Cutting up whole turkeys
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:23 am ((PST))
Hi, Jennifer!
Heavy duty kitchen shears will do the job.
For the most part, you won't be cutting through bone, you'll be cutting at
the joint where there are tendons and soft cartilage. It doesn't have to be
a pretty job, either, just cut where its easiest.
Links to some helpful info on cutting up poultry;
two part video;
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TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey
On Nov 15, 2007 2:09 PM, jenvandecar <jenvandecar@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi. I was just looking through all the sales on Turkeys that are going
> on right now. I was wondering how difficult it is to cut up a turkey
> into at least quarters. Are the bones easy to get through? Do I need
> any special tools? I don't feel comfortable handing out a whole 20lb
> bird. Any help / advice you have would be great. Thanks.
>
> Jennifer
>
>
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13. good price or not?
Posted by: "hunterblu123" ksap@fuse.net hunterblu123
Date: Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:03 pm ((PST))
I'm getting everything lined up to get started feeding raw. There is a
local turkey plant down the road from me were I can get turkey necks
from they are $.60 a pound and comes in a 30# box is this a good deal?
And if this is my main source of bone how much would they need to eat
let say for my 90# male?
Alicia
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