[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12296
There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1a. Re: salmon
From: costrowski75
2a. Re: excessive shedding
From: costrowski75
2b. Re: excessive shedding
From: Giselle
3a. Re: Trichinosis
From: costrowski75
3b. Re: Trichinosis
From: Jolene Nelson
3c. Re: Trichinosis
From: Casey Post
3d. Re: Trichinosis
From: saphiradane
4a. Re: Bad meat??
From: costrowski75
4b. Re: Bad meat??
From: skatedancer90
4c. Re: Bad meat??
From: Mallory Kwiatkowski
4d. Re: Bad meat??
From: Andrea
5a. Re: Suggestion for next protein, small dog
From: Giselle
6a. Re: Excessive panting
From: sltahoek9s
6b. Re: Excessive panting
From: Greta Hill
7a. NewBEEZ
From: dario
7b. Re: NewBEEZ
From: bluegracepwd
7c. Re: NewBEEZ
From: borodeauxs
8a. Can my dog eat like my reptiles?
From: Zelda Dinara
8b. Re: Can my dog eat like my reptiles?
From: Andrea
9a. Re: Intro- new member
From: Dina
10a. Re: {Raw Feeding} Probiotic
From: Brandi Bryant
11. First day nerves with GR puppy...
From: Eddie Scholten
12a. Re: How to tell if it is any good?
From: Maria
13a. Venison question
From: Suzanne J
13b. Re: Venison question
From: Andrea
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1a. Re: salmon
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:17 pm ((PST))
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "beaulah_2001us"
<beaulah_2001us@...> wrote:
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> I thought salmon could kill dogs if they fed on it. If so I assume
> there is something I dont know about feeding salmon to dogs. Can
> someone please enlighten me?
*****
With pleasure.
Farmed salmon is fine to feed, at least in regards to parasites.
There are issues with potential PCB accumulations and diminished
nutrition (think Purina Fish Chow) and similarly reduced Omega 3
fatty acids, but parasites are not an issue.
Wild salmon from northern Alaska (Bering Sea, Arctic Ocean) is the
best of the best and is lovely to feed.
Wild salmon from East Coast rivers and streams (asuming one can still
find them and chooses not to catch and release) are fine.
THE ONLY salmon with potentially fatal parasites is wild caught
salmon from the Pacific Northwest. This includes an area from
southern Alaska south to the mid-California coast, and east to the
Cascades. Salmonids (salmon, trout, steelhead) from this area should
be frozen solid for a week before feeding to dogs, wolves, coyotes
and foxes. The parasite is not dangerous to cats.
I think there's only one sweeping generalization we need to concern
ourselves with on this list. And that is raw is better than not raw.
Chris O
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2a. Re: excessive shedding
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:28 pm ((PST))
shefy gupta <shefy7@...> wrote:
> hmm..i'd like to feed grassfed livestock...
*****
Yes, that's a goal for many of us.
i know freerange poultry is already readily available in supermarkets
and i feed that,
*****
The poultry sold in supermarkets is labeled "organic" not freerange,
unless you are buying Diestel turkeys. The best supermarket chickens
can hope for is a dirt yard into which soy and corn are tossed. The
Omega 6/3 ratio is not altered by a soy and corn diet fed outside for
a few hours daily.
and wild caught cold water marine fish...is that something that's
just labelled at the store?
*****
Such fish would be salmon, mackerel, herring, anchovy, sardines.
These are the big winners. For the Omega 3 levels in these and other
fish and seafood, check out:
http://www.thepaleodiet.com/nutritional_tools/omega3.shtml
> like an ethnic store?
*****
Ethnic stores vary in the type of fish they offer. Most are not high
Omega 3 fish though some--like mackerel, baby bonita, sardines--are.
Chris O
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2b. Re: excessive shedding
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 1:20 am ((PST))
Hi, Roberta!
Happy Turkey Day, to you and Maxie, too!
Mmmm, the O6s are not needed, Maxie already gets enough from the meats he
eats.
It would be better if you fed just the O3s, imo, here are a few good
choices;
http://timberwolforganics.com/pet-omega-oils
http://www.icelandpure.com/salmon_oil.htm
http://www.grizzlypetproducts.com/salmon_oil/salmon_oil.html
TC
Giselle & Bea
>
> I give her 1 1200mg fish oil with omega3/omega6 by natures bounty a
> day, besides the fish oil it only has gelatin and glycerin.
>
> Thanks again for your help!
>
> Happy Thanksgiving from Roberta and Maxie!
>
>
>
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3a. Re: Trichinosis
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:49 pm ((PST))
Jolene Nelson <imperial_bloodlines@...> wrote:
>
>
> It looks like we've got an *almost* confirmed case of Trichinosis
here in Grand Cayman. The only thing the dog ingested which could
have carried it would have been some US imported pig ears.
*****
Looks like? "Almost"? Such words are are how absurd and
counterproductive rumors are started. How about just the facts,
ma'am?
> I posted on this dog a few months ago when symptoms started and to
date all tests have come back unremarkable.
*****
And how would that tie into trichinosis?
> > Now she's passed which appears to be a Trichinosis worm and
eggs.
*****
Appears? Accusations need much more than "appears". Are any health
officials involved in this guessing game? Or is this your evaluation
alone?
> Three weeks ago she developed paralysis and irregular heartbeat.
She could not eliminate on her own and is only now able to sit up
sometimes without assistance.
*****
And this relates how? The symptoms do not limit themselves to trich.
> IF this is Trichinosis I can't begin to think what this means for
those of us feeding raw. All the meat is frozen for import so I guess
that actually doesn't kill it!
*****
Oh, all this sort of thinking should be stuffed until you determine
what is actually wrong with the dog. And even if it is trich, you'll
also have to cough up some proof that it came from imported frozen
pork. You are jumping to conclusions. I don't know why you have
chosen to dump the blame on pork, but without substantiation I'm not
sure you have much of a case.
Let us know how your dog does; let us know the results of any
definitive testing you do.
Chris O
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3b. Re: Trichinosis
Posted by: "Jolene Nelson" imperial_bloodlines@yahoo.com imperial_bloodlines
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 4:30 am ((PST))
I say almost because at the moment there is nowhere that we can find that can do testing for trich. However we have tested for everything else possible; spinal tap and blood smears were inconclusive when tested for neuro muscular diseases, tick diseases, all parasitical and blood diseases, all bacterial and viral diseases. All tests have come back negative. These are the facts.
From what I understand from the vet, trich requires very specific testing and other tests done will not show anything if it is trich. Hence why I pointed out that all other tests were unremarkable. She has been given a treatment for trich at which time she passed worms segments and egg casings which physically resemble the trich worms (this is also when she began to sit up) again we are still waiting on somewhere that can confirm this through testing.
These are not my observations, she is not even my dog. She has been living at the vet for three weeks since she became paralyzed. I am very aware that her symptoms do not limit her to trich, again why I said that we already tested for everything else but thank you for your cynicism nonetheless Chris. However similar symptoms did include but are not limited to; loss of appetite, fever, muscle stiffness, chills, muscular and joint pain and later paralysis, irregular heartbeat and breathing issues, she is reluctant to open her mouth or move her tongue also, inability to self-eliminate. She also has a blood clot behind her eye and her white blood cell count is up.
If you notice I did say IF several times and I am not trying to dump blame anywhere. I WAS asking for HELP and not attitude. I was hoping someone would be able to suggest something which we may not have tested for which could give the same symptoms. I'm not eager for this to be trich.
We are trying to get a diagnosis but this dog has been symptomatic since August and to date we cannot get answers either way. If you would like to suggest another means by which she could have gotten it, again, IF this is trich, please do so. She is an inside dog and does not have contact with rats by the way.
Jo
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costrowski75 <Chriso75@AOL.COM> wrote:
Looks like? "Almost"? Such words are are how absurd and
counterproductive rumors are started. How about just the facts,
ma'am?
> IF this is Trichinosis I can't begin to think what this means for
those of us feeding raw. All the meat is frozen for import so I guess
that actually doesn't kill it!
*****
Oh, all this sort of thinking should be stuffed until you determine
what is actually wrong with the dog. And even if it is trich, you'll
also have to cough up some proof that it came from imported frozen
pork. You are jumping to conclusions. I don't know why you have
chosen to dump the blame on pork, but without substantiation I'm not
sure you have much of a case.
Let us know how your dog does; let us know the results of any
definitive testing you do.
Chris O
Jolene Nelson
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3c. Re: Trichinosis
Posted by: "Casey Post" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:25 am ((PST))
>However similar symptoms did include but are not limited to; loss of
>appetite, fever, muscle stiffness, chills, muscular and joint pain and
>later paralysis, irregular heartbeat and breathing issues, she is reluctant
>to open her mouth or move her tongue also, inability to self-eliminate. She
>also has a blood clot behind her eye and her white blood cell count is up.
Jolene, any idea if this dog was vaccinated for rabies in the last six
months?
Casey
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3d. Re: Trichinosis
Posted by: "saphiradane" saphiradane@yahoo.com saphiradane
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 6:32 am ((PST))
Hi Jolene, just throwing this out there but I seen a dog once with
most of these symptoms and was treated as having a severe rabies vacc
reaction. Symptoms started suddenly about 2 weeks after the vacc.
and the dog was treated quickly by a homeopatic vet. Also I had a dog
with some of these symptoms, suffering from toxic alge. We were at a
lake 2 days before. I know the symptoms u describe are general but,
just trying to help! Good Luck Felicia
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Jolene Nelson
<imperial_bloodlines@...> wrote:
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However similar symptoms did include but are not limited to; loss of
appetite, fever, muscle stiffness, chills, muscular and joint pain
and later paralysis, irregular heartbeat and breathing issues, she is
reluctant to open her mouth or move her tongue also, inability to
self-eliminate. She also has a blood clot behind her eye and her
white blood cell count is up.
>
> > Jolene Nelson
> I'm a proud Raw Bully owner!
> Imperial Bulldoggs
>
>
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See how.
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4a. Re: Bad meat??
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:55 pm ((PST))
"trayc2244" <BreeZ119@...> wrote:
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> Well the deal is that I had some deer meat that was frozen, but the
> freezer malfunctioned and some of the meat defrosted just a little
not
> all the way through, but it has a bad smell now. Would it be okay to
> still feed that to the dog??
*****
I expect so. I had a freezer go out on me this spring. Everything was
defrosted a LOT before I figured out what had happened. The venison
was still cold but entirely defrosted. I moved it to another freezer
and I am continuing to feed it. Mine smelled riper than it had when I
got it but it was never reprehensible and my dogs (and cats) are doing
fine on it.
Your dog though, your venision, your choice.
Chris O
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4b. Re: Bad meat??
Posted by: "skatedancer90" skatedancer90@yahoo.com skatedancer90
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 4:58 am ((PST))
--- >I know wild dogs eat meat that is bad but we are not around to
see how
they feel after, did they get sick, do some die, we just don't know.
So in our house if we won't eat it then I won't feed it to my dogs.
I'd rather loose a lot of money then take the chance of my babies
getting sick.
With bad meat you really don't know how they will handle it.
This is just my thoughts on how their tummies feel being my first
concern.
Sarah
> Can raw fed dogs eat meat that has gone bad. I figured wild dogs
eat
> rancid meat all the time in the wild, so I was just wondering if
it
is
> okay for domesticated dogs to eat bad meat.
>
> Just wondering,
> Tracy
>
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4c. Re: Bad meat??
Posted by: "Mallory Kwiatkowski" m_k_jesusfreak3@yahoo.com m_k_jesusfreak3
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:09 am ((PST))
yeah, we can't see those wild dogs, but a lot of people here have said that their dogs have eaten bad meat, and we ARE around to see how they feel, and most felt fine. No one is recommending anyone feed their dogs rancid meat, but if it's just a little too gamy for people, or in my case, has been in the freezer too long, or was partially thawed, i don't worry about it.
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4d. Re: Bad meat??
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 6:37 am ((PST))
Of course it would be fine. I'm not saying that anything that sits in
an airtight container for a long time should be tossed out or
anything. I just try to make a habit of keeping things in open air
containers instead of sealed baggies. Zip top bags still let some air
circulate, even if it is a tiny amount. I guess the only time I'd
really be concerned is if food in a vacuum sealed bag went bad and the
bag started to puff up.
Andrea
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "trayc2244" <BreeZ119@...> wrote:
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> Well the deal is that I had some deer meat that was frozen, but the
> freezer malfunctioned and some of the meat defrosted just a little
> not all the way through, but it has a bad smell now. Would it be
> okay to still feed that to the dog??
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5a. Re: Suggestion for next protein, small dog
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:41 pm ((PST))
Hi, Michelle!
What the cuts are called aren't as important as just
getting a variety of parts that have some edible bone for your little guy.
With the holidays here, turkey is on sale in all the stores now, and it
would be great to stock up on while its cheap. Not red meat, but a good next
choice. A pair of heavy kitchen shears would make them easier to cut into
serving sized pieces. He should get a lot of great chewing exercise from
nibbling the cartilage off the larger bones, and eating the smaller ones. He
should be able to get more than the approx.10% edible bone he needs that
way, even when you pick up the bones he can't manage and toss them out. He
should even be able to work effectively on the neck, with the heart or
gizzard tossed in to add meat to that meal.
These links are good for helping you to figure out where to make the cuts to
portion turkeys or chickens out for a smaller dog;
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http://www.recipetips.com/kitchen-tips/t-37-436/Cutting-Up-a-Whole-Turkey.asp
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http://tinyurl.com/26gkmv **
Pork is a great cheap meat; the bones may not be edible for your little guy,
but the meat can be cut into portions and added to the bony turkey or
chicken wings, backs, etc. to add edible bone. I don't recommend chop bones,
they are too sharp, imo. This is a nice chart to help you suss out what to
buy (cheap is always a great choice!) Fresh hams and shoulders are usually
the cheapest, ime.
http://www.virtualweberbullet.com/meatcharts_photos/porkcarcass.pdf
http://www.virtualweberbullet.com/meatcharts_photos/porkcuts.pdf
http://www.virtualweberbullet.com/meatcharts_photos/pork.pdf
Beef is usually too expensive for me to buy for my big girl, I usually end
up with ground beef that I add to pork neck bones, but you may be able to
find some beef that is affordable, since with your 10 lb dog, you wouldn't
need that much! Short ribs and brisket may be cuts that he could get some
edible bits from the bones, but for the most part, any boneless beef cut,
with turkey and chicken wings and backs added, again, would be good choices.
http://www.virtualweberbullet.com/meatcharts_photos/beef.pdf
Rabbit, if you can get some that are affordable for you, would also be a
lovely choice, with entirely edible bones. Lamb is pricey, but a very nice
red meat, and the ribs are very soft.
Have you seen The Lis List? Its a great compilation of ways to source
protein and organ variety for your dog;
*http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/139618*
*Post #139618*
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey
On Nov 19, 2007 10:52 AM, mmc2315 <m.chelap@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Hi everyone! We started with chicken quarters at the beginning of the
> month and things are
> going very well. Our little 10# Cairn terrier mix from the shelter is
> looking healthy and
> happy! Thanks for all the support.
>
> Tomorrow, we are going to venture down to the butcher's again and since
> it's been a little
> over 2 weeks on chicken, we are going to try another protein source.
>
> Can someone suggest some cuts of red meat as a next step for a small dog?
>
> I am woefully ignorant of meat cuts, I've realized. ;)
>
> Michelle
>
>
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6a. Re: Excessive panting
Posted by: "sltahoek9s" crazy4k9@aol.com sltahoek9s
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 12:20 am ((PST))
My lab is 13 months old. I would take her to the vet if the panting were consistent, but it
doesn't seem to be. Right now the heater is on and it's pretty warm in here (about 70
degrees) and she's comfortably asleep at my feet. No panting. I just wanted to know if I'm
giving too much food or should switch proteins or if this is all a part of her transitioning. I
don't allow any drinking after about 8:00 to help her make it through the night. Yet she still
seems to have to pee more at night or first thing in the morning. The problem is with my job
I travel a lot (dogs in tow) most of the day and usually get home fairly late. She usually gets
fed around 9:00 but sometimes its as late as 11:00. Then she goes out one last time around
midnight ( I always watch to be sure they go). My 4 year old GSD has had no bowel/urination
issues at all, but he's been on pork. Does that make a big difference? He does tend to vomit
bile on occasion with some bone bits in it.
She seems healthy overall. Attitude is great. Plenty of energy. I just didn't know if this was
connected to feeding too much, her being a little heavier or the protein type. I'm intending to
start branching out soon.
-Tammy C.-
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6b. Re: Excessive panting
Posted by: "Greta Hill" GretaHill@aol.com sunstate23
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 7:02 am ((PST))
just wanted to know if I'm giving too much food or should switch
proteins or if this is all a part of her transitioning >>
Panting is something that is seen often in new to raw dogs, if you do a
search I'm sure find posts with more information. I have one dog that
panted for a while after she was switched, but eventually stopped.
Greta
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7a. NewBEEZ
Posted by: "dario" nanterossi@yahoo.co.uk nanterossi
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 2:21 am ((PST))
Hello. Great Forum. Got a 3 month old Staffordshire Bull Terrier. I give a couple of chicken
wings for breakfast and some banana. around 2pm I give him a chicken carcass. For
dinner I give him one more wing and some table scraps (raw and some cooked like pasta
bits of raw veg, fruit). HE loves it and seems to do well on it. I try to get approx 10% of his
weight but he could eat more and more and more...
There is a minefield of info out there. Ive started off like this and it seems to work. Not
quite sure when to introduce a new protein source? Any views would be well appreciated.
Nante,
London
UK
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7b. Re: NewBEEZ
Posted by: "bluegracepwd" janea@tpg.com.au bluegracepwd
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 2:23 am ((PST))
Hi Nante,
welcome to the group. Here's my two cents worth:
ditch the banana, pasta, veg and fruit.
Focus on what a dog should eat, rather than what he will eat.
I would also try and feed something meatier than wings such as
chicken thighs. In my experience, it's pretty unusual for a pup to
overeat on a correct raw diet, so I would let him eat as much as he
feels he needs to, particularly since you're heading into winter.
If you have cheap access to mutton, I'd suggest that's another good
protein source.
with thanks,
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7c. Re: NewBEEZ
Posted by: "borodeauxs" Borodeauxs@googlemail.com borodeauxs
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:20 am ((PST))
Hello Nante and welcome to the group,..I have to agree about
ditching the veg & bannas as previously said feed what he should be
eating and not what he will eat,..We have been practising this diet
since we brought our new girl home at 8 weeks she is now 9 month old
and doing very well nice even growth no growth spurts,..instead of
the wings would buy a whole chicken and half it along the back
bone,..our dogs do not get table scraps(but must admit that each
sunday they get a sunday dinner make extra for them its the weekly
treat and they love it)..Regarding other protiens would stick with
chicken for a while as this is probably best for your pup till he is
use to the change,..I would add raw tripe if you can get hold of
it,..ours eat this every single day,.and can not really go over
board on the tripe,..as for feeding would not go off 10% of his body
weight,..would just feed 2 to 3 % of expected adult weight,..I
suggest these as We used this method and are really pleased with
developements and growth so far,..well sure others will be in to
guide you some more,..hope all goes well for you and your little pup
best wishes & thoughts Stephen www.Borodeauxs.com
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "dario" <nanterossi@...> wrote:
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> Hello. Great Forum. Got a 3 month old Staffordshire Bull Terrier.
I give a couple of chicken
> wings for breakfast and some banana. around 2pm I give him a
chicken carcass. For
> dinner I give him one more wing and some table scraps (raw and
some cooked like pasta
> bits of raw veg, fruit). HE loves it and seems to do well on it. I
try to get approx 10% of his
> weight but he could eat more and more and more...
> There is a minefield of info out there. Ive started off like this
and it seems to work. Not
> quite sure when to introduce a new protein source? Any views would
be well appreciated.
>
> Nante,
> London
> UK
>
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8a. Can my dog eat like my reptiles?
Posted by: "Zelda Dinara" tuatara13@yahoo.com tuatara13
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:27 am ((PST))
Hi, I'm new to this list. My name is Zelda. I just had a few questions...
Ok, first of all, here are my current pets:
You probably already know this, but the decimals indicate the sex of the animal.
For example, if I have 2.6 animals, I have 2 males and 6 females of that species. I'm not big on breeding, though, so I don't keep pairs.
0.1 peach throat monitor (Peach)
0.1 water monitor (Tsunami aka "Nami")
1.0 argus monitor (Psycho)
0.1 black tree monitor (Noir)
1.0 dumeril's monitor (Java)
0.1 chinese water dragon (Flora)
0.1 normal corn snake (Cornflakes)
1.0 hypo leopard gecko (Dexter)
1.0 normal bull snake (Sudoku)
0.1 axanthic ball python (Echo)
1.0 white lipped python (Snap)
0.1 emerald tree boa (Esmeralda)
0.1 leucistic bearded dragon (Lumina)
1.0 red-tailed boa (Rusty)
I do not feed any of these animals any commercial food whatsoever. I would like to use the same feeding program for a dog. I am preparing my home for a puppy. I don't know what breed I'll get yet, but I've always been especially fond of terriers because of their temperment. I like big dogs in small packages lol.
I raise my own feeder animals for my carnivorous and omnivorous reptiles.
Here are the things I raise:
Roaches
Crickets
Mealworms (I raise these to beetle stage before feeding them off)
Rats
Japanese Quail
Small Rabbits
Can I use any of these things for my puppy?
Keep in mind there are no pesticides to worry about, and the feeder animals will be fatted up prior to dinner time. Only bugs would be fed to the dog live, other prey is prekilled before feeding. Will this be a healthy diet?
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8b. Re: Can my dog eat like my reptiles?
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 6:43 am ((PST))
I don't know about the bugs as a regular food item, but the rabbits,
quail, and rats would be ok for a small dog. I would also suggest
you add some other proteins like beef and pork with what you already
have. My dogs would do handstands for a regular supply of rabbit.
Andrea
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Zelda Dinara <tuatara13@...> wrote:
> I raise my own feeder animals for my carnivorous and omnivorous
> reptiles. Here are the things I raise:
>
> Roaches
> Crickets
> Mealworms (I raise these to beetle stage before feeding them off)
> Rats
> Japanese Quail
> Small Rabbits
>
> Can I use any of these things for my puppy?
> Keep in mind there are no pesticides to worry about, and the
feeder animals will be fatted up prior to dinner time. Only bugs
would be fed to the dog live, other prey is prekilled before feeding.
Will this be a healthy diet?
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9a. Re: Intro- new member
Posted by: "Dina" dotdog99@comcast.net dmmelendez
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:33 am ((PST))
Hi Celia,
Great to see you here! You will get alot of info! Hope Seamus is
doing well--he should have all of his teeth by now, but some of the
back molars are still breaking through on Bleu, so I'm guessing the
same for Seamus (litter brothers). I'll be interested to see what
the group has to offer you for advice! Let me know if I can help!
With regards,
Dina
Pa
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "celiageorge77"
<celiageorge77@...> wrote:
>
> Hello All,
> I am new to the group. I have been feeding my wheaten terrier puppy
a raw diet since I got
> him (the breeder also fed raw before I got him). His health is
superb. Lots of energy, very
> pleasant, friendly disposition. Between meals, Seamus loves to chew
on nylabones and frozen
> carrots. I am curious to get your thoughts on helping with bad
breath. By no means do I
> expect to have a dog with wonderful breath. Seamus's is
particularly bad, especially right
> after he's woken from a nap. I suppose I would equate it to people
morning breath! ;) In any
> case, any suggestions are appreciated. I look forward to learning
more about the benefits of
> feeding raw and plan to dive into the archives to read up.
> Thanks,
> Celia and Seamus
>
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10a. Re: {Raw Feeding} Probiotic
Posted by: "Brandi Bryant" bbryant573@gmail.com bbryant573
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 6:32 am ((PST))
Ok, thank you! Just wanted to make sure!
On 11/19/07, carnesbill <carnesw@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com <rawfeeding%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "Brandi Bryant" <bbryant573@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > when giving antibodics you are killing their
> > good bacteria and
> > have to give them their good bugs back - do you have to do this
> > with dogs as well?
>
> No, they will grow back.
>
> Bill Carnes
> http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm
>
> Feeding Raw since October 2002
>
> "Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
> Dr. Tom Lonsdale
>
>
>
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Brandi
Bartlesville, Ok
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11. First day nerves with GR puppy...
Posted by: "Eddie Scholten" shirl-ed@hotmail.com shirley11964
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 7:02 am ((PST))
...hello everyone.
I've been reading this list and various other information for a few weeks now. We've been planning to feed our Golden Retriever puppy the raw way, but now we have him home from the breeder today (with lots of puppy and dog food supplied), and it's suddenly a nervous time to decide NOT to give him any of the 'processed' food we have been given for him.
Also, regarding vaccinations, I've read that raw fed dogs need little if any vet care (accidents aside), and I'm also nervous about NOT going down the vaccine route too.
Support and advice please!
Thanks in advance,
Shirley.
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12a. Re: How to tell if it is any good?
Posted by: "Maria" plava_93@yahoo.com plava_93
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 7:02 am ((PST))
Thank you! I know the dogs were going crazy when I was butchering it
so I know they will eat it but I just wanted to make sure that it
would be OK. I know about a month ago my cousins dog stopped eating
anything offered to her but she would vanish into the woods for hours
at a time and come back with a plump belly the only thing we could
think of was that she was eating a deer or something. It was
happening for two weeks but she was fine.
Maria
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "carnesbill" <carnesw@...> wrote:
> Feed it. "Good" is only meant for us sissy humans. Dogs can
handle
> it fine.
>
> Bill Carnes
> http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm
>
> Feeding Raw since October 2002
>
> "Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
> Dr. Tom Lonsdale
>
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13a. Venison question
Posted by: "Suzanne J" suzjoxx@yahoo.com suzjoxx
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 7:09 am ((PST))
I picked up a couple deer carcasses this weekend(free food!), and as I
was chopping the rib cages up, my dog was feasting. The carcass he was
eating from was a little gamey smelling. That night he had gas that
stunk up the whole house. He needed to go outside a few times in the
middle of the night, so I assume he had diarrhea. I could hear his
digestive system churning all night.
So do you think this was from a new meat being introduced, and eating
at least a pound of it (he's 80 pounds), or because the meat might be
bad?
I have a lot of deer bones and meat frozen and don't want it to go to
waste, but I want to make sure it's okay to keep feeding it to him and
my bichon.
Suzanne (One lab mix, a bichon on raw since '06, Bichon pup just
started on raw)
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13b. Re: Venison question
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 7:14 am ((PST))
> So do you think this was from a new meat being introduced, and eating
> at least a pound of it (he's 80 pounds), or because the meat might be
> bad?
It's just because it is a new meat. The first time my boys had lamb I
thought we were going to suffocate. It will get better as the dog gets
used to the food.
> I have a lot of deer bones and meat frozen and don't want it to go to
> waste, but I want to make sure it's okay to keep feeding it to him
> and my bichon.
It's fine. No, wait, you should send it to me right now and I'll
dispose of it safely. (=
Andrea
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