Feed Pets Raw Food: [rawfeeding] Digest Number 12300

There are 14 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Enough Variety?
From: h h

2. Fw: Fwd: The 7 Up's of Thanksgiving
From: Tracey Leaym

3a. Re: Feeding rabbits -- disappointing response!
From: Mallory Kwiatkowski
3b. Re: Feeding rabbits -- disappointing response!
From: carnesbill
3c. Re: Feeding rabbits -- disappointing response!
From: miensasis

4a. Re: Must Read
From: Sandee Lee
4b. Re: Must Read
From: carnesbill
4c. Re: Must Read
From: Sandee Lee
4d. Re: Must Read
From: Giselle

5a. 8 Week Old Puppy
From: tdifr62
5b. Re: 8 Week Old Puppy
From: Giselle

6a. Re: NewBEEZ
From: dario
6b. Re: NewBEEZ
From: Giselle

7. 1st Timer....Refused to eat it!! Confused!
From: lisakzuber

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1a. Enough Variety?
Posted by: "h h" deedeekinsisme@yahoo.com tarbedyh
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:51 pm ((PST))

My only concern is if he is getting enough
variety. His diet consists mainly of chicken hind quarters, a chicken
breast with bone in once a week, beef once a week and rabbit once every
week or two with a few ounces of beef liver just about every day

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Mainly chicken isn't enough variety. I know it's very easy to fall into the cheap chicken rut (especially if money is tight), but ideally you should be feeding chicken once a week instead of six days a week.

HEIDI MARIE
~with the woofs-Cheyenne and Lazy B~
~and the moggies-Minerva, Shasta, and Misty-Jo~

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2. Fw: Fwd: The 7 Up's of Thanksgiving
Posted by: "Tracey Leaym" onfireivu@yahoo.com onfireivu
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:51 pm ((PST))

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The 7 Ups!

1. Wake Up !!
Decide to have a good day.
'This is the day the Lord hath made;
let us rejoice and be glad in it.'
Psalms 118:24

2. Dress Up !!

The best way to dress up is to put on a smile.
A smile is an inexpensive way to improve your looks.
'The Lord does not look at the things man looks at.
Man looks at outward appearance,
but the Lord looks at the heart.'
I Samuel 16:7

3. Shut Up!!
Say nice things and learn to listen.
God gave us two ears and one mouth,
so He must have meant for us to do twice as much listening as talking.

'He who guards his lips guards his soul.'
Proverbs 13:3

4. Stand Up!!

.. . . for what you believe in.
Stand for something or you will fall for anything.
'Let us not be weary in doing good; for at the proper time,
we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.
Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good...'
Galatians 6:9-10

5. Look Up !!

.. . . to the Lord.
'I can do everything through Christ who strengthens me'.
Philippians 4:13

6. Reach Up !!
.. . . for something higher.
'Trust in the Lord with all your heart,
and lean not unto your own understanding.
In all your ways, acknowledge Him, and He will direct your path.'
Proverbs 3:5-6

7. Lift Up !!
.. . . your Prayers.
'Do not worry about anything; instead
PRAY ABOUT EVERYTHING.'
Philippians 4:6

A POSITIVE THOUGHT
If God had a refrigerator, your picture would be on it.
If He had a wallet, your photo would be in it.
He sends you flowers every spring, and a sunrise every morning.
Whenever you want to talk, He'll listen.
He could live anywhere in the universe, and He chose your heart.
What about the Christmas gift He sent you in Bethlehem;
not to mention that Friday at Calvary.
Face it, He's crazy about you.

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The 7 Ups!

1. Wake Up !!
Decide to have a good day.
'This is the day the Lord hath made;
let us rejoice and be glad in it.'
Psalms 118:24

2. Dress Up !!

3. Shut Up!!
Say nice things and learn to listen.
God gave us two ears and one mouth,
so He must have meant for us to do twice as much listening as talking.

'He who guards his lips guards his soul.'
Proverbs 13:3

4. Stand Up!!

5. Look Up !!

.. . . to the Lord.
'I can do everything through Christ who strengthens me'.
Philippians 4:13

7. Lift Up !!
.. . . your Prayers.
'Do not worry about anything; instead
PRAY ABOUT EVERYTHING.'
Philippians 4:6

Invite people here that you care about.
I thought this was mighty special, just like you.
Pass this on and brighten someone's day, and remember . .

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3a. Re: Feeding rabbits -- disappointing response!
Posted by: "Mallory Kwiatkowski" m_k_jesusfreak3@yahoo.com m_k_jesusfreak3
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:52 pm ((PST))

about feeding rabbits....I have no problem that some people eat them, and i realize that it is natural prey for a dog, but i am active in bunny rescue, and have fostered for the house rabbit society. I have 2 bunnies now.Soon, they will be living at the preschool i teach at, because i am fostering a litter of pups, and i just don't have the room in my house.
Because of all this, i am reluctant o feed rabbits. I really want to, i know they would love it, i just don't know if that would be, like really wrong. Would i never be able to have bunnies again if i feed them rabbits?
None of my friends feed raw, so i am having a hard enough time explaining to them that feeding my dogs chicken won't make them killers, but would this be pushing it?
What do you do if you have bunnies and love them, but want to feed rabbits to your dogs?
mallory

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3b. Re: Feeding rabbits -- disappointing response!
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 10:46 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Mallory Kwiatkowski
<m_k_jesusfreak3@...> wrote:
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> What do you do if you have bunnies and love them, but want to
> feed rabbits to your dogs?

Rabbit is not a necessary part of the diet. If you don't feel right
feeding them then don't. Whether or not you feed rabbits to the
dogs will have nothing to do with whether or not your dos will go
after the rabbits. Most dogs will chase rabbits if the rabbit is
running away regardless of his diet. I have known of kibble fed
dogs that ate the pet rabbits. I have known of raw fed dogs that
never bother pet rabbits even if they are fed rabbit in the diet.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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3c. Re: Feeding rabbits -- disappointing response!
Posted by: "miensasis" kpmnlm@patmedia.net miensasis
Date: Wed Nov 21, 2007 1:06 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Mallory Kwiatkowski
<m_k_jesusfreak3@...> wrote:
>
> about feeding rabbits....I have no problem that some people eat
them...(but) i am reluctant o feed rabbits. I really want to, i know
they would love it...Would i never be able to have bunnies again if i
feed them rabbits?

Mallory...

I struggled with feeding the rabbits as well. I have always owned
small animals like bunnies, guinea pigs, etc... as pets. I had to
work up to feeding rabbits....they were in the freezer for several
weeks. Funny thing is that once I got past the initial mental
weirdness of thinking it was once a furry bunny, it became like
chicken to me. It definitely helped that there was no head and it
was skinned. Also, the stomach and intestines were removed from the
belly...just the heart, kidneys and liver were still intact.

As for feeding bunnies and your ability to keep them as pets....your
dogs will likely not associate the rabbit you feed with the bunnies
you keep as pets if they haven't historically done so. This has to
do more with prey drive, than what is fed at mealtime.

Nancy

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4a. Re: Must Read
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 10:33 pm ((PST))

Well, the diet she describes is high in bone and not what would be
recommended on this list. The normal prey animal would be more like 80%
meat...I don't see that in the diet she describes. Regardless, no one feeds
the same thing every day, week or month and balance is over time. I
wouldn't put too much stock in her analysis.

But, more importantly, what exactly are you feeding? Are you following the
prey model of 80% meat, 10% bone, 10% organs?
It's hard to tell from your description, but it sounds like you are lacking
in meat content. And you should be feeding whole foods rather than ground
meat, dump the veggies and supplements other than possibly the salmon oil.
Add some pork roasts, beef briskets and heart, some nice fatty fish (like
salmon), whole turkeys or chickens rather than bony wings, whatever other
red meat you have available in your area.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "logbreath2000" <elisabethlasser@sbcglobal.net>

BUT: he eats dirt and grass and other animal poop-which (poop) he hasn't
done since he
was a puppy.
Now he has eye discharge - eye infection????
He is a young dog - coming up to two and a half years old.
Seems to me he's lacking in some nutrition - which?
I feed whatever he will eat: beef: grounf and ribs, lamb necks, ground
turkey, turkey
wings, liver, kidney all in small amounts, raw eggs with shell
I even give him veggie mush, Salmon oil, Vitamin E, Probiotics, Enzymes

http://www.dogs-training.net/articles/dog-food/Dogs-Can-Look-Good-An-A-Bad-
Diet.html

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4b. Re: Must Read
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 10:45 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "logbreath2000"
<elisabethlasser@...> wrote:
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> We've had diarhea and throwing up, he has refused to eat
> certain meats ......

Not real unusual for a newly switched dog.

> I've spend a great deal of money so far -the dog looks good on
> the raw diet, but he looked
> good on kibble too- except he got every infection going, which
> was the reason I switched to raw.....

As time goes on you wlil learn how to buy raw products. It will get
a lot cheaper down the road. I feed 2 Great Danes and 2 cats on
about $60 to $70/mo.

> BUT: he eats dirt and grass and other animal poop-which (poop)
> he hasn't done since he was a puppy.

He's a dog. He's gonna do that some. Cut out the veggies and
supplements and he will probably stop eating his own poop. My dogs
mostly eat deer and rabbit poop but not thier own.

> Now he has eye discharge - eye infection????

Well before the raw diet he caught every infection that came along.
He has only been on raw a couple of months. Give it a chance. It's
not a miracle cure for every known disease or infection. I'm sure
the infections, illnesses will decrease as time goes on.

> He is a young dog - coming up to two and a half years old.
> Seems to me he's lacking in some nutrition - which?
> I feed whatever he will eat: beef: grounf and ribs, lamb
> necks, ground turkey, turkey
> wings, liver, kidney all in small amounts, raw eggs with shell
> I even give him veggie mush, Salmon oil, Vitamin E,
> Probiotics, Enzymes

He's not lacking anything. Drop the veggie mush, vitamin E,
Probiotics and Enzymes. He doesn't need any of them. He is a
carnivore ... he has no need for veggies. He has plenty of vitamins
in his diet and he produces his own probiotics and Enzymes. No need
to add more of either.

You might add chicken to the diet as it is usually very cheap. You
were complaining about costs. Adding chicken will help lower
costs. I would suggest adding Beef heart as it is high in
nutritional value also. I wouldn't grind the food either. The dog
has a great grinder build in.

> http://www.dogs-training.net/articles/dog-food/Dogs-Can-Look-Good-
An-A-Bad-
> Diet.html

Always be wary of information you are given by someone who stands to
make money off decisions based on that information. That web page
sells dog food. Of course they are going to tell you nothing except
their food is good for any dog no matter what.

You are a little on the impatient side. You want instant results
and that rarely happens with diets. Be patient and continue what
you are doing. You will see results soon.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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4c. Re: Must Read
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:11 pm ((PST))

She also offers a nutritional consultation for $250.00 ($300 for a puppy) or
a diet analysis for $100!

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "carnesbill" <carnesw@bellsouth.net>

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4d. Re: Must Read
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Wed Nov 21, 2007 12:31 am ((PST))

Hi, Elisabeth!
Looking good is relative, many people can't believe how
healthy and handsome their dogs are after a few weeks or months of feeding
raw successfully. Not to mention their sweet breath. ; )

Have you been posting here for help during the last two months? Reading the
files and links and archived messages? There's a plethora of information on
this list and many experienced raw feeders quite willing to offer support
and advice.

But, if you don't subscribe to our basic tenets - feeding a species
appropriate raw whole prey model diet, with no unnecessary supps or
additives, adjusting and tweaking as needed for each individual dog, then
all our advice would be for nothing.

"From The Merck Veterinary Manual: "The carbohydrates added to pet foods are
mainly in the form of polysaccharides (starch and cellulose),
disaccharides (sucrose and lactose), and monosaccharides (glucose and
fructose). Carbohydrates are a less expensive source of energy than
fat or protein. In dogs, there appears to be **no dietary requirement
for carbohydrate**."
Are you paying the woman on the link you posted, as an "expert", to tell you
that you need to feed ground meat and bones, bony parts, veggies, and a
bunch of supps? She seems adept at marketing her business, but ascribes to
the "kitchen sink' method for nutrition, dog training advice, etc.

If you are paying her a consulting fee, and buying supps from her, no wonder
you find it expensive to feed 'raw'!
I'll give you my advice for free! ^_^

I'd recommend that you start over; no supps, no veg, no meat or organ
variety, no eggs.
Buy some whole chickens. Unenhanced - no injected salt solutions or
flavorings or seasonings added, these can cause diarrhea, vomiting, itching,
and increased urination in some dogs.
Feed 2-3% of his IDEAL adult body weight a day. Google can calculate that
for you.
Cut the chickens into appropriate sized portions and divide the daily amount
into 2 meals.
Feed the gizzards and hearts with the bony parts. If your dog is small and
isn't liable to swallow it whole, add the neck in with part of a breast for
a meal. Otherwise, don't bother to feed it.
Hold the liver for now, freeze it.
Feed this way for a week.
Trim visible fat, if you get loose stools, and maybe some skin, too.
Gradually trim less and less.
When you have no loose stools for a week, then add a bit of liver to a daily
meal, the size of a pencil eraser for a week.
When you have no loose stools for a week, start adding bits of ONE other
protein, pork roasts or beef heart or turkey, whatever.
Gradually increase the bits of the new protein, while decreasing the amounts
of the chicken. Cut the meat from the chicken bones and feed the soft bones
with the new protein meat.
Continue this way, only moving on to adding a new protein when your dog
tells you he is ready.
Go back to feeding chicken, or the last protein he was OK on, if you have a
digestive upset, and move on again only when your dog is OK with it.
GO SLOW, add a bit of kidney or spleen or sweetbread to a meal a few times a
week after your dog is accustomed to several proteins and is having no
upsets. Less is more.

If your dog has vomiting or very loose stools now, I'd fast him first for a
day. Offer plenty of low sodium low fat broth, with some Slippery Elm Bark
Powder whisked in. A tsp per 8-10 ounces should be fine.
Then next day, start with small chicken breast meals.

Here's some links to helpful websites and archived messages, in case you've
missed them;

*http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/141374 *

*post # 141374*

http://www.virtualweberbullet.com/meatcharts.html

*
http://www.recipetips.com/kitchen-tips/t-37-436/Cutting-Up-a-Whole-Turkey.asp
*
*http://tinyurl.com/389ogz
*

http://www.rawlearning.com/rawfaq.html

http://www.rawlearning.com/supplementmyths.html

http://www.rawfed.com/myths/index.html

http://rawfeddogs.net/Recipes

http://rawfeddogs.net/FAQlist

*http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/130758 *

*Message #130758*

*http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/134336 *

*Message #134336*
HTH
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

On Nov 21, 2007 12:17 AM, logbreath2000 <elisabethlasser@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

> I've been feeding my dog raw for 2 month now - it hasn't been 'plain
> sailing' all the way so
> far.
> We've had diarrhea and throwing up
>

> <snip>
> I feed whatever he will eat: beef: ground and ribs, lamb necks, ground
> turkey, turkey
> wings, liver, kidney all in small amounts, raw eggs with shell
> I even give him veggie mush, Salmon oil, Vitamin E, Probiotics, Enzymes
>
>
> http://www.dogs-training.net/articles/dog-food/Dogs-Can-Look-Good-An-A-Bad-
> Diet.html
>
> Please reply
> Elisabeth
>
>

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5a. 8 Week Old Puppy
Posted by: "tdifr62" tdifraia@comcast.net tdifr62
Date: Wed Nov 21, 2007 1:06 am ((PST))

Hi I am going to be bringing home my new 8 week old OEM puppy. He has
been weaned on kibble and I will be switching him over to raw. I
currently have a 1 yr old OEM who has been on raw since I brought him
home at 12 weeks, so I have some experience with raw and have been
reading this list as well as a few books on raw for the past year.
My questions are:
1. Should I start him with just Bone in-Chicken Breast, or can he
start right out with the recommended 80-10-10 ratio of meat to organ
to bone?
2. How soon can I begin to introduce different types of foods ie..
beef, pork, turkey, fish and lamb?
3. Which method is best a slow introduction while cutting back on the
kibble, or cold turkey switching?
Thanks for all the help!
Tommy D.

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5b. Re: 8 Week Old Puppy
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Wed Nov 21, 2007 3:33 am ((PST))

Hi, Tommy!
Congratulations on the new pup!

Hi I am going to be bringing home my new 8 week old OEM puppy. He has
> been weaned on kibble and I will be switching him over to raw. I
> currently have a 1 yr old OEM who has been on raw since I brought him
> home at 12 weeks, so I have some experience with raw and have been
> reading this list as well as a few books on raw for the past year.
> My questions are:
> 1. Should I start him with just Bone in-Chicken Breast, or can he
> start right out with the recommended 80-10-10 ratio of meat to organ
> to bone?
> **** Bone in chicken breast is a great way to start a pup off for the
> first few meals. You can then move on to the rest of the chicken parts. ****
>

> 2. How soon can I begin to introduce different types of foods ie..
> beef, pork, turkey, fish and lamb?
> **** After feeding through a few chickens with no problems, you can start
> adding bits and hunks of a new protein every few days. Add a bit more of
> each new protein to the chicken gradually. Hold off on the organs for
> awhile, maybe several weeks, then add dribs and drabs of organs to regular
> meals, watching to see how the pup's digestion responds. If you get
> digestive upset, retreat to just chicken until the stools normalize. ****
>

> 3. Which method is best a slow introduction while cutting back on the
> kibble, or cold turkey switching?
>

> **** Cold turkey, man! ^_^ Ditch that kibble! ****
>

> Thanks for all the help!
> Tommy D.
>

> **** YQW! TC Giselle with Bea in New Jersey ****
>

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6a. Re: NewBEEZ
Posted by: "dario" nanterossi@yahoo.co.uk nanterossi
Date: Wed Nov 21, 2007 1:06 am ((PST))

Thanks for you replys.
Will try the drumsticks, half chicken and all.

leave a few more querys...
Little pupp eats all the food no prob. His poop is in bits, hard and not that much. Should
he eating more meat?

One other thing is over the last week Ive noticed his eyes are a bit blood shot. Not sure if
its stress. Could this be to do with change of diet?

Nante

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6b. Re: NewBEEZ
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Wed Nov 21, 2007 3:56 am ((PST))

Hi, Nante!
Lots more meat will soften his poops.

Raw meat and bone is much more bioavailable than Doom Nuggets (*tm Carrie)
and so there is more of it utilized by the pup for growing and much less
waste to come out.

A diet much higher in bone content than 10-15% can cause harder, drier,
whitish, and crumbly poops.

Constipation could cause your pup to strain to poop and so possibly his eyes
could become bloodshot.

'Normal' poops on a raw diet vary with what is fed, chicken causes light
yellowish stool, boneless or fatty meatymeat meals makes for softer, looser,
maybe even runny poops, black tarry poops come from meals high in organs or
heart. None of this wrong, but is reflective of what is fed.

Try for 80% meatymeat - muscle, skin, fat, fur, feathers, connective tissue.
For practical purposes, meatymeat also includes heart, gizzards, tongue,
tripe.

10% EDIBLE bone - if the pup can't crunch it up and digest it, or
shouldn't, then it don't count.

10% organs - 3-5% liver and 5-7% 'other' - kidney, spleen, sweetbreads, etc.

You shouldn't worry about balancing each meal perfectly, but over weeks and
months this is what you want to shoot for.
This list supports and promotes a species appropriate raw whole prey model
diet, you should spend some time reading the files and recommended links and
websites and archived messages, there's lots of great advice there for you
already, you just have to search it out, or ask!

TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

On Nov 21, 2007 3:06 AM, dario <nanterossi@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Thanks for you replies.
> Will try the drumsticks, half chicken and all.
>
> leave a few more queries...
> Little pup eats all the food no prob. His poop is in bits, hard and not
> that much. Should
> he eating more meat?
>
> One other thing is over the last week Ive noticed his eyes are a bit blood
> shot. Not sure if
> its stress. Could this be to do with change of diet?
>
> Nante
>
>

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7. 1st Timer....Refused to eat it!! Confused!
Posted by: "lisakzuber" lisakzuber@yahoo.com lisakzuber
Date: Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:20 am ((PST))

I gave my dog a small game hen yesterday. He was excited because he
knew I was giving him food. He picked it up very gently and licked it
a couple of times. He then moved it to different places 2 or 3 times
licked it a couple more times and then was done with it. When he moved
it he was very gentle with it, very careful not to bite it. He acted
as if it was his friend and he didn't want to hurt it. The only other
raw meat he has ever had is ground beef. He loves that so I thought he
would like this. I cut it in half thinking it was to big for him to
figure out what to do with it. Also I thought if he got a taste of the
inside it would trigger something in him. He is older (6 yrs) I am
wondering is it just too late to try and switch him to something he
has never had before??? That is sooo different from what he is used
to. Has anyone else had this problem? Are there any tricks to getting
him to eat it? I placed an order yesterday for a TON of raw meat and I
am thinking I should cancel it. Help!

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Wednesday, November 21, 2007

[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12300

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