[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12290

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Does anyone have greyhounds that they feed raw?
From: folkdancer1
1b. Does anyone have greyhounds that they feed raw?
From: Kari Carlisle
1c. Re: Does anyone have greyhounds that they feed raw?
From: cris_milam

2a. Big Meat?
From: Debi C
2b. Re: Big Meat?
From: Mallory Kwiatkowski
2c. Re: Big Meat?
From: costrowski75
2d. Re: Big Meat?
From: katkellm

3a. Re: where do I start?
From: dholloway26

4a. Re: puppy sick after first week of raw - what am i doing wrong?
From: ncrnrgrl
4b. Re: puppy sick after first week of raw - what am i doing wrong?
From: kasiarukszto
4c. Re: puppy sick after first week of raw - what am i doing wrong?
From: borodeauxs
4d. Re: puppy sick after first week of raw - what am i doing wrong?
From: kasiarukszto
4e. Re: puppy sick after first week of raw - what am i doing wrong?
From: katkellm
4f. Re: puppy sick after first week of raw - what am i doing wrong?
From: kasiarukszto

5a. Re: excessive shedding
From: maxieii
5b. Re: excessive shedding
From: shefy gupta

6a. Re: turkey for little JRT?
From: Sandrea Kornblum
6b. Re: turkey for little JRT?
From: shefy gupta
6c. Re: turkey for little JRT?
From: katkellm

7a. Deer Meat and Chronic Wasting Disease
From: agrobes4
7b. Re: Deer Meat and Chronic Wasting Disease
From: carnesbill

8a. BEEF BONE confusion
From: Lynette
8b. Re: BEEF BONE confusion
From: katkellm

9a. File - Admin-Trim it, Sign it, and Sig lines-PLEASE READ!!!
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10.1. File - Other related lists
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1a. Re: Does anyone have greyhounds that they feed raw?
Posted by: "folkdancer1" folkdancer1@yahoo.com folkdancer1
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 6:54 am ((PST))

Hi Michelle,

I have two rescued greyhounds that I've been rawfeeding for 1 and 1/2
years. It's the best thing that you can do for your two!!!

One of my greys is a 60lb female. The other is an 82lb male.

How they do love their raw food. And it's so much fun watching them
dig in.

Just type any questions that you may have into the search engine and
you'll have plenty of suggestions.

Enjoy!

Ellen

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Michelle Urbano" <chelleu@...>
wrote:
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> I have two rescued greyhounds that I would like to start feeding
raw.
> Was just wondering if there are any other owners that have gone to
> this diet and how their dogs have done.
> Thanks
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1b. Does anyone have greyhounds that they feed raw?
Posted by: "Kari Carlisle" kari@houndgroup.com karicarlisle
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 12:59 pm ((PST))

When I first got my two greyhounds, Jack and Samantha, last year, I fed them kibble with mix-ins like milk and cheese. They were less than enthusiastic, and I had a hard time getting them to eat it. Since I started them on RMB this May, they leap for joy every time I feed them. They had an adjustment period with some loose stools and bile and bone bits vomit, but they are doing great on it now. Their coats are healthy, they have good energy, and their stools are so easy to pick up (if I bother, since they disintegrate within a couple of days). Go for it!

Kari

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1c. Re: Does anyone have greyhounds that they feed raw?
Posted by: "cris_milam" cmilam@comcast.net cris_milam
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:48 pm ((PST))

Michelle,
Just another grey owner chiming in to say that raw feeding is the best
thing that ever happened to us with Duncan.

Duncan came to us very underweight, very picky about what he would eat,
and with loose stools (the bane of grey owners' existence!). Changed
to raw and he started loving his meals -- eating his meals would have
been change enough! His poop firmed up and he gained weight. The
other side effects that were a pleasant surprise were that his breath
has no odor and he rarely farts. For those of us with greys whose gas
can peel paint off walls, this is life changing. Imagine actually
being able to watch a TV show without the "Ewwww, gross!" comments!

I can't tell you about other dogs, but it seems greys generally move to
raw with little or no trouble. You won't believe how wonderful it is
to feed your grey raw.

Cris and Duncan ("Mom, tell her that kibble is yucky. Real dogs eat
real food!")

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2a. Big Meat?
Posted by: "Debi C" dcole6@satx.rr.com scarlet_debi
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 7:33 am ((PST))

This is probably a dumb question.

I have two small JRTs. (14 lbs apiece) Someone used the term 'big
meat'. Is that a size thing like a chicken vrs turkey. A pig vrs a
cow or is that the size of the serving?

JRTs being small could in the wild only kill things like birds,
rabbits, etc as opposed to cows or most deer. My female was feral
when caught in a humane trap in a chicken coop before being turned
into the local SPCA. She had been raiding the hen house for eggs and
she had also taken a laying hen or two. Also, they thought that
she'd killed one or two of their cats. The farmers had told the SPCA
ladies that they thought they would catch a racoon. Needless to say,
the girl was very happy to get back to a raw meat diet when she came
to live with us and her new brother Abbott (the city kid who only had
been fed bad kibble until Russell Rescue got him and had to learn to
eat chicken quarters.)

But I digress. So if I can get a good price on brisket or even
(shudder) a pigs head, that would be a good thing to leave out for
them for a few days in the cooler weather? As it is I'll leave two
chicken quarters (or something about that size) out when I go to work
and they can eat them as they want. Sometimes it takes them a while
to finsh the bigger pieces. This is good right?

Debi C
Converse TX

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2b. Re: Big Meat?
Posted by: "Mallory Kwiatkowski" m_k_jesusfreak3@yahoo.com m_k_jesusfreak3
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:33 am ((PST))

I think so, I have given my dogs a whole deer leg, and they all joined in and ate. Something that's that big, I just let them eat their fill, and then cut the rest of the meat off the bone and freeze it, then I hack the leg bone into a few pieces, and they have something to chew on in their crates.
The only bad thing about big meats is where to eat it. I don't have a fenced in yard, so eating outside is out, unless I tie them out, which I could. I have to set it down on my linoleum floor, and baby gate them in that room, because they would eat it on my couch and bed otherwise...
Mallory


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2c. Re: Big Meat?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 9:29 am ((PST))

"Debi C" <dcole6@...> wrote:

> I have two small JRTs. (14 lbs apiece) Someone used the term 'big
> meat'. Is that a size thing like a chicken vrs turkey. A pig vrs
a
> cow or is that the size of the serving?
*****
The food is big in relation to the dog doing the eating. The food is
big in relation to what you might otherwise feed if you were feeding
two meals of balanced size a day.

> > JRTs being small could in the wild only kill things like birds,
> rabbits, etc as opposed to cows or most deer.
*****
Then offer whole birds and rabbits.

The promise of feeding big is not that a small dog will be able to
eat an entire turkey in one setting, or even should. What Big Food
offers is a chance for a small dog to really "get into" his food
(see "dogs in elk" for a literal interpretation); to have to wrestle
with it, to sink his teeth into it right down to his gumline; to use
all his muscles to feed himself. If the small dog never sees
anything larger than a whole small chicken or rabbit, that's cool.
Both are still bigger and more engrossing than wings, legs, thighs,
necks or backs. And that's what matters.

So if I can get a good price on brisket or even
> (shudder) a pigs head, that would be a good thing to leave out for
> them for a few days in the cooler weather?
*****
You can give it a whirl, sure. Cooler weather would be the right
time for such an adventure. If your dogs get along well together in
the presence of food, great. If they are not willing to share, you
might not want to leave food lying about. I either pack it into the
fridge for later or rotate my dogs one by one on the feast. That
works best for my dogs.

As it is I'll leave two
> chicken quarters (or something about that size) out when I go to
work
> and they can eat them as they want.
*****
Yes, this is feeding Big Food but on a less grand scale. You are in
fact already doing it.

I do not allow my dogs to eat unsupervised, especially body parts
with bones in them. People do this though and are quite satisfied
with the results, so--as with many things in the raw feeding world--
you need to make choices you can live with.
Chris O

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2d. Re: Big Meat?
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 12:59 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "costrowski75" <Chriso75@...> wrote:

> I do not allow my dogs to eat unsupervised, especially body parts
> with bones in them. People do this though and are quite satisfied
> with the results, so--as with many things in the raw feeding world--
> you need to make choices you can live with.

Hi Debi,
If feeding a single meal or multiple smaller pieces or the initial
presentation of a big meal, i think Chris is spot on. I would never
leave my dogs alone. If i feed something as huge as a cow head,
however, i don't pay much attention to them when they eat AFTER the
first day's initial gorge chowing feast takes place. After the first
big gorge, the dogs tend to nibble periodically throughout the
remainder of the time the head sits around. Then i feel my job becomes
keeping an eye on how much is left of whatever is sitting out there
and when, if ever, do i need to remove it. This is, also as Chris
said, a do what works for you thing. KathyM

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3a. Re: where do I start?
Posted by: "dholloway26" dholloway26@cox.net dholloway26
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 7:44 am ((PST))

Kathy! thank you so much!! feel free to ramble on anytime!! I
appreicate the information and am reading and since you are all
feeding RAW, who knows better than you!!

Any words of wisdom! keep em coming my way!!
thanks again,
smiles and blessings
debi
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> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "dholloway26" <dholloway26@>
wrote:
> > How do you decide how much to feed?
> >> other words of wisdom?
>
> Hi Debi,
> You need to feed 2-3% of the dog's ideal adult weight per day. I
> would start closer to 2% and then adjust the amount later on if you
> see the dog needs a little more food. I would stick with chicken
for
> one week. Since you have largish dogs, you could buy whole chickens
> and cut into serving size hunks for your crew. After a week if all
is
> going good, you can pick another protein to feed. I fed turkey
> second. Feed for a week and if all is smooth, pick another
> meat...There are a couple of opinions on when to introduce organ
> meats. Me personally, at the end of the first week, i fed a little
> chicken liver. I felt that way i could say i fed through the whole
> critter. Some people recommend no organs for several weeks. I
guess
> i would gauge this by how my dog was doing. My dogs never had loose
> stools, so it worked ok for me. If you have some any adjustment
> difficulties, i would wait the couple of weeks. I think that you
> should know that loose stools are not the same as diarrhea.
Diarrhea
> is brought on by bacteria...or sickness. Loose stools, though messy
> or disruptive to sleep because they always seem to occur during the
> middle of the night, do not mean your dog is sick. They often
result
> from a few newbie mistakes: too much food: too much new food too
> fast: introducing organs too soon or too much: too much fat.
Variety
> of parts from a variety of critters is the real recipe for feeding.
> It helps to remember that 80% meat, 10% bone, 5% liver, and 5% other
> organs constitute the make up of the prey animal that wolves would
> eat, so that should serve as a loose guide in judging what you
feed.
> Not every meal has to be prey animal perfect. Balance is achieved
> over time. Don't stress, drink coffee while you watch your dogs eat
> and celebrate the moments of your life. Raw feeding has been as
much
> fun for me as it has been for my dogs. Wow, i really rambled. HTH,
> KathyM
>

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4a. Re: puppy sick after first week of raw - what am i doing wrong?
Posted by: "ncrnrgrl" jcraver1@nc.rr.com ncrnrgrl
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 7:44 am ((PST))

Kasia,
I'll defer to the more experienced people on the board, but this
sounds like too much too soon, particularly of organ meat. Organs
should only be feed occaisonally, and it's important that you start
them very slowly. Additionally, pumpkin causes loose stools, not sure
why you jumped to that....it's often used as a remedy for
constipation.

I think the advice that will follow is to pick one protein source and
feed just that for a few weeks, and not so much of everything at once.
good luck, you came to the right board for advice.

Jen C>

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "kasiarukszto" <kasiarukszto@...>
wrote:
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> Hi,
>
> this is my first post. My french bulldog puppy has been on pre-made
raw food for a week
> and is not doing well. here's what happened. i started him on beef
and organ mix (no
> bone). i planned on using just beef for the first few weeks to make
sure he tolerates well.
> the first 3 days were great - loved the food, one normal poop a
day, no problems. on 4th
> day, his poop was loose so i thought i need to add some bone to his
diet and bought a
> ground beef/ground bone mix. but because it had to thaw out he
still had two meals of
> meat/organ, and only meat/bone at night. i also gave him some
yogurt and a bit of
> pumpkin.the next morning his poop was a little loose but better. so
i fed him the meat/
> bone mix for the whole day with some pumpkin in two of the meals.
then late last night
> (1AM) he had diarrhea and has been throwing up bile.
>
> i haven't given him anything to eat today, but am at a loss for
what to do next. is this a
> sign he can't eat beef? was it too rich to start with? what should
i give him to eat next (i
> assume i should fast him, right?)?
>
> i will take him to the vet of course to make sure he's otherwise
fine, but i don't want to
> give up on raw feeding, and am not sure that my vet will have much
advice there (he's not
> against, just not his area of expertise). i should say that unitl
today (when the bile throw
> up started), he's been feeling fine (active, drinking water,
alert), so i don't think he's got a
> virus.
>
> thanks for any advice (and constructive criticism:),
>
> kasia
>

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4b. Re: puppy sick after first week of raw - what am i doing wrong?
Posted by: "kasiarukszto" kasiarukszto@yahoo.com kasiarukszto
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:02 am ((PST))

thanks for the response, that's been my guess as well, although the meat/organ mix had only
10% of organ, which i thought is the usual amount (according to some, on the low end of the
recommended scale). should i leave out organ meats altogether for now? should i stay on
beef, or switch to another protein?

Additionally, pumpkin causes loose stools, not sure
> why you jumped to that....it's often used as a remedy for
> constipation.

i've read in many sources that pumpkin can be used for both diarrhea and constipation,
depending on the amount. 1 spoon for diarrhea, 2-3 for constipation.

as an update, mooi hasn't had a bile throw up for over 2 hours, and is beginning to look
more like himself - walking around, and looking for food:) but i'm not giving him anything
for now.

kasia

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4c. Re: puppy sick after first week of raw - what am i doing wrong?
Posted by: "borodeauxs" Borodeauxs@googlemail.com borodeauxs
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 9:59 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "kasiarukszto" <kasiarukszto@...>
wrote:
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> thanks for the response, that's been my guess as well, although
the meat/organ mix had only
> 10% of organ, which i thought is the usual amount (according to
some, on the low end of the
> recommended scale). should i leave out organ meats altogether for
now? should i stay on
> beef, or switch to another protein?
>
>
> Additionally, pumpkin causes loose stools, not sure
> > why you jumped to that....it's often used as a remedy for
> > constipation.
>
> i've read in many sources that pumpkin can be used for both
diarrhea and constipation,
> depending on the amount. 1 spoon for diarrhea, 2-3 for
constipation.
>
>
> as an update, mooi hasn't had a bile throw up for over 2 hours,
and is beginning to look
> more like himself - walking around, and looking for food:) but i'm
not giving him anything
> for now.
>
> kasia

>
Hi would stick with one protien till the little bowls and tummy get
use to this new rich source first I personally would cut back on
organs in every meal,if the pup is still on her 4 meals aday the
organs will add up over the day/days,..I agree that 10% organs
should make up the overall diet,..I try and play it simple regarding
this and work it out like so(10% from 100% is 1 feed out of 10)so 4
meals aday is 10 meals in 2 1/2 days,(which 1 should be organ) so
every 3rd day I will add organs to the diet,..if stools are soft
then hold back a extra day,..this works for my dogs and stools are
acceptable,..stools will be your guide and after a while you will be
able to judge your dogs needs from the waste,..hope your little baby
is doing good now Best Wishes *& Thoughts Stephen/

www.Borodeauxs.com

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4d. Re: puppy sick after first week of raw - what am i doing wrong?
Posted by: "kasiarukszto" kasiarukszto@yahoo.com kasiarukszto
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 10:41 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "borodeauxs" <Borodeauxs@...> wrote:
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>.I agree that 10% organs
> should make up the overall diet,..I try and play it simple regarding
> this and work it out like so(10% from 100% is 1 feed out of 10)so 4
> meals aday is 10 meals in 2 1/2 days,(which 1 should be organ) so
> every 3rd day I will add organs to the diet,..Stephen/

oh okay, so no organs in every meal, just every few days, i get it. will try that for sure. but
what should i do in the meantime? he hasn't eaten yet, should i feed him today at all? should i
just go with beef and bone mix, or should i try something else to help his upset stomach/
bowels? he hasn't pooped since middle of last night, and probably won't till he gets some
food, so i'm not sure how to judge if he can handle any food...

kasia

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4e. Re: puppy sick after first week of raw - what am i doing wrong?
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 12:59 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "kasiarukszto" <kasiarukszto@...>
wrote:
> but
> what should i do in the meantime? he hasn't eaten yet, should i feed
him today at all? should i
> just go with beef and bone mix, ...

Hi Kasia,
If i am reading you correctly, this will seem like a where did that
come from post if i'm not, you are feeding some type of ground premade
frozen patties.? If so, what you need to do is stop feeding them-
period. They are not the raw food diet that you need to be feeding.
Go to the store and buy some bone in chicken breasts, remove the skin
and fat--since you are recovering from the effects of a bad start- and
feed to your dog. Make sure you don't feed more than 2% of your dog's
ideal adult weight per day. Since your dog has some issues, i would
feed 2 small meals the first day and then evaluate where your dog is
at. HTH, KathyM

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4f. Re: puppy sick after first week of raw - what am i doing wrong?
Posted by: "kasiarukszto" kasiarukszto@yahoo.com kasiarukszto
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:23 pm ((PST))

you are feeding some type of ground premade
> frozen patties.? If so, what you need to do is stop feeding them-
> period. They are not the raw food diet that you need to be feeding.
> Go to the store and buy some bone in chicken breasts, remove the skin
> and fat--since you are recovering from the effects of a bad start- and
> feed to your dog. Make sure you don't feed more than 2% of your dog's
> ideal adult weight per day. Since your dog has some issues, i would
> feed 2 small meals the first day and then evaluate where your dog is
> at. HTH, KathyM

yes, i was using pre-made frozen beef patties (meat and organs), and ground beef/ground
bone mix. no vegetables in either. i was feeding him 6% of his current weight since he's a
big 4 month old frenchie and i'm pretty sure he'll exceed the ideal adult weight (i thought
either mesurement was good).

are you saying i should switch to chicken right now? should i cook it for now? what about
adding mushy rice to the chicken till he gets back to normal (my vet used to tell me to do
that when my previous dog would get sick).

with regards to the pre-ground patties, besides the lack of teeth cleaning function, what
are other disadvantages of pre-made (no vegetables or fillers) raw patties? i chose this
type of raw food because of the convenience. i rarely have time to shop and cook for
myself. i'm not being dismissive of the benefits of using whole animal parts etc, i really
think this is the realistic way i could feed my dog raw.

one last thought - could it be beef? i just checked the ingredients in orijen for puppies,
which is what mooi was on before the switch, and it wasn't in the list of ingredients. so
this would be the first time he's had beef. could it be allergy? how can i know for sure?

thanks for all your help, just knowing someone is out there trying to help me get my pup
back to health is very comforting.

kasia
>

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5a. Re: excessive shedding
Posted by: "maxieii" maxieii@yahoo.com maxieii
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:02 am ((PST))

Hello Giselle!
thank you again for taking the time to respond it really helps...i apologize for not
responding sooner had a problem with my internet provider...anyhow i will follow your
suggestions and let you know my progress...

I did have one more question, is it necessary to give a different meat every day? For
example if I get pork can i feed it to her over the coarse of a week and then move onto
beef or chicken etc? Or is that not recommended?

She is still shedding, her topcoat (the long hairs so I will definately introduce more protein
in her diet)

i can't thank you enough for taking the time to respond to my questions! thank you! thank
you!

Roberta

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Giselle <megan.giselle@...> wrote:
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> **** Hi, Roberta! ****
> Hi Giselle!
>
> > Thank you for you reply, over a period of a week I try to give her chicken
> > (whole Cornish hens), lamb,(neck bones with meat) pork, (shoulder and neck
> > bones with meat) and beef, (neck bones) once a week some fish (salmon head
> > which is full of meat and bones,
> > I've tried the whole fish like mackerel she doesn't eat it so I also give
> > her fish oil) the lamb and beef is usually neck bones with lots of meat on
> > it, I also occasionally give her ground beef instead of the beef neck bones
> > (depends on what I find) I give her a small piece of liver or kidney
> > everyday with her meat and bones. (I bought the liver and the kidney cut it
> > up and froze it into portions) I also have lamb heart and sometimes I feed
> > that as the protein ( I was told it is not considered an offal more like
> > protein?)
> >
>
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> > **** Are the Cornish hens really cheap for you, why do you not use
> > 'regular' chicken? Cornish hens are smaller, the bones are softer, but
> > generally they are more expensive and are just young chickens, really.
> >
>
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> > Neck bones, whether beef, lamb or pork, are pretty much too bony to feed
> > by themselves, that would be a great use for the ground beef you feed - I
> > feed ground beef thats so-cheap-you-can't-pass-it-up, but freeze a wad of it
> > onto a pork neck bone (whole) when I'm repackaging for storage after
> > shopping. Your girl would benefit from more meat in her diet, I think.
> >
>
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> > Pork, in the form of shoulder roasts or fresh hams offer more meat, skin
> > and fat for boneless meat and edible bone. The liver and kidney sounds
> > great! Heart from any animal is great meatymeat, beef is usually very
> > reasonable, and can be fed as a boneless meal.
> >
>
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> > Fish or Salmon oil is a great addition to the diet, but make sure there
> > are no plant oils or flavorings added.
> >
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> >
> > Salmon heads are great, but again, by themselves a bit bony. Just because
> > your girl initially refused mackerel doesn't mean that she'll never eat it.
> > Try cutting it up in small chunks and tossing them to her one by one as a
> > 'treat' when you're getting the people dinner ready, dropping them as an
> > "Ooops, the dog can clean that up.', or just mix a few small bits up into
> > some ground beef for a meal. My girl likes her fish frozen. Here's some
> > other suggestions;
> >
> > *http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/130758

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> > *Message #130758*
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> > *http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/134336*
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> > On this list we support and promote a species appropriate raw whole prey
> > model diet, which is significantly different from some other well known
> > diets 'out there', in that the emphasis is on feeding either the whole
> > animal, or as much as we can obtain, over time - much more meat, much less
> > bone, larger animal parts, no, or little ground meats and as much variety in
> > protein and animal parts as possible. Here are some links to websites and
> > archived messages that will explain better;
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> > http://www.rawlearning.com/rawfaq.html
> >
> > http://www.rawlearning.com/supplementmyths.html
> >
> > http://www.rawfed.com/myths/index.html
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> > http://rawfeddogs.net/Recipes
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> > http://rawfeddogs.net/FAQlist
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> > The Lis List, towards the end of this last link, can help you with finding
> > and sourcing protein variety;
> >
> > *http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/141374 *
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> > *post # 141374 *****
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> > When I first started she was eating about 1.75lbs a day then I saw her
> > getting too chunky so now its around 1.25lb sometimes a bit more and
> > sometimes closer to 1lb.
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> > **** Monitoring your dog's weight and tweaking the amounts you feed up or
> > down in response to the dog's needs are important, and a smart thing to do.
> > When you start to feed more meat, more fat and less bone, you may have to
> > adjust the amounts you feed regularly. ****
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> > Occasionally there is some leftover cooked meat and I have given that to
> > her, is that a bad thing?
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> > **** As long as its not a significant part of the diet, no worries. : )
> > ****
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> > I would like to order green tripe from Bravos as have been told it is
> > full of nutrients and very good for them.
> >
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> > **** Tripe is a good addition, it adds variety, and dogs love it! It is
> > stinky, tho' ; ) Mixing it in with refused meats can change a dog's mind!
> > ****
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> I am still a newbie and am scared at times that I am doing something wrong,
> > I do thank you for all your help.
> >
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> **** NP, YQW! ^_^ Just post a lot with updates and ask lots of questions!
> ****
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> > TC Giselle
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> Roberta
> > (Maxie II)
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> > --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com <rawfeeding%40yahoogroups.com>, Giselle
> > <megan.giselle@> wrote:
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> > > Hi, Maxie, is it?
> > <snip>
> > > Just in case the raw diet you're feeding needs tweaking, what *exactly*
> > are
> > > you feeding? Plenty of meat and protein variety? Edible bone? Liver and
> > > other organs? How much? How often?
> > >
> > > TC
> > > Giselle
> > > with Bea in New Jersey
> >
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5b. Re: excessive shedding
Posted by: "shefy gupta" shefy7@yahoo.com shefy7
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 11:30 am ((PST))

do the dogs eat the fish bones? aren't they too small/hard/pointy to feed?

shefy and snowy





once a week some fish (salmon head
> > which is full of meat and bones,
> > I've tried the whole fish like mackerel she doesn't eat it so I also give
> > her fish oil)

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6a. Re: turkey for little JRT?
Posted by: "Sandrea Kornblum" misssweetpeas@verizon.net sandreaelyse
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:33 am ((PST))

I would like to do something like this but am wondering how you manage
it if you have more than one dog. I have three dogs who fight viciously
over food, so they are all fed separately. I only feed appropriate
single meal amounts because none is going to abandon food early knowing
the others would eat it.
Sandrea
Falmouth, ME

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6b. Re: turkey for little JRT?
Posted by: "shefy gupta" shefy7@yahoo.com shefy7
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 11:30 am ((PST))

feed them separetly. or use the idea someone else said in this post to just take turns on one big meat.

i was hesitant to let snowy have a big piece of meat fearful of him eating it all but he just left it after a normal sized meal he's been used to!

have fun

shefy and snowy

Sandrea Kornblum <misssweetpeas@verizon.net> wrote:
I would like to do something like this but am wondering how you manage
it if you have more than one dog. I have three dogs who fight viciously
over food, so they are all fed separately. I only feed appropriate
single meal amounts because none is going to abandon food early knowing
the others would eat it.
Sandrea
Falmouth, ME

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6c. Re: turkey for little JRT?
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 12:59 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Sandrea Kornblum"
<misssweetpeas@...> wrote:
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> I would like to do something like this but am wondering how you manage
> it if you have more than one dog.

Hi Sandrea,
If my dogs didn't eat politely when offered big meals, i wouldn't
leave the meat laying around. I have always fed outside and each dog
always eats in that same general area. When i feed big food, i place
one big item in each dog's usual place, and they just stay there and
eat until they decide to call it quits. After the first initial
feasting, mine don't mind leaving their food and usually only eat from
the food that is in "their" spot later on. It also seems like they
reach a point where they just believe that there is sooo much food
they don't mind playing musical foods. If i were you, however, i
would just put the big item down and let one dog eat until he quits.
Put that dog in, and offer to another .... You know, play musical dogs
and rotate. KathyM

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7a. Deer Meat and Chronic Wasting Disease
Posted by: "agrobes4" agrobes4@yahoo.com agrobes4
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:33 am ((PST))

I'm new to raw feeding and have a 3 month old English Mastiff. As I
come from the midwest, I have some relatives that are willing to
supply me w/ about 90# of old deer meat. I was wondering if anyone has
had any difficulty w/ the Chronic Wasting Disease that has been
prevalent in deer around the country? Any opinions?

Also, I was wondering what a usual dosage of fish oil would be for a
dog the size of a mastiff? Right now I'm using 1,000 mg/week. Does
that sound right?

Thanks,

Aaron and Hank

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7b. Re: Deer Meat and Chronic Wasting Disease
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 9:59 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "agrobes4" <agrobes4@...> wrote:
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> I was wondering if anyone has
> had any difficulty w/ the Chronic Wasting Disease that has been
> prevalent in deer around the country? Any opinions?

Dogs don't catch CWD. If you are worried about it, don't feed the
brains or spinal chord.

> Also, I was wondering what a usual dosage of fish oil would be for
a
> dog the size of a mastiff? Right now I'm using 1,000 mg/week. Does
> that sound right?

I have never given fish oil so I can't be of help to you about it.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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8a. BEEF BONE confusion
Posted by: "Lynette" lraefried@sbcglobal.net cherrysmomma
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 9:41 am ((PST))

I have read conflicting messages about beef bones. Is it good or not
good to let your dog eat things like T-bones, rib bone, etc.?

About 4 days ago I gave,Cherry 42 lb pit mix,a T-Bone that I cut off
our steak before we cooked it; she ate it but the next morning she
threw up mostly bone pieces.

Lynette

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8b. Re: BEEF BONE confusion
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 11:30 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Lynette" <lraefried@...> wrote:
>
> I have read conflicting messages about beef bones. Is it good or not
> good to let your dog eat things like T-bones, rib bone, etc.?

Hi Lynette,
The trouble with beef bones is that they tend to be too dense for a
dog to eat. Most beef bones are not edible. So while i would feed a
slab of beef rib bones all connected together, i would remove the bone
once the meat and such was gone because they then become bare naked
bones that can wreck a dog's teeth or at least wear them down. Beef
ribs, for my dogs, are a chewy-keep em busy-fun food, but i wouldn't
call them a meal. I wouldn't purposely feed a bone from which i had
removed the meat no matter what type of bone it was-not that its
dangerous, i just don't see the point. Even if you left the meat on a
t-bone, the bone itself is cut into an unnatural shape by a saw. I
personally wouldn't, even if i could afford it, feed any steak bones
to my dogs because of the cut of the bone, not the bone itself. KathyM

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9a. File - Admin-Trim it, Sign it, and Sig lines-PLEASE READ!!!
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10.1. File - Other related lists
Posted by: "rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com" rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:24 pm ((PST))

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