[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12107

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1.1. Re: Salmon Oil
From: Andrea

2a. Re: First day: throw up, please advice
From: morales4758
2b. Re: First day: throw up, please advice
From: costrowski75

3a. I would like to learn more about raw food !
From: chantalecote
3b. Re: I would like to learn more about raw food !
From: carnesbill
3c. Re: I would like to learn more about raw food !
From: Andrea

4a. Re: Feeding sick puppy (was: runns in house & gagging)
From: Andrea

5.1. Re: 911-PLEASE HELP
From: Doguefan@aol.com
5.2. Shiner doing better! (was Re: 911-PLEASE HELP)
From: Andrea

6a. Re: Adding on to Supplement Question
From: carnesbill

7a. Re: Salmon oil questions and.....
From: Andrea
7b. Re: Salmon oil questions and.....
From: carnesbill
7c. Re: Salmon oil questions and.....
From: costrowski75
7d. Re: Salmon oil questions and.....
From: Carol Dunster

8a. Re: scared newbie
From: Andrea
8b. Re: scared newbie
From: sphynxlover2
8c. Re: scared newbie
From: costrowski75
8d. Re: scared newbie
From: girlndocs

9a. Re: Shedding on raw
From: Josephine Morningstar

10a. ADMIN: Kibble
From: GWB

11a. Success!
From: Shannon Hully

12.1. newbie
From: nrskay

13a. Re: Dog Sick to Stomach
From: alexanderdewey

14a. Feeding Amounts Answers
From: krystal_brr

15a. Re: Updates?
From: Brandi Bryant

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1.1. Re: Salmon Oil
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2007 7:33 am ((PDT))

> 1. Do I feed salmon oil every day, once a week or what?

I try to feed once a day

> 2. How many mgs. or capsules do I feed at a time (per body weight)?

When I look for fish oil I try to get 1000mg capsules that contain at
least 180mg EPA and 120mg DHA each. Geiger gets a maintenance dose -
1000mg per 20lb of dog. Tycho gets a theraputic dose - 1000mg per
10lb of dog.

> 3. For those of you who use the salmon oil capsules, do you
> actually feed the capsules or do you squirt the contents on the
> meat?

It probably depends on the dog, but mine eat the capsules like they
are treats. The fish oil has helped Tycho tremendously with his
itchy skin, not to mention he lost all trace of "doggy smell." Now
if I could only keep him from laying down in every puddle he sees I
would never have to bathe him.

Andrea

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2a. Re: First day: throw up, please advice
Posted by: "morales4758" morales4758@yahoo.com morales4758
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2007 7:34 am ((PDT))

Thank you Andrea. I am going to the butcher shop right now

Mariana

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2b. Re: First day: throw up, please advice
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2007 9:09 am ((PDT))

"morales4758" <morales4758@...> wrote:
>
> Today I feed my lab (7 years) with chicken(drumsticks) without to
much
> meat. I took away some meat.
> He throw up a few minutes later and the bones were very sharp
> Any advice?
*****
Too much bone, yes. Not enough meat, yes. Not enough experience,
yes. Anything to worry about? No.

The bones were sharp because they were newly crushed. Once in the
digestive system, they destruct quite quickly. Almost certainly they
were horked up because they were new and different and weird
feeling. But since your dog did not suffer from the vomit, I'd say
there's no harm no foul.

Next time feed ALL the meat the drumstick comes with. Next time,
perhaps it would be easier on the both of you to feed a rib-in
chicken breast and leave the drums for later.

What you definitely need to do is browse the list archives to see
what others have done when they were brand new.
Chris O

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3a. I would like to learn more about raw food !
Posted by: "chantalecote" chantalecote@yahoo.com chantalecote
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2007 7:34 am ((PDT))

MODERATORS NOTE:SIGN YOUR MAILS!!!

I am a new member and I dont know anything about raw food what is the
best website to learn more about raw food for dogs and any place they
give what sould I give and the quantity?

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3b. Re: I would like to learn more about raw food !
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2007 7:56 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "chantalecote" <chantalecote@...>
wrote:
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> I am a new member and I dont know anything about raw food what is the
> best website to learn more about raw food for dogs and any place they
> give what sould I give and the quantity?

Get the book "Work Wonders" by Tom Lonsdale. You may download the
book for $9.95 from http://www.ebookmall.com/ebooks-authors/tom-
lonsdale-ebooks.htm or order hard copy either at

http://www.dogwise.com or at http://www.amazon.com (cheaper).

A few informative web sites are:
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm (My web page)
http://rawfeddogs.net/

--- be sure and check the recipes page.
http://www.rawlearning.com/rawfaq.html
http://www.rawfed.com/myths/index.html

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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3c. Re: I would like to learn more about raw food !
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2007 8:25 am ((PDT))

Truth be told, this is the best website for learning. You can also
check out http://www.rawlearning.com and if you want a book you can
buy "Work Wonders" by Tom Lonsdale.

The basics: For the first week or two feed one protein only (chicken
is the most common starter) but eventually you want to feed a variety
of parts from a variety of animals. Overall you want to feed mostly
meat, some bone, and some organs. A good starting point is to feed
dogs 2% of their ideal ADULT weight every day.

Keep reading the posts on this list and you'll quickly get a good idea
about starting a species appropriate diet for your carnivore
companion. Ask as many questions as you need.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "chantalecote" <chantalecote@...>
wrote:

> I am a new member and I dont know anything about raw food what is the
> best website to learn more about raw food for dogs and any place they
> give what sould I give and the quantity?
>

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4a. Re: Feeding sick puppy (was: runns in house & gagging)
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2007 7:34 am ((PDT))

I'm so sorry that you and Whisper had to go through this and I hope she
feels better soon. I agree with Giselle, plain boring boneless chicken
breast sounds best in this situation. She might end up with runny poo
from the boneless meals, so after a day or two you might want to leave
the bone in the breast. Please let us know how she does.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "T Smith" <coldbeach@...> wrote:

> Any other suggestions of small, easy to swollen raw I can get for
> her for the next few days? She's not eating bone right now so how
> to avoid diarrhea? Her poop all day has been normal. Only last
> night was the runny poo.

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5.1. Re: 911-PLEASE HELP
Posted by: "Doguefan@aol.com" Doguefan@aol.com knoxkennels
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2007 7:34 am ((PDT))

Hello Carla!? Thank you everyone for your advice.? I immediately told the vet NOT to do surgery.? His reasoning was he did not think it would pass and he was worried about pancreatitis??I had my Dad call him, who is a human ER doc, the vet gave him NO problems :), my dad told him to give the steroids and antibiotics for the throat and that was all.? I picked her up late last night, again, against vet orders, and she looked like her noraml self!!!? It was incredible, as I was sure she was not going to make it.?

I just moved here, and I did not have the time to drive two hours to my? old vet, but will be finding a different one here for sure.? "Shiner" , is doing great this morning, aside form the fact that I just can't bring myself to feed her raw again.? I thought a chicken breast was the easiest of things to eat.? Needless to say I am soooo scared.

She is happy and hungry today, and she is drinking too.? She has pee'd this morning, but no bowel movement yet.

Thanks again everyone!

Chelsea

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From: Maiakitas@aol.com
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 5:41 am
Subject: Re: [rawfeeding] Re: 911-PLEASE HELP

Hi,

Is there any news on the condition of the Frenchie baby? I wish her and her
owner well. She was in all of the Akita prayers last night. :o)

Warm Regards,
Carla

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5.2. Shiner doing better! (was Re: 911-PLEASE HELP)
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2007 7:56 am ((PDT))

I'm so glad that Shiner is all better! I know it was a very scary
situation, but before you swear off a species appropriate diet, let's
try and figure out what happened in the first place. How big is Shiner
and how big was the chicken breast she choked on? Was it cut up or
whole?

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Doguefan@... wrote:

> "Shiner" , is doing great this morning, aside form the fact that I
> just can't bring myself to feed her raw again.? I thought a chicken
> breast was the easiest of things to eat.? Needless to say I am
> soooo scared.

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6a. Re: Adding on to Supplement Question
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2007 7:35 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "nlhp4" <nlhp4@...> wrote:
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> General census from the vet and others is that this grass
> eathing is
> their natural "wolf" instinct to find the digestive enzymes
> needed to
> digest some of the raw food they are fed, and some nutrients
> as well.

Have you considered that they eat grass because they like it? Have
you noticed that the grass comes out one end or the other in exactly
the same form as it went in? As far as I know, there are no
digestive enzymes nor needed nutrients in grass. Often dogs eat
grass just because its fun, not because any nutrient is lacking in
their diet.

> I live in a city where grass and crab apples may not always
> be their
> best form of getting what they are missing as I can not
> control what
> these things are treated with, so now what can I give them to help
> them feel more balanced?

I can assure you they are not eating grass because they are missing
something in their diet. Don't concern yourself so much
with "balance". No one can define exactly what a balanced diet is
for either humans or dogs. Feed a raw meat, bones, and organs from
a variety of animals ... a variety of animal parts and balance is
automatically taken care of by nature.

> I have tried human vegetables like peas and carrots (raw) but they
> seem to come out the other end exactly how they went in so I don't
> think they are getting what they need there, not to mention
> the grass
> eating hasn't gotten any better.

Dogs are carnivores. They have no nutritional need for any plant
material at all.

> Thus far I have been recommended with a barley or other form
> of grass
> supplement type thing that can be fed as a treat or with
> the meal.

I recommend that you not worry about it. If they want to eat grass,
let them. They have no nutritional need for any plant material at
all.

> Anyone have any other suggestions on what to give them to appease
> their need for grass and crab apples other than moving to
> the country so they can eat grass?

They can eat grass and crab apples when they are available if they
want to and they can do without it very well when they are not
available. Thats exactly what wild wolves would do.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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7a. Re: Salmon oil questions and.....
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2007 7:37 am ((PDT))

"lauraanimal1" <lauraanimal1@...>
> I asked in a prevous post about my rottie eating mostly bone even
> with plenty of meat, is this dangerous for her?

Once in a while boney meals are fine, but best avoided when starting
out. Lots of newbie dogs end up with bone bit vomits, chalky stools,
or loose stools as a result of a meal that was too boney. After they
are accustomed to the diet it's ok.

> I also asked about the runny eyes, and how long it lasts

I didn't answer this one before because I haven't experienced runny
eyes with switched pups. I have heard people ask about it though.
From previous posts it sounds like the goopy eyes last a couple
months at most? Maybe someone who has experienced it will jump in.
FWIW, my GSP mix, Geiger, has a white face and he doesn't have
problems with tear stains.

> as well as her being one one meat protien, how long can she be on
> it before it turns unhealthy?

Unfortunately, there is no hard and fast rule for this. I've heard
tell of people who feed chicken a la chicken for ages and their dogs
are ok. My thought is, if we are going so far as to provide a
species appropriate diet, why not take the extra step and give as
much variety as we can? Sometimes life gets in the way and we have
to make compromises for weeks, sometimes months which is perfectly
ok. During college I didn't eat much more than cup o'noodles and
Taco Bell bean burritos which I'm sure wasn't good for me, but it
didn't cause any super bad long term effects. Do what you can,
strive to give a better diet. As long as you are feeding the general
ratio of meat/bone/organ you'll still be better off than feeding
ki**le.

Andrea

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7b. Re: Salmon oil questions and.....
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2007 8:25 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Andrea" <poketmouse45@...> wrote:
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> Once in a while boney meals are fine, but best avoided
> when starting
> out. Lots of newbie dogs end up with bone bit vomits,
> chalky stools,
> or loose stools as a result of a meal that was too boney.
> After they
> are accustomed to the diet it's ok.

I have to disagree here. I have helped well over 100 dogs begin a
raw diet. I recommend nothing but chicken backs the first week of
eating raw. Yes, sometimes they will have some bone chards in vomit
or in their stools and rarely will have white chalky stools. Never
once has one been harmed by this and never once has any of them had
diarrhea that so many dogs have the first few weeks of eating raw.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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7c. Re: Salmon oil questions and.....
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2007 8:35 am ((PDT))

Carol Dunster <cedunster@...> wrote:
> If you can get eggs from really truly free ranging chickens or ducks,
> they will have O3 in them too.
*****
Carol, it goes without saying that any animal raised on its species
appropriate diet will absolutely deliver more and better nutrition than
its inappropriately fed counterpart. So it certainly do make sense
that chicken eggs would be so gifted.

Still and all, in most cases the EASIEST source is FBO. Not that it
fully atones for all the sins of agribusiness!
Chris O

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7d. Re: Salmon oil questions and.....
Posted by: "Carol Dunster" cedunster@centurytel.net carwynst
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2007 9:00 am ((PDT))

On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 15:35:35 -0000, you wrote:

>Still and all, in most cases the EASIEST source is FBO. Not that it
>fully atones for all the sins of agribusiness!

Yep! and the EASIEST way to feed my dogs is kibble. However, I am
wanting a bit more for them. :) You can buy "pastured" or "free
range" sources eggs in most grocery stores, but those labels may or
may not mean much of anything.

Let's face it, if we want to eat well, we will have to do some leg
work to find real food for ourselves and for our pets. Knowing what is
"real" food and what isn't is a part of that leg work. It is not an
"easy" way to eat, but real food has real health and real flavor on
it's side. I don't do that for everything, but I'm thinking that every
bit I do manage improves my health overall.

I grow my own eggs too, it's actually a lot of fun, though not
cheaper. I know I'm getting good nutrition for us and for our dogs.

~ Carol
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8a. Re: scared newbie
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2007 7:55 am ((PDT))

Yeah, unfortunately we haven't had the best week ever, but at least all
you newbies know we aren't censoring the posts so the scary ones don't
come through! Choking is scary, but you have to feed smart so the dog
doesn't try any stupid eating. How do you feed smart? Dogs choke on
things when they are too big to comfortably fit down their throat.
Dogs don't eat like humans and chew their food before swallowing, they
crunch it into a manageable size piece before it goes down the hatch.
The problem is that we as new operators often feed stuff that is small
enough for the dog to *think* it can swallow it. The answer isn't to
feed chopped up bits or ground food, it is to feed BIG food that even
the most adventurous dog knows it can't swallow.

Smashing bone is not the answer either, it just makes the food floppy
and more swallowable in the dog's eyes.

Bones slathered in meat don't often scratch up throats on the way down,
so don't feed bare bones, feed bones covered in meat. HTH.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "c.bednar" <itsagilitytime@...>
wrote:
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> Hello all, I posted the scared about bones question and I appreciate
> the advice and support of this group. However the frenchie and the
> great dane that choked have got me scared again. Does anyone smash or
> break up the bones before giving to there dogs? How do I know if my
> dogs are chewing the bones enough to not cause damage? Thanks to all
> that reply. Carmie
>

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8b. Re: scared newbie
Posted by: "sphynxlover2" AST42701@aol.com sphynxlover2
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2007 7:57 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Brandi Bryant" <bbryant573@...>
wrote:
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> >>> Does anyone smash or
> break up the bones before giving to there dogs? How do I know if my
> dogs are chewing the bones enough to not cause damage? Thanks to all
> that reply. Carmie<<<<

Hi Carmie,
I have been feeding my pups (a Chi and an AmStaff-both 6 yrs) and my
2 Sphynx raw for the last three months, so I think I'm still
considered a newbie. Like yourself, I was completely terrified about
bones at first. I hovered over all four pets like a hawk while they
ate. After the second week though, we were all "old pros" and my
worry about bones flew out the window. I found that not watching
them helped, though I never left the room, I just redirected my
attention to clean-up. They are always done eating before I'm
finished cleaning up (I bleach everything) and I just listen to them
to be sure everyone's okay. On a couple occasions, one of them has
tried to swallow something that was too large to fit. I never panic,
instead telling myself that nature equipped them to deal with this.
And besides, if they aren't panicky, then why should I be? Sure
enough, they hoark it back up, chew, re-adjust, and swallow a second
time-always with success. This has happened to both my dogs and my
cats. I stuck with chicken and game hen bones at first because *I*
felt better about them being soft. You can always do that at first
until you are more comfortable with feeding bones.

On a slightly unrelated note, my AmStaff has always been a picky
eater, even being slightly thin at times throughout his life. He ate
premium kibble most of that time and I almost never saw him finish a
meal. We had a rough first month and a half on raw because he just
didn't understand it was food, but now he meets me in the kitchen
when it's dinner time. In his six years with me, I've never seen him
so excited to eat. There is something so satisfying about seeing him
satisfied.

I know it's scary at first. I think everyone who feeds raw has
probably been there at some point. Just remember that it's what
nature intended and I'm sure your pups will be fine.
Good luck!
Rachelle in MS

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8c. Re: scared newbie
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2007 9:02 am ((PDT))

"c.bednar" <itsagilitytime@...> wrote:
However the frenchie and the
> great dane that choked have got me scared again. Does anyone smash or
> break up the bones before giving to there dogs? How do I know if my
> dogs are chewing the bones enough to not cause damage?
*****
You have read of two instances of choking. No, not choking--perceived
choking. Before you allow two successfully resolved incidents to
determine your decision, consider all the dogs who DID NOT choke. If
you would like, we could have another "Don't Nobody Bring Me No Bad
News" Day in which the humdrum, run-of-the-mill ordinary rawfed
experiences are related. Boy, it gets boring! Message after message
of nothing happening. Hundreds of inches of cybertext with nothing to
note but healthy, happy, well-fed dogs.

If you understand the physiology of the dog, if you feed sensibly for
that physiology, if you do not let mythology get in the way--you and
your dog will do WONDERFULLY. Really.

Dogs don't chew as we do. They do not have the equipment to make it
happen. They grab, smash, gnash, crush, mash, nibble, bite, rip, tear,
slime the stuff with saliva, move it around a bit, and swallow. And if
it doesn't go down good, the food is brought back up for more
demolition work. That's about as close to chewing as a dog gets.

Breaking up bones does nothing to help the dog figure out how to eat.
Practice and experience are the answer. Your dog needs on the job
training. And you need to know what to do if indeed your dog chokes
(from anything, including tennis balls and socks), just so you can rely
on good old you for support.
Chris O

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8d. Re: scared newbie
Posted by: "girlndocs" girlndocs@hotmail.com girlndocs
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2007 9:35 am ((PDT))

Hi Carmie,

What you gotta keep in mind is that there's something like 10,000
members in this group. Ten THOUSAND.

We can safely assume the majority of them are actually feeding raw
prey-model diet, I think. Some of those people have multiple dogs.

Two cases of "choking" are really not a lot compared to those kids of
numbers.

Additionally, there were other risk factors: the Frenchie was a pup,
and they tend to be a little clumsy with their eating I think. And the
Dane was fed something that was probably inappropriate for him at the
time.

Remember, kibble-fed dogs choke too. Dogs choke on their food, they
choke on their chew toys, they choke on stuff they find and gulp down
like ninnies. I don't think there's any evidence that the risk of
choking is greater on a raw diet than on any other diet.

Kristin

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9a. Re: Shedding on raw
Posted by: "Josephine Morningstar" josephine.morningstar@gmail.com jomorningstar
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2007 8:24 am ((PDT))

I wonder if its like with horses.. some that are given more protein content
then they are used to.. (some meats have more then others. such as turkey is
very high in protein) as i found when given more protein that my older horse
shed constantly. just NOW remembered that what i had used to supplement his
diet was soy meal.

AND was reading earlier this morning. that soy is an estrogen based protein.
AND that if animals are FED soy in their diet.. that its also putting
estrogen into their muscle.. IE: the meat that dogs eat..

might be a case of finding out where the meat is grown? and what feeds they
are being given. not sure if that is an option to switch.. though??

"My dogs are shedding like the dickens now. Anyone have any idea what's
> going on and what I can do to help alleviate it? I do give them fish oils
> in
> (as per the dosages recommended here) their diet 2-3 times a week. "
>
>

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Native American in Massachusetts

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10a. ADMIN: Kibble
Posted by: "GWB" chiksika@comcast.net kioqua
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2007 8:29 am ((PDT))

There will be NO discussions about feeding kibble in any form or
fashion, period. ALL posts attempted will be deleted without a thought.

Question or comment??

rawfeeding-owner@yahoogroups.com

Gerry Brierley-mod guy

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11a. Success!
Posted by: "Shannon Hully" summerwolf@theherbalhotline.com bluehankw
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2007 8:42 am ((PDT))

> I think that's part of why the books make it so hard. WHO would
pay
> good money for a book whose entire message is "Get a chicken. Feed
> it."?

***I nearly spat my drink all over my keyboard reading that! ROFL

Well, having no friends who feed raw I had to crow on here, hehe. :-)

My Grey had his first bone that wasn't chicken this morning (from a
hunk of pork roast) and he had a grand old time working on that.
Didn't finish it but seeing as it was his first bone that actually
took *work* I wasn't surprised by that. He just loved it! You could
see the look of: "Oh yes, *THIS* is what I've been wanting!" on his
face.

Now, the "success" part of this (hence the subject name) comes from
what Chris said: >and whatever the cat doesn't eat.

He is allowed to clean up after the cats are done, when I give him
the go-ahead(took a bit of work for that but we got the idea down,
hehe). He happily slurps up any liver and blood, and after the first
look of horror at me offering him a foot, the feet are now on his
menu. He's eaten a chick and half of a guinea pig. He even figured
out that rat tails is good eatin'. But his one hold-out has been
quail chicks (3 weeks old). He'd rush over, sniff them, and then
turn his nose away. I'd hold them out to him... same thing. (He
would, however, eat the legs that my cats seem to feel are beneath
them).

Last night I had the brainstorm of giving him one frozen as I was
grabbing out two for the cats' breakfast for today.

He took one sniff at it and happily trotted to his blanket, laid
down, and proceeded to eat the whole thing!! (He got loads of praise
for that one!)

So, for whatever reason, quail smell bad warmed up but fully edible
frozen. :-D

Shannon H. and Darwin, who's found a way to enjoy all types of meat
he's encountered so far.

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12.1. newbie
Posted by: "nrskay" kay.mardesich@charter.net nrskay
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2007 8:59 am ((PDT))

I'm new to rawfeeding. I have a 4yo afgan hound, she has been eating
the raw diet very well for the past 2 weeks. This am, she looked at
the food and walked away and laid down.

Do they do that at times, fast a meal on their own? I have been only
feeding chicken and turkey ground meat. She is a little thin due to
hating k***l in the past 4 years. Her stools are fine, she hasn't
vomited or choked on any bones.

Kay

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13a. Re: Dog Sick to Stomach
Posted by: "alexanderdewey" alexanderdewey@yahoo.com alexanderdewey
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2007 9:00 am ((PDT))

I knew he slid him an onion since he was stinkin' up the house.

Copied from the web:

Onions destroy red blood cells and can cause anemia, weakness, and
breathing difficulty. Even small amounts can cause cumulative damage
over time. This includes onions or chives - raw, powdered, dehydrated,
or cooked.

I don't know how accurate this is, but I've always taken heed to it.

Alex Dewey

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14a. Feeding Amounts Answers
Posted by: "krystal_brr" rkbarr@hughes.net krystal_brr
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2007 9:34 am ((PDT))

Thanks for all the responsess that I got, they really help.

The unknown is always a little scary, and I just needed some
reassurance.

Titus and Mino thank you for the info!

Krystal

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15a. Re: Updates?
Posted by: "Brandi Bryant" bbryant573@gmail.com bbryant573
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2007 9:44 am ((PDT))

>>>Any updates on the Frenchie who choked or the dog who ate the avacado
pit?<<<

Any updates on the person that said she had Enough, quitting raw? Did she
give up, did she get another opinion from the vet, did go buy more raw meat
after dh threw all of your away???

Brandi

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Bartlesville, Ok
www.obediencetrainingclubofbartlesville.com

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