[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12301

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: 1st Timer....Refused to eat it!! Confused!
From: Giselle
1b. Re: 1st Timer....Refused to eat it!! Confused!
From: Shirley
1c. Re: 1st Timer....Refused to eat it!! Confused!
From: Patty Linden
1d. Re: 1st Timer....Refused to eat it!! Confused!
From: Sandee Lee
1e. Re: 1st Timer....Refused to eat it!! Confused!
From: Michael Moore

2a. Re: Trichinosis
From: Kathie Middlemiss

3a. Enough Variety?
From: mrbob02140
3b. Enough Variety?
From: carnesbill
3c. Re: Enough Variety?
From: MORGAN LEWIS
3d. Re: Enough Variety?
From: Tina Berry
3e. Enough Variety?
From: mrbob02140

4a. Re: Heartburn (?)
From: Marguerite

5a. Best of Yahoo Groups
From: mrbob02140
5b. Re: Best of Yahoo Groups
From: Patty Linden

6a. Re: NewBEEZ
From: dario

7a. how/what to feed nursing mom
From: nikkisevy@aol.com
7b. Re: how/what to feed nursing mom
From: Tina Berry
7c. Re: how/what to feed nursing mom
From: Felicia Kost

8a. Re: 8 Week Old Puppy
From: Tina Berry
8b. Re: 8 Week Old Puppy
From: merril Woolf

9a. TREATS for a new raw puppy
From: jaygaughan
9b. Re: TREATS for a new raw puppy
From: Tina Berry
9c. Re: TREATS for a new raw puppy
From: Dawn Crosier

10a. anyone feeding raccoon? any problems or reasons not to?
From: sktnurse
10b. Re: anyone feeding raccoon? any problems or reasons not to?
From: chandler_baby

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1a. Re: 1st Timer....Refused to eat it!! Confused!
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:36 am ((PST))

Hi, uh Lisa, is it?
Sounds like you boy wasn't sure if he was given
food, a toy or something to take care of! ^_^ Its a common enough occurrence
with new-to-raw dogs.

There's a few things you can do to help him understand that its *really*
food, and its *really* his to eat. ; )

Getting out of the mindset that 'dogs must be fed in a dog dish' can help
your dog to learn to eat raw. Feed him in his regular eating place, if this
is a really happy and comfortable place for him, a place where he doesn't
feel he has to guard his food from house mates or have an audience. Put an
old towel, blanket or rug down in that spot and put the food on it.
Essentially giving him 'permission' to eat 'out of the box', can help him
learn that engaging with this new shape of food is OK.

Rolling his new foods in ground tripe can help. Its really stinky, but thats
why dogs love it!

*http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/134336

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*Message #130758*
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Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

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On Nov 21, 2007 8:17 AM, lisakzuber <lisakzuber@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I gave my dog a small game hen yesterday. He was excited because he
> knew I was giving him food. He picked it up very gently and licked it
> a couple of times. He then moved it to different places 2 or 3 times
> licked it a couple more times and then was done with it.
>

> <snip.
>

> Are there any tricks to getting
> him to eat it? I placed an order yesterday for a TON of raw meat and I
> am thinking I should cancel it. Help!
>
>
>

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1b. Re: 1st Timer....Refused to eat it!! Confused!
Posted by: "Shirley" ssthunderpony@yahoo.com ssthunderpony
Date: Wed Nov 21, 2007 8:11 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "lisakzuber" <lisakzuber@...> wrote:
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Are there any tricks to getting
> him to eat it? I placed an order yesterday for a TON of raw meat and
I
> am thinking I should cancel it. Help!
>
########### lisa, , After 15 minutes take it up and save in the
refrigerator for the next meal. Missing meals is not harmful and no
dog has ever starved to death with a hunk o chicken in front of him.

Also do not fuss and talk to him while he is eating/figuring it out .
Stay a distance that still allows you to monitor his eating.

You did OK cutting it open but that is all you need to do for the
first time , just be quiet and watch or else your dog will be
training you to be his servant instead of his pack leader. You toss
food and he eats it. That is all !

Remember to stick to one protein source for the first week or 2 .

Good Luck,
Shirley & The Kitchen Wolves

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1c. Re: 1st Timer....Refused to eat it!! Confused!
Posted by: "Patty Linden" pattykat3@yahoo.com pattykat3
Date: Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:03 am ((PST))

lisakzuber <lisakzuber@yahoo.com> wrote: I gave my dog a small game hen yesterday. He was excited because he
knew I was giving him food. He picked it up very gently and licked it
a couple of times. He then moved it to different places 2 or 3 times
licked it a couple more times and then was done with it.

Hi Lisa,
My dog, Mica, and I are also new to this. He's been eating raw for about 2 months now, and started out very much like you describe your dog. Eventually, I began rubbing a tiny bit of nutritional yeast on his food (a whole game hen), and this really seemed to do the trick! He licked it for a long time, then began tearing off pieces of meat. I don't know how big your dog is, but mine is a 13# pomeranian, and it takes him about 4 days to finish off a game hen. I've read where some on this list recommended sprinkling a little Parmesan cheese to get them started. He just needs something to entice him into eating. My little Mica now doesn't need anything sprinkled on the meat to get him started. Hope this might help--
:-) Patty

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1d. Re: 1st Timer....Refused to eat it!! Confused!
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:49 am ((PST))

It's never too late...don't cancel that meat order!! :))

You can try warming up the food (in a baggie in warm water), slicing into it
in a few spots to give him a starting place and "release" the odor a bit,
sprinkle with Parmesan smashing some down into the slices.

Raw chicken is quite bland compared to kibble so sometimes it just needs to
be spiced up a bit. Also, if you still have kibble in your house, get it
out of there. The smell is powerful and some dogs will hold out hoping for
you to give in and feed it!

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "lisakzuber" <lisakzuber@yahoo.com>

I cut it in half thinking it was to big for him to
figure out what to do with it. Also I thought if he got a taste of the
inside it would trigger something in him. He is older (6 yrs) I am
wondering is it just too late to try and switch him to something he
has never had before??? That is sooo different from what he is used
to. Has anyone else had this problem? Are there any tricks to getting
him to eat it? I placed an order yesterday for a TON of raw meat and I
am thinking I should cancel it. Help!

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1e. Re: 1st Timer....Refused to eat it!! Confused!
Posted by: "Michael Moore" m-tak@sbcglobal.net annemoore2000
Date: Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:42 am ((PST))

>> I cut it in half thinking it was to big for him to figure out what to do with it. Also I thought if he got a taste of the inside it would trigger something in him. He is older (6 yrs) I am wondering is it just too late to try and switch him to something he has never had before??? That is sooo different from what he is used
to. Has anyone else had this problem? <<

When I switched to rawfeeding over 6 yrs. ago, one of my Corgis was 6 and one was 8; they switched with no problem, but some dogs just don't "get" it right away. My 8 yr. old Corgi was, thankfully, convinced that I'd finally gotten it right and was feeding him real food for the first time.
But, there are *lots* of tricks you can try -- very lightly searing the meat for just a few seconds to enhance the smell, for example. Raw meat is very bland compared to kibble (which has grease/additives sprayed on for flavor). You can also "ribbon" the meat so your dog has something to grab onto. You can sprinkle a little parmesean cheese or garlic onto it. This is discussed often, so try searching the archives for this subject.
Keep offering the food -- you can try various things, but remember this -- a healthy dog won't starve itself to death in the presence of food. Your dog will figure it out, and will be so much healthier and happier when all is said and done.

-- Anne and the PWC and one goofy GSD rescue and a silly Golden rescue

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2a. Re: Trichinosis
Posted by: "Kathie Middlemiss" geekgirl717@gmail.com katjermid
Date: Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:55 am ((PST))

Jo:

I really hope that you find out what is wrong with this dog and get
things sorted.

On the comment about an indoor dog and rats, I just wanted to offer that
simply because the dog is kept inside does not mean they do not have
access to rats.

I say this because *my* dogs brought me a rat this morning. They are
doing sewer work four neighborhoods over and apparently disturbed a
rather large colony of rats. People are having them come up through
drains in their houses. While it may not be typical for an indoor dog
to come in contact with rats/eat rats, it is possible. (I have put
cinderblocks over the drains in my basement sink as that is how we
believe they came up in my house.)

And just in time for the holiday here too. Ugh!

Good luck with the pup and please let us know how she makes out.

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3a. Enough Variety?
Posted by: "mrbob02140" bob_roth@comcast.net mrbob02140
Date: Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:55 am ((PST))

Mainly chicken isn't enough variety. I know it's very easy to fall
into the cheap chicken rut (especially if money is tight), but
ideally you should be feeding chicken once a week instead of six days
a week.
>
OMG! I'm stunned and bummed! I want to do this right, but money is
tight. The chicken ranges from $.79/lb for the hind qtrs to $.99 for
the breasts... The rabbit costs $2.49/lb (but he loves it so much I
don't mind) and the beef over $2/lb. I have also fed turkey necks for
$.99/lb and occasionaly pork with bones for $.99/lb that seem to hard
so I smash them with a meat cleaver. What should I do? I got started
on this using Bill's page that consisted of a mainly chicken back diet
(which he also gets when I can find them - also $.99/lb). I figured
if chicken backs were a good staple, the hind quarters were much
better, with more meat than bone. I have seen pork ribs for $1.99/lb
are those bones suitable? I have stayed away from boneless cuts of
pork but I could probably afford to add some of that, and I will add
turkey.

I still am stunned by the idea that chicken only once a week is ideal.
I live in the city and have no access to hunters or anything like
that. I have no room for a freezer so I can't buy in bulk.

Do others agree that chicken once a week is ideal? What are the
health consequences of a heavy chicken diet? As I mentioned in my
original post he is doing great on this diet as far as I can tell.
His weight is great, he has a ton of enery, his coat is great, he's
had no health problems, but I guess it's his long term health I need
to worry about. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

Bob

PS. If there are any of you in the Boston area, perhaps we could get
together and buy in bulk.

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3b. Enough Variety?
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:33 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "mrbob02140" <bob_roth@...> wrote:
>
> OMG! I'm stunned and bummed! I want to do this right, but money is
> tight. The chicken ranges from $.79/lb for the hind qtrs to
> $.99 for the breasts...

Have you checked at Walmart? Most places in the country, Walmart
sells chicken quarters for around $.47/lb. in 10lb. packages. Thats
where I get all my quarters. I get my backs in bulk for $.26/lb.
You need to be able to buy in bulk. It's LOTS cheaper.

> I have also fed turkey necks for
> $.99/lb and occasionaly pork with bones for $.99/lb that seem
> to hard so I smash them with a meat cleaver. What should I do?

You should be able to get turkey necks much cheaper in bulk. The
price will vary greatly from time to time. I get them anywhere from
$.50/lb to as much as $.80/lb. I wouldn't fool with pork bones if
you have to smash them.

> I figured
> if chicken backs were a good staple, the hind quarters were much
> better, with more meat than bone.

You are exactly right. I feed backs every day and quarters 2 or 3
times a week. Have been for over 5 years. I also feed 2 or 3
boneless meals a week.

> I have seen pork ribs for $1.99/lb are those bones suitable?

They are OK but I don't feed them. I prefer pork roasts when on
sale.

> I have stayed away from boneless cuts of
> pork but I could probably afford to add some of that, and I
> will add turkey.

Cool. The boneless pork would be great.

> I still am stunned by the idea that chicken only once a week
> is ideal.

Bob, it's one person's ideal. You've got to realize that there are
probably no 2 people that feed exactly alike. Thats the beauty of
the raw diet. You feed raw meat, boness, and organs from a variety
of animals. Mostly meat, some bone, some organs. Exact ratios
don't matter. Exact meats don't matter. Exact bones don't matter
as along as your dog can eat them. The exact amount of variety
doesn't matter. Keeping those things in mind, the entire diet is up
to you.

> I live in the city and have no access to hunters or anything like
> that. I have no room for a freezer so I can't buy in bulk.

You need to figure out a way to handle bulk because of costs and
ease of use. My first freezer was very small. It was about 4' high
and a lot smaller than a refigerator.

> Do others agree that chicken once a week is ideal?

Hehe, Since I feed chicken every day, of course I don't.

> What are the health consequences of a heavy chicken diet?

None. I will compare my dog's health with anyones.

> As I mentioned in my
> original post he is doing great on this diet as far as I can tell.
> His weight is great, he has a ton of enery, his coat is
> great, he's
> had no health problems, but I guess it's his long term health
> I need
> to worry about. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

I think your dog is telling you what you are feeding him is great.
Don't worry too much that your method of feeding raw doesn't conform
with someone elses. You will gain more confidence as time goes on.
My oldest dog has been eating this diet for over 5 years and has
never had a health problem during that time. My youngest has been
fed raw for all of his 3 years of life and has had no health
problems either.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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3c. Re: Enough Variety?
Posted by: "MORGAN LEWIS" shadowland22000@yahoo.com shadowland22000
Date: Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:57 am ((PST))

HAVE YOU CHECKED THE PRICE OF "HIGH QUALITY" KIBBLE. TRY $1.00- 1.50 POUND; SO RAW IS A BETTER DEAL BOTH IN PRICE AND QUALITY. MORGAN

carnesbill <carnesw@bellsouth.net> wrote: --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "mrbob02140" <bob_roth@...> wrote:
>
> OMG! I'm stunned and bummed! I want to do this right, but money is
> tight. The chicken ranges from $.79/lb for the hind qtrs to
> $.99 for the breasts...

Have you checked at Walmart? Most places in the country, Walmart
sells chicken quarters for around $.47/lb. in 10lb. packages. Thats
where I get all my quarters. I get my backs in bulk for $.26/lb.
You need to be able to buy in bulk. It's LOTS cheaper.

> I have also fed turkey necks for
> $.99/lb and occasionaly pork with bones for $.99/lb that seem
> to hard so I smash them with a meat cleaver. What should I do?

You should be able to get turkey necks much cheaper in bulk. The
price will vary greatly from time to time. I get them anywhere from
$.50/lb to as much as $.80/lb. I wouldn't fool with pork bones if
you have to smash them.

> I figured
> if chicken backs were a good staple, the hind quarters were much
> better, with more meat than bone.

You are exactly right. I feed backs every day and quarters 2 or 3
times a week. Have been for over 5 years. I also feed 2 or 3
boneless meals a week.

> I have seen pork ribs for $1.99/lb are those bones suitable?

They are OK but I don't feed them. I prefer pork roasts when on
sale.

> I have stayed away from boneless cuts of
> pork but I could probably afford to add some of that, and I
> will add turkey.

Cool. The boneless pork would be great.

> I still am stunned by the idea that chicken only once a week
> is ideal.

Bob, it's one person's ideal. You've got to realize that there are
probably no 2 people that feed exactly alike. Thats the beauty of
the raw diet. You feed raw meat, boness, and organs from a variety
of animals. Mostly meat, some bone, some organs. Exact ratios
don't matter. Exact meats don't matter. Exact bones don't matter
as along as your dog can eat them. The exact amount of variety
doesn't matter. Keeping those things in mind, the entire diet is up
to you.

> I live in the city and have no access to hunters or anything like
> that. I have no room for a freezer so I can't buy in bulk.

You need to figure out a way to handle bulk because of costs and
ease of use. My first freezer was very small. It was about 4' high
and a lot smaller than a refigerator.

> Do others agree that chicken once a week is ideal?

Hehe, Since I feed chicken every day, of course I don't.

> What are the health consequences of a heavy chicken diet?

None. I will compare my dog's health with anyones.

> As I mentioned in my
> original post he is doing great on this diet as far as I can tell.
> His weight is great, he has a ton of enery, his coat is
> great, he's
> had no health problems, but I guess it's his long term health
> I need
> to worry about. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

I think your dog is telling you what you are feeding him is great.
Don't worry too much that your method of feeding raw doesn't conform
with someone elses. You will gain more confidence as time goes on.
My oldest dog has been eating this diet for over 5 years and has
never had a health problem during that time. My youngest has been
fed raw for all of his 3 years of life and has had no health
problems either.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

Morgan and His Angels
Precious, OFA
Princess, CGC, TDI, GSDCA Health Award

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3d. Re: Enough Variety?
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:32 am ((PST))

"As I mentioned in my original post he is doing great on this diet as far as
I can tell. His weight is great, he has a ton of enery, his coat is great,
he's had no health problems, but I guess it's his long term health I need to
worry about."

If you keep him on a raw diet, you most likely will not have to worry about
long term health either. Call around to grocery stores/butchers and see
where you can buy in bulk. When we lived in Seattle, I found a butcher that
would sell me whole beef heart for $1/lb and chicken necks/backs for
.49./lb. I researched kibble for about a year before acquiring my next dog,
and the one I started with was 1.49/lb human grade. Raw can actually be
cheaper and if you include no vet bills it get's even cheaper. Raw diet
alone does not make your dog have no issues, but it's a great start. Other
contributing factors are pesticides, chemicals, some city water, any
chemical you put in your dogs body ie; wormers; there are lots of natural
remedies to a lot of what vets want us to poison our dogs with - but that's
another group - jstsayno2vaccs and truthaboutvaccines if you want to learn
more on that subject.

But keep feeding raw, find deals, and as far as feeding chicken, I used to
feed it daily for a year because it was what I could afford with the
occassional liver meal. So IMO anything raw is better than kibble - don't
make it complicated - and grocery stores will let you stock up on sales if
you call them ahead of time. In Seattle when Albertson's had chicken or
turkey on sale for .49 I would go buy 30-40 at a time to stock up. Also
invest in used freezers - we have 3 now just for the dogs and each was under
$100 in the paper.
--
Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com

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3e. Enough Variety?
Posted by: "mrbob02140" bob_roth@comcast.net mrbob02140
Date: Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:20 am ((PST))

Thanks so much to everyone that replied... I feel much better now and I
guess I am doing alright. I will try to add some more variety of
protein sources when the price is right. You guys are the best! Thanks
for all the advice and support.

Bob

PS. I nominated this group for "Best of Yahoo" and even if it is not
recognized as such, it will always be "Best" in my mind... thanks again!

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4a. Re: Heartburn (?)
Posted by: "Marguerite" semitruestory@gmail.com margo532001
Date: Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:55 am ((PST))

Sorry, I dont have an answer for you, just another question for anyone....
Will Slippery Elm help a SEVERE belching problem in an 88 # Golden?
Marguerite

On 11/14/07, jennifer_hell <jenniferhell@web.de> wrote:
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> Anyone? I ordered Slippery Elm now. Hope that will solve it?
>
> Jennifer
>
> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com <rawfeeding%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "jennifer_hell" <jenniferhell@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > I hope that is the correct term in English, I looked it up, another
> > term would be pyrosis.
> > What can I do to help Mandy when she's experiencing heartburn?
>
>
>

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5a. Best of Yahoo Groups
Posted by: "mrbob02140" bob_roth@comcast.net mrbob02140
Date: Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:55 am ((PST))

I just wanted to mention that I nominated Rawfeeding for "Best of Yahoo
Groups". I would encourage others to do the same... This group
definitely deserves the recognition. As I said in my nomination, "This
is the most helpful, civil group of people I have ever met, answering
hundreds of questions every week and thousands every month"

Bob

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5b. Re: Best of Yahoo Groups
Posted by: "Patty Linden" pattykat3@yahoo.com pattykat3
Date: Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:22 am ((PST))

mrbob02140 <bob_roth@comcast.net> wrote: I just wanted to mention that I nominated Rawfeeding for "Best of Yahoo
Groups". I would encourage others to do the same... This group
definitely deserves the recognition.

Hi Bob,
I couldn't agree with you more!! Where does one go to do the nominating?
:-) Patty

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6a. Re: NewBEEZ
Posted by: "dario" nanterossi@yahoo.co.uk nanterossi
Date: Wed Nov 21, 2007 8:11 am ((PST))

Giselle, many thanks for that. I think its def. too much bone.
nante

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7a. how/what to feed nursing mom
Posted by: "nikkisevy@aol.com" nikkisevy@aol.com mavreenhering
Date: Wed Nov 21, 2007 8:20 am ((PST))

Hello,

I have a new litter of 11 pups and a very tired mommy. What and how
should I feed her to make sure she has enough nourishment and produces enough
milk for these hungry babies. She is an 80 lb Rhodesian Ridgeback if that
helps. Any help and advice is greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
Nicole

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7b. Re: how/what to feed nursing mom
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:22 am ((PST))

My gsd is about 80 lbs and all I did was increase the same foods I was
already feeding her. Same raw diet, just more of it. I did not supplement
with anything because she was pregnant or nursing, just more food.
--
Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com

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7c. Re: how/what to feed nursing mom
Posted by: "Felicia Kost" saphiradane@yahoo.com saphiradane
Date: Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:35 am ((PST))

Congradulations:)!!!!!!
Felicia

nikkisevy@aol.com wrote:
Hello,

I have a new litter of 11 pups and a very tired mommy.

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8a. Re: 8 Week Old Puppy
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:22 am ((PST))

"1. Should I start him with just Bone in-Chicken Breast, or can he
start right out with the recommended 80-10-10 ratio of meat to organ
to bone?"

Bone in chicken breast first, you don't want to upset his tummy with too
much variety at first.

"2. How soon can I begin to introduce different types of foods ie..
beef, pork, turkey, fish and lamb?"

I fed chicken for 3 weeks, then added venison for 3 weeks, then tried pork.
Usually 3 weeks they adjust to new meat- each dog is different.

"3. Which method is best a slow introduction while cutting back on the
kibble, or cold turkey switching?"

Absolutely cold turkey.

--
Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com

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8b. Re: 8 Week Old Puppy
Posted by: "merril Woolf" merril@kentfieldwhippets.com whippetsrus2002
Date: Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:42 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "tdifr62" <tdifraia@...> wrote:
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> Hi I am going to be bringing home my new 8 week old OEM puppy. He has
> been weaned on kibble and I will be switching him over to raw. I
> currently have a 1 yr old OEM who has been on raw since I brought him
> home at 12 weeks, so I have some experience with raw and have been
> reading this list as well as a few books on raw for the past year.
> My questions are:
> 1. Should I start him with just Bone in-Chicken Breast, or can he
> start right out with the recommended 80-10-10 ratio of meat to organ
> to bone?
> 2. How soon can I begin to introduce different types of foods ie..
> beef, pork, turkey, fish and lamb?
> 3. Which method is best a slow introduction while cutting back on the
> kibble, or cold turkey switching?
> Thanks for all the help!
> Tommy D.

I'm going to jump right in and say just start feeding him raw. I wean mine to raw and
there has never been anything they can't eat or won't eat. It's just dinner to them.

I start with variety and never waiver....but that's just how I do it.
I don't follow any rules and they grow up great. Whatever the adults are eating is what
the pups are eating.
Try the bone-in chicken breasts and see how that works then progess as you see fit. Bet
he'll be eating what the adults are eating pretty quickly.

Merril

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9a. TREATS for a new raw puppy
Posted by: "jaygaughan" jaygaughan@yahoo.com jaygaughan
Date: Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:20 am ((PST))

I need some help as to what are appropriate treats for an 8 week old
Great Dane puppy already eating all raw? The breeder has him eating
ground chicken backs and green tripe. Since this is my first dog going
all raw I really don't know what to give him for treats.

What can I have on hand so my kids don't hand him any Oreo's?

Thank you

Jay

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9b. Re: TREATS for a new raw puppy
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:32 am ((PST))

"Since this is my first dog going all raw I really don't know what to give
him for treats."

Mine get raw treats - either frozen in individual little baggies to make
them treat size and then I feed it to them frozen. Or cooked meat (less
messy) cubed up and kept in the frig for quick treats. I usually use heart
and liver for treats- baked then cut into 1/2" squares or smaller for
training treats. Raw heart isn't too messy cubed up for treats. Also
people freeze meat/yogurt in kongs for long keep occupied treats. Ground
meat works great since it sticks in the kong better without falling out and
takes them a long time to get it. And when it thaws, it still sticks inside
the kong.
--
Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com

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9c. Re: TREATS for a new raw puppy
Posted by: "Dawn Crosier" dlcrosier@sbcglobal.net dlc110161
Date: Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:00 am ((PST))

Mine gets parts of hardboiled eggs as treats. I also use the Salmon Oil
capsule as a treat, with that, we just have to watch that everyone doesn't
give her one a day. LOL - that would be bad!, but the hardboiled egg is
pretty easy, once the one for the day is gone, no more treats.

Dawn

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10a. anyone feeding raccoon? any problems or reasons not to?
Posted by: "sktnurse" sktnurse@yahoo.com sktnurse
Date: Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:00 am ((PST))

I may have a new source for skinned raccoons and dont know of any
reasons not to feed it. these will be wild hunted raccoons. would be
great if could feed, price is right. HA. what do yo think?
sherry and 2 soon to be 3 raw fed dogs.

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10b. Re: anyone feeding raccoon? any problems or reasons not to?
Posted by: "chandler_baby" chandler_baby@yahoo.com chandler_baby
Date: Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:43 am ((PST))

Personally, I would say do not feed. I would stick to herbivores as
food for a carnivore. I see raccoons as carnivores, they eat a lot of
meat. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but wolves will not eat
raccoons, they will kill them but not eat them.

Roxane

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "sktnurse" <sktnurse@...> wrote:
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> I may have a new source for skinned raccoons and dont know of any
> reasons not to feed it. these will be wild hunted raccoons. would
be
> great if could feed, price is right. HA. what do yo think?
> sherry and 2 soon to be 3 raw fed dogs.
>

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