[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12110

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: scared newbie
From: Bumble1994@aol.com

2a. Is there a site that ships whole frozen rabbits and the like?
From: suburbancow
2b. Re: Is there a site that ships whole frozen rabbits and the like?
From: Yasuko herron
2c. Re: Is there a site that ships whole frozen rabbits and the like?
From: Michelle Grabert
2d. Re: Is there a site that ships whole frozen rabbits and the like?
From: Giselle

3a. Re: Demodicosis mange and RAW
From: Denise Strother

4a. New Baby
From: Dcaloosa
4b. Re: New Baby
From: Sandee Lee

5a. Re: Chewing bones
From: krystal_brr

6a. Re: mange...
From: Denise Strother
6b. Re: mange...
From: Michelle Grabert
6c. Re: mange...
From: Sandee Lee

7a. Re: Oil
From: Giselle
7b. Re: Oil
From: Bumble1994@aol.com

8a. Re: Garlic - Yes or No
From: John and Jeni Blackmon

9.1. Re: Shiner doing better! (was Re: 911-PLEASE HELP)
From: ginny wilken
9.2. Re: Shiner doing better! (was Re: 911-PLEASE HELP)
From: Doguefan@aol.com

10a. Re: [raw feeding] How expired is expired
From: Shannon Hully

11a. Maggots
From: Kevin Brown
11b. Re: Maggots
From: Giselle

12a. Re: Should a Pit Bull be fed a Raw Diet?
From: Denise Strother

13a. Re: Diseases in deer/rabbit meat?
From: carnesbill

14.1. Re: Salmon Oil
From: carnesbill

15a. Re: Day 3 raw feeding;
From: carnesbill

16a. Re: Feeding Amounts
From: Loraine Jesse

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1a. Re: scared newbie
Posted by: "Bumble1994@aol.com" Bumble1994@aol.com bumble1994
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2007 6:05 pm ((PDT))

I'm glad you said that, as I hadn't noticed it being said about a cat,
before. One of my cats does this from time to time and I have just assumed that if
dogs do it for that reason, cats probably do, too. :) It has certainly never
interfered with his eagerness to eat when I do get there with breakfast!

Lynda

In a message dated 10/2/2007 6:01:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
"sarahfalkner" writes:

Once or twice Ivan vomited some clear yellowish stomach acid in the morning
when he
was very ready for breakfast but breakfast wasn't ready for him, but to no
ill effect

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2a. Is there a site that ships whole frozen rabbits and the like?
Posted by: "suburbancow" lizzieodonnell@houston.rr.com suburbancow
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2007 6:05 pm ((PDT))

Someone just mentioned a website that supplies feeder mice. It was
half of what I am paying for my snake's current feeders, but I was
wondering if there was a similar website that sells something like
whole frozen rabbits, or other animals that are not chicken beef or
pork. Am I just not looking hard enough in the phone book? I visited
about ten different meat markets and they all claim to not have any
scraps or chicken backs or any things like that. I'm just looking for
variety for my dog.

-Elizabeth O.

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2b. Re: Is there a site that ships whole frozen rabbits and the like?
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2007 6:22 pm ((PDT))

.>if there was a similar website that sells something likewhole frozen rabbits, or other >animals that are not chicken beef or pork.

Hi,Elizabeth. If you close to PA, then,you can have wide choice in Hare today Gone tomorrow site.They carry Beef,Pork,Pheasant,Mutton,tripe,chicken,Goat...

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2c. Re: Is there a site that ships whole frozen rabbits and the like?
Posted by: "Michelle Grabert" chalienme@yahoo.com chalienme
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2007 6:25 pm ((PDT))

Hi, I am in Pa. Can you give me the link to this site? thanks, michelle

Yasuko herron <sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com> wrote: .>if there was a similar website that sells something likewhole frozen rabbits, or other >animals that are not chicken beef or pork.

Hi,Elizabeth. If you close to PA, then,you can have wide choice in Hare today Gone tomorrow site.They carry Beef,Pork,Pheasant,Mutton,tripe,chicken,Goat...

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2d. Re: Is there a site that ships whole frozen rabbits and the like?
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2007 7:03 pm ((PDT))

The ones I know of are;
http://www.prey4pets.com/servlet/Categories?category=Rabbit+-+Whole+Prey
http://tinyurl.com/356mbz
http://www.rodentpro.com/catalog.asp?prod=4&label=frozen_rabbits
http://www.hare-today.com/index.php?cPath=23
TC
Giselle

> Someone just mentioned a website that supplies feeder mice. It was
> half of what I am paying for my snake's current feeders, but I was
> wondering if there was a similar website that sells something like
> whole frozen rabbits, or other animals that are not chicken beef or
> pork. Am I just not looking hard enough in the phone book? I visited
> about ten different meat markets and they all claim to not have any
> scraps or chicken backs or any things like that. I'm just looking for
> variety for my dog.
>
> -Elizabeth O.
>

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3a. Re: Demodicosis mange and RAW
Posted by: "Denise Strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2007 6:07 pm ((PDT))

Sandee is dead right. She will heal way faster on raw than without it.
I foster dogs with demodex and I don't dip them or give antibiotics, I
just put them on raw. The poisons and antibiotics will not help her
immune system. Denise

Start her on raw immediately. No better way to build up/support the
immune system then by feeding an appropriate diet! :)
Sandee & the Dane Gang

I am probably going to be fostering(adopting) a dog that has
demodicosis mange. Is it a good or bad idea to go ahead and start her
on the raw diet? Should I wait until she is completly healed first?

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4a. New Baby
Posted by: "Dcaloosa" Dcaloosa@aol.com Dcaloosa
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2007 6:14 pm ((PDT))

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New rottie pup from my friend/vet/breeder. She is veery open minded re}
raw. She insists on a high protein and calcium diet for the first 6
mos. What do you suggest? I want this pupopy to start off on RAW!

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4b. Re: New Baby
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2007 6:25 pm ((PDT))

A prey model raw diet has the perfect amount of protein, calcium and all
other nutrients necessary for proper growth of a large breed (or any) puppy.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Dcaloosa" <Dcaloosa@aol.com>

New rottie pup from my friend/vet/breeder. She is veery open minded re}
raw. She insists on a high protein and calcium diet for the first 6
mos. What do you suggest? I want this pupopy to start off on RAW!

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5a. Re: Chewing bones
Posted by: "krystal_brr" rkbarr@hughes.net krystal_brr
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2007 6:22 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "qsgirl916" <qsgirl916@...> wrote:
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> Now that I've got Fern attempting to eat the chicken, I'm noticing
that
> the real stumbling block seems to be chewing the larger pieces of
> chicken. It's like she doesn't know what to do with them.
>
I am by no means an expert, since I just started feeding raw a couple
of days ago. When I threw a chicken quarter down in front of my Titus
(17 mo old Ridgeback) he looked at me like "what is this and where is
my food?" I held it out to him and he took it and in a few minutes
got the idea, but was doing a lot of licking and trying to bite the
wing, but still not sure so after 5 minutes of watching him, I took
ahold of the meat and ripped it apart a little bit and encouraged him
and held it for him while he ripped at it, then he had the idea. But
it seemed like he needed me to hold it and rip it away for him,
before he got the idea that it was OK to rip at it and to eat the
whole thing. Then he did exactly that and with gusto, I didn't hold
it for long after I heard him crunching those bones. What a sound, no
wonder it cleans their teeth!
HOpe this helps

Krystal

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6a. Re: mange...
Posted by: "Denise Strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2007 6:25 pm ((PDT))

Demodex is not contagious to other dogs. It is an overgrowth of
mites due to a compromised immune system. Vets treat the symtom of
the problem instead of treating the probblem. The way the vets treat
demodex is to try to poison the mites. Ivermectin is the same drug
used in some heartworm meds. So, if your dog is on heartworm meds
and getting Ivermectin or being dipped in mitaban, he is getting
double dosed with poisons. How much do you figure that helps the
immune system? They often add antibiotics because of or in case of
infections of the skin due to incessant scratching. Which also
suppresses the immune system. I've had way better outcomes skipping
the poisons and antibiotics and feeding raw prey model. Classical
Homeopathy would help too. Denise

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Michelle Grabert <chalienme@...>
wrote:
this is what I can tell you from my own experience,. I had a dog
with Demo..she didn't itch and no other dogs even though kept in
with her got it. The hair and spots do take a long time to go away,
weeks and weeks,. It was treated with Ivermec orally for two weeks.
This sounds more like sarcoptic mange (scabies) which is known to
cause intence itching and spreads rapidly among dogs and humans too.
I don;t know if the treatement would be different but maybe harder
to treat and be gone>? especially with multiple dogs having it? I do
know Ivermec is suppose to knock almost anything out. But I beleive
with Scabies they may need to be on antibiotic-steroid in addition
to releive the itching. michelle

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6b. Re: mange...
Posted by: "Michelle Grabert" chalienme@yahoo.com chalienme
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2007 6:52 pm ((PDT))

I am not arguing the raw diet.. I just happen to think Ivermec is not a bad way to go to knock this out./ Mange is a royal pain in the a## and quicker gone the better. michelle

Denise Strother <denisestrother@yahoo.com> wrote: Demodex is not contagious to other dogs. It is an overgrowth of
mites due to a compromised immune system. Vets treat the symtom of
the problem instead of treating the probblem. The way the vets treat
demodex is to try to poison the mites. Ivermectin is the same drug
used in some heartworm meds. So, if your dog is on heartworm meds
and getting Ivermectin or being dipped in mitaban, he is getting
double dosed with poisons. How much do you figure that helps the
immune system? They often add antibiotics because of or in case of
infections of the skin due to incessant scratching. Which also
suppresses the immune system. I've had way better outcomes skipping
the poisons and antibiotics and feeding raw prey model. Classical
Homeopathy would help too. Denise

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Michelle Grabert <chalienme@...>
wrote:
this is what I can tell you from my own experience,. I had a dog
with Demo..she didn't itch and no other dogs even though kept in
with her got it. The hair and spots do take a long time to go away,
weeks and weeks,. It was treated with Ivermec orally for two weeks.
This sounds more like sarcoptic mange (scabies) which is known to
cause intence itching and spreads rapidly among dogs and humans too.
I don;t know if the treatement would be different but maybe harder
to treat and be gone>? especially with multiple dogs having it? I do
know Ivermec is suppose to knock almost anything out. But I beleive
with Scabies they may need to be on antibiotic-steroid in addition
to releive the itching. michelle

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6c. Re: mange...
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2007 6:58 pm ((PDT))

Well, this is getting pretty far OT, but using drugs which suppress the
immune system just because it is a quick fix is never a good idea.

It's always best to build up and support the immune system with appropriate
diet, avoid toxins and end up with a healthy dog!

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Michelle Grabert" <chalienme@yahoo.com>

> I am not arguing the raw diet.. I just happen to think Ivermec is not a
bad way to go to knock this out./ Mange is a royal pain in the a## and
quicker gone the better. michelle

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7a. Re: Oil
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2007 6:40 pm ((PDT))

Salmon oil;
http://timberwolforganics.com/pet-omega-oils

http://www.icelandpure.com/salmon_oil.htm

http://www.grizzlypetproducts.com/salmon_oil/salmon_oil.html

Fish Body oil;
http://www.google.com/products?q=fish+body+oil&btnG=Search+Products&scoring=prd
http://tinyurl.com/2yowlh
TC
Giselle

> Chris O. why not Cod liver oil? Where do I find fish body oil?
> Thanks, Susan

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7b. Re: Oil
Posted by: "Bumble1994@aol.com" Bumble1994@aol.com bumble1994
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2007 8:24 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Alicia,

My suggestion: take the CLO yourself, and pick up some fish body oil at
Walgreens or Wal-Mart or whatever. (I may even have gotten mine at K-MART. Just
be sure it doesn't have soy in it. :)

Lynda

In a message dated 10/2/2007 9:05:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
"aliciamyan" writes:

should I go ahead and use
the CLO and then switch to Salmon? I assume will go through it quick
since I'm feeding two dogs, 90lb+ GSD and a 50lb lab. Or is the risk
of overdose not worth the inconvenience of returning it to the store?
Not looking forward to returning to the pet store so soon...see message

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8a. Re: Garlic - Yes or No
Posted by: "John and Jeni Blackmon" jonjeni777@sbcglobal.net jeniavidiva
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2007 6:52 pm ((PDT))

I give my Great Danes a Brewer's Yeast and Garlic tablet that I buy at Trader Joe's because it helps against fleas and they like them as treats. (once a day or so) I also have been a long time herbalist and believe that garlic when used correctly and in moderation can be a wonderful antioxident and somewhat of an immune builder, for anyone who uses it. This can be in a form of food, or in tablet. I would ground it up in the dogs raw food, when I mix it with other things like fish oil and molassis and sometimes a little honey too. They love it. But for the smaller dogs a little can go along ways so you have to figure your amounts accordingly. I downsize it for my pomchi, she gets one tablet and in the food, she only gets a little tiny bit, but she still gets it and loves it.
Some people are totally against garlic but I believe in it, have never had any problems with it, and I think for me, the benefits are worth it. We really don't have a flea problem and my babies don't get too sick here, knock on wood:)
And when I cook with it, all the noses are in the air around here, like, when is dinner mom?! So we love it here, but you will get some feed back I'm sure against it. So you'll have to make up your own mind on this one. Do some research, try to figure out why you want it and what you would be using it for first, then see if it is worth it to you, and see if in fact the dogs would eat it, in either the food or take it like mine do in treats, if they don't like it, that might be the deal breaker right there.
Jeni

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9.1. Re: Shiner doing better! (was Re: 911-PLEASE HELP)
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2007 7:48 pm ((PDT))

On Oct 2, 2007, at 11:13 AM, Doguefan@aol.com wrote:

> She has tried chunks too big before, and just did the normal vomit
> and try again.? This time I believe it was too awkward and
> frenchies has short little pallets and tracheas anyway; maybe have
> had gotten down and she could not get it up. She ended up CHOKING
> (yes, she was choking)because the stress on the soft tissue closed
> down on her wind pipe.? My Dad as an ER doc see's so many choking
> cases and was very knowledgable of exactly what happened.? He of
> course tells me I am nuts to be feeding raw...at least to such a
> little dog he adds.? He has seen the way my big dogs eat without a
> hitch.?
> It is posted on here all the time that chicken breats are a great
> way to go for little puppies.? I am so very careful with what I
> feed.? I also tried the heimlich(which I know how to do) but this
> thing was not budging which why she could not get it up herself.?
> Thank goodness her little muscles were able to push it down into
> her stomach finally, but there was so much damage done to her throat.?

I realize this was a terrifying experience, but technically this was
not choking, as long as she kept breathing. If she had been choking,
her airway would have been closed off completely, and the Heimlich
would have worked because of the pressure it puts in the airway. Do
you keep a hemostat around? These are really handy to grab stuff in
the throat. Pushing it down with a finger works well, too. When a dog
chokes, they start to pass out and all the muscles relax, and it's
pretty easy to deal with the obstruction at that point. If they're
still fighting, they're not choking, just having some trouble.

The extremes to which we breed dog shapes is the reason why some
breeds may have difficulty with certain sizes and shapes of prey.
It's kind of hard to imagine what a Frenchie would eat in the wild,
as in the wild such a dog would not last long. That said, there is
never, ever, a justification for not feeding raw, and there is always
a way to provide raw food in a way that satisfies ALL the benefits of
dental hygiene, nutritional variety, and entertainment and
stimulation. The key is to keep experimenting, and to be ready to
deal with difficulties in whatever way they present. There are quite
a few raw Frenchie feeders out there, and they speak of all the usual
sort of big chunks and roasts, bones smothered in meat, whole
chickens, etc. So it can be done, and you can do it. I suspect the
answer will be in bigger, tougher, pieces which she has to gnaw off
herself.

Carry on! You're doing fine!

ginny and Tomo

All stunts performed without a net!

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9.2. Re: Shiner doing better! (was Re: 911-PLEASE HELP)
Posted by: "Doguefan@aol.com" Doguefan@aol.com knoxkennels
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2007 8:35 pm ((PDT))

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I understand the difference between she choked (limp) and choking-eyes bulgin, thrashing, making no noise..? This dogs turned totally white and shocky and then blue.? I am pretty sure she was choking.? It is also hard, when the throat of such a small dog is completly closed in on a wind pipe, and trying to get to a vet.? This was beyond terrifying, I was watching this little puppy die in my hands.? I read everything on here, and I have always seen chicken breats recomended for little puppies.?
I do plan on moving forward with the raw very cautiously

Chelsea

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10a. Re: [raw feeding] How expired is expired
Posted by: "Shannon Hully" summerwolf@theherbalhotline.com bluehankw
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2007 8:22 pm ((PDT))

Hmm, let's try this again, I got an error message last time I tried
to respond.

I got three year old venison from Freecycle and it looks awesome! My
dog (who has been on raw for two and a half weeks) is absolutely ga-
ga over it and has had no illness to speak of from it (at either end)
since starting it a week and a half ago. Go for it!

Shannon H.

>
> Well, my freecycle ad worked - I have response from someone that has
> meat from '05 and '06 - of course I know '06 would be alright...but
> from '05??? Can dogs handle that kinda stuff?
>
> --
> Brandi
> Bartlesville, Ok
> www.obediencetrainingclubofbartlesville.com
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11a. Maggots
Posted by: "Kevin Brown" jerseykev@aol.com noblarneyzone
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2007 8:23 pm ((PDT))

I was working outside today.

I brought the two little ladies out with me.

On of them unearthed a pig's foot that was buried some time ago.

I walked over and she was having a jolly old time.

I noticed a maggot, so i tossed it.

She is fine. Ate a good dinner after that. No problems.

Is there anything I should know about maggots?

Thanks.

Kevin Brown

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11b. Re: Maggots
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2007 9:16 pm ((PDT))

That they're good protein?
http://ift.confex.com/ift/2005/techprogram/paper_31685.htm
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Giselle

<snip>
> Is there anything I should know about maggots?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Kevin Brown

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12a. Re: Should a Pit Bull be fed a Raw Diet?
Posted by: "Denise Strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2007 8:24 pm ((PDT))

'Mater of fact check out the American Temperment Test Society site,
ATTS.com maybe, or just google it. They have a section showing all of
the breeds that they've tested and how many of each they've tested. It
goes on to show how many of each breed passed the test. The statistics
might surprise many of you. Denise

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Jen S" <jennilist@...> wrote:
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> > Tell your dad that raw is good gor Pits.
>
> And that Pits are just like any other dog. They are not more
> aggressive than any other breed. My 3 year old pittie boy has been
> rawfed for a year and a half and he's a big baby.

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13a. Re: Diseases in deer/rabbit meat?
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2007 8:27 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Shannon Hully" <summerwolf@...>
wrote:
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> My husband's concern with feeding wildlife is the worry
> of diseases
> such as Distemper, Rabies, etc.

I'm not sure if they can be caught oraly or not either. Generally I
am not too concerned about anything that must pass through the
stomach because of the high acidity levels of the stomach juices. I
know the stomach juices kill e-coli, salmonella and other serious
bacteria. I don't know why it wouldn't kill distemper and rabies.
The greatest majority of animals that our dogs would possibly eat
don't get rabies anyway. I think racoons would be just about the
only ones. I'm not sure what animals get distemper.

My dogs have had both rabies and distemper shots so that is another
reason not to be too concerned about them. Also remember, many wild
carnivores eat other wild animals on a daily basis. I don't think
these diseases are all that prevelant among them.

Catching, killing, and eating prey animals is the natural way for
our dogs. Their bodies are designed to handle adversity. They are
well equipped for it.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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14.1. Re: Salmon Oil
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2007 8:29 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "cr008k" <crakoczy@...> wrote:
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> For those who don't feed salmon oil, how much fish/ what
> percentage of
> the diet is composed of fish? Is feeding whole fish a realistic
way
> of providing the same nutrients (esp w/ molly's itchiness)

Fish doesn't need to be a major part of the diet. I feed it maybe
once a week. Mostly canned salmon or mackerel, sometimes frozen
fish that has been given to me one way or another.

I don't know about how much good feeding fish will do your dog's
itchiness. It depends on the cause.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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15a. Re: Day 3 raw feeding;
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2007 8:30 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "alexanderdewey"
<alexanderdewey@...> wrote:
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> Day 1. Big slimey poop - looked like passed the whole quarter
> chicken all chewed up.

I would guess it was leftover kibble.

> Day 2. Threw up most of the quarter chicken about 10
> minutes after
> she ate. Most of it looked well chewed, but there was some bone
> that hadn't been chewed up enough. She slurped everything back up
> and re-chewed the boney parts. Later in the afternoon, when she
> pooped, she made just a few small hard pieces. Late at night, she
> was looking hungry, so I gave her a drumstick.

Sounds normal. Pay no attention to "looking hungry". It can/will
be a cause of your dog getting overweight and therefore unhealthy.

> Day 3. She left the tip of the drumstick bone in a puddle of
> stomach bile. I fed her a quarter chicken a little later. Walked
> her a couple of times but again, she has only made very
> little hard
> poops. Not much volume.

Still sounds normal :)

> I've read a lot here about how feeding raw reduces the amount of
> poop, but seriously, where is all this chicken going?

It's digesting and circulating through the dogs body as nutrients.

> If I've already given her the recommended amount
> of food for the day, should I feed her again? It's REALLY
> HARD not to feed this hungry looking dog...

Buck up and understand how much harm you do a dog by overfeeding.
Also don't worry too much about "recommended" amounts. Feed her
what it takes to keep her trim and sexy but not skinny. It might be
more than you are feeding now or more probably, less than you are
feeding now. You will be changing volume from time to time.

> Other than that, just gonna stick with chicken quarters for a few
> weeks maybe throwing in an organ here or there. I consider these
> past 3 days a success, so just gonna keep taking it slow.

I would hold off on organs for a month or two. They are one thing
that can really throw a monkey wrench into the works. Sounds like
all is going well now. There is no need to rush anything.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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16a. Re: Feeding Amounts
Posted by: "Loraine Jesse" rothburg@hotmail.com loraine_jesse
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2007 8:31 pm ((PDT))

Super. Thank-you for sharing Tycho's menue
Loraine Jesse
www.rothburgrottweilers.com

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