Feed Pets Raw Food: [rawfeeding] Digest Number 12291

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Want to start RAW feeding with Papillon
From: Annie Ness
1b. Re: Want to start RAW feeding with Papillon
From: Sandee Lee

2a. Re: Does anyone have greyhounds that they feed raw? - Alabama rot
From: spricketysprock
2b. Re: Does anyone have greyhounds that they feed raw? - Alabama rot
From: Sandee Lee

3. Want to start RAW feeding with Papillonþ
From: anniegness

4a. Looking for website with dogs eating all kinds of raw meats
From: aldona99
4b. Re: Looking for website with dogs eating all kinds of raw meats
From: Sandee Lee

5a. Re: Does anyone have greyhounds that they feed raw?
From: Roey
5b. Re: Does anyone have greyhounds that they feed raw?
From: costrowski75

6a. Re: where do I start?
From: diannem200400

7a. Re: puppy sick after first week of raw - what am i doing wrong?
From: Sandee Lee
7b. Re: puppy sick after first week of raw - what am i doing wrong?
From: katkellm
7c. Re: puppy sick after first week of raw - what am i doing wrong?
From: Mallory Kwiatkowski
7d. Re: puppy sick after first week of raw - what am i doing wrong?
From: kasiarukszto

8a. Tips on finicky eater?
From: jenna
8b. Re: Tips on finicky eater?
From: Sandee Lee
8c. Re: Tips on finicky eater?
From: rosey031801

9. Re: Alabama Rot...
From: Anntiga@aol.com

10.1. Question
From: jetblst2002
10.2. Re: Question
From: Sandee Lee

11a. Re: Deer Meat and Chronic Wasting Disease
From: katkellm
11b. Re: Deer Meat and Chronic Wasting Disease
From: costrowski75

12a. Re: excessive shedding
From: Giselle
12b. Re: excessive shedding
From: Giselle

13a. Re: turkey for little JRT?
From: costrowski75

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1a. Want to start RAW feeding with Papillon
Posted by: "Annie Ness" annieg91186@hotmail.com anniegness
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 3:52 pm ((PST))

Hi Everyone!

I am new to this group so I hope I do this right. I have an 8lb Papillon that I want to start to RAW feed. I have been doing a lot of research but I noticed that a lot of food ideas/recipes are for bigger dogs. I just don't think I can give my little gal a huge chunk of meat and bone. What I was hoping for is any advice from people with little dogs on what to feed. I know that I will start with something simple like chicken and move on from there. Also if anyone has any book recommendations, or other site recommendations that have more information for small dogs that would be great!!

Thanks Annie and the pap(Heidi)
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1b. Re: Want to start RAW feeding with Papillon
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 5:35 pm ((PST))

Hi Annie,

There are a lot of people on this list feeding small dogs...and you'd be
surprised what they can eat! Here are a few pictures of small dogs/puppies
eating nice large hunks of food...

http://homepage.mac.com/rhbmgmt/PhotoAlbum14.html
http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=7040435&uid=171870&members=1
http://i5.tinypic.com/14ybct1.jpg

Rather than a book or other sites, I would recommend going back and reading
past messages. I know we have quite a few chis, pugs and other smaller dogs
being fed raw. Just do a search on one of those breeds or even on Papillons
in the archives and see what you come up with. We do discuss this
frequently.

Obviously *I* don't know much about feeding small. <g>

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Annie Ness" <annieg91186@hotmail.com>
> I am new to this group so I hope I do this right. I have an 8lb Papillon
that I want to start to RAW feed. I have been doing a lot of research but I
noticed that a lot of food ideas/recipes are for bigger dogs. I just don't
think I can give my little gal a huge chunk of meat and bone. What I was
hoping for is any advice from people with little dogs on what to feed. I
know that I will start with something simple like chicken and move on from
there. Also if anyone has any book recommendations, or other site
recommendations that have more information for small dogs that would be
great!!

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2a. Re: Does anyone have greyhounds that they feed raw? - Alabama rot
Posted by: "spricketysprock" jess.hamway@gmail.com spricketysprock
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 3:52 pm ((PST))

Just wondering if anyone has heard of Alabama rot, which is supposedly
a fatal disease caused by E. Coli in raw meat... Has anyone had a
problem with E. Coli or any other bacteria in meat?

Thanks,
Jess & Toby

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2b. Re: Does anyone have greyhounds that they feed raw? - Alabama rot
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 4:00 pm ((PST))

I've not heard of any problems. I've been feeding raw for 8 years, been on
this list for at least 4, where there are over 10,000 members and have not
heard about any dogs with e. coli or other bacterial infections caused by
diet. Carnivores have powerful digestive acids that kill harmful bacteria.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "spricketysprock" <jess.hamway@gmail.com>

Just wondering if anyone has heard of Alabama rot, which is supposedly
a fatal disease caused by E. Coli in raw meat... Has anyone had a
problem with E. Coli or any other bacteria in meat?

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3. Want to start RAW feeding with Papillonþ
Posted by: "anniegness" annieg91186@hotmail.com anniegness
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 3:52 pm ((PST))

Hi Everyone!

I am new to this group so I hope I do this right. I have an 8lb
Papillon that I want to start to RAW feed. I have been doing a lot of
research but I noticed that a lot of food ideas/recipes are for bigger
dogs. I just don't think I can give my little gal a huge chunk of meat
and bone. What I was hoping for is any advice from people with little
dogs on what to feed. I know that I will start with something simple
like chicken and move on from there. Also if anyone has any book
recommendations, or other site recommendations that have more
information for small dogs that would be great!!

Thanks Annie and the pap(Heidi)

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4a. Looking for website with dogs eating all kinds of raw meats
Posted by: "aldona99" aldona99@yahoo.com aldona99
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 3:53 pm ((PST))

Hi,

I tried to look for the site myself, but there are so many veterans
here on this list, I'm sure they can help me find it again.

I read it on this list weeks ago. I thought I bookmarked the website,
but of course, I didn't.

I wanted to know what certain cuts of meats looked like. There were
also pictues of dogs crunching on deer heads, or whole rabbits. It's a
site I've not seen anywhere else. Does anyone know which site I'm
talking about? The owner of that site, is I believe, also on this list....

Thank you in advance..
Aldona in GErmany, trying to see what I can get my hands on here.

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4b. Re: Looking for website with dogs eating all kinds of raw meats
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 3:56 pm ((PST))

Oh, that was Kevin's site.....
http://rawfeddogs.net

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "aldona99" <aldona99@yahoo.com>

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5a. Re: Does anyone have greyhounds that they feed raw?
Posted by: "Roey" desertgreyhounds@cox.net slvrfx1
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 3:53 pm ((PST))

> >
> >
> >
> > I have two rescued greyhounds that I would like to start feeding
> raw.

We have 4 rescued greyhounds. 3 of them have eaten raw for almost 7
years and the other one for 2 years-as long as we've had him. Having
that many large dogs usually produces huge piles of smelly waste-not so
when fed raw! They are healthier and our job of pick-up is so much
easier.

Roey Fowler
Slick-12, Pumba 11 1/2, Noevel 10, Raisin 7.

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5b. Re: Does anyone have greyhounds that they feed raw?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 6:24 pm ((PST))

"valpascale" <valpascale@...> wrote:
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> I'm new to the group and have just recently started transitioning
> from kibble (ack! dirty word!) and canned food to raw, so I'm still
> figuring things out and learning what my dogs like and don't like.
*****
This can be a useful method for switching cats, but there's no point to
it when working with dogs. You do not have to prolong the commercial
food agony one meal longer. Just put it away and start feeding real
food. Dogs will not starve themselves. Cats will.
Chris O

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6a. Re: where do I start?
Posted by: "diannem200400" diannem200400@yahoo.com diannem200400
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 3:53 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "dholloway26" <dholloway26@...>
wrote:
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> OK, really excited about going back to what is natural for dogs! My
> husband fed our dogue de bordeaux (French mastiff) this morning and
> gave him 2 leg quarters. Since we are new, we are starting first
> with our dogue who has allergies
> How do you decide how much to feed?

Hi Debi:

I will only answer with regard to your dogue because I have 4 at home.
I have been feeding raw only for about 6 months, but it has done great
things for the dogues. I started with about 2 per cent of body weight
for amount, but found that was a little too much and had to cut back
some. It really depends on body shape and level of activity. I have
one dogue who is quite lean and he gets the meat with the most fat on
it. I also have one who has severe allergies. I have been advised by
the pros on this list that fish oil caps at therapeutic doses might
help, and that does seem to be working. A therapeutic dose would be
1000 mg per 10 or 20 pounds of body weight per day.

My hat is off to you with feeding all those dogs and kids! The raw
feeding will be less pricey for you if you search the archives and get
advice on where to look for bargain meat. I get most of mine from an
Hispanic grocer who gets it for me in 40 lb. boxes at just about
wholesale price. Beef heart is a staple in my house at .49 a pound.

Good luck!

Dianne M.

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7a. Re: puppy sick after first week of raw - what am i doing wrong?
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 3:54 pm ((PST))

Hi Kasia,

Here is some info about feeding ground diets.....

http://rawfed.com/myths/ground.html

I doubt very much that he has an allergy to beef...I think it was just a
matter of starting out with beef and organs, no bone, and it just got out of
control.

I think I would switch to chicken right now as Kathy suggested. No cooking
and NO rice!! :)) Seriously, cooked foods and grains are far harder to
digest than raw. Oh, and no pumpkin or yogurt. Just start over with the
chicken, go slow and add in appropriate foods once his digestive system has
adapted. You may even want to drop the amount also as too much food can
cause loose stools. Feed smaller more frequent meals until you get this
under control.

You will find once you get into this, feeding whole parts is not going to be
all that difficult.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "kasiarukszto" <kasiarukszto@yahoo.com>

are you saying i should switch to chicken right now? should i cook it for
now? what about
adding mushy rice to the chicken till he gets back to normal (my vet used to
tell me to do
that when my previous dog would get sick).

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7b. Re: puppy sick after first week of raw - what am i doing wrong?
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 4:56 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "kasiarukszto" <kasiarukszto@...>
wrote:
> yes, i was using pre-made frozen beef patties (meat and organs), and
ground beef/ground
> bone mix. no vegetables in either. i was feeding him 6% of his
current weight since he's a
> big 4 month old frenchie and i'm pretty sure he'll exceed the ideal
adult weight (i thought
> either mesurement was good).

You need to stop feeding the patties and buy some real food, aka
chicken breasts. Next, you need to recalculate the amount that you
are feeding. If you believe your dog is going to weigh, perhaps,
10lbs over breed standard, then feed 2% of that weight, not 6% of what
breed standard should be. You are much better off to feed a little
too little at the start than too much. You can always increase the
amount of food in a week or so if you see the need.
>
> are you saying i should switch to chicken right now? should i cook
it for now? what about
> adding mushy rice to the chicken till he gets back to normal (my vet
used to tell me to do
> that when my previous dog would get sick).

Yes, that's what i think you should do. Go back to square one and
start off the raw diet the way it is generally recommended to on this
list. No, you shouldn't cook the chicken, and no, you shouldn't feed
rice to your dog. I am sure your vet's intentions were good, but
feeding carbs to a dog is not a good idea as a whole or as a fix.

>
> with regards to the pre-ground patties, besides the lack of teeth
cleaning function, what
> are other disadvantages of pre-made (no vegetables or fillers) raw
patties? i chose this
> type of raw food because of the convenience.

Pet food companies are pet food companies. They are in it for the
$$$. Pre-made patty companies use inferior ingredients, tend to be
too heavy in the bone content because its cheaper to make if you use a
lot of bone, and ground anything is not better for digestion because
dog's come with teeth and in order for everything to work according to
nature's plan, they need to use those teeth to rip the food into hunks
that will fit down their throat so the stomach acids can do their job
and break down the food. Ground of any kind robs not only the teeth,
but confuses digestion and triggers inappropriate body responses.

> one last thought - could it be beef? i just checked the ingredients
in orijen for puppies,
> which is what mooi was on before the switch, and it wasn't in the
list of ingredients. so
> this would be the first time he's had beef. could it be allergy? how
can i know for sure?

I seriously doubt, though i can't promise, that it's an allergic
reaction. Right now, though, i don't think you need to know that for
sure. What you need to do, for sure, is to get your puppy on some
real food. You aren't going to cook the chicken or any raw meat. Raw
is really simple to feed. Buy the meat, cut into appropriate serving
amount sizes, hand to the dog. That's it. A few weeks from now,
you'll occasionally feed some organs. That's all there is too it.
Remember, chicken breasts, remove the skin and fat for now and feed 2%
of your dog's estimated ideal adult weight in several small meals
until things start shaping up. Honestly, that's the best thing i can
tell you. KathyM

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7c. Re: puppy sick after first week of raw - what am i doing wrong?
Posted by: "Mallory Kwiatkowski" m_k_jesusfreak3@yahoo.com m_k_jesusfreak3
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 5:15 pm ((PST))

Could be detox too. A switch to wholesome foods will in the first few weeks get rid of all these toxins, through smelly skin, bad breath, even vomiting and the like. Then bam, wonder dog.
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7d. Re: puppy sick after first week of raw - what am i doing wrong?
Posted by: "kasiarukszto" kasiarukszto@yahoo.com kasiarukszto
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 6:02 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Mallory Kwiatkowski <m_k_jesusfreak3@...> wrote:
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> Could be detox too.

thanks, everyone, for your responses. mooi seems pretty well now, playing and his usual
active 4 month old self. no bowel movement as yet, he had a solid stool late this afternoon,
even though he had no food for the day yet (I've been terrified to feed him anything). so i'll
start over and hope things will improve.

thanks again, kasia

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8a. Tips on finicky eater?
Posted by: "jenna" jennawing@charter.net jennawing
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 4:18 pm ((PST))

Serious newbie here- just starting out on raw feeding. We are about
a week into this and have run into a couple problems already.

We have 4 dogs- Sirius- 65lb, 8yo shepherd mix (with expensive skin
issues that were the real inspiration for an overall diet change),
Hogan- 28lb 2yo rat terrier (a show dog that needs to build bulk and
muscle), Pagan- 12lb 2yo rat terrier (a plethorea of allergies of
her own), and Natalie- 95lb 3yo ridgeback mix (who is just a little
overweight, despite her love/hate relationship with food). As you
can see, we have plenty of incentive to make this raw diet thing
work for everyone.

Sirius is loving it, but his teeth are not the best (product of a
prolonged skin allergy and chewing). His gums are taking a beating
on this. Will this get better? Doesn't seem to deter him any, but I
can imagine the vet is going to crawl me on it if it doesn't get
better before his next visit.

Biggest problem, though, is Natalie will not eat. She has always
been a binge and fast eater- is that the correct term? Barely
nibbles for days then will eat a bowl full? Anyway, she turns the
bowl over, hides the food, tries to covered it with floor tile,
jumps away if she steps on it by accident. She's terrified of it.
It's dead. It needs to be buried. Get it away from her.

We can cut off tiny pieces of meat (as long as she doesn't see where
it came from) and she will eventually take them if you act like it's
a big game- which is tiring, as you can imagine. The meat as a
whole, though, she jumps back and barks at you. You leave the food
and try to act like it's no big deal, she lays down and sighs like
we are all stupid and she still won't go near it.

We started off feeding the boys seperated out- as we wanted to be
sure the two gulpers would feel at leisure to chew. We have been
feeding the girls in the same room. Little as she may be, Pagan is a
serious chow hound and quite competitive, territorial, and
possessive. We thought feeding the girls together would encourage
Natalie to be more interested. She isn't. Nat is
uncharachteristically letting Pagan snatch all the food and build a
pile. If it had been a ball, Natalie would have slapped Pagan right
out of the way and took what she considered hers, but not the new
food. Nope. More flopping over, more sighs, more dancing eyebrows of
hate and disgust. We suck. She wants a new family. You get the idea.

So, any tips on how to encourage her to eat would be great. I
thought about just not feeding her until she got hungry. She does it
to herself, after all. Her energy level drops when she doesn't eat,
though, and I worry that she will be a lot more stubborn than me. I
keep telling myself she is a dog and not to feel bad that she is so
put out by this and she will give in eventually, but after several
days of nothing more than tidbits we cajoled her into, I know there
must be something to make her act normal. Please say there is.

And while I am writing, any tips on feeding raw to cats- sites you
trust, etc. ? Changing everyone over at once was too big a bite for
us (pardon the pun) but the cats are next. I am still reading, but
there is so much conflicting information I am feeling overwhelmed.
Among our 5 kitties, we have dealt with chronic uti, thyroid, weight
loss, weight gain, hair loss, and more, so there is a serious need
for change all around. I am feeling out places to get whole fish.
All I can think about is having to go catch them myself and getting
covered in fire ants.

All our dogs and cats are speutered except Hogan, and no health
issues in the dogs other than the skin allergies, if that makes any
difference to the advice given. Feel free to ask anything
pertinent. :D

If this works as well as it is supposed to, do you think the vet
will miss us? :P I think he should buy me a bigger freezer.

Thanks in advance,
jenna

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8b. Re: Tips on finicky eater?
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 5:49 pm ((PST))

Hi Jenna,

What exactly are you feeding that is causing gum damage?

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "jenna" <jennawing@charter.net>

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8c. Re: Tips on finicky eater?
Posted by: "rosey031801" rosey031801@sbcglobal.net rosey031801
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 6:02 pm ((PST))

My ten year old special needs dog did not want the raw meat at first
either. I got great tips from the senoir feeding group. Things like
searing the boneless to imitate the cooked flavor and trying seasonings
like cheese and garlic. I was willing to do whatever it took to get
over the hump and it worked. The coaxing only lasted a couple of
months, then he started acting like a normal wild dog and takes it out
in the yard, protects it, and then eats it. Cutting up boneless meats
and trying things to enhance the flavor will help with the switch. I
think there is an addiction they have to get over at first. It is like
trying to get a five year old child to eat plain brwon rice compared to
Mc Something cheeseburgers and fries. I can be hard but it is well
worth it in the end!
Cheryl

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9. Re: Alabama Rot...
Posted by: "Anntiga@aol.com" Anntiga@aol.com anntiga
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 4:19 pm ((PST))

I just had to look this up. What I could find is that it had to do with
Greyhounds.

Here is what is says it is: Alabama Rot (Idiopathic cutaneous and renal
glomerular disease) has been reported only in greyhounds.

Here is what I found on the following site:

_http://www.adopt-a-greyhound.org/advice/medwisdm.html_

(http://www.adopt-a-greyhound.org/advice/medwisdm.html)

Researchers at Kansas State University have done a study to try and
determine the cause of Alabama Rot. After eliminating several possibilities, they
took healthy dogs and fed them 4D Meat in an attempt to duplicate the symptoms
of Alabama Rot. The study concluded that the Bacteria E. coli, which is found
in 4D Meat is the cause of Alabama Rot. 4D (meaning Dead, Dying, Diseased or
Disabled) meat can come from cattle , sheep, poultry, goats, horses ,
roadkill or even bodies of cats and dogs euthanized at animal shelters. 4D meat is
apparently widely fed to racing greyhounds because it is high in protein and
it is cheap (approx. 40 cents per pound) .

Another site states that the above is NOT true. Here is the link:
_http://www.gra-america.org/the_sport/articles/a_myths.html_

(http://www.gra-america.org/the_sport/articles/a_myths.html)

I would love to hear the from the many knowledgeable people on this list.

Of course, I will NEVER stop feeding prey model raw. I am just curious.

thanks,
Ann Gaskell
Norman (PWD, prey model raw fed since 12 weeks old; now 20 months old)
San Francisco Peninsula, CA, USA

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10.1. Question
Posted by: "jetblst2002" bosboy101@mac.com jetblst2002
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 4:26 pm ((PST))

Hello Everyone,

I use to do a raw diet way back in 2000, during my time doing it I
learner that you should to add some veggies to what ever you were
doing. I'm again thinking of doing a raw diet again with a Border
Collie puppy that I'm getting. So I have been reading web site after
web site today to make sure I do everything right. The one thing they
all talk about is the ratio that you use, none of them talk about what
to really feed a puppy. One did say you wanted to between 10-40% of
there weight, but that way for a really young puppy and they did not
say what really young is.
So I guess my question is what would you feed a 8 week old border and
how do you know when to start lowering the amount of food intake.
Is it also fine to just feed meat, bone and organs or do I need to add
something to the mix?

Thanks for your advise

Travis

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10.2. Re: Question
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 5:38 pm ((PST))

Travis,

Here are a few past messages about puppy feeding. Search the
archives...this comes up frequently.
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/135757
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/135847
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/137170
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/145223

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "jetblst2002" <bosboy101@mac.com>
So I guess my question is what would you feed a 8 week old border and
how do you know when to start lowering the amount of food intake.
Is it also fine to just feed meat, bone and organs or do I need to add
something to the mix?

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11a. Re: Deer Meat and Chronic Wasting Disease
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 5:02 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "agrobes4" <agrobes4@...> wrote:
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I was wondering if anyone has
> had any difficulty w/ the Chronic Wasting Disease that has been
> prevalent in deer around the country?

Hi Aaron,
Check out this post from Casey.

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/141729

> Also, I was wondering what a usual dosage of fish oil would be for a
> dog the size of a mastiff? Right now I'm using 1,000 mg/week. Does
> that sound right?

The usual dose is 1000mg per 20lbs of dog. I feed salmon oil about 4
times a week. KathyM

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11b. Re: Deer Meat and Chronic Wasting Disease
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 6:32 pm ((PST))

"agrobes4" <agrobes4@...> wrote:
I was wondering if anyone has
> had any difficulty w/ the Chronic Wasting Disease that has been
> prevalent in deer around the country? Any opinions?
*****
CWD does not appear to affect wolves or dogs, but it is an issue for
cats. (I feed my cats deer meat.) You do not have to worry about
CWD.

> Also, I was wondering what a usual dosage of fish oil would be for
a
> dog the size of a mastiff? Right now I'm using 1,000 mg/week. Does
> that sound right?
*****
While the dosage depends not only on the size of dog but also the
purpose, 1000mg a week is not hardly enough for anything.

A recommended maintenance dose is one 1000mg capsule per 30 pounds of
dog, daily. A recommended therapeutic dose can be as much as one
1000mg capsule per 10 pounds of dog, daily.

Of course, the dosage would also depend on how much grassfed
meat/high Omega 3 fish the dog is getting on a regular basis. A diet
fully grassfed would not need a maintenance dose.
Chris O

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12a. Re: excessive shedding
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 5:26 pm ((PST))

Hi, Shefy!
Nope! The raw bones are quite soft. Even the fins, which can
seem quite poky are crunched right up and are digested just fine. Bea starts
at the head after licking the fish all over, and it goes down nicely.

Buy a few small smelt or sardines and try feeding one with a meatymeat meal
once or twice a week. I bet Snowy will love them, and beg for more!

Feeding whole fish is a great way to get whole prey into a dog's diet. My
Bea eats whole mackerel, one of which would probably be 3-4 meals for a dog
Snowy's size, and she eats small fish like sardines frozen into a lump of
5-7 together.
TC
Giselle

On Nov 18, 2007 2:25 PM, shefy gupta <shefy7@yahoo.com> wrote:

> do the dogs eat the fish bones? aren't they too small/hard/pointy to
> feed?
>
> shefy and snowy
>
>

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12b. Re: excessive shedding
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 5:47 pm ((PST))

Hello Giselle!

> Thank you again for taking the time to respond it really helps...I
> apologize for not
> responding sooner had a problem with my internet provider...anyhow I will
> follow your
> suggestions and let you know my progress...
>

**** Hi, Roberta! - NP, its great to hear from you. ****

I did have one more question, is it necessary to give a different meat every
day? For

> example if I get pork can I feed it to her over the course of a week and
> then move onto
> beef or chicken etc? Or is that not recommended?
>

> **** No, its not necessary, once you've introduced several different
> proteins and organs. The *feed one protein a week, then move on to another*
> plan is for newbies and their dogs, so that the newbies can get the hang of
> raw feeding, and the dogs can get acclimated to the raw with as little
> digestive upset as possible. A lot of people who buy in bulk, or through a
> co-op, or get given stuff from hunters or through FreeCycle have freezers
> full of one or two kinds of protein, its easier & cheaper for them to feed
> through what's in there, then fill up with a different one for variety when
> that supply is exhausted, than buy smaller, but more expensive batches of
> different proteins. And seasonal availability affects what some of us can
> obtain and feed. Those of us who shop for variety in smaller batches often
> end up with packed freezers, anyway, so we feed what comes to hand, (or what
> falls out when we open the door! ^_^) and work our way through to the back
> of the freezer. "Balance Over Time" is a good motto to remember - feed what
> you can get, but always strive for protein and organ variety over weeks or
> months. Pork is often fattier than beef or chicken, depending on the cut, so
> you might want to trim some of the visible fat at first when introducing it.
> ****
>
She is still shedding, her topcoat (the long hairs so I will definitely
> introduce more protein in her diet)
>

> **** Good idea! Are you planning to introduce Salmon or Fish Body oil?
> ****
>
I can't thank you enough for taking the time to respond to my questions!
> Thank you! Thank
> you!
>
> Roberta
>

> **** TC Giselle ****
>

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13a. Re: turkey for little JRT?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Nov 18, 2007 6:14 pm ((PST))

"Sandrea Kornblum" <misssweetpeas@...> wrote:
>
> I would like to do something like this but am wondering how you manage
> it if you have more than one dog. I have three dogs who fight
viciously
> over food, so they are all fed separately.
*****
My dogs don't fight viciously over food but they don't get along.
Mostly what I do is feed each dog meals large enough to sustain it for
two or three days; that way they each can pig out and there's no
complaining.

There is a lotta wiggle room between group feeding and feeding single
meal amounts.
Chris O

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