[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12294

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: excessive shedding
From: Yasuko herron
1b. Re: excessive shedding
From: costrowski75
1c. Re: excessive shedding
From: shefy gupta

2a. {Raw Feeding} Need to rethink my diet
From: Brandi Bryant
2b. Re: {Raw Feeding} Need to rethink my diet
From: Andrea
2c. Re: {Raw Feeding} Need to rethink my diet
From: Yasuko herron
2d. Re: {Raw Feeding} Need to rethink my diet
From: Brandi Bryant

3. Oregon sources for raw food.
From: Leanne

4. {Raw Feeding} Probiotic
From: Brandi Bryant

5a. Re: Tips on finicky eater?
From: rosey031801
5b. Re: Tips on finicky eater?
From: jenna

6a. Bad meat??
From: trayc2244
6b. Re: Bad meat??
From: Andrea
6c. Re: Bad meat??
From: Sonja
6d. Re: Bad meat??
From: Andrea

7a. Re: feeding salmon
From: Michael Moore
7b. Re: feeding salmon
From: Erika

8a. Re: deer head
From: Michael Moore

9a. Re: Raw and Eclampsia
From: briargarden07
9b. Re: Raw and Eclampsia
From: Renate

10a. kind of off topic
From: beaulah_2001us
10b. Re: kind of off topic
From: Sonja

11a. salmon
From: beaulah_2001us

12a. Re: Does anyone have greyhounds that they feed raw?
From: dawnt91

13a. Re: How to tell if it is any good?
From: Dawn Crosier

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1a. Re: excessive shedding
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:37 am ((PST))

>i have a salmon oil that i put onto his treats sometimes and he likes it...but wouldn't it be better to get all the omega's from real food like fish?

yes,I think so if diet can give enough Omega3 only from whole foods not by cap or liquid.

But it is very hard to give enough omega 3.

If you buy grassfed beef or lamb or goat;grassfed anything,you get more omega3 in thedog diet by feeding such meat much more than the commercial beef/lamb/goat etc you get at super market.

Problem isthat,buying such things are quite costy.

some meat cost you 22 dollarsper pound..well,I hada chance to see pasture-raised Turkey on site but with 10lb bird,it cost you 75 dollars!!!!
for chicken,23 dollars per 5-6lb sized chicken. If you buy grassfed beef,it will cost much much more,I am guessing.

Idealy,if you can feed grassfed animals mainly to dogs,then,you maybe getting your dog omega3 and you may andmay not additional omega3 cap or liquid,but it really is hard.

And omega 3 rich fish are salmon,Jack Mackerral,Herring,sardine,Anchovi etc.

I do not think Tilapia is big on omega3. Good for variety maybe but not for omega purpose.

> which fish are good to feed for these nutrients/minerals?

If I can,I try to feed omega 3 rich fish from fresh fish,but mostlikely,I get other fish like perch,mahimahi,haddocks,flounder,shark etc from fish counter whatever it looks good on or great price on sale for variety. And I don't feed fresh salmon myself and I feed canned salmon for salmon intake. It is not because of parasite,but I rather do not like idea that salmon you find at store is having added color to it so that fresh can look much reddish organge and,I do not buy it to my dog.

And I try getting wild caught fish as much aspossible.

I don't feed tilapia;this gives my dog bright green gooey poo diarrhea andshe is so miserable..

I do not feed catfish either;all she wantrs to do is roll on it,not eating it..

yassy

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1b. Re: excessive shedding
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:45 am ((PST))

shefy gupta <shefy7@...> wrote:>
> snowy has been shedding quite a bit lately too...actually for
awhile. i give him tilapia about once or twice a week. and that makes
his coat soft and shiny and healthy. but he still sheds like mad.
*****
Shefy, you absolutely positively need to remember to trim your
messages!

Tilapia is an okay source for protein variety but it has no Omega 3
value and is pretty lean so if your dog is responding well to Tilapia
it's either because Snowy's getting a needed nutritional boost or
you're also doing something else that IS making a difference.

i have a salmon oil that i put onto his treats sometimes and he
likes it...but wouldn't it be better to get all the omega's from real
food like fish?
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Of course. But Tilapia isn't one of those fish. And neither are
feedlot livestock or factory poultry. If you rely on agribusiness
meats, Snowy is getting a truckload of Omega 6 and not nearly enough
Omega 3. That's the unfortunate fact. Feeding "real food" isn't
enough, generally speaking.

If one cannot/will not feed grassfed livestock, freerange poultry or
wild caught cold water marine fish and one wants to bash back the
Omega 6 levels, supplemental fish body oil is called for.

If one cannot/will not feed naturally high Omega 3 meat and one will
not/cannot supplement with fish body oil and the dog shows no signs
that the lack is problematic, that's fine, too. It's a personal
choice. I think the alternatives are clear but I feed my dogs, not
anyone else's.
Chris O

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1c. Re: excessive shedding
Posted by: "shefy gupta" shefy7@yahoo.com shefy7
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 2:11 pm ((PST))

sorry about the messages :) sometimes i like to leave a passage or two since we usually don't read every message from the start of it...

i'll keep that up now though :)

hmm..i'd like to feed grassfed livestock...i know freerange poultry is already readily available in supermarkets and i feed that, and wild caught cold water marine fish...is that something that's just labelled at the store?

like an ethnic store?

thanks!

shefy and snowy






If one cannot/will not feed grassfed livestock, freerange poultry or
wild caught cold water marine fish and one wants to bash back the
Omega 6 levels, supplemental fish body oil is called for.

If one cannot/will not feed naturally high Omega 3 meat and one will
not/cannot supplement with fish body oil and the dog shows no signs
that the lack is problematic, that's fine, too. It's a personal
choice. I think the alternatives are clear but I feed my dogs, not
anyone else's.
Chris O

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2a. {Raw Feeding} Need to rethink my diet
Posted by: "Brandi Bryant" bbryant573@gmail.com bbryant573
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:37 am ((PST))

Ok - this past Saturday I bought all 4 of my dogs their own pork
shoulders. Come home, everbody loved it! Happy, full extremely - and
satisfied. But I think I gave them to much - my GS puppy (the one that
gorges herself and swallows whole and then has bad belches and gas) threw up
twice and it had dirt and grass in it. And then my other older GS male the
rescue took a big drink of water and then threw up part of his meal 3 times
within seconds of each other. Suggestions on what might have happened?

Another question when you guys plan your meals do you give chicken one day,
pork another day, beef another etc...or do you do chicken, pork, beef all in
one meal? The reason I'm asking is because I think I'm not putting enough
red meats in their diets - I was reading this from another posts and
started thinking about how I do it. Beef here is real expensive - so I
usually do just chicken, turkey and pork. I have a hunter friend that keeps
promising me a deer but I don't think he's either made the time or is
ignoring my request. And I really don't know any other hunters...not ones
that would give me anything anyway. :(

So, I may have to rethink how I'm feeding! Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance!

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Brandi
Bartlesville, Ok

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2b. Re: {Raw Feeding} Need to rethink my diet
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:06 am ((PST))

It could be because they had too much food at once. When I first
started giving my GSP mix big food he would eat until he threw up. I
think it just took him a little while to learn how much was too
much. After a couple of times he worked it out and he hasn't had any
problems for about six months. My newf mix has never had a problem
with knowing when to stop, so I guess it is a dog by dog thing.

> do you give chicken one day, pork another day, beef another
> etc...or do you do chicken, pork, beef all in one meal?

As long as your dogs are ok with the proteins you can feed all at
once if you like.

> So, I may have to rethink how I'm feeding! Any suggestions?

You haven't been feeding raw for too long, right? I think a lot of
us start out with less red meat than we would like, but it takes us a
while to source cheaper stuff and determine how we should feed it to
our dogs. For example, my dogs have no problems with meaty meals but
others do much better if there is at least *some* bone in the meal.
No need to rush, just keep working your way to something better.

Andrea

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2c. Re: {Raw Feeding} Need to rethink my diet
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:33 am ((PST))

>Suggestions on what might have happened?

Hi,Brandi.May I ask how long have you been feeding raw to them?

IF dogs were fed pork for the first time,i think meal was too much to handle.

When I feed something my dog has never ate before,I give small amount to old meat and gradually increase the new one to desired amount of the dog. I did not feed big meal for months until after more than 6 months.

I been feeding raw about 7 months now,and we just started feeding big meal once a day(but let her eat till about max 1lb(16oz) worth(she usually fed 10oz) by eyeballing and i pick up and refreeze for next time).

I do this because I do not want to upset tummy with sudden big meal. My plan is try to increase amount she is allowed to eat on big meal day and then,slowly feed and feed like other long timefeeder;feed till full. I do not think my dog cannot torelate if I let her eat full yet.

I try to do new thing slowly,one at a time for my dog.

>question when you guys plan your meals do you give chicken one day,pork another day, beef another etc...?

Well,I spent probably around 3-4 months just feeding new protin for a while and then move on to new one a while system. So,it was like 1st week,chicken,2nd week,chicken and chicken liver,3rd week,beef and chicken liver,4th week,beef and beef liver,5th week turkey and beef liver or chicken liver,6th week pork and chicken liver or beef liver etc etc

After introduced all protins i wish to feed(well,I stock up meats after decided what I like to feed first),I am feeding mix and match thing.

For example,today my dog gets lamb tongue,chicken tender,tripe,Turkey gizzard,canned salmon,and 1 chicken feet.

Tomorrow,she gets chicken liver,Mahi-Mahi,Egg,pork liver/kidney,Pork rib.

She gets red meat too.

On thanksgiving day,she gets big meal and Goat leg only.

This week,mainly lamb but some other meats get in so,mixed meal.

When I feed beef,I do mix too.
example be... Beef tongue,beef liver/kidney,goat rib one day andother time,Beef Heart chicken liver,tripe,Mutton with bone etc

If you just think about boneless Beef,it maybe costy but if you did look for Tongue(I got $3/lb) or Beef heart,it is another things you can add to yourdog meal with less cost than beef for roast etc.

Look for meat that iscloser to expire date andyou get cheaper and you may get score.

yassy

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2d. Re: {Raw Feeding} Need to rethink my diet
Posted by: "Brandi Bryant" bbryant573@gmail.com bbryant573
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 2:11 pm ((PST))

>>>Hi,Brandi.May I ask how long have you been feeding raw to them?<<<

I think I've had my dogs on the RAW diet since August? I THINK - so not
very long!

>>>IF dogs were fed pork for the first time,i think meal was too much to
handle<<<

They have had pork before but it had been a while since they have had a pork
shoulder.

And I agree with you that they weren't use to the sudden big meal when I had
been feeding smaller meals. I will remember this feed smaller meals and
work up to bigger meals. That does make sense....

Thank you for your suggestions!

Brandi
Bartlesville, OK

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3. Oregon sources for raw food.
Posted by: "Leanne" l_parker@sympatico.ca happyrawdawg
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:37 am ((PST))

Anybody in the Portland Oregon area who can help me source some raw
food? I live out East but my husband and our raw-fed Greyhound are
staying with family in BEAVERTON for 10 days at Xmas time. Can anyone
point me in the direction of any suppliers where we can get a small 10
day supply? Raw chicken bones (rib cages) would be great, or
prepackaged, meat/ veg combo would be easiest to store etc.

Any help would be much appreciated! Thanks,
Leanne

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4. {Raw Feeding} Probiotic
Posted by: "Brandi Bryant" bbryant573@gmail.com bbryant573
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:37 am ((PST))

I know this may sound strange and I'm comparing an equine to a canine but
with horses when giving antibodics you are killing their good bacteria and
have to give them their good bugs back - do you have to do this with dogs as
well? Max was on an antibodics for 2 full weeks, do I need to do anything
special for him?

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Bartlesville, Ok

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5a. Re: Tips on finicky eater?
Posted by: "rosey031801" rosey031801@sbcglobal.net rosey031801
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:37 am ((PST))

Searing is when you put a peice of meat in a hot skillet and just brown
the surface slightly. It brings out the flavor. Don't cook it just
brown one side. Another thing I did was make a "gravy" out of liver and
put it on top of raw meat. This only works if you dog likes the flavor
of cooked liver. Most do. I was dedicated to make it work. Good luck.
Cheryl

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5b. Re: Tips on finicky eater?
Posted by: "jenna" jennawing@charter.net jennawing
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:18 pm ((PST))

> Yeah, it's called dog training the human. And it's working!
> More dog training the human. She is GOOD!!! Also, YOU ARE EASY!!!
> She is playing you like a piano and you are rolling over and
> letting her.

Yes, thank you, Bill, for pointing out that my dog is making a fool
out of me. She does have serious issues with behavior, though we have
been working with her and she is much improved. She was very indulged
as a puppy, as her mother and brother were killed and Natalie herself
almost died from being poisoned. Following that were minor injuries,
bronchitis, digestive issues, so she was cajoled too much. We are
aware of it, I promise you. We don't call her Bratalie for nothing. I
do appreciate her individuality, she is a very playful and intelligent
dog, but we are working hard to make her mind more consistently.
Knowing Nattie is spoiled does not negate my concerns that this may
not work for her. However, I will try what you suggest. She did
finally take some food last night, chewed it, but would not swallow
it, so at least she is not acting afraid of it any more. She hasn't
had an actual meal in five days, though, just to put things in
perspective.

Thank you for all the information,
jenna

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6a. Bad meat??
Posted by: "trayc2244" BreeZ119@catt.com trayc2244
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:54 am ((PST))

Can raw fed dogs eat meat that has gone bad. I figured wild dogs eat
rancid meat all the time in the wild, so I was just wondering if it is
okay for domesticated dogs to eat bad meat.

Just wondering,
Tracy

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6b. Re: Bad meat??
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:10 am ((PST))

For the most part I'd say it's fine. If it has gone funky in an open
air container or buried in the back yard I have absolutely no problem
feeding it. If, on the other hand, it went bad while sealed in a
ziploc baggie or some other airtight container, I might not feed it.
In all likelyhood it wouldn't bother the dogs but the anerobic bacteria
give me the willies.

Andrea

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> Can raw fed dogs eat meat that has gone bad. I figured wild dogs eat
> rancid meat all the time in the wild, so I was just wondering if it
> is okay for domesticated dogs to eat bad meat.

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6c. Re: Bad meat??
Posted by: "Sonja" ladyver@sbcglobal.net lonepalm77
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:18 am ((PST))

Andrea,

Can you explain the difference between bacteria in a Ziploc and bacteria in an open air container? I use a ton of ziplocs to repackage and freeze the dog's food. Since I've been hearing that Ziplocs are pretty bad to store fresh meat in, I've been standing them up and leaving some of them unzipped. Would this help my case any?

Any explantion would be appreciated...thank you!

Sonja

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6d. Re: Bad meat??
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:25 pm ((PST))

Yes, the baggie itself isn't the problem, it's the fact that air can't
circulate. When meat is sitting around in the absence of air it allows
bacteria to grow that ordinarily wouldn't be there (the ones that don't
do well in the presence of air). Those anerobic bacteria aren't
necessarily the kind of bacteria that a dog's digestive system is used
to so they have a better chance of making the dog sick. Leaving the
baggies open fixes the issue just fine.

Andrea

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> Can you explain the difference between bacteria in a Ziploc and
bacteria in an open air container? I use a ton of ziplocs to repackage
and freeze the dog's food. Since I've been hearing that Ziplocs are
pretty bad to store fresh meat in, I've been standing them up and
leaving some of them unzipped. Would this help my case any?

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7a. Re: feeding salmon
Posted by: "Michael Moore" m-tak@sbcglobal.net annemoore2000
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:16 am ((PST))

>>I have found a place where I can purchase salmon filets with the bone
in for $1 a pound. There are 100lbs available that have been in a
freezer at below 0 for 2 years! Now the meat guy just wants to get it
out of his freezer<<

Ericka -- feed it! It's been frozen for two years and any parasites/flukes are dead. What a great find!! Your dogs are lucky..... salmon is my dogs' favorite fish!

-- Anne and the PWC and one goofy GSD rescue and a silly Golden rescue

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7b. Re: feeding salmon
Posted by: "Erika" Erika@redangelbordeaux.com redangelbordeaux
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:47 pm ((PST))

I picked up the salmon today, some of it is freezerburned but most is still ok for people to eat! I also happened to meet the fisherman when I was there and next time he goes fishing he will cut out the filets and sell me the remaining fish for $1 a lb.

So I am safe if I just freez it for 2 weeks first? Any specific temp?

Thanks guys!

Erika

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8a. Re: deer head
Posted by: "Michael Moore" m-tak@sbcglobal.net annemoore2000
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:17 am ((PST))

>>Yesterday a hunter friend shot a small doe, had it butchered and saved
the head and neck. Any reason I shouldn't hand it to my dog. <<

No reason at all! Head it to your dog; it'll be a blast to watch, BTW. A dog new to venison might have looser stools for a bit after venison, but perhaps not with a head as its introduction.

-- Anne and the PWC and one goofy GSD rescue and a silly Golden rescue

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9a. Re: Raw and Eclampsia
Posted by: "briargarden07" briargarden07@yahoo.com briargarden07
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:47 pm ((PST))

> I really need help now deciding what to do. I know there is a
calcium
> problem, but is this picky diet doing to make it worse? Do I let
her
> continue to be so picky over food (she is eating virtually no bone)
although
> she is willing to eat canned tuna and canned salmon so there is a
bit of
> fish bone. I can't wait her out without harming her health.

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As I'm sure you know, eclampsia is VERY serious. Life
threatening. She NEEDS two things. More bone than is usually
recommended & Vitamin D (cod liver oil). As of now, she is not
allowed to have a mostly meat or meat only meal. And one teaspoon of
cod liver oil daily so her body will be able to absorb as much of the
calcium as possible. Calcium w/o Vitamin D is useless. If possible,
get her outside in a sunny spot for at least a few minutes per day so
that all the Vit D, in turn, can be absorbed.
If she refuses to eat meaty bones, you have no other choice but
to temporarily pull her off raw, unless you are able to grind her
food. I helped assist in a litter of a raw fed bitch w/ eclampsia a
few years back. It was my mentor's bitch, and the eclampsia was so
bad, it showed symptoms a few days before this bitch delivered. The
treatment was a calcium shot from the Vet plus a cahnge of diet that
included kibble and ground up chicken wings.
Eclampsia is not as simple as the dog has a calcium deficiency.
Its hypocalcemia - dangerously low levels of calcium in the blood. It
will eventually lead to seizures & death if left untreated. Its also
called "Milk Fever" because pups who nurse from bitches with this
condition will become sickly and die.
The best milk replacer for the pups is a mix of evaporated milk,
boiling water to thin the mixture out for bottle feeding, 2 egg yolks
(no whites), and a few spoonfulls of yogurt. This can also be given
to the bitch. But don't depend on it to be anything more than a
supplement. The pups should not be back with the dam unless & until
the bitch is eating normally and producing ample milk. You can
potentially kill the entire litter if you give them back to her too
soon.

>>>>> I've gotten to the point that I feel
> like I can't trust anything the vet tells me. (she did an ultra
sound on
> Bella and told me there were 2 babies, possibly a third, but there
were
> actually 5 - one very tiny died a day after birth).

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Ultrasounds are not as accurate as x-rays, and even those are
not 100%. Normally, when it comes to nutrition, I don't trust my Vet.
But in this instance, you really need to do whatever your Vet tells
you to get her through this. You can mix canned food with kibble to
firm the texture of her diarrhea. And supplement with raw for the
time being. If this bitch won't eat, you do NOT bribe her with fish
or other foods she likes. She has to learn she must eat what you
place in front of her, and nothing else.
I really wish you luck with this situation, I know its not easy.
Please keep us posted on the outcome.

Noelle M.
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9b. Re: Raw and Eclampsia
Posted by: "Renate" renate.tideswell@gmail.com tideswell_renate
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 1:44 pm ((PST))

thank you, Noelle. My vet is going to call in a prescription for calcium at
a pharmacy (they couldn't find any vets with it in stock). They tested
Bella this afternoon (she got the iv calcium around midnight last night) and
at this point her blood calcium level is normal. The puppies are off her
for 24 hours, though I have to let her be with them or she just keeps
barking and barking, and barking. I feed them milk replacer and then let
her nap with them. The vet says that I need to continue supplementing them
with milk replacer until they are weaned. The feeding issue is the biggie.
I tried to feed her canned food. She gobbled it last night after the emerg
visit, but won't touch it today. I hand fed her a few chunks this morning
and she eats a couple, then spits the rest out. Same thing this afternoon.
She did eat a tiny pork bone with a bit of meat on it and a couple of hours
after she refused the canned food, I gave it again, and she refused so I
gave her the usual heart and kidney so at least she ate something. And
there is a bowl of her pre-raw diet kibble (Canidae) in her expen with her
and the pups, but it's not been touched. the vet suggested going and
buying a heap of different brands of canned food and rotating them to see if
that helps, so I'll do that tomorrow unless I can find some of those frozen
raw pattie things.

I appreciate your being very direct. It bothered me that the first reaction
my vet has is always to blame the diet, so I guess it's brought me to a
point where I just don't know what to think. Your response was very helpful
in setting my mind at ease that the approach she and I worked out is
probably the right one.
Thank you
Renate

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> As I'm sure you know, eclampsia is VERY serious. Life
> threatening. She NEEDS two things. More bone than is usually
> recommended & Vitamin D (cod liver oil). As of now, she is not
> allowed to have a mostly meat or meat only meal. And one teaspoon of
> cod liver oil daily so her body will be able to absorb as much of the
> calcium as possible.
>

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10a. kind of off topic
Posted by: "beaulah_2001us" beaulah_2001us@yahoo.com beaulah_2001us
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 1:03 pm ((PST))

This is a little off topic. I was wondering if anyone has crate trianed
their dogs to eat in the crate? If so how did you achieve this? I have
been trying with sophie to get her to eat in crate, she will a little
bit but doesnt eat much when she is in there. If there is a better way
to coral her to a specific area I would very much like to know how to do
that and what is needed. She is boxer and cant handle the cold as of
yet. She is only 3 months old.

How long can I leave raw food out of fridge for her? 1 hour or a little
longer?

Thanks for any help.

sandy

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10b. Re: kind of off topic
Posted by: "Sonja" ladyver@sbcglobal.net lonepalm77
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 1:44 pm ((PST))

I've always used meal time to help with crate training my dogs! But then again, I have food-crazy labs so it might be different with a breed that is less enthusiastic about food.

I didn't want the hassle of trying to get our new puppy to eat her raw food on a towel like our 3 yr old lab does while having to referee mealtime with two dogs. The solution was to feed the new pup in a crate. At first she wasn't really interested in eating the food, she was too concerned with being locked up. So after 30 minutes, we took the food away until the next meal. She was more comfortable eating with the crate door open, so we left it open but supervised so we could put her and her food back in if she tried to carry it out. After a few days we closed the crate door and she took a little longer to eat, but she ate. Just take baby steps and be patient. It sounds like Sophie is eating a little bit in the crate....praise her while she's eating! If petting distracts her from eating, then limit it to verbal praise. Play games with the crate...throw a favorite treat into the back of it and praise her when she gets it.

Sometimes training backfires, though.....our puppy was taught that her crate is HER place, and our older dog respects that. Last week the puppy figured out that she can steal toys from the older dog and run to her crate. Our older dog stands there whining at the open door, hoping the puppy will come out so she can get her toy back.

Sonja

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11a. salmon
Posted by: "beaulah_2001us" beaulah_2001us@yahoo.com beaulah_2001us
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 1:10 pm ((PST))

I thought salmon could kill dogs if they fed on it. If so I assume
there is something I dont know about feeding salmon to dogs. Can
someone please enlighten me?
Sandy

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12a. Re: Does anyone have greyhounds that they feed raw?
Posted by: "dawnt91" dawnmarie1968@tx.rr.com dawnt91
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 1:44 pm ((PST))

I have a rescued racing greyhound and he's doing spectacular on raw.
I got Dixon in August and he was pretty skinny even for a greyhound -
about 69/70 lbs. He's gained 5 lbs and looks great! His teeth were
yellow and now they're shiny white. Even his bald butt has regrown
hair. I think that's a direct result of the diet because he had
been retired for a year and living in a home when I got him and he was
still bald. Now he's all filled in and looks gorgeous.

Dixon is a great eater and will eat almost anything I give him. He
does turn up his nose at pork liver and pork spleen, but who can
really blame him?

Dawn

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> I have two rescued greyhounds that I would like to start feeding raw.
> Was just wondering if there are any other owners that have gone to
> this diet and how their dogs have done.
> Thanks
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13a. Re: How to tell if it is any good?
Posted by: "Dawn Crosier" dlcrosier@sbcglobal.net dlc110161
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 2:31 pm ((PST))

Maria -

Your father is right! If you could see what the family dogs ate when I was
growing up...
One of the remedies for a dog who killed chickens was to tie a dead chicken
to their neck. We shunned Pandora for nearly a month while the chicken
rotted off her neck. She then ate it, happy as ever. We never could get her
to stop chasing chickens. The big old black cat did teach her to leave the
kittens alone though, but that's another story.

Dawn

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