[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12293

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Feeding Salmon?
From: Andrea
1b. Re: Feeding Salmon?
From: costrowski75
1c. Re: Feeding Salmon?
From: Erika

2a. Re: excessive shedding
From: maxieii
2b. Re: excessive shedding
From: Yasuko herron
2c. Re: excessive shedding
From: costrowski75
2d. Re: excessive shedding
From: shefy gupta

3a. Re: Tips on finicky eater?
From: Andrea
3b. Re: Tips on finicky eater?
From: debiand5dogues
3c. Re: Tips on finicky eater?
From: Yasuko herron

4a. Re: deer head
From: costrowski75

5a. Re: BEEF BONE confusion
From: Andrea

6a. Re: some meat ?s:
From: Andrea

7a. Early Riser and Fish Question
From: the swamp witch
7b. Re: Early Riser and Fish Question
From: costrowski75

8a. Suggestion for next protein, small dog
From: mmc2315
8b. Re: Suggestion for next protein, small dog
From: Andrea
8c. Re: Suggestion for next protein, small dog
From: Yasuko herron

9.1. New to RAW
From: Lisa
9.2. Re: New to RAW
From: costrowski75

10a. Chew treats?
From: geraldinebutterfield
10b. Re: Chew treats?
From: Andrea
10c. Re: Chew treats?
From: costrowski75

11. Re;chew treat
From: Yasuko herron

12. Raw and Eclampsia
From: Renate

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1a. Re: Feeding Salmon?
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 6:46 am ((PST))

For wild caught fish it is recommended that you freeze it solid for a
couple of weeks, so after two years I'm sure that any parasite that
might have been in the fish is good and gone.

If I had the choice between salmon and tilapia for the same price I'd
go with salmon every time. And so would my dogs, actually. Feed away!

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "redangelbordeaux" <Erika@...> wrote:
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> I have found a place where I can purchase salmon filets with the
> bone in for $1 a pound. There are 100lbs available that have been
> in a freezer at below 0 for 2 years! Now the meat guy just wants to
> get it out of his freezer, lol.

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1b. Re: Feeding Salmon?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 7:12 am ((PST))

"redangelbordeaux" <Erika@...> wrote:
> There are 100lbs available that have been in a
> freezer at below 0 for 2 years! Now the meat guy just wants to get it
> out of his freezer, lol. Since I am feeding 6 mastiffs feeding fish
> other that Talapia is usually very pricey and my dogs usually get
> salmon oil instead of fish.
>
> I have read that feeding wild caught pacific salmon is dangerous for
> dogs due to a fluke parasite that they carry.
*****
The parasite is killed by freezing; freezing for two years at below
zero truly is freezing enough. Buy them fishies and enjoy your good
fortune.

Unless you are positively dying for more protein variety, I'd say
pasadena on the Tilapia and plunk your bucks down on more salmon.
Chris O

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1c. Re: Feeding Salmon?
Posted by: "Erika" Erika@redangelbordeaux.com redangelbordeaux
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:36 am ((PST))

Thannks,

I had a feeling it would be ok just wanted to be sure!

Erika

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2a. Re: excessive shedding
Posted by: "maxieii" maxieii@yahoo.com maxieii
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 6:50 am ((PST))

Giselle,

> > **** Good idea! Are you planning to introduce Salmon or Fish Body
oil?

I give her 1 1200mg fish oil with omega3/omega6 by natures bounty a
day, besides the fish oil it only has gelatin and glycerin.

Thanks again for your help!

Happy Thanksgiving from Roberta and Maxie!

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2b. Re: excessive shedding
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 6:59 am ((PST))

>I give her 1 1200mg fish oil with omega3/omega6 by natures bounty a day, besides the fish oil it only has gelatin and glycerin.

Hi. Gelatin andGlycerrin are ok ingredients to make capsule for Fish body oil,but is it possible for you to find one without Omega6 in it?

Reason why is that,diet without fish body oil has tonz of omega6 already,and what you like to bump up the level is just omega3 not both.

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2c. Re: excessive shedding
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 7:34 am ((PST))

"maxieii" <maxieii@...> wrote:
> I give her 1 1200mg fish oil with omega3/omega6 by natures bounty a
> day, besides the fish oil it only has gelatin and glycerin.
*****
Nature's Bounty thanks you for providing them a little more profit.
Nature's Bounty would have you believe that you--and your dog--are
not getting enough Omega 6 fatty acid. They would be wrong of
course, since unless you are eating/feeding a diet that's virtually
free of feedlot livestock and factory chicken you are getting not
only plenty of Omega 6 you are getting too much of it.

But Nature's Bounty, because it is a for-profit corporation with
stockholders to answer to, doesn't care if you are already getting O6
from the food you eat; no, Nature's Bounty insists you need more.
The more plant-based oil (cheap to produce) in the product, the less
animal-based oil (expensive to produce).

I recommend you do not fall for this booschwa. You need more O3,
your dog needs more O3. Buy a product that offers Omega 3 from
marine fish and nothing more (nada, zip, zero, zilch).

Omega 3 and nothing but Omega 3, so help me dog.
Chris O

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2d. Re: excessive shedding
Posted by: "shefy gupta" shefy7@yahoo.com shefy7
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:33 am ((PST))

snowy has been shedding quite a bit lately too...actually for awhile. i give him tilapia about once or twice a week. and that makes his coat soft and shiny and healthy. but he still sheds like mad.

i have a salmon oil that i put onto his treats sometimes and he likes it...but wouldn't it be better to get all the omega's from real food like fish?

which fish are good to feed for these nutrients/minerals?

thanks in advance!
shefy and snowy

costrowski75 <Chriso75@AOL.COM> wrote:
"maxieii" wrote:
> I give her 1 1200mg fish oil with omega3/omega6 by natures bounty a
> day, besides the fish oil it only has gelatin and glycerin.
*****
Nature's Bounty thanks you for providing them a little more profit.
Nature's Bounty would have you believe that you--and your dog--are
not getting enough Omega 6 fatty acid. They would be wrong of
course, since unless you are eating/feeding a diet that's virtually
free of feedlot livestock and factory chicken you are getting not
only plenty of Omega 6 you are getting too much of it.

But Nature's Bounty, because it is a for-profit corporation with
stockholders to answer to, doesn't care if you are already getting O6
from the food you eat; no, Nature's Bounty insists you need more.
The more plant-based oil (cheap to produce) in the product, the less
animal-based oil (expensive to produce).

I recommend you do not fall for this booschwa. You need more O3,
your dog needs more O3. Buy a product that offers Omega 3 from
marine fish and nothing more (nada, zip, zero, zilch).

Omega 3 and nothing but Omega 3, so help me dog.
Chris O

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3a. Re: Tips on finicky eater?
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 7:01 am ((PST))

Since you have been feeding turkey necks I would go with something
mroe meaty. It will help with Sirius' gums and it might be more
appealing to Natalie.

> We can cut off tiny pieces of meat (as long as she doesn't see
> where it came from) and she will eventually take them if you act
> like it's a big game- which is tiring, as you can imagine.

Unfortunately Natalie thinks she's calling the shots when it comes to
food. You're going to need to use some tough love or you'll be in
for a constant struggle down the line.

> You leave the food and try to act like it's no big deal, she lays
> down and sighs like we are all stupid and she still won't go near
> it.

If that's what she wants to do, that's fine. Give her fifteen
minutes and if she hasn't started eating just take the food away.
Don't coax her, talk to her, anything. Just stay within eyesight
and "ignore" her. Next day she gets the same food and fifteen
minutes to start eating.

> Nat is uncharachteristically letting Pagan snatch all the food and
> build a pile.

With some dogs, having competition for food will help get them to
eat, but it doesn't appear to be the case with Natalie. I'd go back
to feeding her in a room by herself for now.

> I thought about just not feeding her until she got hungry. She does
> it to herself, after all. Her energy level drops when she doesn't
> eat, though, and I worry that she will be a lot more stubborn than
> me.

Stubborn or not, a healthy dog will not starve itself in the presence
of food. Some people here have endured a four day battle before the
dog finally breaks down and eats what they are given.

> but after several days of nothing more than tidbits we cajoled her
> into, I know there must be something to make her act normal. Please
> say there is.

Yes, don't cajole her. If she doesn't eat her food don't make a
fuss. Just calmly pick it up and put it away. If she doesn't get
any attention for not eating her food it will quickly become boring
for her.

> And while I am writing, any tips on feeding raw to cats- sites you
> trust, etc. ?

We have a sister list called raw cat, since we mostly talk about dogs
here. Lots of people over there have lots of tips for switching cats
since they are often a PITA to switch over. Just so you know, you
should never try to use the tough love approach with cats. They have
to eat some food every day, even if that "food" is in the form of
doom nuggets.

Let us know how things go with Natalie, and good luck.

Andrea

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3b. Re: Tips on finicky eater?
Posted by: "debiand5dogues" dholloway26@yahoo.com debiand5dogues
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:36 am ((PST))

Hi Cheryl,
I just posted about a picky eater then just read your post. I am not
much of a cook and in hopes of not sounding too ignorant what is
searing? When you seared it, did you apply the seasonings at that
time?

He is good about placing it where he wants it, I give it to him in
his bowl outside, he immediately takes it out and looks at it, licks
it and is very protective. The cats smell it and he is very
watchfull and growls when they get too close, however eating it is a
different story.

thanks for your words!! Looking forward to learing about searing!
hahaha

debi
>
> My ten year old special needs dog did not want the raw meat at
first
> either. I got great tips from the senoir feeding group. Things like
> searing the boneless to imitate the cooked flavor and trying
seasonings
> like cheese and garlic. I was willing to do whatever it took to get
> over the hump and it worked. The coaxing only lasted a couple of
> months, then he started acting like a normal wild dog and takes it
out
> in the yard, protects it, and then eats it. Cutting up boneless
meats
> and trying things to enhance the flavor will help with the switch.
I
> think there is an addiction they have to get over at first. It is
like
> trying to get a five year old child to eat plain brwon rice
compared to
> Mc Something cheeseburgers and fries. I can be hard but it is well
> worth it in the end!
> Cheryl
>

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3c. Re: Tips on finicky eater?
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:02 am ((PST))

>what is searing? ?

Searing is ,If place skillet on high and,you see the smoke coming out a little for high heat and you place meat on skillet and quickly brown the outside the meat by rotating.

Basically,trapping the flavor inside the meat with high heat cooking and browning outside.
20secs is more than enough I think.

For finiky eater,this quick searing or mixing meat with tripe or egg,flavoring meat,ribborning the meat are some tricks you can read on this list.

My dog hates pork liver but if it were mixed with egg,she gubbles down,no prob.

Some dog eats things if it were frozen. It all depend on dogs.

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4a. Re: deer head
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 7:20 am ((PST))

"Diane" <dheinicke@...> wrote:
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> Yesterday a hunter friend shot a small doe, had it butchered and
saved
> the head and neck. Any reason I shouldn't hand it to my dog.
*****
No reason a-tall. Untrimmed necks are one my favorite body parts to
feed. And heads are good clean(?) fun.

He gets mostly whole chickens (a half at
> a time), some beef heart and kindey, a whole fish once a week or
so,
> some pork every couple of weeks and an occasional egg.
*****
Yes, after six months I think you are definitely ready to lighten up
on the chicken. I recommend you do some menu restructuring: More red
meat, less chicken. You can rely on chicken for the bones if no
other critters provide edible bone for your dog, but whenever and
however possible add red meat to the menu. Pork every couple of
weeks isn't enough.

The venison is an excellent addition.
Chris O

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5a. Re: BEEF BONE confusion
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 7:27 am ((PST))

I don't feed my dogs any bone that has unnaturally cut edges like t-
bones, the bones from pork chops, country style ribs, etc. Slabs of
ribs are good exercise food, but single ribs are too easy to try and
swallow whole IMO.

It is likely your girl threw up the boney bits because she didn't have
any meat to go down with the bone. Many dogs have boney bile vomit
when they have a meal that is too boney.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Lynette" <lraefried@...> wrote:
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> I have read conflicting messages about beef bones. Is it good or not
> good to let your dog eat things like T-bones, rib bone, etc.?

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6a. Re: some meat ?s:
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 7:45 am ((PST))

> 1) Is the beef blood/juice that drains copiously from the thawed
> heart worth saving if I have cramped freezer space?

The fluid that comes out of the thawing heart is more like a protein
juice than actual blood if I remember correctly. When I get cases of
beef heart I usually pour the extra juice into a bowl and let the
dogs drink as much of it as they want at the time. If there is a lot
of it left over I might throw it in the freezer or fridge, but more
often than not I just toss it.

> 2) Would bison tails be considered bone or is it more like
> cartilage? and turkey tails?

I'm not sure. I treat tails more like a treat than a meal. If you
were going to feed it as a meal I would definitely add some meat.
Turkey tails in my experience are a lot of fat and bone with some
meat on it.

> 3) Should the bison be frozen a few weeks for parasites if it came
> from a local coop?

If it is bison from a farmer (and I expect it is) there is no need to
freeze it.

Glad things are going well for you and Gemma, and I'm super glad you
are settling into how easy a raw diet really is.

Andrea

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7a. Early Riser and Fish Question
Posted by: "the swamp witch" theswampwitch@gmail.com mafiaswampwitch
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 7:54 am ((PST))

I have a 7 yo beagle who has been getting up progressively earlier each day
for the past week or so. This morning it was around 4 or 4:30 AM that he got
up, whining to be fed. We have tried not feeding him, but he whines and paws
at the door so much that he wakes my 1 yo human child. Blah! How can we
train him that this behavior is unacceptable without me having to have a
staring contest with him at 4 in the morning?

Upon someone's suggestion, we increased the ratio of their food from 2% of
body weight to 3% for the past two days and have seen no difference. The
thought was that perhaps he really is just hungry...but I'm beginning to
think he is just obstinate and eager to eat. He has always been a big eater,
typical beagle. But at least on raw he is beginning to lose some weight. No
matter what we did on kibble we could never get his weight to budge.

Now about fish...I thought I had read somewhere not to feed fish, but a lot
of folks on this list seem to feed whole fish at least once a week. Can you
give me some info on that, or direct me to a place with more info on feeding
fish to my two beagles (8 yo, too).

Thanks!
Jennifer

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7b. Re: Early Riser and Fish Question
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:31 am ((PST))

"the swamp witch" <theswampwitch@...> wrote:
How can we
> train him that this behavior is unacceptable without me having to
have a
> staring contest with him at 4 in the morning?
*****
Pushy little bugger.
What I would do is treat this like potty training. When I am potty
raining a pupster, every urgent fuss is treated like a need to use
the facilities. Whining and fussing do not buy playtime or food or
anything but bathroom.

Stop feeding the clown on his timetable. Change up his mealtimes so
he doesn't know WHEN to start carrying on. When he fusses for food,
treat it like a bathroom alert and without any fuss give him the
chance to pee. He'll probably look at you as if to say "have you
lost your mind woman; it's food I want!" but tough toenails. I think
once he realizes whining will only win him a trip to the outhouse,
he'll quit bugging you. This means you'll have to get up and
participate for a few days, but you'll all survive.

>> Now about fish...I thought I had read somewhere not to feed fish,
but a lot
> of folks on this list seem to feed whole fish at least once a week.
*****
I don't feed fish once a week, not even once a month usually but
that's only because I can't afford the fish I'd prefer to feed and
don't want to buy the fish I can afford--and my dogs are not keen on
either option. Not because there's a interdiction on fish.

I suspect you are confusing the concerns about pacific northwest
salmon with the general fish population. It's okay to feed fish.
Fish can add protein variety to a menu that needs some. It's easily
digestible and species appropriate in a broad sort of way.

The issues surrounding fish are simple: potential parasites and
potential toxins. Parasites can be killed by freezing, so if you are
feeding wild caught fish from unknown waters, you might want to
freeze first, for a week or two. Farmed fish are not likely to
harbor parasites. Store bought fish are often frozen for transport,
so additional freezing would not be required.

Toxins are more likely to be a problem in mature examples of large-
breed ocean fish: More body to accumulate toxins and a longer time to
have done so. And fresh water fish may have toxic accumulations from
industrial and agricultural runoff. Check with local Fish&Wildlife
guys if you're considering catching your own.

Here are two sites helpful in evaluating the "worthiness" of various
fish:
http://www.oceansalive.org/eat.cfm?subnav=bestandworst
http://www.mbayaq.org/cr/seafoodwatch.asp

And these can help you choose high Omega 3 fish if you wish to pursue
that angle:
http://www.thepaleodiet.com/nutritional_tools/omega3.shtml
http://www.annecollins.com/dietary-fat/fish-oils-fatty-acids.htm

Hope this helps.
Chris O

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8a. Suggestion for next protein, small dog
Posted by: "mmc2315" m.chelap@sbcglobal.net mmc2315
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 7:55 am ((PST))

Hi everyone! We started with chicken quarters at the beginning of the month and things are
going very well. Our little 10# Cairn terrier mix from the shelter is looking healthy and
happy! Thanks for all the support.

Tomorrow, we are going to venture down to the butcher's again and since it's been a little
over 2 weeks on chicken, we are going to try another protein source.

Can someone suggest some cuts of red meat as a next step for a small dog?

I am woefully ignorant of meat cuts, I've realized. ;)

Michelle

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8b. Re: Suggestion for next protein, small dog
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:27 am ((PST))

I would suggest a pork shoulder. For a little dog you'll proably want
to cut off chunks of meat from the big thing so it won't go bad while
your little one works through it. You'll proabably want to keep
feeding chicken bones during the pork since you'll have a few meals of
meaty meat.

Pork ribs are also a good choice, though sometimes not so meaty and
often more expensive than I like to feed. I've never been able to find
raw pork hocks, but those would work as well. Pork shouler goes by
many names, so I generally just look for a big hunk of meat that may or
may not have a bone in it.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "mmc2315" <m.chelap@...> wrote:

> Can someone suggest some cuts of red meat as a next step for a small
> dog?

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8c. Re: Suggestion for next protein, small dog
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:31 am ((PST))

>Can someone suggest some cuts of red meat as a next step for a small dog?

Hi. I am gladto hear yourdog doing great on chicken. Any kinds of animals you choose to feed is fine.

When you feed meat to dog,I understand that we tend to think by CUTS but,it is much easier if you think big picture.

For example, any poultry I buy is cut to quarters and,fed to my dog.I do not think about wing,leg quarter,breast etc etc;cut,anymore,but I buy whole bird and feed.

Then for 4 legged animal,I usually get tongue,heart,any boneless meat for meaty meat and for bone,I get rib and neck mostly.

When you feed neck and rib,if the meat was not too much on it,you need to add more meat to that meal.Don't think by cut.

Any animals are ok,and if you concern price too,then,now is good chance to buy Turkey and you can feed Turkey with cheaper price than usual andthen,you can feed other red meat protins.Usually,pork picnic isquite reasonable on sale price.I got picnic with 1.60 dollars/lb.

But for rib,I stock up in summer because I feel summer ischeaper than any months for ribs.

My dog went to beef next to chicken but in between,I introduced chicken organ.
So,it is like feed chicken only meal a while,andthen.,add bit of liver of chicken,andmeal became chicken plus chicken liver a while,andthen,her meal became chicken liver and
beef.

yassy

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9.1. New to RAW
Posted by: "Lisa" lkblair@yahoo.com lkblair
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:36 am ((PST))

I have an 11yo sheltie (approx 30lbs) and an almost 3yo greyhound
(60lbs) that will be moving to RAW the week after Thanksgiving. The
reason for the wait is that my hubby will be heading out of town, and
I'd rather the initial transition period, in case of upset tummies,
etc, be while he is gone. He doesn't like anything to upset the balance.

Anyway, I have been planning to start the pups with chicken, but my
karate instructor told me that he has quite a bit of venison from 2yrs
ago in his freezer that he was going to toss but is happy to give to
me. Should I just find a way to store it (no extra freezer right now)
and stick with chicken as our first protein, or is venison ok for our
first foray into RAW?

Thanks very much.

Lisa in TX

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9.2. Re: New to RAW
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:56 am ((PST))

"Lisa" <lkblair@...> wrote:
>> I'd rather the initial transition period, in case of upset tummies,
> etc, be while he is gone. He doesn't like anything to upset the
balance.
*****
The easiest transition is none; I recommend you simply stop feeding
kibble and start feeding raw food. If you proceed prudently you
should be able to minimize digestive upsets. But since raw feeding--
like life--is an on-going adventure, you will probably have other
opportunties to deal with digestive upsets. I doubt you'll be able
to time them for when your husband is away. What you might do is
browse the archives for the zillion ways we've discussed for
efficiently dealing with digestive mishaps.

>Should I just find a way to store it (no extra freezer right now)
> and stick with chicken as our first protein, or is venison ok for
our
> first foray into RAW?
*****
For a raw feeder with some miles under his/her belt, I'd say start
with the venison, full speed ahead. For a newbie, and one who has to
take into consider her husband's issues, venison might be a little
much to handle. But there's no way I could EVER suggest that venison
be passed by!

How about: Buying chicken backs and feeding venison meat with chicken
bones? That way you get all the lovely delights of venison AND you
get plenty of easily eaten/digested bone. No organs, no nothing else
at this point but venison and chicken backs.

Chicken is not magic and there's no nutritional reason to start with
it; it's cheap and available. But you have the chance to get cheap
(free is the best kind of cheap) and available (handed to you is the
best kind of available) vension that is also totally species
appropriate.

Obviously, I think venison is a wonderful jumping off point; if
others think I am being too cavalier, I assure you they'll waste no
time in telling me/you so.

Or you can just send me the venison and oh, I'll take GOOD care of it.
Chris O

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10a. Chew treats?
Posted by: "geraldinebutterfield" gbutterflied@comcast.net geraldinebutterfield
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:04 am ((PST))

Before I knew better I gave my 10 lb maltipoo rawhide chew bones. She
likes them but I've taken them away. I've read some folks give 'bully
sticks'... I can't bring myself to that one yet. Are pig ears safe?
What do others give for chew toys -- She gets bones with her meals but
I don't want her draging bones around the house.

Thanks-
Geraldine

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10b. Re: Chew treats?
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:15 am ((PST))

Raw pig ears are good chewing fun, but I wouldn't feed the smoked ones
from the pet store. Pig and cow feet are good chew toys as well. I
also have gotten raw cow hooves which the pups seemed to like as well.

Andrea

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<gbutterflied@...> wrote:
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> Before I knew better I gave my 10 lb maltipoo rawhide chew bones. She
> likes them but I've taken them away. I've read some folks give 'bully
> sticks'... I can't bring myself to that one yet. Are pig ears safe?

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10c. Re: Chew treats?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:50 am ((PST))

"geraldinebutterfield" <gbutterflied@...> wrote:
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> Before I knew better I gave my 10 lb maltipoo rawhide chew bones. She
> likes them but I've taken them away. I've read some folks give 'bully
> sticks'... I can't bring myself to that one yet.
*****
Financially or because you can't bring yourself to deal with a dried
bull penis? Financially they can be stunning, yes; however what a
bully stick LOOKS like is a tube of rolled up rawhide. If you didn't
know what you were looking at, you'd never guess. Believe me, even
with the name most people are clueless.

If you can afford a bully stick I really recommend you get over your
squeamishness. There are worse things by far for a dog to chew on.
Chris O

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11. Re;chew treat
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:42 am ((PST))

> Are pig ears safe?

You can give raw pig ear as toy.
You can section off the place you want to feed it and place
mat/shower curtain on floor andlet your dog at it. It is floppy andraw anddog
enjoy it.I do not buy pig ear treatthat you can get at petshop.If I buy somethibng like that,I
rather buy lamb ear. not as fatty and easy on tum and very soft for dog to
eat.
I do not buy something flavor/color added.I have heard that hooves you find at petstore is quite hard and heard one dog got broke teeth from it. so,I recommend to give raw hooves.
Cow hooves from haretoday issquite huge and still hide attached and it is a quite amusement for dog for hours and it is stinky but dog enjoy it.You can feedit outsideor inside on mat by section off the place so that dog is not going todrag the bone on carpet to enjoy.

>What do others give for chew toys -- She gets bones with her meals but

>I don't want her draging bones around the house.

You can give edible bone along with meal and then,you can give either
rec bone or toy by section off the feeding area at one place and let
her have fun with it at one place only.Or,simply give her things
outside.

then,hours later,you can simply pick up and toss if anything is left.

I usually give Deer Antler for long lasting chew
toy/treat,andthen,bully stick and others are lamb ears andtexas toothpicks(ox tail chewby
merricks).And on her BD,I gave moochubes;the treachea treat by
merricks,and my dog did like it.All are made in TX.

yassy

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12. Raw and Eclampsia
Posted by: "Renate" renate.tideswell@gmail.com tideswell_renate
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:02 am ((PST))

Bella who was having a very picky time during her pregnancy is continuing
that way. She eats lots of kidney and heart, a bit of liver and teeny tiny
amounts of chicken or pork (if at all possible, she won't). Anyway, she has
4 puppies, all growing great,and now 9 days old, but last night I had to
make an emergency run to the vet because Bella developed eclampsia. She was
treated and is fine for now, and I have a syringe of calcium to administer
if needed. The vet is pushing to put her onto canned food - she gobbled a
heap last night and now won't go near it (she developed a nasty case of
diarrhea) and refuses the kibble she used to eat. Also, she has lost a
bunch of hair on the flank - I gently picked out a bunch of matts and there
is no hair left.. The vet also wants me to hand-feed the puppies with milk
replacer.

I really need help now deciding what to do. I know there is a calcium
problem, but is this picky diet doing to make it worse? Do I let her
continue to be so picky over food (she is eating virtually no bone) although
she is willing to eat canned tuna and canned salmon so there is a bit of
fish bone. I can't wait her out without harming her health. I've been
feeding her 3 times a day, should I increase the frequency? Do I really
have to remove the pups? They are definitely not keen on milk replacer.
And frankly I'm not too keen on listening to Bella screech outside the
dining room door for hours on end. I've gotten to the point that I feel
like I can't trust anything the vet tells me. (she did an ultra sound on
Bella and told me there were 2 babies, possibly a third, but there were
actually 5 - one very tiny died a day after birth).

Thank you for any advice

--
Renate
'The more I learn about men, the more I love my Shih Tzu'

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