[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12320

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Supplementing with premade raw?
From: h h
1b. Re: Supplementing with premade raw?
From: Yasuko herron
1c. Re: Supplementing with premade raw?
From: Yasuko herron
1d. Re: Supplementing with premade raw?
From: marclre
1e. Re: Supplementing with premade raw?
From: Morledzep@aol.com

2a. Re: dog with diabetes
From: cypressbunny
2b. Re: dog with diabetes
From: Bumble1994@aol.com

3a. Re: trying not working
From: carnesbill

4a. Update, part I
From: mozookpr
4b. Re: Update, part I
From: Yasuko herron
4c. Re: Update, part II -- I did it!!
From: mozookpr

5a. Re: Allergic Dog not any better
From: miningcamp_labs
5b. Re: Allergic Dog not any better
From: Sonja
5c. Re: Allergic Dog not any better
From: Andrea
5d. Re: Allergic Dog not any better
From: Belinda van de Loo

6a. Re: Making the switch
From: paula.0666

7a. Re: raw food compagnies in the USA
From: catar2catars
7b. Re: raw food compagnies in the USA
From: Morledzep@aol.com

8a. vomiting chicken
From: fillermac
8b. Re: vomiting chicken
From: Andrea
8c. Re: vomiting chicken
From: Yasuko herron

9a. Re: Pig Leg bones...
From: Morledzep@aol.com

10. Re: Soft bones
From: Sai Simonson

11a. Re: Buying from the source
From: Gayle

12. First Raw feed mixed reviews
From: groomindiva67

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1a. Re: Supplementing with premade raw?
Posted by: "h h" deedeekinsisme@yahoo.com tarbedyh
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:58 am ((PST))

I was under the assumption that it was 10% if their daily meal or more
if you feed every few days...should I not be giving them organ every
day? So if my dogs get 2 lbs of food each day I give them about .2 lbs
of organ...if it's not a daily thing, how much should I give and how
often?
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You can do it that way if you want, but you don't need to be giving precisely 3.2 oz of organ meat every single day. For example, my dogs get a pound of food every day (give or take) and I try to feed them one organ meal every week to two weeks. Sometimes it has been two and a half or even (gasp) three weeks in between organ meals, and other times they have had three organ meals in less than two weeks (dh, bless his heart, doesn't always take out the right thing out of the freezer if I hadn't done it already). In the long run, it all balances out.

HEIDI MARIE
~with the woofs-Cheyenne and Lazy B~
~and the moggies-Minerva, Shasta, and Misty-Jo~

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1b. Re: Supplementing with premade raw?
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 12:37 pm ((PST))

> I use the premade as a supplement because my mom HATES the smell of tripe and organs which ushually complete a raw diet.

I do not like pre-made raw medalion things or pre-made ground items because you really have no control over the ratio of bone,organ,meat and somehas veg or fruits in it which dog really no need it for.I feel more comfortable to know waht really goes into our dogs by feeding hunks of meat.bone,organs. Those are no added vitamin sprays over it like kibbles get andI feel comfortable feeding as natural as food can be.

as for tripe,it is not must item but,I feed it as side dish and it seems to gives my dog more energy and coat color seems to be little darker more. It just my feeling so,I may be wrong though.

Smell is ... like cow barn. and sight is little too much for me,but i wanted to see what it is like and,see if palette likes it,andtried but palette really likes it so,I guess i keep it in menu but it is not must item.You do not need to feed it if you choose not to.Not a big thing.

As for organs though,it hasso nutrients rich in it so,I think dog diet should have some organs included. Squashy feeling or little smell of organs could make you feel nautious but,dog needs it. If your mother did not like the smell or sight of organs,you can just go outside orsomewhere mother is not around and cut the organs for your dog and feed it.Organ should be part of diet around 10%.

> Plus I use it because venison and duck are really hard to find.

I have never fed Venison but I feed Elk. The big deer. I buy big from CO and stock up in freezer and it lasts months. For Duck,local grocery store sell it.

If you in VA,I have seen Duck in Giant and Shoppers.

and if you go to Asian stores,you may find one.one bird at shoppers were about 16 dollars or so with 6lb Duck.It is frozen. At Giant,same 6lb Duck was around 30 dollars.

I feed Duck but palette cannot have Duck meal with skin on.If skin is on,she either gets loose poo or diarrhea. I gradually move from combo meal to Duck only meal without skin but with skin,she has prob,so,I need to be slow to feed bird with skin on for Duck.

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1c. Re: Supplementing with premade raw?
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 12:38 pm ((PST))

>should I not be giving them organ every day?

Hi. you could if you want to. It just that organs especially Liver has high in Vitamin A so,as long as you do not feed too much daily, then,you are ok to go.

I am rotating side dish among poultry ziblet bag items(heart,gizzard),chicken liver,tripe,liver of pork,and Beef in a week. So,for me,technically I can say I feed 3 times per week for liver but if I wanted,I can feed smidge of liver daily.It is just me.

Oh,and liver tends to loose up the poo too so, it is like combination of how much your dog can torelate plus as long as amount of liver you give is not too much liver,then,you are fine.

When I feed liver,I combine with kidney.So,palette gets 5% pork kidney 5% liver for example.But % is rough guide line so,sometimes,when I cut the liver,she maybe getting little less than 5%.I just eyeball it so,I may sometimes little over andsomedays,little less.

yassy

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1d. Re: Supplementing with premade raw?
Posted by: "marclre" marclre@aol.com marclre
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 1:08 pm ((PST))

"It wont hurt. would it?"

***Just as when you feed crap-in-a-bag, with prepackaged 'medallions' etc you really have
no way of knowing what other dreck may have been added to the mix. Apart from the fact
that you're being royally ripped off pricewise. My own personal view is that commercially
prepared raw food is mostly a waste of space and only helps fuel the tired old myths &
misunderstandings circulating about raw feeding. One of which is that it has to be hideously
expensive ;)
Marie-Claire***

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1e. Re: Supplementing with premade raw?
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 3:50 pm ((PST))

In a message dated 11/26/2007 7:03:36 AM Pacific Standard Time,
twilli55@tampabay.rr.com writes:

I was under the assumption that it was 10% if their daily meal or more
if you feed every few days...should I not be giving them organ every
day? So if my dogs get 2 lbs of food each day I give them about .2 lbs
of organ...if it's not a daily thing, how much should I give and how
often?

Marci,

the percentages are NOT exact.. what the percentages we use really mean is
that a very small amount of the diet is organs..

let me give you an example.. in the last week i've fed my dogs (9 large
beasts 60lbs - 150 lbs) pork picnics, 2 - 20 lb turkeys, 1 bag of pork spleen
(melts), 4 - 5lb frying chickens, and the old man forgot to feed the dogs a couple
days.

each of the pork picnics are about 9 lbs, it usually takes 2 or 3 to feed the
entire crew. the organs from the turkeys were handed out as treats to the
silly ones that finished their meals first. And the "bag" of pork melts is
gallon bags that i conveniently counted 9 pork melts into the bag when i packaged
them after i bought them.

so this week all the organs that ALL of my dogs have had is a pork melt each
with whatever else they ate that day. and some turkey livers i tossed in the
air for someone to catch when i fed turkey.

sometime next week.. or the week after we might whack a beef or ostrich liver
into 9 hunks. or we might not.

all that measuring and weighing things will get to you sooner or later, it'll
cause you to either throw your hands up and say "i can't do this anymore" or
you'll relax and just feed organs when you remember, and not worry about it.

Catherine R.

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2a. Re: dog with diabetes
Posted by: "cypressbunny" cypressbunny@yahoo.com cypressbunny
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 12:04 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Laura Stock" <stockhouse@...>
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> Has anyone here had any luck reversing diabetes by switching to raw?

*** Many dogs and cats have, depending on how severe the damage to the
pancreas is. In any case, cutting out the carbs will reduce the
glucose roller coaster ride and allow better control if insulin is
necessary. Dogs just aren't designed to ingest many carbs, but kibble
is usually chock-full of them.

Many folks find that the insulin dosage needs to be reduced after the
switch to raw. If this dog is not on insulin, I would switch to raw
first and see how he does. If he is on insulin, I would switch to raw
but pay careful attention to the glucose numbers. Do not rely on
glucose curves done in the vet hospital--they should be done at home.

--Carrie

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2b. Re: dog with diabetes
Posted by: "Bumble1994@aol.com" Bumble1994@aol.com bumble1994
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 12:38 pm ((PST))

In a message dated 11/26/2007 2:58:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, "Laura
Stock" writes:

My parents have a 6yo medium-sized mixed breed dog who's just been diagnosed
with diabetes. Has anyone here had any luck reversing diabetes by switching
to raw?

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Hi, Laura,

I have cats, not dogs, but I am confident that the answer is the same.
Kibble is the WORST thing possible to feed a diabetic cat. Here's a website with
good information by a nationally respected vet in the field of cat diabetes,
who rawfeeds her own cats.

_http://yourdiabeticcat.com/diet.html_ (http://yourdiabeticcat.com/diet.html)

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3a. Re: trying not working
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 12:37 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "ELLEN DIX" <ellileeah22@...>
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> YES, Bill, I like this Group and I would like to share this
> post with my potential puppy people to encourage them to feed
> raw and to take a step "out of the box", even to join this
> group BEFORE they get a puppy!. Could I cross post this message
> to them?

Sure, no problem. I don't know if you need anyone elses permission
but you have mine.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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4a. Update, part I
Posted by: "mozookpr" mozookpr@yahoo.com mozookpr
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 12:38 pm ((PST))

Today is the day. I am armed with two whole chickens, waiting to be
cut unto appropriately sized meals. Thanks to all who suggested
portion sizes, I think I will try half breasts, as so many have
recommended.

What finally prompted me to move NOW, instead of when I stopped being
nervous, got a freezer, found 29 cent leg quarters?

Foxy almost choked on a kibble today. Which has also cured me
permanently of any notions I ever had that free feeding was a good
idea. (Yeah, I know: dumb. But this is what most people I know do.
Be kind. I only just heard of raw meaty bones a few days ago, and have
literally been staying up half the night since then learning all I can.)

Here's what happened. Two dogs, two bowls, out all the time. It had
to happen sooner or later: both dogs went for the same bowl at once.
In the ensuing dust-up, Foxy got so excited he almost inhaled the food
he had in his mouth and hacked for about 10 minutes.

So...even if I had never heard of raw feeding, we would have two new
house rules: Regular mealtimes and truly seperate feeding stations,
not just two bowls. I can see experienced multiple-dog owners shaking
their heads in disgust; what can I say, I have only ever had multiples
of the feline variety before, and they can share a bowl just fine. At
least, they have been, I am pretty sure when I switch them over it will
be a different story!

Since I am introducing these other new rules, it seems like a good time
to, as I was advised, JUST DO IT, and switch today to raw. I am still
a little nervous, but I think this feeling is outweighed by my
excitement at knowing my dogs will really enjoy their meals, and that I
will be doing the best thing for them. They will be fed in their
crates, which are, thank Heaven, in my room. (I live with my 82-year
old mother, who has Alzheimer's and would be far more nervous about
this switch than I, as she freaks out when the dogs play together
because she is convinced they are going to kill each other.)

Thanks for listening to this newbie ramble, and to all who said there
was a disconnect between my intellectual acceptance of raw and my
emotions...you are right. There has been. I am reminded of my first
time on the high dive at the pool as a child. I saw the other kids
doing it, I knew they were okay when they did it, and I wanted to do it
myself. That scared me, too, but once I did it, I was fine, and better
than fine: I loved it, and was proud of overcoming my fear. I am sure
this will be the same.

Will let you know how it went in update, part II...

Thanks again for your patience in helping me recover from my "tizzy."

;)

Wendy the bi-ped, and Foxy and Sophie the carnivores

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4b. Re: Update, part I
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 1:39 pm ((PST))

> Two dogs, two bowls, out all the time. It had to happen sooner or later: both dogs went for >the same bowl at once. In the ensuing dust-up, Foxy got so excited he almost inhaled the >food he had in his mouth and hacked for about 10 minutes.

Hi. What breed of your dog? Mine is Corgi(pembroke),and I do not use bowl to feed other than raw egg or liver orsomething that will pread over the shower curtain I use as mat on kitchen floor.I feed main meal without bowl.

Since i have only one dog not malti dog family so,I cannot have suggestion for you for feeding dog more than one,but I do knowthat thislist hadtopics on it months ago.You can look up the past archive andyou may find more suggestion there.this list really is full of info and,very good to learn things on feeding.Very helpful people here.I really like this list.

I switched my dog Cold Turkey way since it was recomended to me on this list and,my dog did fine with it.

I remember how nervous I was to handing out bone to my dog..

At first feeding time,she was way too excited and probably mis-judged the size she could swallow and after swallowing,she hoakedit up again andchew more and swallow. But she learnt quick she needed to chew bit and,that the raw food is not just one time thing but rather daily thing so,she got real relaxed on feeding time and enjoy meal every chewing/swallowing she does.I am glad that I changed her diet.It was big step for me to not to feel nervous about feeding it untril I actyually feed it but after that,feeding bone came to feel natural to me and,I feel comfortable feeding it.As long asyou stay away from knuckle bone,femur bone,marrow bone and some other bone from pet shop,then,you are ok.And you would learn the dog's eating habit too.Then,you can judge the bone with it.

> Regular mealtimes and truly seperate feeding stations, not just two bowls.

I think that feeding schedule is better off not deciding. I am not deciding whattime we feed her. Only rule here is,she get fed after human and then,she sit nicely before meal and,start eating after we say ok.

And I trade meal that is big andneed to trade with chicken feet.

That is about it.

Today,I woke up quite late for me,but she was fine,no bile vomit as well since I do not have exact feeding time.

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4c. Re: Update, part II -- I did it!!
Posted by: "mozookpr" mozookpr@yahoo.com mozookpr
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:13 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "mozookpr" <mozookpr@...> wrote:
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> Today is the day.

One half chicken, demolished!

I gave Foxy a bit less than the whole breast quarter, he ate about
half of it, with some encouragment from me. He did finally chomp on
the bones, and finished most of the wing, along with some of the back
and breast. He is used to getting to nibble whenever he likes, so I
suspect tomorrow or the next day he will get the idea that those days
are over, and may eat more then.

Sophie worked that quarter like...well...like she was born to do it
(fancy that!) It was so cool! There was a little scrap of backbone
left that I will give her in the morning. I think she would be able
to handle leg quarters, and will probably try that tomorrow, since
the chicken came with two of them.... ;) If that works well, I will
give her the leg quarters and save the breasts and ribs for Foxy, who
is smaller.

Mom saw Foxy chewing a wing, and was horrified. "He's a LITTLE DOG,
little dogs should not get the same things as big dogs like THAT"
(meaning Sophie, who weighs all of 19 lbs....) I told her he did get
a different meal...smaller, with smaller bones, but that he is still
a dog, with the same digestive system as any other dog.

Anyway, both dogs seemed to enjoy their meal, Sophie perhaps more,
because she is a puppy and not yet addicted to kibble. Am looking
forward to the next feeding! (And I know Sophie's cannon butt five
minutes after dinner was NOT the chicken, it was probably the cat
poop she sneaks out of the litter box every time I turn my
back....any suggestions for that? Grrrr....) Just wondering, does
rawfeeding help with that issue? Would be awesome if it did...

Once again, thanks,

Wendy, Foxy, and Sophie
Official raw feeders :D

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5a. Re: Allergic Dog not any better
Posted by: "miningcamp_labs" miningcamp_labs@yahoo.com miningcamp_labs
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 12:38 pm ((PST))

Sara,
I've been raw feeding 8 labs for about four months. One of my labs
developed extremely itchy, bumpy skin and was very much allergic to
whatever they're putting in chicken. After several weeks of pork
riblets and beef heart, the problem went away. She cannot tolerate
any additives. And I've since found out that chicken can be labeled
all natural as long as the additives are natural.

If this is something new, you should also probably have your vet do a
skin scraping to make sure no mites are involved. In the Phoenix
area we have had several cases of sarcoptic mange, which has the same
symptoms as allergies. Most vets will treat for allergies if the
test is negative, but you need to stay on it. Study up on mange on
the internet. I had one dog get it at the dog park before I knew
better.

Eliminate the chicken.
Pam and her labs

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> I've had my 4 year old Choc Lab on raw for about a month and her
allergies are worse than ever. We have mainly been feeding her
chicken, with turkey and pork. She has had no trouble moving to raw
but her skin is so red and bumpy we put her back on pred and atopica.
Could she be allergic to chicken??
> Sara and Rose

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5b. Re: Allergic Dog not any better
Posted by: "Sonja" ladyver@sbcglobal.net lonepalm77
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 12:38 pm ((PST))

I have a lab that is very sensitive to chicken, even the minimally processed, non-enhanced variety. I won't feed it to her anymore. When I can afford it, I'd like to try her on organic chicken to see if that might make a difference, but until that day, she's stuck with pork, turkey, and duck. She has negative reactions to lamb, beef, and of course, chicken. She used to be mildly reactive to pork (excessive itching), but that seems to have gone away.

I've been feeding raw since around March/April because of allergies, and we're leaps and bounds ahead of where we were, but Kodie is still not 100% allergy free, and we probably shouldn't expect her to be at this point. At least we have it under control now, and she doesn't need meds or shots anymore.

I know it's frustrating, and when you have a dog that seems to react to EVERYTHING, the learning curve with raw is a lot steeper! Stick with it, the rewards might be further away, but they're there!

Sonja

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5c. Re: Allergic Dog not any better
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 12:49 pm ((PST))

> What kind of pork bones my 85lb dog cant get through neck bones.

Neck bones are generally pretty meatless and even though my dogs can
consume the bones they don't always do so. My newf pup had no problems
with the bone in a picnic roast even when he was 12 weeks old. Pork
rib slabs are really easy to eat as well.

Andrea

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5d. Re: Allergic Dog not any better
Posted by: "Belinda van de Loo" auntielindyloo@yahoo.com belindavandeloo
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 1:33 pm ((PST))

Hello Sara,
You didn't perchance have a vaccination recently, like within a couple
months? That could explain some of this type of reaction, as it did
with my dog who was seemingly allergic to chicken for a long time. It
turned out to be a vaccinosis reaction and it took several months for
my dog to finally be able to enjoy all types of raw meat. I had him
treated homeopathically for vaccinosis and he came right.
Just a thot.
Blessings,
Belinda and "Honey" from Holland

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> I've had my 4 year old Choc Lab on raw for about a month and her
allergies are worse than ever. We have mainly been feeding her chicken,
with turkey and pork. She has had no trouble moving to raw but her skin
is so red and bumpy we put her back on pred and atopica. Could she be
allergic to chicken??
> Sara and Rose
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6a. Re: Making the switch
Posted by: "paula.0666" roogirl@adam.com.au paula.0666
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 12:38 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "costrowski75" <Chriso75@...> wrote:
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> "paula.0666" <roogirl@> wrote:>
> but is it okay to switch a dog straight to all raw feeding or
> > should there be a transitional phase?
> *****
> It's fine, Paula. The sooner you get the kibble out of the dog's
life,
> the better.
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> If you haven't joined Yahoogroups (the link is at the bottom of
every
> email you receive from this list), please do. Access to the message
> archives will help you tremendously.
> Chris O
>*****
Thank you very much. I will spend the coming weekend scouring the
archives. I can't believe Jasper's not crying for my dinner after he's
eaten. He couldn't be satiated for the first time, could he? Also, no
crazy carb laps after dinner - just a contented protein induced coma.
Amazing!!!

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7a. Re: raw food compagnies in the USA
Posted by: "catar2catars" roger.may@telenet.be catar2catars
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 12:39 pm ((PST))

>
> Hiya Roger ,
> Welcome , grab a chair and lets chat ;-)
>
> JSYK ........... We are not a BARF list.
>
> Raw feeding is PREY model feeding so the dogs and cats get the
> entire benefit of the TOTAL nutrition they need to thrive along
with
> the mental and physical part that is so important.
>
> A nice side effect of true raw feeding is there are no trips to
the
> vetspital unless there is an emergency or for the dreaded
mandated
> by law Rabies poke ........... grrrrrrrrrrr.
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>
> > or is this no
> > concern at all >
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> ########## NO COMMENT ! ! ! hahahahahaha
>
> Best as Always,
> Shirley & the Kitchen Wolves
> imagegermanshepherds.com
> est 1959

Thanks for the reply Shirley,

And for the good order, I'm not a barfer , nor a raw feeder.

I feed my dogs already more than 35 years raw meaty bones, organ
meat, all parts of so called prey animals and table scraps.
and before those 35 years , I saw my grandfather doing that 25 years
before.

So, I know what is Barf, prey model feeding and all the stories
aroud, and I also know where carnivorous pets get there benefits.

I was just curious if the stories which where on the Dutch boards
were true , and if the FDA could have some impact on the pulp-pap-
dog-food industries in America !

as You wrote , no further comment.

roger.

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7b. Re: raw food compagnies in the USA
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:34 pm ((PST))

In a message dated 11/26/2007 4:25:43 AM Pacific Standard Time,
roger.may@telenet.be writes:

Is this a concern only for those compagnys who are producing raw,
minced meat "sausages" like Barf TM style , or is this a concern for
compagnies who sell the real stuff as it should be , or is this no
concern at all and just a poker game from the FDA boys and girls ?

Roger,

i don't see how this affects us? we feed whole meats, on and off the bone,
and organs. we don't use, nor to do recommend using pre-made, ground raw
anything.

IF we find ground meat at the grocery store for a price that just can't be
passed up, we'll include it in a meal or feed a hunk of it frozen so it still
requires work to eat. But that and ground green tripe is all the ground meat
most of our dogs ever get.

FDA, no matter how big they think they are, can't stop that..

Catherine R.

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8a. vomiting chicken
Posted by: "fillermac" jkffiller@msn.com fillermac
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 1:33 pm ((PST))

Hi,
My dog has never liked raw chicken all that well. But I gave her
two chicken legs last evening. About 4 hours later she vomited
projectilely and it looked more like feces. She did not eat it.
She is fine. She ate today. She pooped today. Any ideas. Thanks Eileen

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8b. Re: vomiting chicken
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:12 pm ((PST))

Hmm. . .any chance she went outside and ate some poo? Seems like after
four hours the chicken should still resemble chicken, especially if she
ate ok and went poo today.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "fillermac" <jkffiller@...> wrote:

> I gave her two chicken legs last evening. About 4 hours later she
> vomited projectilely and it looked more like feces.

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8c. Re: vomiting chicken
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:34 pm ((PST))

> I gave her two chicken legs last evening. About 4 hours later she vomited
projectilely and it looked more like feces

Hi,Eileen. Are you new to rawfeeding? If so,then,your dog has problem of eating bland flavored and different textured chicken and it maybe look as if your dog does not like the chicken.Give your dog time and your dog may change taste-buzz.

It is bit different but my dog hadprob with Elk before but now she likes it and gubbles down. So,once she gets used to food,then,maybe she does good on it.

As for vomitting, maybe you fed it right from the fridge and meat was too cold for stomack?

Or too bony for your dog in one sitting?

Or maybe chicken was enhanced with some ways?

She has no prob with poo??

yassy

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9a. Re: Pig Leg bones...
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:34 pm ((PST))

In a message dated 11/26/2007 11:06:33 AM Pacific Standard Time,
shirl-ed@hotmail.com writes:

Are these safe as a good chew for a large dog? Or are then teeth-breakers?

Shirley,

these are bare naked bones? there is no earthly reason to give any dog bare
naked bones. appropriately sized meals that include meat on bones is all that
should be necessary to satisfy all of your dogs' chewing needs.

Anything above and beyond that is a training issue.

Pork bones in general are not too hard for all but the tiniest dogs. a hunky
pork picnic provides several meat only meals and one or two nice meat ripping
bone chewing workouts.

Catherine R.

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10. Re: Soft bones
Posted by: "Sai Simonson" saiczarina@comcast.net keikokat
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 3:50 pm ((PST))

Hi Snezana,

I can not advise about bones, however I am very impressed by all the
choices you have available.

Sai in Oregon, USA
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I can get chicken, beef, pork (meat, bones and organs), mackarel,
sardines and other fish, and sometimes lamb or turkey. Is this enough
variety?
I appreciate any help.

Regards from Serbia,
Snezana and Tina
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*~~ SaiCzarina*

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11a. Re: Buying from the source
Posted by: "Gayle" gayle@gayleturner.net gayle28607
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:13 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "the swamp witch" <theswampwitch@...> wrote:
>
Can anyone offer some words of wisdom about buying from the source.
> For example, would it be worth the effort to buy a quarter cow, or will I
> get a comparable price from buying sales? I like the idea of buying local

Jennifer,

I think I am on a parallel path. I am in Boone, NC, and am running into nothing but confusion
about both venison and beef at the moment. I am trying to do whole prey as much as
possible. Given what many processors take as the USDA rules, it has begun to make me
wonder if it would be easier to raise my own cow, or shoot my own deer. If I simply wanted a
quarter of a cow that is free range, I could get that, but it would be about $3.50 a pound.
That is not going to happen at that price.

Assuming I finally learn something, I'll post here. I hope you will do the same!

Gayle and Chakotay

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12. First Raw feed mixed reviews
Posted by: "groomindiva67" redneckdiva@sbcglobal.net groomindiva67
Date: Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:13 pm ((PST))

Okay I fed my crew tonight there first raw meal. I got mixed reviews.
2 of my standards thought I had lost my mind and refused to eat. My
female Standard loved them she had 2 thighs (but threw up about 30 mins
after eating) did I feed her to much at first?? My golden refused to
eat until I cut it up in smaller pieces. I started with a quarter of
chicken and then gave her a thigh instead she would put in her mouth
that was it until I cut it up. I strips some of the meat then fave her
the meat and bone she loved it. Had to do the same with my
mini/standard. she loved it. My Ridgeback love them ate it like candy.

So I took up the chicken the boys refused to eat. Maybe tomorrow they
will be hungry. So how did I do???

Monica and the Redneck Crew

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