[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12101

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Prepared Raw
From: Andrea
1b. Re: Prepared Raw
From: costrowski75
1c. Re: Prepared Raw
From: girlndocs

2a. Re: {raw feeding} Link for Graigs list
From: Andrea

3a. Re: moving on to next protien
From: Andrea
3b. Re: moving on to next protien
From: Shannon Hully
3c. Re: moving on to next protien
From: costrowski75

4a. Re: runns in house & gagging!
From: Andrea
4b. Re: runns in house & gagging!
From: costrowski75
4c. Re: runns in house & gagging
From: T Smith

5a. Re: First RAW WITH BONES served today!!
From: Andrea

6a. Re: Day 4 of Raw and WILD!
From: Stephanie Sorensen
6b. Re: Day 4 of Raw and WILD!
From: kaylsraven

7a. Re: Frustrated and cannot find any answers -I'm In The Same Boat
From: Andrea
7b. Re: Frustrated and cannot find any answers -I'm In The Same Boat
From: Maiakitas@aol.com

8a. Re: Frustrated and cannot find any answers
From: Dawn Ruhl
8b. Re: Frustrated and cannot find any answers
From: costrowski75
8c. Re: Frustrated and cannot find any answers
From: Daisy Foxworth

9a. Re: How often for different organs?
From: costrowski75
9b. Re: How often for different organs?
From: Carol Dunster

10a. Re: Feeding pills in RAW/Temperment & RAW
From: Laura Atkinson

11a. Re: Cheap meat
From: girlndocs

12a. Re: A few problems with raw diet
From: suburbancow

13.1. New to raw
From: teribean7481

14. Re: [rawfeeding] Re:  Frustrated and cannot find any answers -I'm
From: Maiakitas@aol.com

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1a. Re: Prepared Raw
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Mon Oct 1, 2007 6:52 am ((PDT))

I thought about getting some prefab raw stuff when I went out of town
for two weeks and left my boys with bf's parents. Eventually I just
ended up giving them portioned chickens because I couldn't bring myself
to spend so much money on the prefab stuff. Not to mention it is
really difficult to find some without an array of veggies and
supplements in there that they don't need. Besides the fact that
prefab food is ground and doesn't offer any dental benefit to the dogs.

"Preparing" a good raw diet is much easier and cheaper than you might
imagine. Does it take some inital legwork to get going? Yes. Unless
you live in an already "established" raw area with lots of fellow
feeders to help you out, it takes some time to find sources of good
cheap foods. Fortunately, dogs and people do best when you take your
time with introducing new foods. In the time that it takes to get the
dogs used to chicken, pork, beef, turkey and organs (all of which can
be fount at the market for a decent price) you'll have had lots of time
to find a buying group, ethnic markets, hunters, butchers, and maybe a
freezer.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Dcaloosa" <Dcaloosa@...> wrote:

> I am transitioning to raw for my Rotties and am happy with the results
> so far, but as yet have not taken the plunge into preparing it
> myself.....due to many reasons that may be resolved someday.....like
> work, freezer space, etc......but anyway, does anyone have experience
> using the top quality prepared raw diets, like Halshan, Bravo, etc? I
> am experimenting with them. Please feel free to bombard me with info!
>

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1b. Re: Prepared Raw
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Oct 1, 2007 9:46 am ((PDT))

"Dcaloosa" <Dcaloosa@...> wrote:
does anyone have experience
> using the top quality prepared raw diets, like Halshan, Bravo, etc? I
> am experimenting with them. Please feel free to bombard me with info!
*****
This list neither recommends or supports commercial prefab food. You
can take your question to RawChat or private: it is off topic for the
rawfeeding list and further posts will be redirected.
Chris O
Moderation Team

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1c. Re: Prepared Raw
Posted by: "girlndocs" girlndocs@hotmail.com girlndocs
Date: Mon Oct 1, 2007 9:50 am ((PDT))

Prepare what? ;) Take meat. Throw on floor for dog. Wash hands. Done!

Those premade raw diets are hysterically overpriced. Waste of money if
you ask me.

Kristin

> as yet have not taken the plunge into preparing it
> myself.....

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2a. Re: {raw feeding} Link for Graigs list
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Mon Oct 1, 2007 6:53 am ((PDT))

I think you want Craig's list
http://www.craigslist.org

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Brandi Bryant" <bbryant573@...>
wrote:
>
> I tried getting it though yahoo groups and didn't come up with
> anything. Does any one have the actual link?

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3a. Re: moving on to next protien
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Mon Oct 1, 2007 6:53 am ((PDT))

If they have proven to have sensitive tummies you might want to add
small amounts of pork to chicken meals and slowly increase the ratio of
pork to chicken until they can eat a whole pork meal. Pork is a lot
fattier than chicken is and often loosens up stools. I am a big fan of
pork shoulder roasts (also called picnics) and slabs of pork ribs.
Pretty much andy large piece of pork works well, just stay away from
anything with small cut bones in it (like chops and country style ribs).

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Heather" <hpav061378@...> wrote:
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> ok I am getting ready to move onto pork for my greyhounds. I stayed
> alittle longer with the chicken and introduced the liver alittle at a
> time becase of sensitive tummies and cannon butt. I want to try some
> pork now but dont know what to start with. My Leo needs more bone in
> his diet so what can yall suggest for me? thanks Heather
>

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3b. Re: moving on to next protien
Posted by: "Shannon Hully" summerwolf@theherbalhotline.com bluehankw
Date: Mon Oct 1, 2007 8:14 am ((PDT))

My Grey just started pork this weekend! :-) I started him with a pork
heart I had and he dug right into it. I have a roast I just chopped up
that we're going to start on at dinner tonight. I figured the heart
had little to no fat (especially since I got it from someone who raised
it naturally) so it would maybe be the best starting place. We'll see
how he does with more fat (I trimmed the roast of excess fat for now,
I'm sure he'll be fine with it eventually but why push my luck?) ;-)

As for needing more bone, I've just been giving him a chicken quarter
for breakfast and his meaty-meat meal for dinner, gradually adding in
more and more pork with each of those meals. Tonight will be his first
fully pork meal. *fingers crossed*

Good luck!
Shannon H.

>
> ok I am getting ready to move onto pork for my greyhounds. I stayed
> alittle longer with the chicken and introduced the liver alittle at a
> time becase of sensitive tummies and cannon butt. I want to try some
> pork now but dont know what to start with. My Leo needs more bone in
> his diet so what can yall suggest for me? thanks Heather
>

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3c. Re: moving on to next protien
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Oct 1, 2007 9:43 am ((PDT))

"Heather" <hpav061378@...> wrote:
I want to try some
> pork now but dont know what to start with. My Leo needs more bone in
> his diet so what can yall suggest for me?
*****
I recommend feeding Leo a chicken leg quarter or whatever other chicken
part he likes and simply adding some pork meat to the meal. He can get
his bone intake from the chicken and won't be subject to the
indignities caused by too much new. In future meals you simply
increase the amount of pork as you reduce the presence of chicken. And
then you add in the pork bone part of the equation.

I think the dogs that can dive right into a raw diet are also the ones
with little difficulty moving right into new proteins. Conversely, the
dogs that need to be gradually introduced to the broader aspects of
whatever they start on (chicken for example) also benefit from a
gentler introduction to subsequent new proteins.

If the first round was hard won, I suggest you not assume round two
will be easier.
Chris O

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4a. Re: runns in house & gagging!
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Mon Oct 1, 2007 6:53 am ((PDT))

Did she chew stuff off of the beef bone or did she consume the bone?
What kind of beef bone? What meal did she have before the watery poo?
When she coughs up fluids is it yellow bile possibly with bits of
bone? It sounds like she ate a meal or treat that was too boney for
her. Does she have a feeding schedule that didn't get met today?
Sometimes if a dog is expecting food and doesn't get it they vomit
bile. More info, please.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "T Smith" <coldbeach@...> wrote:
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> Whisper (4 months old) had pooped 9watery with a few chunks in it0
twice in
> my hall way. She also has been gagging: like a choking cough &
coughing up
> fluids.... ideas????????????

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4b. Re: runns in house & gagging!
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Oct 1, 2007 9:44 am ((PDT))

"T Smith" <coldbeach@...> wrote:
>> She did get a beef bone to chew on, could this be the cause of this
whole
> mess??????
*****
Yes.
And whose fault is that?
Chris O

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4c. Re: runns in house & gagging
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Mon Oct 1, 2007 9:50 am ((PDT))

Not bile, clear fluid with some brown tint here & there.
Beef spare rib & only one each for some chewing & intro to beef slowly.
She ate her dinner after that (a few hours)
Before the watery poo she had eaten her regular chicken with a wee amount of
liver & a small heart (probably about 4 hours before)
She ate on schedule but maybe a bit more than usual at dinner? She is a 4
month old puppy.

She refused to eat this morning & still hacking really bad but full of
energy.
I hope we don't have a serious issue, this is real discouraging.
Trina

On 10/1/07, Andrea <poketmouse45@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Did she chew stuff off of the beef bone or did she consume the bone?
> What kind of beef bone? What meal did she have before the watery poo?
> When she coughs up fluids is it yellow bile possibly with bits of
> bone? It sounds like she ate a meal or treat that was too boney for
> her. Does she have a feeding schedule that didn't get met today?
> Sometimes if a dog is expecting food and doesn't get it they vomit
> bile. More info, please.
>
> Andrea
>
>

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5a. Re: First RAW WITH BONES served today!!
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Mon Oct 1, 2007 7:07 am ((PDT))

Awesome, Alex! Strange how watching our dogs eat what they were
designed to is so fascinating, huh? Good job to both of you and keep
us updated!

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "alexanderdewey"
<alexanderdewey@...> wrote:

> So, today I bought a whole 4 lb raw chicken, and quartered it
> myself. I gave her the quarter that included the drumstick. WOW!
> She LOVED it! She really took her time, chewing the bones and
> everything really well (unlike the inhalation I typically witness
> with the kibble) It actually took her about 5 minutes to eat (instead
of 30 seconds).

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6a. Re: Day 4 of Raw and WILD!
Posted by: "Stephanie Sorensen" steph.sorensen@yahoo.com steph.sorensen
Date: Mon Oct 1, 2007 7:07 am ((PDT))

Sorry to interject, but you guys rock! My girls have the dandruff/dry itchy skin problem too. But I have only been feeding them raw for a month now. However, since I bathed them this weekend, a bunch of old hair fell off of them, and the coats underneath just gleam like jewels in the sun! My red and white pit now has richer, ruby reddish tones in her red patches spots that gleam like never before. And my black lab was always shiny, so she gleams like she's been polished! :) And NO MORE PLAQUE AND TARTAR BUILDUP!! Yay!!! I LOVE this diet!!

-Steph
Scarlet, Lucy and Minkey (the kitty)

Giselle <megan.giselle@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, Alicia!
Yup. You betcha!

The dry itchy skin could conceivably take longer than a month, or two,
or three, to resolve.

We humans are so 'want it right now!'. ^_^

A good quality Salmon or Fish Body oil supp could help that along.
http://timberwolforganics.com/pet-omega-oils

Dogs to 25 lbs - 1/2 teaspoon

Dogs 25 - 50 lbs - 1 teaspoon

Dogs 50+ lbs - 1 1/2 teaspoon

http://www.icelandpure.com/salmon_oil.htm

Each pump dispenses 1/2 a TSP.

Directions: For best results, add to your dog's food daily day or night.

Pet's Weight Up To Amount

1 - 10 lbs 1/2 tsp daily 1 pump

10 - 25 lbs 1 tsp daily 2 pumps

25 - 50 lbs 2 tsp daily 3 pumps

50 - 75 lbs 3 tsp daily 4 pumps

50 + lbs 4 tsp daily 5 pumps

http://www.grizzlypetproducts.com/salmon_oil/salmon_oil.html

http://www.grizzlypetproducts.com/dosages/dosages.html

TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

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6b. Re: Day 4 of Raw and WILD!
Posted by: "kaylsraven" kaylsraven@yahoo.com kaylsraven
Date: Mon Oct 1, 2007 8:13 am ((PDT))

Is it my imagination, or could raw really be affecting him this way
so soon? Or visa-versa, was kibble slowing him down that much?

Yes ^_^ I had the same thing happen with my older Collie--7 when I
changed her over. With her it was a nice change though, not crazy
dog, probably because she was older and didn't have a working gene in
her *lol*

My suggestion? Feed huge foods and take him for runs to wear him out
physically, and find a quiet time (when you're quiet, at least) when
you can wear him out mentally and start teaching him how to control
all that energy--one thing I hear a lot in my colt training class
is 'the more excited the horse gets, the quieter you get' otherwise
you feed off each others energy--I've found it applies with the dogs
as well. My 2 yo GSD (birthday today!) has been raw fed since I got
him, heaps of energy, but a good solid 15 or 20 minutes of obedience
work (heel, sit, automatic sit, platz, steh, packen, keep it moving,
keep'em guessing) will wear him out and send him to lounge in his
crater (yes, that's spelled right) in the yard for the rest of the
day. A tired dog is a happy owner *lol*

Cheers,

Sabrina 'n the gang

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7a. Re: Frustrated and cannot find any answers -I'm In The Same Boat
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Mon Oct 1, 2007 7:41 am ((PDT))

Does your boy always refuse meals, or is it just the pork? Does he
act like he has less energy? Is he looking really skinny?

On the meals that he doesn't miss is he eating enough food or does he
just pick at it? How much do you feed him at each meal? Give us an
idea of what he has been eating so far and maybe we can give some
suggestions. I know that some dogs go gaga over green tripe, you
might try adding that to his food.

Is it possible you just have an easy keeper? I don't presume to know
much about akitas, but I have noticed that some dogs really lean out
after switching to raw. I know that doesn't help much right now, but
give us some more info and we'll see if something jumps out at us.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Maiakitas@... wrote:

> My male, Beau, on the other hand is dropping weight. I have kept
> him on the thinner side when not in the show ring, so he did not
> need to loose weight, but now looks terrible. He is white and
> now has terrible tearing and staining, which he never had any
> tearing prior to a raw diet. I too have read the posts about
> allergies, detoxing, etc., but he had no allergy issues prior. His
> skin is fine. He has currently blown his coat so I can't judge his
> coat quality, but he does not seem to get any real pleasure from
> eating the raw. He misses many meals, and I have raised Akitas for
> almost 25 years, so I'm not one of these people that has a problem
> with a dog missing meals, but when you seem to miss more meals than
> you want to eat, that is a reason to be concerned.

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7b. Re: Frustrated and cannot find any answers -I'm In The Same Boat
Posted by: "Maiakitas@aol.com" Maiakitas@aol.com maiakitas
Date: Mon Oct 1, 2007 10:33 am ((PDT))

Andrea,

His sister Bailey is an easy keeper. She was on kibble as well. She eats
anything and everything although was slow to switch over to raw, but now that she
has gotten the hang of things loves it and continues to look great. Will even
eat little chicken feet for snacks now. :o) Can't wait to finish her and breed
her next year and have some raw babies! (But to find a raw fed, no-vac male
that I like will be another hurdle, but I will address that then :o))

As I mentioned I have been fortunate and took it slow with the dogs and have
found no tummy upsets with any of the protein sources that I have used which
have only been chicken, pork, beef, lamb, duck and fish and can take mixed
meats. Organ meat also agrees with them.

As far as Beau goes, when he was on a k***le, he needed one that was high in
protein and fat to maintain his weight and did best on a food for very active
dogs, which he is not and he tended to require more food than less. If say his
weight listed on the bag required 4-6 cups of food, he would need 6 cups. (Of
course that was not carved in stone and I know just a guideline but I adjust
that for the dog) That worked fine for him. I do not consider him an easy
keeper, but I really didn't have to do anything special besides having him on the
right food. I don't keep my dogs fat, even when showing, but since he has been
on raw he has dropped a good 15 or more pounds and now has the terrible
tearing of his eyes.

He does not always refuse his meals. Like this morning after missing three
days of eating, he ate about 2 lbs of the pork loin that had been seared and had
garlic on it. I only put part of it down,
because I thought maybe he would eat some and he did. On k****le they ate two
meals. I have tried two meals with him and one meal and seems to make no
difference. He has never been a dog to eat large amounts in one sitting, so again
I was figuring two meals at the beginning of raw was the way to go. When he
doesn't want the food, he walks over to it, sniffs it and then tries to cover it
with whatever is handy...a leaf, a toy, whatever and then goes and lays down.
I know he is hungry because when he is training in obedience class he is
quite interested in the cooked chicken or liver. If he is going to eat the food he
eats it and if not, he won't. It now doesn't seem to matter what it is,
whether it is a London broil or baby back ribs or chicken or liver or pork shoulder
or whatever. He went through a not wanting chicken, but got through that.

I just got some green tripe today, but he can't just eat tripe.

Again, I know all of the experienced people are just rolling their eyes at
me, but I am an experienced dog person who tells people all of the time don't
let your dog dictate what it will and won't eat. This is different when you see
your dog who looked great before, looking terrible on something that is
supposed to be good for him. It is frustrating.

HELP!!!! :o(

Regards,
Carla

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8a. Re: Frustrated and cannot find any answers
Posted by: "Dawn Ruhl" Dawnofthedanes@mac.com dawnofthedanes
Date: Mon Oct 1, 2007 9:02 am ((PDT))

Can't condemn you for how you feel, however...
the idiosyncrasies is the ONLY reason a dog won't or
can't eat raw.
It has been proven that selective breeding and or grain
based diets has not changed the digestive systems
OR the DNA of dogs. Because they have remained
the same as prior to these things. Man hasn't selectively
bred for that long, compared to centuries that dogs have
roamed the earth. I do believe, like with people living
on fast foods like Mickey D's, that each individual
could very well have developed some digestive problems
due to consumption of grain based diets. And of
course because the digestive system is soft tissue, the
mercury in vaccines should have to take it's fair
share of the blame... but between probiotic and
enzyme supplementing, there is no physical reason
for a dog to not be able to eat the way it was originally
designed to eat. To attempt to accomplish making any
real change one has to surmise that it would take centuries
of abuse to make any physical changes like DNA
alteration through diet and selective breeding.

An example of how long it takes, look at the horse...
it started with 3 toes... now it has one hoof and the
last remaining toe is a splint bone on the side of the leg up
below the knee. This took hundreds of years for the animal
to adapt, and it will take hundreds of years of feeding grain
based diets to do any change to dos. And who can say it
won't lead to extinction?

God Bless!
~;*;~ Dawn ~;*;~
"There's enough for a Bull, There's enough for a Bear,
But, there's never enough for a Pig"- John P Ruhl Sr.
http://www.dawnofthedanes.com

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8b. Re: Frustrated and cannot find any answers
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Oct 1, 2007 9:51 am ((PDT))

"desheep59" <desheep59@...> wrote:
since we
> have taken the animals out of the wild and done our selective breeding
> - intentionally or not - I'm not 100% convinced that raw IS best for
> all of our companion animals. They've been raised for sooo many years
> on the grain based diets that it is possible some of them will not
> thrive on the raw because of this latest genetic programming OR
> because of individual idiosyncrasies.
*****
Since this conclusion is utterly without any substantive support except
maybe in your own mind, if you choose to feed accordingly you certainly
may but it would be wise for you to be prepared to offer evidence the
minute you suggest others heed your remarks.
Chris O

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8c. Re: Frustrated and cannot find any answers
Posted by: "Daisy Foxworth" daisyfoxworth@yahoo.com daisyfoxworth
Date: Mon Oct 1, 2007 10:34 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "desheep59" <desheep59@...> wrote:
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> since we
> have taken the animals out of the wild and done our selective
breeding
> - intentionally or not - I'm not 100% convinced that raw IS best
for
> all of our companion animals. They've been raised for sooo many
years
> on the grain based diets that it is possible some of them will not
> thrive on the raw because of this latest genetic programming OR
> because of individual idiosyncrasies.>
>
>

What genetic programming has taken place that has resulted in dogs
acquiring the genes necessary to produce the enzymes necessary to
digesting grains? I could see a species losing the ability to
produce certain enzymes, but how does a very complicated gene
sequence (relatively) suddenly appear to allow completely different
types of foods to be digested?

For that matter, where is the proof that dogs now have these enzymes
which, to me, you are implying that their wild ancestors do not?

And what do you mean by "sooo many years"? Several dozen years is
practically an evolutionary blink, if that much.

These have been my questions to the argument you raise, and I have
never seen them addressed.

Regards, Daisy

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9a. Re: How often for different organs?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Oct 1, 2007 9:27 am ((PDT))

Carol Dunster <cedunster@...> wrote:
> Is that the main reason for not feeding more organ meat?
*****
It's a practical reason, for sure. While loose stools are rarely a
problem for the dog, they do stress out the human. So moderating
intake until you have established the dog's tolerances generally makes
life easier for the human.

The more fundamental reason though is that the percentages we toss
around represent an average prey animal's constituent parts. "10%
organs of which as much as half can be liver" is a fair, average
representation of squidgy ick parts. It is a naturally occurring
guideline which you can and should adapt to each dog's needs.

What are the
> good points and the bad ones for liver, for instance?
*****
If the body part is useful to the prey animal it's useful to the dog.
(Although some body parts are more useful than others.) A down side of
liver is it merits some gentle handling at first and many dogs for
reasons beyond my ken don't like the stuff. Also, consistently feeding
large amounts may produce fairly high (dangerous?) levels of vitamin A,
that unlike C excess which flushes away, accumulates in the fat.

You feed liver because as the VERY OLD probably before you were born
commercial said, "with liver you live." My guess is an alternate
combo of kidney and spleen (which is generally much ickier than liver)
would suffice. But since the functional amount of liver is so small,
it's easier to feed it than to try to create a healthy work-around.

(I have a large
> supply of quality organ meat,
*****
Feed all the heart you can get. Feed reasonable amounts of the rest.
Chris O

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9b. Re: How often for different organs?
Posted by: "Carol Dunster" cedunster@centurytel.net carwynst
Date: Mon Oct 1, 2007 9:50 am ((PDT))

On Mon, 01 Oct 2007 16:27:25 -0000, you wrote:

>Feed all the heart you can get. Feed reasonable amounts of the rest.
>Chris O

Of course I'd be glad to eat all the heart myself, I love it! :)
However, I can donate to the doggies too. Certainly there are heart
trimmings where it is too tough for us... though I'm sure I don't want
to overdo fat trimmings, but to feed the meat part.

As far as raw liver, I've been giving them small amounts for quite
some time, they love it and have no trouble with it in their
digestion.

I'll start sourcing for some other things. Not sure I want to pay
$2.50 a lb for pasture raised chicken for the dogs though, I'll try to
find something else for at least a good portion of their food!
~ Carol
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Carol Dunster
cedunster@centurytel.net

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10a. Re: Feeding pills in RAW/Temperment & RAW
Posted by: "Laura Atkinson" llatkinson@gmail.com lauraatkinson2002
Date: Mon Oct 1, 2007 9:31 am ((PDT))

Yeah, the ingredients are pretty gross, it's like candy. Since Lacy only
gets one small thyroid pill in the am with them (she just gets her evening
pill with her dinner) it's not a huge issue for me. If I were giving more
pills, then I'd find something else to use. But for one small pill for one
dog, the cat sized ones work pretty well and it's a miniscule part of her
daily intake.

On 9/28/07, ginny wilken <gwilken@alamedanet.net> wrote:
>
>
> On Sep 28, 2007, at 3:50 PM, Laura Atkinson wrote:
>
> > Heck, I use Pill Pockets (tm) that I order or buy at PetSmart.
> > Life's too
> > short to worry that hard about little things like what to wrap
> > around a
> > pill.
>
>
> I saw those at a store the other day, and came away thinking they
> were fairly evil as far as ingredients:) I use chunks of meat with
> little pockets cut in, or ground, or handfuls of tripe, or anything
> I'm eating chewed flat and wrapped around them.
>
> ginny and Tomo, pills, pills, pills, and now the Metacam, which
> doesn't taste near as good as they say, apparently. It goes in soup
> or pureed liver.
>

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11a. Re: Cheap meat
Posted by: "girlndocs" girlndocs@hotmail.com girlndocs
Date: Mon Oct 1, 2007 9:50 am ((PDT))

Hi Carole,

> What heading did you list your ad? I was looking on Craig's List
> and really could not determine that.

"Wanted" or "Barter". "Farm and garden" might also work depending on
how stringent your local CL is about categories, and whether you
emphasize the butchering-waste angle of it. Good luck!

Kristin

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12a. Re: A few problems with raw diet
Posted by: "suburbancow" lizzieodonnell@houston.rr.com suburbancow
Date: Mon Oct 1, 2007 9:50 am ((PDT))

Okay thank you so much Libby. You actually addressed quite a few of my
concerns that I didn't mention. It was hard work grinding all that
stuff up. I'll check the archives like you said. The only reason I did
all that grinding is because I read it in a book, and because it
simulated the contents of the prey's stomach. In case you check back
on this, would I be looking for animal organs that still contained the
stomach contents before it was killed? Or are you just talking about
organs like heart, liver, kidneys and that stuff? Thanks a lot for
your help and the percentages you gave.

-Elizabeth O.

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "great_dane_devotee"
<libpowers@...> wrote:
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> Lizzie,
>
> I can't address all your concerns, but as far as diet, you wrote:
>
> I also give him a veggie
> > mixture that includes leafy greens, cottage cheese, ACV, eggs with
> > shells, carrots, other vegetables that I have available and I throw
> > some fruit in there if I have it. I blend this all down to a pulp and
> > feed it to him about once every other day. Should I up the veggies?
>
> I tried the raw diet you are feeding, and it was way too much work.
You can do all that
> grinding and stuff, but if your life contains much more than a pup,
eventually you burn out.
> This forum encourages the feeding of a prey model diet which is 80%
meat, 10% organs, and
> 10% meaty bones. Many people are feeding pups so you might want to
peruse the archives
> for suggestions.
>
> I've been doing this style of raw diet and it is much easier than
the grinding, etc.
>
> Blessings with your new pup,
>
> Libby
>

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13.1. New to raw
Posted by: "teribean7481" teribean7481@yahoo.com teribean7481
Date: Mon Oct 1, 2007 9:50 am ((PDT))

MODERATORS NOTE: SIGN YOUR MAILS!!

I am getting ready to start my 9 month old Bouvier on raw. Can any one
give me some advice on the best and most economical way/places to buy
meat. I do have a very large deep freezer for storage.

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14. Re: [rawfeeding] Re:  Frustrated and cannot find any answers -I'm
Posted by: "Maiakitas@aol.com" Maiakitas@aol.com maiakitas
Date: Mon Oct 1, 2007 10:33 am ((PDT))

Ada,

He wouldn't touch it frozen. He looked at me like I'd REALLY lost my mind!
:o)

Thanks for the suggestions though.

Regards,
Carla

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