Feed Pets Raw Food: [rawfeeding] Digest Number 12086

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1.1. Re: New to Raw
From: costrowski75
1.2. Re: New to Raw
From: briargarden07
1.3. Re: New to Raw
From: Yasuko herron
1.4. Re: New to Raw
From: Michelle Grabert

2a. Questions about Pork
From: Delinda Harmon
2b. Re: Questions about Pork
From: Denise Strother
2c. Re: Questions about Pork
From: carnesbill
2d. Re: Questions about Pork
From: katkellm
2e. Re: Questions about Pork
From: katkellm

3.1. Re: I've had enough - quitting raw
From: briargarden07

4a. Re: 2yr old dog new to raw, sick
From: carnesbill

5a. Re: Chickens and Ducks
From: Denise Strother

6a. Re: Puppy evaluation/admonished for feeding raw
From: carnesbill
6b. Re: Puppy evaluation/admonished for feeding raw
From: djpohn

7a. Re: raw beginner
From: costrowski75

8a. Re: Fish and fur and other friends?
From: costrowski75
8b. Re: Fish and fur and other friends?
From: Loraine Jesse

9a. ADMIN/Re: Demodex
From: costrowski75

10a. Re: puking pets
From: Giselle

11a. Re: Demodex
From: Denise Strother

12a. Re: Getting the cat on board
From: Anita Wright

13a. Re: 4 dogs starting
From: Denise Strother

14. {Raw Feeding} Seizures
From: Brandi Bryant

15a. Re: New to the group/questions
From: Denise Strother

16a. Re: raw meat only
From: Denise Strother

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1.1. Re: New to Raw
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:03 pm ((PDT))

"aliciamyan" <alicia_larson@...> wrote:
We usually butcher 2 to 4 steer at a
> time and our customers almost never want the "extras", which means
I'll
> need another freezer!
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Oh, many freezers, for sure! One can never be too rich or too thin or
have too many freezers. Merril I think has seven now. All that lovely
trim...umm, umm good.
Chris O

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1.2. Re: New to Raw
Posted by: "briargarden07" briargarden07@yahoo.com briargarden07
Date: Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:13 pm ((PDT))

Now she is my
> best eater (still throws up hamburger) and is looking so good (she
> always looked so sad before). The best change is in doing the doggie
> doo-doo scooping--NO SMELL!!!!! My 10-year-old Irish is playing like
> a pup and his teeth are whitening up and his breath has improved
> beyond belief.

Hi! I just wanted to say that I can relate so much to your above
statement :) Its been years since I first switched to raw, but my now 7
yr old Beagle was probably about 12 months old when he had his first
raw meal. As a pup he'd been on Pukanuba, and he'd had a long, drawn
out, painful case of Pano, poor guy. A few DAYS after switching to raw,
one of my neighbors who loved to fuss over this dog, lol, gave me the
greatest proof that this diet was the way to go. It was almost ver
batum what you mentioned in your post. He told me that this dog always
looked sad before, but today, he finally seemed happy. He had no idea
we'd changed the food ...
Good luck with raw!

Noelle

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1.3. Re: New to Raw
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Thu Sep 27, 2007 8:15 pm ((PDT))

>I gave my dogs beef ribs last night for the first time and that is
>exactly what they did...ate the meat/cartilage and left the bones!

Hi. I think it depends on how tired the dog is at that time and ability of jaw strength.

I alread fed all protin sources I like to keep one round and,I am on second round,but when it was on first round,my dog corgi consumed all Neck bones and ribs that she got.
A couple of times,she left pinky finger sized bone but that is about it.

oh,no, that is not right.She could not eat ox tail bone at all although she can gnaw and get some bits off from the end.

at first round, since i did not want to give her all feeding size amount at one sitting right off the bat,so,I fed 2 feedings per day and let her adjust to raw meat.

Now,the second round,I am trying to increase one of the two meal size little bigger and the other smaller and trying to work on it and,I decided to give her once a month pleasure to her which is big amount aday and snack next day.

I know that if I feed huge hunk of meat but still bone inside,I thnk by the time she gets to bone,she eating too much and I worry I would end up diarrhea dog,so,I started with long boned Beef rib slab.7-9inch length bone so,it is pretty big in size.It was not bare bone kind of rib and there were enough Meat in slab considering I take bone away if she ate too much of bone from it.And even if she ate all meat off from ribs,not as bad,I thought.Mostly weight is that much due bone I thought.

I gave her about 2lb -3lb slab. it was funny to see she was staring at me and licking the meat,staring at me,licking the meat... I already told palette "ok" and released her to start eating as usual but I guess size of meal got her startled or something.

She finally dived in and it was funny to see how she tuckling ribs.She worked on both sideof ribs and then she put her head in between the ribs trying to chew off the end tendon(?) that still connecting the rib togeher and it was so funny.

This time, she did not eat rib bones while on first round when I gave her short ribs with 3 inches or 2 inches of meat on it,she ate all bone but not this one.

Maybe, too tired from morning walk and tuckling more than before or what,she did not eat the bone,just some edge. So,I traded this bone with chicken feet and she was happy.

After letting her out from kitchen,she soon lay on side and then,on back rubbing on carpet with some mourning with delightful smile and she took a bit of nap that day.

I was wondering if I encounter poo problems but I didn't.Maybe bit softer than usual but not much.

That big meal night,she slept like a baby so deep and,she did not wake up with garage door opening when my husband came home in the next morning.Usually,she notice and bark likecrazy andwake me up from inside the crate.

Really,big meal like this or the meal that needs work out make dog more tired and satisfied I think.

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1.4. Re: New to Raw
Posted by: "Michelle Grabert" chalienme@yahoo.com chalienme
Date: Thu Sep 27, 2007 8:18 pm ((PDT))

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I have to say, I am not sure who enjoys raw feeding more, my dogs or me. I look forward to giving it to them everyday as much as they enjoy getting it. This is my favorite thing about it aside from the pleasureable feeling of knowing I am doing something good for them. michelle

briargarden07 <briargarden07@yahoo.com> wrote: Now she is my
> best eater (still throws up hamburger) and is looking so good (she
> always looked so sad before). The best change is in doing the doggie
> doo-doo scooping--NO SMELL!!!!! My 10-year-old Irish is playing like
> a pup and his teeth are whitening up and his breath has improved
> beyond belief.

Noelle

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2a. Questions about Pork
Posted by: "Delinda Harmon" dharmon@homenetnw.net delinda_harmon
Date: Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:11 pm ((PDT))

The packing plant today where I get meat for my babies, almost refused to
give my pork offal, because they don't want to be responsible for my dogs
getting sick. I have read many times of the members of this site feeding
pork. Is there anything I should be aware of?

Also, if a dog is raw fed, and mine are of course, would the be prone to
taking down farm animals. I have an english mastiff and a boxer. People tell
me that now my dogs have a taste for blood and cannot live near farms or
ranches.

Anyone on here ever have a problem?

Thank you,
Delinda

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2b. Re: Questions about Pork
Posted by: "Denise Strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Thu Sep 27, 2007 8:20 pm ((PDT))

<The packing plant today where I get meat for my babies, almost
refused to give my pork offal, because they don't want to be
responsible for my dogs getting sick. I have read many times of the
members of this site feeding pork. Is there anything I should be aware
of?

Yes, that people talk a lot about things when they don't know what
they are talking about. My 3 dogs and my son's girlfriend's dog just
finishes an 8lb shoulder roast that they have been eating on for
several days.

<Also, if a dog is raw fed, and mine are of course, would the be prone
to taking down farm animals. I have an english mastiff and a boxer.
People tell me that now my dogs have a taste for blood and cannot live
near farms or ranches. Anyone on here ever have a problem?

No. I don't think my dogs would connect their pork roast with a live
pig, or their lamb head with a live lamb, etc. They might chase a
chicken, pig, goat, etc.; but not because the see dinner. They will
chase a cat if it runs too, but they've never eaten one. Denise

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2c. Re: Questions about Pork
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Thu Sep 27, 2007 8:22 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Delinda Harmon" <dharmon@...>
wrote:
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> I have read many times of the members of this site feeding
> pork. Is there anything I should be aware of?

Yes, you should be aware that pork is very good to feed your dogs.
It's nutritious, easily digested, and the bones are relatively soft.

> Also, if a dog is raw fed, and mine are of course, would the
> be prone to
> taking down farm animals.

Nope.

> I have an english mastiff and a boxer. People tell
> me that now my dogs have a taste for blood and cannot live
> near farms or ranches.

I've heard that too. It's not true. There is a cattle farm right
next door to me seperated by a barb wire fence. The dogs can get
through the barb wire with no problem but they don't. Well ... Abby
does occasionally when she's chasing a deer but never to chase
cows. I always wonder what would happen if she finally did catch a
deer. :) :) :)

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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> Thank you,
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2d. Re: Questions about Pork
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:54 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Delinda Harmon" <dharmon@...> wrote:
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I have an english mastiff and a boxer. People tell
> me that now my dogs have a taste for blood and cannot live near farms or
> ranches.

Hi Delinda,
No, there is no truth to this. Prey drive is prey drive and dogs that
have a high prey drive have it based on lots of factors, none of which
include being raw fed. I live on thoroughbred horse farm. We foal
mares and raise babies. I have a dog, rescued as a 6ish week old pup
from a garbage dump whose mother was a jindo dog that had taken to
running with a pack of coyotes-the suspected father. AC came, took the
pups which were destroyed because they were considered unsafe to
adopt. Well, they missed one puppy, dh brought him home, and he is
now 3 years old. Sid was kibble fed his first year-didn't know any
better--and he had tons of prey drive, tried to take down foals, take
down anything on a bike, eat the neighbor's dog... You get the idea,
lots of training issues

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2e. Re: Questions about Pork
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:58 pm ((PDT))

Hi Delinda,
No, there is no truth to this. Prey drive is prey drive and dogs that
have a high prey drive have it based on lots of factors, none of which
include being raw fed. I live on thoroughbred horse farm. We foal
mares and raise babies. I have a dog, rescued as a 6ish week old pup
from a garbage dump whose mother was a jindo dog that had taken to
running with a pack of coyotes-the suspected father. AC came, took the
pups which were destroyed because they were considered unsafe to
adopt. Well, they missed one puppy, dh brought him home, and he is
now 3 years old. Sid was kibble fed his first year-didn't know any
better--and he has tons of prey drive. We worked through lots of lets
eat the cat,down a foal or steal a lamb type issues, and he learned
what he could chase and what belonged to me. He became an excellent
farm/family dog. Since i started raw feeding, he has not reverted to
his bad boy ways. He didn't go crazy and forgot the rules and start
to attack things. People say lots of things that just plain and
simple ain't true. KathyM

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3.1. Re: I've had enough - quitting raw
Posted by: "briargarden07" briargarden07@yahoo.com briargarden07
Date: Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:14 pm ((PDT))

> The puppies are related but very distantly. I thougth the same thing
> as you did about the house and stuff. Puppies just don't get it that
> young and that violent and strange form. I have nothing in the house
> that a puppy can chew on that is not safe, only dog toys, bones and
> raw hide from the pet store. Dogs never run around unattended. So all
> I can suspect is food and/or water or cheimicals I use to clean the
> floor.
>
>

I was just about to ask this very question when I saw someone else
already beat me to it. I am curious as to exactly why you would suspect
diet is making your dogs sick when, since you mention they are
distantly related, you are not taking GENETICS into account here?
Obviously, this pup is the same breed as your last dog. Were they both
from the same breeder? Can you find out if the dogs in your pup's
vertical pedigree are dying of cancer? This means the siblings of your
dogs sire, dam, grandparents, ect. You need to contact this breeder and
let her know of your concerns, and demand, oh yeah, DEMAND she give you
references of owners who have siblings of your dogs sire & dam, and
those who have full or half littermates to your pup.
As a breeder myself, I can tell you that far too often genetic
disease is swept under the carpet by breeders AND pet owners. If I had
a dog of the same breed, especially one that shared common ancestors in
a 3-4 gen pedigree, I'd be focusing my suspicions on genetics. Don't
tell yourself that a dog a few generations back, especially if there
was inbreeding or close linebreeding, will not contribute any to the
health and temperament of your pup. These problems have to come from
somewhere, and you already know they are distantly related.
What you need to do is call the breeder and let her know of your
suspicions. If possible, get references from owners of the full and
half littermates to your pup, and the littermates of your dog's sire &
dam. Ask those references if they've ever encountered cancer.
Cancer in some breeds (Goldens, Boxers) is genetic - its basically
the inheritance of a poor immune system. Check your dog's pedigree. Is
the same dog listed 3x or more in three generations? Are there more
than one dogs whose names are listed 2-3x in three generations? If so,
the pup is inbred or very closely linebred. Some lines do well with
inbreeding in moderation, others become a veritable genetic mess. I
think thats what you have on your hands, a genetic problem, pure and
simple.
I can guarantee you that if you switch your dog to cooked or
kibble, the symptoms will still persist. You cannot place a stopper on
a genetic timebomb ... you can take out the batteries, cut the wires -
but it will still eventually explode :(
My advice would be to get your dog to a good Vet and explain your
concerns. You may be able to catch something before it gets out of
control, and prolong the life of the dog significantly.
You asked for others opinions on this and I wil give you mine.
When my pups eat raw foods, their coats are thicker, richer. They do
not suffer from the foul body odor and stool smell as do kibble fed
litters. They do not have eye discharge. Their bone structure actually
improves if the bitch is fed raw while in whelp. When their puppy teeth
fall out, kibble fed pups will loose teeth that are a dingy white - raw
fed pups's teeth are so bright white I wonder if they could glow in the
dark. My raw fed pups do not catch corona, but my litters eating kibble
or cooked meats do. We had a bout of corona a while back, and like
clockwork, the kibble/cooked foods litter get a full blast of it if
they are too young to be vaccinated. My pups who are grown on raw do
not get Pano. They grow strong, healthy. They don't have breathing
problems, greasy or thin coats. Their ears are sparkling clean. While
my litters raised on good quality kibble, and ESPECIALLY those who ate
some canned foods have had snoring problems (which goes away when
kibble is taken out of the equation), oily coats, infected, smelly
ears, body odor until kibble is removed, dirty teeth at a young
agethinner coats, poorer bone structure ...... You just can't compare
the pups I have raised on kibble as opposed to raw.

Noelle

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4a. Re: 2yr old dog new to raw, sick
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Thu Sep 27, 2007 8:19 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Kay" <k12lytle@...> wrote:
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> However, she's having bouts of vomiting. I don't remember
> how many
> weeks it's been since I switched her. Maybe 3.

> It isn't all the time. We've had 2 small
> spots that contained bone pieces that were the size of 1/2
> a cracker several weeks ago. Then today she's barfed
> everywhere, liquid & grass.

Let me see if I understand this correctly. You began your dog on
chicken backs about 3 weeks ago. She threw up twice in the first
few days and had a bone fragment or two each time. The next 2 weeks
or so, no problem. Then today she threw up a few times with no bone
present, only liquid and grass. She had buffalo ribs last night
before she threw up.

If I have the picture correct, I don't see a big problem here. Just
a little tweaking. You are still early into raw feeding and may
have rushed things a little bit.

Here's what I would do if it were my dog. For the next week, feed
nothing but chicken backs, quarters, and turkey necks. More
quarters than anything. It seems she does well on chicken and
turkey. The next week after that feed the same thing except two
meals would be pork roasts (not ribs). If all is still ok, the next
week throw in a new protein source for a meal or two, mabye beef or
even buffalo or veal but feed real meaty pieces, not ribs. Also
don't feed a lot of meals with a new protein source to give the dog
time to adjust.

If all is still ok, I think you could pretty much feed what you
want. Be sure you are not feeding too large of meals for the next
couple of weeks. In general I think some more meaty meals would be
good.

Again, I don't see a real serious problem here. Just go more slowly
to give time to adjust.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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5a. Re: Chickens and Ducks
Posted by: "Denise Strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Thu Sep 27, 2007 8:21 pm ((PDT))

No, they don't equate the live chickens with the stuff you're feeding
them. I don't know why people think this. Most of the poultry and/or
livestock killing dogs I've known were kibble fed. I guess I should
admit that switching a stock killing kibble fed dog to raw won't make
the dog stop killing stock. That's one thing rawfeeding can't cure.
Denise

> If I start feeding my dogs raw will they bother my chickens and
ducks that they now get along fine with?
> Thank You
Francine

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6a. Re: Puppy evaluation/admonished for feeding raw
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Thu Sep 27, 2007 8:23 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "cavkist" <cavkist@...> wrote:
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> She told me that
> by feeding raw I'm giving my puppies too many calories from
protein
> and their front legs are starting to "bow out" because of the
> improper nutrition.

Can you see the legs "bowing out" or do you just take the judges
word that they are? Many people mistakenly think that too much
protein causes growth problems. If your judge knew about raw, she
could possibly "imagined" they were "bowed" thinking that too much
protein will cause it eventually. Laura is right, too much calcium
(bone) COULD cause this problem as well as too much nutrition.

If it was my dog and I could actually see bowed legs, I would feed
less bone AND less total food. I'm sure you know that puppies
should be on the thin side.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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6b. Re: Puppy evaluation/admonished for feeding raw
Posted by: "djpohn" dpohn@aol.com djpohn
Date: Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:57 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "cavkist" <cavkist@...> wrote:
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> Hello group -
> I had my litter of Cavalier pups evaluated today by a well-known AKC
> judge who routinely evaluates litters for breeders. She told me that
> by feeding raw I'm giving my puppies too many calories from protein
> and their front legs are starting to "bow out" because of the
improper
> nutrition.

Caren,
If they pups legs are bowing this might be an indication of "rickets"
which is actually caused by a vitamin D deficiency not too much
protein. This could be a result of a deficiency that occurred during
the pregnancy or something lacking in the diet. I didn't see where you
posted what you are feeding them now and what you fed the female when
she was pregnant.

Hope everything is ok.

Diana

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7a. Re: raw beginner
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Sep 27, 2007 8:33 pm ((PDT))

"lamar.vaughan" <jlamarvaughan@...> wrote:>
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> Would it upset
> his system if I made a sudden change over or should he be slowly
> introduced to raw?
*****
Digestive upset can be greatly reduced by feeding an appropriate
amount of food, by sticking to one meat for a while, by limiting fat,
by feeding edible bones, by feeding more rather than fewer meals to
start with. Since these "arrangements" can be made prior to the Big
Day, there is no reason to prolong the insult of kibble.

I have transitioned dogs from kibble to raw and I have also dumped
the kibble and started a fully-raw diet with no transition at all.
The cold turkey method is no more likely to screw things up than the
transition method if you do it sensibly.

I recommend getting the pup off kibble without delay.

Also, does it matter if I serve raw room temperature
> or should it be served right out of the fridge?
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There's no dietary or digestive reason to feed straight from the
fridge. Some dogs prefer cold food, some people prefer to feed cold
food. I prefer to feed room temperature and my dogs have not shown
any preference one way or the other.
Chris O

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8a. Re: Fish and fur and other friends?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Sep 27, 2007 8:43 pm ((PDT))

Michelle Grabert <chalienme@...> wrote:
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> ok, so whatever fowl or critter you are feeing they get ALL, fur
and feathers?
*****
Theoretically. Some dogs dig right in, other prefer to take the hair
off, some won't go NEAR the thing til it's been processed. Once you
know how your dogs eat, you'll know how much processing you must do
to feed them these things.

Of my three adult retrievers, one eats rabbit and other small
critters without any intervention from me. Another eats rabbit after
it's been skinned. The third will have nothing to do with rabbit or
whole fish but he will enjoy a skin-on cow foot or a hairy sheep
leg. All three are willing to eat fully feathered chickens but
they're not thrilled by having to slow down to get rid of the
feathers.

Do they eat the fur and feathers>?
*****
Depends on the dog. It's surely possible.

And with fish....fed whole...all those needle sharp bones inside are
perfectly ok for pups/dogs to swallow and eat?
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Yes. When fed raw they are quite pliable. If fish bones don't make
it for you, feed boneless filets or bag fish entirely. It's not that
big a deal.
Chris O

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8b. Re: Fish and fur and other friends?
Posted by: "Loraine Jesse" rothburg@hotmail.com loraine_jesse
Date: Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:59 pm ((PDT))

Would smelt be okay to feed puppies as young as 5 wks?
Loraine Jessewww.rothburgrottweilers.com

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9a. ADMIN/Re: Demodex
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Sep 27, 2007 8:50 pm ((PDT))

As long as this thread remains on topic (that is to say: raw feeding)
it's appropriate to the Rawfeeding list. The moment it goes off into
other Demodex issues it will be OFF topic and will have to move
promptly to RawChat.

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10a. Re: puking pets
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:41 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Todd!
Don't forget the heads, we like to talk about eating heads,
too! ^_^

New-to-raw dogs often have bone bits in their poop and sometimes hork
up bone bits, too. This is often because their digestive systems
aren't up to speed enough to entirely digest bone. Being dogs, they
have NP horking it up. Thats a good thing. ; ) The other reason why
newbie dogs get BBV or 'fossil poop' is because newbie owners are
often enamored of their dog's need for and ability to crunch and
consume bone, hence, they feed them too much of it.
10% edible bone is an essential part of the diet, but a small part.

Personally, the only time I've seen my Bea hork up anything, its been
beef bone, which she gets very little of. When she eats beef, its
usually heart, or on-sale-OMG-its so-cheap-I-can't-pass-it-by ground
beef, or slabs of beef ribs that I toss out once she's done
'flossing', or something less frequent and more exotic like bison
tongue - a special treat.

I think your guys would do better with easily consumable/digestible
bone, much less or no, beef bone, plenty more meat with a little bone
meals, lots more meatymeat-no-bone meals.

TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> mostly I think it was bone bile vomit. my wife was home and tried to
describe it, she saved a bone about 1.5 inch to show me. I think she
threw up three times after some beef bones and pig necks. her poop
looks like a snakes poop, dry with a white bone finish. I am so happy
I have found people who enjoy talking about guts, puke and dog poop as
much as me:)
> Todd

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11a. Re: Demodex
Posted by: "Denise Strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:54 pm ((PDT))

Hi Christy,

I am not the one with the bulldog, but I do fostering and come
across more than my fair share of demodex. Yes, raw feeding will
make a huge difference with demodex. Here's the deal. All dogs have
demodex mites. They live in the hair follicles. The mites migrate
from the momma dog to the puppies and most of the time are not an
issue. BTW, people can have these mites. Anyway, the mites become a
problem when the dogs immune system is not good. The mites overgrow
and cause the problem. The vets normally treat the symptom, the
mites, instead of the illness, a bad immune system. Feeding raw and
not poisoning the dog helps to repair the immune system. You can put
a few drops of lavender essential oil in a carrier oil and apply it
to the itchy spot th relieve the itching. There are other things you
can do also, I'm sure others will give you recipes for anti-itch
stuff. I like the oil based ones because it seems like the oil based
stuff works better on demodex to sooth the skin. I'm sure homeopathy
will help. I haven't tried that because of the expense and because
rawfeeding, no vaccinations, no poison, no antibiotics and a little
lavender oil have done the trick. The last foster I had with demodex
had generalized demo and went from having no hair to hair all over
in about 6 weeks. I'm sure you will hear from other rescuers and
fosters especially. Hope this helps. Denise

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "cr008k" <crakoczy@...> wrote:
Molly has a mild case of localized demodex and was put on some kind
of medicine from the vet that she gets orally by a syringe once a
day. My question, for the person who said they fed their bulldog
with demodex on raw and that the dog was looking great (or anyone
else who has experience with this) will the raw food really have an
affect on the demodex and if so, how long will it take to see an
improvement in her itching. She's been on the meds from the vet for
almost 3 weeks and she still has a red spot on one of her legs and
she is still itching :( We're planning on starting on chickens
(either whole or the chicken quarters) and then slowly introducing
other proteins and organs.
Thanks!
Christy

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12a. Re: Getting the cat on board
Posted by: "Anita Wright" craftyhoosiermama@gmail.com anita42776
Date: Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:55 pm ((PDT))

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Hi, Anita!
I have to get a clarification from you for my own peace of mind;
You are only feeding chicken BACKS now?
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey
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well chicken backs, breasts and eggs actually, but the eggs are in a
different container. Sorry that wasn't more clear, I have a 2 yr old who
loves climbing on me whenever I sit down to check emails;)
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~Anita

Keep up with us at http://craftywrights.blogspot.com/

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13a. Re: 4 dogs starting
Posted by: "Denise Strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:55 pm ((PDT))

Trina,
I feed on towels. Here is how I trained my dogs to stay on the towel.
I put the towel down, put the meat on the towel and let the dog start
to eat. If the dog tries to leave the towel with the meat, I take it
from him/her and put it back on the towel. After a while they get it.
How long varies from dog to dog. If this won't work for you, feed in
crates. When they are finished wipe the floor of the crate with a
50/50 solution of white vinegar and water. No mess, no odor, no
chemicals. BTW, vinegar is anti-bacterial also. Denise

I'm having the same problems but i never free fed the dogs i have now!
Unfortunately, they are dragging the chicken around & I have a 2 year
old son. I can't mop every single day my whole house...... I need to
be realistic here.
Trina

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14. {Raw Feeding} Seizures
Posted by: "Brandi Bryant" bbryant573@gmail.com bbryant573
Date: Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:55 pm ((PDT))

Ok, I got some more information from my friend that has the female
sheltie that's having seizures. She will be 2 in Jan., she started
having seizures in April - started out that wouldn't have the seizures
about every month and they started increasing. Now she's having them
every 2 weeks. She's on 32.16 mg of Phenabarbertor (sp) - half that
amount 16 something which she gives her pup twice a day. She's
interested in RAW if she thinks that it would help her with the
seizures.

Any suggestions I could give her?

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Brandi
Bartlesville, Ok
www.obediencetrainingclubofbartlesville.com

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15a. Re: New to the group/questions
Posted by: "Denise Strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:56 pm ((PDT))

Me three. When I found out about raw prey model feeding it just made
good sense to me. Also, having lived in rural areas where my dogs ran
loose, I was used to them dragging stuff up that they found dead or
killed and eating it. I've seen dogs run crows and buzzards off of a
nice roadkill. Denise

> I'll have to stand next to Chris :-)

> On 9/26/07, costrowski75 <Chriso75@...> wrote:
> I would just like to state for the record that I was not a wreck and
I thought the sound of crunching bones was utterly amazing.

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16a. Re: raw meat only
Posted by: "Denise Strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:57 pm ((PDT))

I disagree with your premise. I have seen dogs with chronic ear
infections on a BARF diet, that when switched to raw prey model,
disappeared.(The infection, not the dog) Dogs on meds for arthritis
that were able to cut back on amounts or eliminate all together when
switched. Now this might not be "scientific" in your eyes, but, it's
proof enough for me. Besides, if you go by scientific studies, then
you ought to know the ones done by the dog food companies say that you
should be feeding their food anyway. Denise

Its true that wolves do not go around eating veggies. From what I have
found there is no scientific proof whether it benefits the dog to have
them, at least that I have found. A dog will be fine without them but
its up in the air whether they may do better with them. Figuring that
one out would require 20 years of study most likely.
peter

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