[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12095

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Raw Tripe Score!
From: tottime47
1b. Re: Raw Tripe Score!
From: matrimentor
1c. Re: Raw Tripe Score!
From: costrowski75

2a. Itchy Rescue GSD Pup
From: grnegrl
2b. Re: Itchy Rescue GSD Pup
From: ginny wilken

3a. Re: Political Vegetarian comtemplating changing to "raw"
From: Stephanie Sorensen
3b. Re: Political Vegetarian comtemplating changing to "raw"
From: Denise Strother
3c. Re: Political Vegetarian comtemplating changing to "raw"
From: Giselle

4a. Re: New member - probably silly question
From: Giselle
4b. New member question
From: cr008k
4c. Re: New member question
From: costrowski75

5a. Rescues
From: Renate
5b. Re: Rescues
From: Denise Strother
5c. Re: Rescues
From: Maggie Smith
5d. Re: Rescues
From: T Smith
5e. Re: Rescues
From: Giselle

6a. Re: Dog with Eating Disorder
From: annemariekruit

7a. ADMIN/Re: ONE (SUCCESSFUL, I THINK) WEEK OF RAW
From: costrowski75

8a. Re: feeding turkey
From: girlndocs
8b. Re: feeding turkey
From: Kevin Brown

9a. Constipation? Bone Blockage?
From: Kathie Middlemiss
9b. Re: Constipation? Bone Blockage?
From: Denise Strother

10a. Re: Best-in-Show line up 50% raw
From: Giselle

11. Should a Pit Bull be fed a Raw Diet?
From: aqualitybeagles

12a. Re: Puppy evaluation/admonished for feeding raw
From: Denise Strother

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1a. Re: Raw Tripe Score!
Posted by: "tottime47" tottime@aol.com tottime47
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 5:38 pm ((PDT))

Wow! Lucky you!

I think I'd get some gloves on and cut it up first into size and then
wash them or at least check to make sure there isn't anything harmful
like wire, etc. in there. I would imagine a young sheep would not be
eating anything dangerous, but it's always wise to error on the side of
caution.

Carol, Charkee & Moli

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "matrimentor" <matrimentor@...>
wrote:
>
> A farmer friend just gave me a whole sheep stomach from a young sheep
> that had just been slaughtered. Can somebody quickly give me tips on
> what to do with it now?
>
> do I clean it out first, or just segment it and offer it to my guy in
> appropriate sized pieces?
>
> TIA,
> Jacki
>

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1b. Re: Raw Tripe Score!
Posted by: "matrimentor" matrimentor@yahoo.com matrimentor
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:55 pm ((PDT))

Well, I ended up dumping it into the kitchen sink, cutting it open,
then putting all of the stomach contents into the big bucket I hauled
it home in. All beautiful green grass, which went to my chickens.
Then I washed the tripe well and gave a big chunk to our Chester, who
gulped it down with gusto and them promptly threw it all up again.
Sigh.

Now I've cut the rest of it into smaller chunks to offer to him again
later. Maybe he has to sneak up on larger portions.

It's lovely, but now I understand what people mean when they say it's
stinky! I should have read your post first about wearing gloves.
I'm not squeamish about stuff like that, so I just dug in with my
bare hands. Now I'm having trouble getting the tripe smell off of
them ;-)

jacki

-- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "tottime47" <tottime@...> wrote:
>
> Wow! Lucky you!
>
> I think I'd get some gloves on and cut it up first into size and
then
> wash them or at least check to make sure there isn't anything
harmful
> like wire, etc. in there. I would imagine a young sheep would not
be
> eating anything dangerous, but it's always wise to error on the
side of
> caution.
>
> Carol, Charkee & Moli
>
>
> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "matrimentor" <matrimentor@>
> wrote:
> >
> > A farmer friend just gave me a whole sheep stomach from a young
sheep
> > that had just been slaughtered. Can somebody quickly give me
tips on
> > what to do with it now?
> >
> > do I clean it out first, or just segment it and offer it to my
guy in
> > appropriate sized pieces?
> >
> > TIA,
> > Jacki
> >
>

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1c. Re: Raw Tripe Score!
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:09 pm ((PDT))

"tottime47" <tottime@...> wrote:

> I think I'd get some gloves on and cut it up first into size and then
> wash them or at least check to make sure there isn't anything harmful
> like wire, etc. in there. I would imagine a young sheep would not be
> eating anything dangerous, but it's always wise to error on the side
of
> caution.
*****
A while ago I got a bucket of goat guts and while it may have been a
small goat and the young sheep in question may have been a big young
sheep, there wasn't that much stomach to deal with. It is not a cow
production at all. I heaved the bucket contents over the fence and let
my three retrievers eat of it and everything disappeared promptly
except for the stomach contents, which was picked at but not devoured.
The stomach tissue itself was nibbled away from the ddigesta.

I suspect there will be little processing required with a young lamb's
stomach.
Chris O

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2a. Itchy Rescue GSD Pup
Posted by: "grnegrl" grnegrl@yahoo.com grnegrl
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 5:38 pm ((PDT))

Hi,

I'm new to the group but not to raw feeding as I've beeb practicing
it with both dogs and cats for over 20 years.
I rescued a 3 month old GSD pup two weeks ago. By the time I got him,
he'd been in a cage since 5 weeks of age, was shot full of vaccines
over two months time, wormed, given a cocciastat on 3 differnt
occasions and fed Precise puppy kibble.
The hair on his face had fallen out (with no itching at all) and he
had an upper respiratory infection. All three skin scrapings were
negative for mange and he was on Clavamox for 3 weeks.
Since I brought him home, he's been switched to raw, which he took to
like a champ. Great appetite, no stool propblems, active and very
payful.
Here's where I'm confused. He now has started itching. Not anywhere
near the point of hurting himself, just alot of chewing and
scratching. The hair is just about completely grown back in on his
face and the hair loss on his tail has stopped and is coming in
nicely.
I'm thinking that the itching is just his little body detoxing....are
any of you familiar with something like this?
Thanks in advance and it's good to meet you all!

Ruth

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2b. Re: Itchy Rescue GSD Pup
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 5:50 pm ((PDT))

On Sep 29, 2007, at 5:34 PM, grnegrl wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm new to the group but not to raw feeding as I've beeb practicing
> it with both dogs and cats for over 20 years.
> I rescued a 3 month old GSD pup two weeks ago. By the time I got him,
> he'd been in a cage since 5 weeks of age, was shot full of vaccines
> over two months time, wormed, given a cocciastat on 3 differnt
> occasions and fed Precise puppy kibble.
> The hair on his face had fallen out (with no itching at all) and he
> had an upper respiratory infection. All three skin scrapings were
> negative for mange and he was on Clavamox for 3 weeks.
> Since I brought him home, he's been switched to raw, which he took to
> like a champ. Great appetite, no stool propblems, active and very
> payful.
> Here's where I'm confused. He now has started itching. Not anywhere
> near the point of hurting himself, just alot of chewing and
> scratching. The hair is just about completely grown back in on his
> face and the hair loss on his tail has stopped and is coming in
> nicely.
> I'm thinking that the itching is just his little body detoxing....are
> any of you familiar with something like this?
> Thanks in advance and it's good to meet you all!
>
> Ruth

I'd say he has the beginnings of systemic chronic disease from all
the insults from drugs and vaccines. Further suppression of skin
issues would lead to more serious disorders. I'd advise only two
courses of action: one would be to simply feed raw and do nothing
other than a mild palliative like lavender water to ease bad bouts of
itching. He will become as good as he can in a couple of months, and
then you can see where you stand. The second course of action would
be to start homeopathic treatment for him now, before things get
complicated.

You might wish to take this discussion to Rawchat if you'd like to
hear more.

ginny and Tomo

All stunts performed without a net!

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3a. Re: Political Vegetarian comtemplating changing to "raw"
Posted by: "Stephanie Sorensen" steph.sorensen@yahoo.com steph.sorensen
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 5:49 pm ((PDT))

Hey Laura,

You could possibly find a co-op in your area. I know there are some places that ship all over the place (www.prey4pets.com is one of them). If you invest in a freezer and buy in bulk, you can save money.

You can also hit what is on sale at the whole foods, or ask them what they do with the meat they don't sell. If they're just going to throw it out, maybe they'll either give it to you, or simply discount it more beforehand. They may have a policy against this though; I don't know.

I know there are HUGE elk in New Mexico. Hit up the processing places - ask them if you can have the leftovers (heads, guts, feet, etc). Also ask if you can buy what people don't come and pick up. A lot of times they'll do that for you too. If you have hunter friends, offer to split the cost of processing a kill with them in exchange for some good hunks of meaty bone. An elk can go a long way.

I hope that at least gets you started with thinking outside the box. Sometimes, you have to get creative and just start talking to people. You will eventually build your list of sources, and then it won't be a problem for you. :)

-Steph
Scarlet, Lucy and Minkey (the kitty)

designlmc <designlmc@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi all,

I do not have a problem with the theory & philosophy of prey model diets
for dogs. However, living in Northern New Mexico, I have limited access
- no butchers to speak of, only a SuperSave Discount Foods, Albertsons,
and a local Whole Foods-type market.

My dilemma is this: I do not shop chain supermarkets as I do not want to
support agribusiness and hormone, antibiotic-laden meats. Conversely, I
cannot afford to buy extraordinarily priced free range meats at our
health food market.

Anyone else face this dilemma? I don't have problems handling meat (I
was a meat eater for many years). How do you resolve this ethical
situation?

Many thanks,
Laura

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3b. Re: Political Vegetarian comtemplating changing to "raw"
Posted by: "Denise Strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:52 pm ((PDT))

Laura,
Check this article out and then come back and tell me how big of an
ethical situation feeding raw is. Denise
www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/petfood1.html

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "designlmc" <designlmc@> wrote:
Hi all,
My dilemma is this: I do not shop chain supermarkets as I do not want
to support agribusiness and hormone, antibiotic-laden meats. I don't
have problems handling meat (I was a meat eater for many years). How
do you resolve this ethical situation?
Many thanks,
Laura

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3c. Re: Political Vegetarian comtemplating changing to "raw"
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:53 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Laura!
If you don't shop chain supermarkets in order not to support
agribusinesses, then you do not need to be buying Doom Nuggets from
the multibillion dollar pet food corps, either. Most of them are owned
by corps that produce people food, now, too. They all get their meat
from the same sources, 'cept the dog food meat is usually of
substandard quality and all nutrition is is processed out of it.

Check out The Lis List to help you figure out how to find cheap or
free sources of raw whole prey or animal parts for your dog.
craigslist or FreeCycle can help you get a cheap or free freezer to
store it all in, too!
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/139618
Post #139618

TC and let us know when you're ready to start feeding raw. We have
tons of great advice! :)
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> I do not have a problem with the theory & philosophy of prey model diets
> for dogs.
<snip>
> My dilemma is this: I do not shop chain supermarkets as I do not want to
> support agribusiness and hormone, antibiotic-laden meats. Conversely, I
> cannot afford to buy extraordinarily priced free range meats at our
> health food market.
>
> Anyone else face this dilemma? I don't have problems handling meat (I
> was a meat eater for many years). How do you resolve this ethical
> situation?
>
> Many thanks,
> Laura
>

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4a. Re: New member - probably silly question
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:28 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Trina!
Suuure you do! ; )

Seriously, the Danes, Lhasas, and the Spaniel x too, will benefit
greatly from feeding bigger portions.

Feeding portions that are not easily chomped and swallowed, that the
dog has to figure out how to deconstruct and devote time to getting on
the outside of, is what its all about.

Your dogs will benefit in many ways from Big Food. It is emotionally
satisfying for a dog to immerse itself in a meal bigger than its own
head. It is mentally stimulating and ultimately physically tiring, to
have to figure out how to crunch tear, shear and shred a meal into
submission. It is also beneficial to the dog's teeth and gums, as
well as the dog's jaws and other parts of the dog's body, when it
needs to involve itself in its food.

Think of what a wolf has to do in order to 'put dinner on the table'.

http://www.wolfcountry.net/information/WolfHunting.html
http://www.bio.davidson.edu/people/vecase/behavior/Spring2003/Bergeron/hunting.htm
http://tinyurl.com/2s7xhb
http://video.nationalgeographic.com/video/player/animals/mammals-animals/dogs-wolves-and-foxes/wolves_gray_hunting.html
http://tinyurl.com/33hfk7

By being domesticated, in today's households, we have totally
eliminated that option from their lives. We 'hunt', and the food is
mostly dessicated for them, and we drop it in front of them. Most
dog's aren't even able to do the jobs we have bred them to do. The
only remnant of what a dog has left that we can allow him to do, is to
rip and tear his food up, before he swallows it.

Don't forget to look for chicken or turkey hearts to use as 'pill
pockets' - they work very well indeed.

Liver should be 3-5% of a dog's entire diet. Whether you figure that
daily, weekly or monthly is up to you. If a dog would get 1 lb of food
a day, that would be about oh, a little more than 1/2 oz. 7 lbs in a
week would be about 4 oz. In a month, you'd feed about 28 lbs, so that
would be about a pound and a half of liver. I think. I don't measure,
or weigh. I go by guess and by golly. How you feed that 5% of liver,
and 5% 'other' organs, really doesn't matter, except in how the dog
tolerates the amount that you feed. Its all 'Balance Over Time'.

Um, an idea - you can 'meatball up' the ground beef, freeze and bag
'em. They thaw very quickly, and you can just take out however many
you'll need for the day awhile ahead of time, or in the morning, if
you put them in the fridge.
TC, keep us posted on your dog's progress!
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> Thank you very much. We bought several whole chickens tonight &
about 120
> pounds of chicken legs, thighs, parts.....
> Mind you, I feed 3 Danes & one 98 lb Dal so we use at least 11
pounds a day
> for now. Eventually the other 5 dogs here will be on RAW too.
> I bought the whole chickens for my Dal so he did have to work harder
(see, I
> do listen *smile*)
> Thank you.
> We add about an ounce of liver per feeding after a week?
> I got the ground beef for their pills.
> Hopefully I got it right. We are on Day 3 & just feeding the
chicken. All
> the dogs are seeming to love the food now!
> I've joined a few groups to try to get more food and a cheaper cost &
> putting the word out to people what we are looking for (hunters, people
> cleaning out freezers, etc).....
> I think buying bags of k***le was 'easy' for everyone here in the family
> because it was bought & lasted a month but buying RAW shows initial cost
> which seems to be the first kind of 'shock' because it takes up more
room
> (freezer, fridge, etc) so it takes some getting used to for others
here. &
> it takes thinking to buy it :-)
> Trina
> http://myspace.com/coldbeach

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4b. New member question
Posted by: "cr008k" crakoczy@gmail.com cr008k
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:46 pm ((PDT))

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Hi
Thanks to those who replied to my question about Molly's demodex- it
seems like raw is going to help her, we're going to start them really
soon and we'll see how it goes. I have one other question (as I'm
trying to stock my freezer)- I keep seeing people say they feed whole
chickens from the grocery store- is there a difference between the
"frying chicken" that you can get for under $1.00 a pound at grocery
stores and "regular" whole chicken?
Thanks!

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4c. Re: New member question
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:15 pm ((PDT))

"cr008k" <crakoczy@...> wrote:
>I keep seeing people say they feed whole
> chickens from the grocery store- is there a difference between the
> "frying chicken" that you can get for under $1.00 a pound at grocery
> stores and "regular" whole chicken?
*****
Here in Northern California, young hens are called fryers; olden hens
are roasters. The fryers are plain old regular chickens. The roasters
(and the stewing hens) are bigger and older.
Chris O

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5a. Rescues
Posted by: "Renate" renate.tideswell@gmail.com tideswell_renate
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:51 pm ((PDT))

those of you who work in rescue - foster homes, in particular - do you feed
the fosters raw along with your dogs? I've just started with my own 3 dogs
(who are doing great now, thanks to all the wonderful people in this group).
The 2 fosters I had I'd only just got onto Canidae cause when I got them
they had big problems from a year of chicken wieners and ham sandwich spread
as the primary diet along with a few treats. But I've got a new little guy
in and those two are going to an adoptive home this week(I hope, cause it's
looking real good and they're wonderful babies) so do I just stick him on
raw? What do you tell adoptive families? Do they continue raw? I'm not
sure which is the best way to go and I've asked my rescue and their response
has been to just feed whatever I think is best.

--
Renate
'The more I learn about men, the more I love my Shih Tzu'

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5b. Re: Rescues
Posted by: "Denise Strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:46 pm ((PDT))

I treat my fosters as my own, so of course I feed raw. I also don't
adopt to anyone not interested in keeping the dog on raw and at least
minimal vaccs. I also don't take a dog that I'm not willing to
be "stuck" with. But then I most often take dogs with behavioral or
health problems that are fixable, but sometimes long term, because raw
can help in both these cases. Denise

those of you who work in rescue - foster homes, in particular - do you
feed the fosters raw along with your dogs?

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5c. Re: Rescues
Posted by: "Maggie Smith" redkeds@comcast.net redkeds1
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:43 pm ((PDT))

I wish - we are not allowed to feed fosters raw - however, I was trying
to find a way to suggest it - even as a trial program - at least for
the Danes I foster.

Maggie, Rufus and Oliver
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Denise Strother"
<denisestrother@...> wrote:
>
> I treat my fosters as my own, so of course I feed raw. I also don't
> adopt to anyone not interested in keeping the dog on raw and at least
> minimal vaccs. I also don't take a dog that I'm not willing to
> be "stuck" with. But then I most often take dogs with behavioral or
> health problems that are fixable, but sometimes long term, because
raw
> can help in both these cases. Denise
>
> those of you who work in rescue - foster homes, in particular - do
you
> feed the fosters raw along with your dogs?
>

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5d. Re: Rescues
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:44 pm ((PDT))

Is this acceptable by the parent rescue you foster for?

Second, when a subject is switched over to the rawchat list, how is this
supposed to be done? Are the same people there that are here?
Please advise but I assume this is not acceptable thread for this list &
would like to discuss it.
Trina

On 9/29/07, Denise Strother <denisestrother@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I treat my fosters as my own, so of course I feed raw. I also don't
> adopt to anyone not interested in keeping the dog on raw and at least
> minimal vaccs. I also don't take a dog that I'm not willing to
> be "stuck" with. But then I most often take dogs with behavioral or
> health problems that are fixable, but sometimes long term, because raw
> can help in both these cases. Denise
>
>

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5e. Re: Rescues
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 10:14 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Trina!
You have to join raw chat;
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/RawChat/?m=0

Then, you just start a new topic, and you might want to paste in as
much of the 'old' post from raw feeding you need to, to explain where
you are coming from.

Some of the people on raw chat are the same, but it does have fewer
members and its a much lower volume list, which allows a wider scope
for discussion topics.

Usually, as long as the topic sticks to raw feeding hows, whys,
wheres, and how tos, its AOK here.

Chris will tell us if we been bad. ^_^

We can always try to bribe her with chocolate.....
TC
Giselle

> Is this acceptable by the parent rescue you foster for?
>
> Second, when a subject is switched over to the raw chat list, how is
this
> supposed to be done? Are the same people there that are here?
> Please advise but I assume this is not acceptable thread for this list &
> would like to discuss it.
> Trina
>
> On 9/29/07, Denise Strother <denisestrother@...> wrote:
> >
> > I treat my fosters as my own, so of course I feed raw. I also don't
> > adopt to anyone not interested in keeping the dog on raw and at least
> > minimal vaccs. I also don't take a dog that I'm not willing to
> > be "stuck" with. But then I most often take dogs with behavioral or
> > health problems that are fixable, but sometimes long term, because raw
> > can help in both these cases. Denise
> >
> >
>
>
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>

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6a. Re: Dog with Eating Disorder
Posted by: "annemariekruit" annemariekruit@yahoo.ca annemariekruit
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:52 pm ((PDT))

Thanks Olga,
No, when she has a seizure she falls on her side, legs straight out in
front of her, her back arches and her eyes, although open, seem
sightless. Her breathing is very rapid and shallow. (I watched out of
for this, since I was afraid that she was choking.) This last about 30
seconds. When she was younger (and put through the wringer as far as
bad food, vaccines and flea control) she would sometimes have seizures:
I would say maybe one or two a year. Not enough to consider
medicating, but definitely something I kept an eye out for. It's only
since these two recent episodes that I've realized what is happening
again. Cutting the beef (that doesn't contain bone) into manageable
pieces seems to have taken care of the issue. I'll try to add a
picture of Shadow, who is 13.5 years old and Phoenix, who is 1.5 years
old, in the photos file.
Thanks for everything. Anne-Marie

-- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Olga" <olga.drozd@...> wrote:
>
> and she'll stumble around with her eyes
> kinda bulging out trying to decide if she should bring it up, or keep
> it down. I'm not sure if this is the behaviour you are describing as
> "seizures"?
>
> Basically what I do, is try to give her most of her food bone-in, and
> when I'm giving boneless meat I cut it into pieces that she can
> swallow. I don't give her frozen boneless meat anymore.
>
> Olga
>

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7a. ADMIN/Re: ONE (SUCCESSFUL, I THINK) WEEK OF RAW
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:07 pm ((PDT))

Please take all (ALL) treat "how-to" conversations to rawChat.
All "how do you make" and "what recipes" and "how long to you cook"
or "what's a good dehydrator" or "what do you set the over at"
questions are not about about raw food, they are about processed food.
RawChat has room for such discussions. RawChat also has an archives
quite full of previous "how to" messages. Please take advantage of it.
Chriso O
Moderation Team

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8a. Re: feeding turkey
Posted by: "girlndocs" girlndocs@hotmail.com girlndocs
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:09 pm ((PDT))

Hi Arlene,

My dog loves turkey drumsticks :) I would rather offer her whole
turkey hindquarters, but I don't have any of those yet -- I'll get
them in a month or so when turkey season really starts, though.

Something about the shape seems to engage her and require her to chew
differently on them than on some other foods she gets, and she seems
to really enjoy that.

She eats the whole bone (she's a large Lab mix).

Kristin

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8b. Re: feeding turkey
Posted by: "Kevin Brown" jerseykev@aol.com noblarneyzone
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:45 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "abeautiful3" <abeautiful3@...>
wrote:
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> I would like to know if feeding turkey legs are a good source of meat
> and would the turkey bone splinter?
>
> Arlene
>

My 4 1/2 month old 60 pound mastiff eats turkey legs. I switched her
from chicken legs to turkey legs, because the bone requires more
breaking and chewing.

I do not make it a daily food, I use it 2 days a week as variety.

Kevin
The Jersey Shore
www.guardiansbythesea.com

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9a. Constipation? Bone Blockage?
Posted by: "Kathie Middlemiss" geekgirl717@gmail.com katjermid
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:44 pm ((PDT))

I know I'm probably just paranoid here, but I think something is up with
Max.

He's had nothing but chicken quarters/half chickens for a week and then
this morning I gave him two pieces of boneless pork rib.

Tonight, he's acting like he may be constipated or something. And when
I let him out to go, I went out with him and (sorry if this is TMI) he
farted really really loudly and then sat in the 'poo position' for quite
some time. He came back up on the deck and rubbed his bum on the
surface like worm dogs do, though his stools are worm-free.

I looked at what he got out and it was a very, very small amount of
grainy looking poo with flecks of white in it that I think are bone
fragments.

He came in and went directly to his crate. He cleaned himself and
whimpered a little and then promptly went to sleep.

Worry wart that I am, I gave him about a teaspoon and a half of olive
oil hoping to grease the works.

Should I be overly concerned? Should I stop stressing? I'm having
mental images of a chicken bone being lodged in there that he can't poo
out. ::laughs:: Sorry, I'm such a dweeb.

Kathie, Mom to:
Jake Lab/something mix - 6 years/98 pounds
Max Lab - 13 weeks/30 pounds
Ruby Lab/shepherd mix - 12 weeks/20-ish pounds

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9b. Re: Constipation? Bone Blockage?
Posted by: "Denise Strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:44 pm ((PDT))

I'd just wait and see what tomorrow brings as long as he doesn't seem
to be in a lot of pain or to far from whatever normal is for him. Some
dogs take a little more time to adjust than others do. This is where
you find you will really get to know your dog. Let us know how tonight
goes in the morning. You'll get better advice then. The solution will
be different if he has loose stools during the night than if he still
hasn't pooped and seems uncomfortable. Also give more info about how
poop has been prior to this. How big is he, what is he, how much does
he eat daily, any supplements, etc. Also, for future references, for
some dogs eggs, certain organs, fatty meals can also grease the wheel
and are more species appropriate.
Denise

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Kathie Middlemiss <geekgirl717@...>
wrote:
I know I'm probably just paranoid here, but I think something is up
with Max.

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10a. Re: Best-in-Show line up 50% raw
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:55 pm ((PDT))

Hmmm, professional breeder's or handler's "secrets" - many of them, I
bet, get some kind of lovely subsidies from the major pet food corps
for saying they feed their brand(s) or sending pups home with 'puppy
kits' with all kinds of samples and coupons!
You just have to go to one of the larger, or even smaller conformation
shows, and walk the trophy tables or vendor's row, to see their
presence - or watch the ads and banners of the sponsors on
conformation or dog sports shows on the TeeVee.

Who hasn't seen the Pedigree Breeder's commercials, with a breeder
walking through a field with adult dogs 'n puppies of a certain breed
tumbling about? Do you think they *really* feed what they're touting?
Not many of them, I'm sure. But not many of them at that level will
turn down free publicity, or free stuff for their Kennel or Specialty
Clubs to give out as trophies, or to give out to their puppy buyers,
either.

The pet food corps do it with puppy millers and professional BYB, too.
http://www.purina.com/dogs/breeders/PurinaProClub.aspx
http://www.royalcanin.us/breeders/dogclub.html
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> I know most all of the handlers, owners etc....that were in the BIS
ring.
> This is not a scientific study, it is an observational study. I
don't know
> about the bloodlhound...or the golden....for example....the West coast
> dogs...because I don't see them week after week. But I see
everybody else. We all
> talk to each other you know.....it's like you go to school
together...or
> remote extended family. You go ask them....I'm sure they will tell
you. I am not
> showing this year...but I doubt it has changed from the last year.
Sarah
> Waldorf Konigsdorf Shepherds

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11. Should a Pit Bull be fed a Raw Diet?
Posted by: "aqualitybeagles" aqualitybeagles@yahoo.com aqualitybeagles
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:45 pm ((PDT))

Hello I am a member of this list since around April 07. I breed and
show beagles. I am very happy with my choice to switch to a raw diet.

However, my parents just adopted a VERY young Pit Bull puppy (younger
than I would have liked, but that is beside the point and beyond my
control). She has only had wormer so far (Thank God) and has been
weaned onto crapinabag. She is mostly my mother's dog, my mother has
seen the results of my feeding a raw diet and is ALL for feeding her
new Pit Bull baby what is best for her - RAW! But, my father has this
idea that feeding her a raw diet will make her blood thirsty and mean!

Can anyone give me examples of Pit Bulls being fed a raw diet who are
not ferocious killers? Or is my father right? They are very
experienced and responsible dog owners, but they have never owned a
Pit Bull.

Is there anything different from feeding a raw diet to any other dog
breed that I should be aware of?

Thanks, Laura Peters
A-Quality Beagles, Reg'd.
Saint Stephen, SC
www.a-qualitybeagles.com

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12a. Re: Puppy evaluation/admonished for feeding raw
Posted by: "Denise Strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:46 pm ((PDT))

Umm, am I to understand by that by "pushed on the forleg from behind"
you mean in the area of the knee? Denise

I do not see the legs bowing out but she pushed on the foreleg from
behind and it did give way more on my girl than on the other two boys.

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