[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12326

There are 18 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Feeding whole chicken tomorrow, last question ! :)
From: shefy7
1b. Re: Feeding whole chicken tomorrow, last question ! :)
From: Laurie Swanson

2a. Cow Bones
From: windmilldairy
2b. Re: Cow Bones
From: DM H
2c. Re: Cow Bones
From: Sandee Lee
2d. Re: Cow Bones
From: Sandee Lee
2e. Re: Cow Bones
From: DM H
2f. Re: Cow Bones
From: Laurie Swanson
2g. Re: Cow Bones
From: jennifer_hell

3. Duck Hearts
From: Susanne MacLeod

4. to Rachelle in MS
From: Michelle R

5. Re: Beef heart and other meats
From: Michael Moore

6a. Re: 3 week old pups
From: Michael Moore

7. math help, please and thank you!
From: spricketysprock

8. Feeding large bone?
From: Sarah

9a. Re: Salmon Oil/How much???
From: ncrnrgrl

10a. Re: rawfeeding Deer meat
From: Candee Brey

11. Little update re: introducing new protein
From: mmc2315

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1a. Feeding whole chicken tomorrow, last question ! :)
Posted by: "shefy7" shefy7@yahoo.com shefy7
Date: Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:16 pm ((PST))

hi everyone! i finally got up the nerve to try snowy with a whole
chicken. so i got an organic chicken from trader joes today. i know
people said chicken bones are really soft and edible. but it's just
those two little round bones sticking out (i think it's the bone of
the feet?) that are bugging me...they are really small (it's a 4 pound
chicken) like the size of dice...

just wanted to make sure this will be ok to feed snowy? (he's 20
pounds and can barely fit a tennis ball in his mouth..) i don't want
him getting any cracked teeth...

i'm not worried about him overeating...in fact he stops eating after
he's had his fill which is about 4-5oz in the am and pm... i'm just
worried about him biting down on this bone... i can't seem to find any
boneless whole chicken either (i'm guessing it would be too hard to
debone it and keep it whole :) )

thanks in advance!

shefy and snowy

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1b. Re: Feeding whole chicken tomorrow, last question ! :)
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:35 pm ((PST))

Hi Shefy,

Should be totally fine! Chicken bones are completely edible and won't
crack Snowy's teeth! My 23# Boston eats all poultry and rabbit bones,
plus many goat, lamb, and pork bones. I avoid beef, buffalo, and some
of the harder goat, lamb, or pork bones.

Laurie

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2a. Cow Bones
Posted by: "windmilldairy" drwindmill@gmail.com windmilldairy
Date: Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:16 pm ((PST))

Besides the ribs, what cow/beef bones are safe for dogs?

Pat

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2b. Re: Cow Bones
Posted by: "DM H" hawks.bluff@yahoo.com hawks.bluff
Date: Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:14 pm ((PST))

My dogs enjoy knuckle (soup) and marrow bones.
They'll spend hours trying to get every little scrap
off. :-)

Donna

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2c. Re: Cow Bones
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:33 pm ((PST))

Most dogs do. Unfortunately these bones are the tooth wreckers, resulting
in breakage and wearing.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "DM H" <hawks.bluff@yahoo.com>

> My dogs enjoy knuckle (soup) and marrow bones.
> They'll spend hours trying to get every little scrap
> off. :-)

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2d. Re: Cow Bones
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:38 pm ((PST))

None once the meat is removed...and that includes ribs for most dogs.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "windmilldairy" <drwindmill@gmail.com>

Besides the ribs, what cow/beef bones are safe for dogs?

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2e. Re: Cow Bones
Posted by: "DM H" hawks.bluff@yahoo.com hawks.bluff
Date: Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:48 pm ((PST))

At eight years old, both my guys are doing fine,
dentally. :-) Just had their annuals, and the vet
was quite impressed by how clean their teeth are.
They've been eating knuckle bones and marrow bones
since they were a few months old.

Donna

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2f. Re: Cow Bones
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:35 pm ((PST))

You're lucky--my dog has two chipped teeth from them. They're chipped
on the sides of the teeth (upper molars, I believe). His teeth have
always been nice and clean, but now the chipped ones get tartar build-
up and are discolored on the outside (now) rough surface. I hope this
doesn't cause him future problems and they don't have to be removed.

My vet recommended these bones and didn't even tell me to stop feeding
them after the chips! Um...they don't always know what they're talking
about... :-)

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, DM H <hawks.bluff@...> wrote:

Just had their annuals, and the vet
> was quite impressed by how clean their teeth are.
> They've been eating knuckle bones and marrow bones
> since they were a few months old.

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2g. Re: Cow Bones
Posted by: "jennifer_hell" jenniferhell@web.de jennifer_hell
Date: Wed Nov 28, 2007 6:15 am ((PST))

Plain old luck. Just like some dogs grow very old on k*bble, some
people smoke their whole lives and don't get cancer etc etc.

Jennifer

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, DM H <hawks.bluff@...> wrote:
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> At eight years old, both my guys are doing fine,
> dentally. :-) Just had their annuals, and the vet
> was quite impressed by how clean their teeth are.
> They've been eating knuckle bones and marrow bones
> since they were a few months old.
>
> Donna
>

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3. Duck Hearts
Posted by: "Susanne MacLeod" suzmacleod@rogers.com skull25ca
Date: Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:13 pm ((PST))

I slurged and bought a ack of duck hearts.....should I feed like other
offal...or as a meal. I dont want exploding butts. :)
Suz Kate and joey

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4. to Rachelle in MS
Posted by: "Michelle R" crested_dog8@yahoo.com crested_dog8
Date: Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:13 pm ((PST))

Hey Rachelle....just saw your post and you signed it "in MS" well I had to write and say howdy cuz Im in MS too...e-me offlist, I would have written to you directly, but couldnt find your original post with your email on it....I only saw a reply to you...:-(

Michelle Radcliff
Mengshi Chinese Cresteds
http://www.geocities.com/crested_dog8/mengshihome.html

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5. Re: Beef heart and other meats
Posted by: "Michael Moore" m-tak@sbcglobal.net annemoore2000
Date: Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:15 pm ((PST))

>>40# Turkey necks. I was so happy to find out that they were
individually wrapped! Do they always come this way?<<

Ericka -- Not around here -- they're all in one frozen hunk o' meat.

>>40# super score of lamb brest for only .99 a lb!<<

Ohhhh, very, very jealous of this score!! Good for you!

>>60# beef hearts all frozen together in a solid block :( now
defrosting in my bathtub, lol.<<

Been there, done that.

>>Anyway I was noticing that the beef heart has quite a bit a fat on
it and also has part of the artery attached. My main questiona are:

Should I trim the fat or leave it on and serve it up as is? <<

I vote serve as it -- that's how my hearts come (per my request). The fat is an essential part to feed, and the ateries are part of the whole animal.

>>Is the artery portion a source or cartelidge that is good to feed to
a dog with displasia problems?<<

Well, any species appropriate food is good for any/all dogs. Dysplastic dogs *may* need some supplements other than this. I had good results with adding higher doses of salmon oil, but that may have been coincidence.

>>Is it ok to feed the beef heart as the "meaty" portion of most meals
and the turkey necks and lamb breast(bone in) as the RMB portion of
the meal?<<

I do this frequently, with no problems. But, do I remember that you/your dogs are fairly new to rawfeeding? If not, I apologize. But if so, you may want to add in heart and lamb in small amounts to meals you know they do well on. Both those, IME, could cause very loose stools if given as entire meals to newbie dogs.

-- Anne and the PWC and one goofy GSD rescue and a silly Golden rescue

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6a. Re: 3 week old pups
Posted by: "Michael Moore" m-tak@sbcglobal.net annemoore2000
Date: Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:16 pm ((PST))

>>Geri, will you please tell me how to start my 3 week old SCWTerrier pups. I have in the past used oats, barley, rice with raw goat's milk. Now, tell me the RIGHT WAY to start these puppies. Mom has been eating raw all of her 5 years, with gusto! <<

Not Geri, but I can tell you how I weaned my Corgi pups onto raw. I started at four weeks of age, and I did not grind anything. I gave the pups bone-in breasts, with the meat ribboned so they'd have something to grab onto. Within a week they were stripping all the meat off the bones; within two weeks, they ate it bone and all.
I branched out within a couple of days to pork, beef heart, venison, elk, fish, eggs, turkey. They ate it all without problems. It was so cool to watch them simply attack their meals like good little carnivores.

-- Anne and the PWC and one goofy GSD rescue and a silly Golden rescue

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7. math help, please and thank you!
Posted by: "spricketysprock" jess.hamway@gmail.com spricketysprock
Date: Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:16 pm ((PST))

Just a silly little question but it would diminish my worry. My dog is
69 pounds and eats about a pound or a bit over a day. For organs I've
been getting liver and kidney, chopping it up, and freezing pieces in
ice cube trays. Could anyone tell me around how many cubes a week
would suffice for a dog his weight? He's a senior and I want to make
sure he's getting all his nutrients without going overboard (he gets
plenty of meat variety). Thanks!!

Jess & Toby

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8. Feeding large bone?
Posted by: "Sarah" hecarte@hotmail.com sarah_uk_2000_2001
Date: Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:09 am ((PST))

I got some pork bones from the supermarket that weigh about 200g each
(they have a little meat attached). 200g would be enough bone for one
week for my dog so I was wondering, how can I feed these bones? Should
I give it to him for just a little while each day then take it away, or
should I just let him eat it all in one day then give him no more bone
for the rest of the week?

Also, is it ok to refreeze things for dogs? I was de-boning some
chicken for our evening meal that had been frozen, but I re-froze the
bones to give to the dog along with some meatymeat. I just wanted to
check it was ok to do this.

After 13 days of raw feeding his coat is so much softer than it was -
I'm really amazed by all the differences this diet is making to my
little angel :-)

Regards, Sarah (UK)

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9a. Re: Salmon Oil/How much???
Posted by: "ncrnrgrl" jcraver1@nc.rr.com ncrnrgrl
Date: Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:09 am ((PST))

On the other end of the spectrum, I have two German Shepherds.. one is
90 lbs and the youngster is about 75 - they each get 1000mg wild salmon
oil/day. I understand you can give much more safely, but 1000 mg is the
dose that was recommended and they are doing great at this level.

Jen C.

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> I give my 3 pounder, one drop of salmon oil 2 times a day. My 6
pounder
> gets a little larger drop 2 times a day. That's what was recommended;
> well 1-1 1/2 drops per 12.5 pounds of dog. It's Grizzly Salmon Oil.
> Cheryl
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10a. Re: rawfeeding Deer meat
Posted by: "Candee Brey" candee@netnet.net candeeloubrey
Date: Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:30 am ((PST))

> I have been feeding raw for almost 7 years and I have never fed
> deer before and just wanted to know what you all think about these
> two things.

> 1. What are the chances or is it possible for Dogs to contract
> Lyme disease from eating infected deer?
2. What about CWS?

Thanks for the info...

Candee
Lexx 9 month puppy dobe
Mandee doberman adult
Wisconsin
>
>

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11. Little update re: introducing new protein
Posted by: "mmc2315" m.chelap@sbcglobal.net mmc2315
Date: Wed Nov 28, 2007 6:15 am ((PST))

Our little 10# Cairn terrier mix started on a raw diet at the beginning of November. We
started with chicken---chicken quarters, then chicken breast (bone in and boneless).

We introduced him to a slice of pork loin two days ago. As usual, he was SO excited at
mealtime, but when he dived for the pork he took one sniff, a couple licks, and looked up
at us with the funniest expression. WTH?

Thanks to this list, I knew this was normal. :) I let him explore the meat, and figured I'd
give him 15-20 minutes to decide whether to eat it or not, then I would pick it up and not
feed him until the next day.

Eventually, he ate it. Slowly, "reluctantly", start-and-stop, nothing like diving into the
chicken.

The next day, he got pork again, and he ate it quickly and enthusiastically.

So far, no loose stools, and no vomiting.

When we were at the butcher's this week, I was excited to learn they have frozen whole
rabbits. We'll do that next. We still have not introduced organ meat yet. We're content to
take it slow.

Thanks again to everyone who takes the time to answer questions over and over. It's
really helpful!

Michelle

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