[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12076

There are 21 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: off topic hot ears
From: Giselle

2a. Re: new to RAW, but my English Mastiff is loving it
From: Giselle
2b. Re: new to RAW, but my English Mastiff is loving it
From: T Smith
2c. Re: new to RAW, but my English Mastiff is loving it
From: Laurie Swanson

3a. Re: Pet Tabs Plus/Vitamin A
From: Giselle

4a. Re: Going to start!
From: T Smith

5a. Re: Crab bait?
From: T Smith
5b. Re: Crab bait?
From: girlndocs

6a. Re: FYI for newbies
From: girlndocs
6b. Re: FYI for newbies
From: T Smith
6c. Re: FYI for newbies
From: steph.sorensen

7a. Re: feeding fish and smaller bones
From: T Smith

8.1. Re: I've had enough - quitting raw
From: kkellogg22004

9. Feeding Frozen RAW
From: T Smith

10a. Re: Success! ( Question of my own on poop
From: T Smith

11. 10 Mo Old English Mastiff
From: tdifr62

12. New to the group/questions
From: Jen Craver

13a. Starting to get a little frustrated here...
From: steph.sorensen
13b. Re: Starting to get a little frustrated here...
From: katkellm

14. Re: Mastiffs do great on raw
From: Maofryan@aol.com

15. Pork as a starter?
From: Kathie Middlemiss

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1a. Re: off topic hot ears
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:49 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Lynda!
It is OT, and would be better to take this to raw chat;
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/RawChat/

There are many of the same peeps on that list - its just because of
the high volume on this list.

Just one word before I meet you over in raw chat; mites?

TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> I trust this group, so here is my problem. my Dane with natural ears
> has been spending more time lying down in the woods. real dry and
> dusty now. I cleaned his ears a couple of weeks ago and they were
> dirty. and the last couple of days he has been shaking his head,
> flapping the ears, and today I felt them and they were hot. and dark
> red inside. I cleaned them again and got brown dirt. no blood. none
> of the dark wax that I got a couple of weeks ago. I have not had to
> deal with this before so am open to your good ideas. thanks.
> take care,
> lynda and maude and franklin
>

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2a. Re: new to RAW, but my English Mastiff is loving it
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 12:19 am ((PDT))

Hi, Angela!
Welcome to the raw side!

What, exactly, are you feeding now?

This list support a species appropriate raw whole prey model diet.
A link to my recommendations for starting raw feeding;
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/141374

post # 141374

Sure, you can post pics, but don't ask me how. Dunno. ; )

TC and let us know of your progress!
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> AND reaping all the benefits. Hello, I'm new to this group but I do
> belong to an English Mastiff group. I'm very new to this RAW feeding
> (only been at it for approx 1 month) but I have seen such an increase
> in his activity level and cleaning up after him in the yard is much
> easier.
>
> Can you guys provide me with more education on RAW?? I want to become
> more knowledgeable on this subject.
>
> Thank you
>
> Angela
>
> ps, can I post pics here of my Mel?
>

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2b. Re: new to RAW, but my English Mastiff is loving it
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:29 am ((PDT))

What are you feeding them?
Higher energy level?
What about weight? How do you montior their food amount & weight level. I
am afraid mine will lose weight!
Trina

On 9/25/07, mastiffmom08012 <mastiffmom08012@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> AND reaping all the benefits. Hello, I'm new to this group but I do
> belong to an English Mastiff group. I'm very new to this RAW feeding
> (only been at it for approx 1 month) but I have seen such an increase
> in his activity level and cleaning up after him in the yard is much
> easier.
>
> Can you guys provide me with more education on RAW?? I want to become
> more knowledgeable on this subject.
>
> Thank you
>
> Angela
>

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2c. Re: new to RAW, but my English Mastiff is loving it
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:29 am ((PDT))

Angela,

Glad your dog is doing well on raw. What kinds of things do you want
to know?

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "mastiffmom08012"
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> Can you guys provide me with more education on RAW?? I want to
become
> more knowledgeable on this subject.
>

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3a. Re: Pet Tabs Plus/Vitamin A
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 12:24 am ((PDT))

Hi, Renee!
Why not clue him in to the O6 / O3 story, and encourage him
to give them Salmon or Fish Body oil supps?

Now, thats something that would benefit your dogs, unless you're
feeding primarily wild or grass fed.
http://timberwolforganics.com/pet-omega-oils

http://www.icelandpure.com/salmon_oil.htm

http://www.grizzlypetproducts.com/salmon_oil/salmon_oil.html

TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> //What does he THINK they're missing?//
>
> ***good question, Chris. I suspect he doesn't really know!
>
>
> //If you are bound by marital vows to both love AND obey, how about
> finding a dog vitamin that doesn't heavy up the A?//
>
> ***OBEY was deliberately left out of our vows <G> I think this is an
> excellent approach...I say a supplemental vitamin is fine, if he finds
> one lower in vitamin A. Trust me, he won't want to go through the
> trouble and it should be dropped at that point.
>
> Thanks-
>
> Renee W.
>

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4a. Re: Going to start!
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:29 am ((PDT))

Well, for now, I am just going to start with the two pups.
Tell me if I have this right please.
For the first week, i am just feeding raw chicken with bone.
2 - 3% of estimated adult body weight.
Louie is 100 so I suspect to feed 150 pounds of dog? so, 3 or 4 pounds of
food? I feed twice a day & treat in between. I predict Whisper will only be
130 - 150 so probably just feed her the same? She is a finicky eater, had a
rough start as a baby. I actually only fed her boiled chicken for a month
after i brought her home & didn't know if she was going to make it.
I predict she will be an "eat & I'm full" kinda gal..... Louie... I don't
know.
So, no need to add calcium, etc for the first week right? Just the chicken
is OK?
I don't want to make this too difficult or i won't be able to do it; if I
get too confused & afraid i am going to hurt my kids then I will chicken
out! But if i get it under control for these two, i can slowly add the next
ones.
For now, Casper's diet will stay the same.
OK, i await replies on the first week that starts tomorrow!
Trina

On 9/25/07, Maggie Smith <redkeds@comcast.net> wrote:
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> Way to go Trina - you are on the right track! What about Casper?
>
> Maggie, Rufus and Oliver--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com<rawfeeding%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "T Smith"
>
>

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5a. Re: Crab bait?
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:29 am ((PDT))

Crab bait is usually chicken backs
Trina

On 9/25/07, Karen Swanay <luvbullbreeds@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I doubt your grocery store would be allowed to sell rotten meat in any
> way.
> What it is most likely is necks, bits of trim and meats that are past
> their
> sell by date but not rotten. You could feed it if you knew what it was.
> Certainly you don't want her having lots of processed meats. But that's a
> pretty high price for bait IMO. You can buy a whole chicken for less than
> that per lb.
> Karen
>
>

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5b. Re: Crab bait?
Posted by: "girlndocs" girlndocs@hotmail.com girlndocs
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:29 am ((PDT))

Hi Karen,

>But that's a pretty high price for bait IMO. You can buy a whole
>chicken for less than that per lb.

Don't I wish! Well, maybe in bulk, which I haven't checked out yet
because I didn't have a freezer (got one today! woot!). But around
here 79 cents/lb is a really good price for a whole chicken (or turkey
parts for that matter) and usually I'm resigned to paying 99.

Kristin

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6a. Re: FYI for newbies
Posted by: "girlndocs" girlndocs@hotmail.com girlndocs
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:29 am ((PDT))

Hi Giselle,

> A post from someone like you who has recently worked through these
> distressful episodes must be a lot more reassuring than a ton of us
> long time raw feeders, who say "Its just loose poops, it'll be fine,
> really." ^_^

Well then on that note, I'll chime in to say that Zoe's recent loose
stools cleared up too, without me doing anything but switching her
back to chicken for a day.

And they were kind of alarming hershey squirts, too, the sudden,
squat-in-the-middle-of-the-street, "Hey mom, what's going on with my
butt?" kind.

It's just loose poops, it'll be fine, really :P

Kristin

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6b. Re: FYI for newbies
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:29 am ((PDT))

Thank you for your post.
I have doggie doors for all the dogs but they don't necessarily use them at
their age ( 4 & 5 & 7 months). The others are adults.
They don't poop in the house but I dread it might happen on the change of
diet.
This is also why I am choosing to change over a couple dogs at a time. That
way there's not messes in every area of the house!.
Also, the pups I am changing first are the ones who've never really had
normal poop since I've had them. I am hoping for this to help. I have NOT
talked to my vet about it because I am the type of person who tells my vet
what I am feeding, not what they think of what I feed. These are MY family
& I know them, I have them with me all the time. I appreciate & respect my
vet's opinion & education but they miss many things because they are not
there 24/7 WITH * my * pet watching them & they can only go at it from a
scientific view. Vets are always learning, too. This is what I expect but
i also feel a vet should LEARN from the owner as well: especially those of
us who have been involved in dogs for so many years. Vets should be open
minded to the wants, needs & preferences of their clientel. Perhaps because
of my experience & knowledge in dogs I don't run into the vets telling me
"don't feed this or that"? like some people have been talking about here?
I just do not understand why these vets are saying & doing the things they
are doing to people....if a person wants to feed RAW, then the vet should
look into it OR admit their inexperience with it & try to learn more & see
what effects it has on the dogs throughout their life of feeding it. Not
discourage from lack of knowledge.
I will let you all know what my vet thinks because he's been also battling
with this soft stool & diarrhea issue with our pups & it's frustrating to
all. I've NO clue his opinion on this RAW side.
Again, THANK YOU for your posting, it was very much needed (at least for me
to read)
Trina
errr....sorry if that went off topic, i need sleep!.

On 9/25/07, Anna Labriola <taggartgalt@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Hello, all.
>
> I just wanted to share my story for all the newer newbies than me. I
> got my pup at 10 weeks old(brown doberman.) The breeder fed his dad
> all raw, but the pups kibble in the am, chicken drumsticks and/or
> sardines at night. A week after we got him home, he began having
> diarrhea. I took him off the raw, but the diarrhea continued. We
> decided to try all raw instead and from then on, he wouldn't eat the
> kibble at all!! Now, for about a month or two, he would alterate
> between softer stool and solid stool. It really took him (and me) a
> long time to get his bowels adjusted. Now, he recently ate most of a
> beef heart and had the dark brown, runny, liquidy poo, but, the next
> bowel movement was completely normal.
> <snipped>
>

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6c. Re: FYI for newbies
Posted by: "steph.sorensen" steph.sorensen@yahoo.com steph.sorensen
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 4:01 am ((PDT))

Okay, I guess I wrote too soon! Here I am, talking about how
frustrated I am with Scarlet's midnight poop puddles, when I think
the answer to my problem is really investing in a dog door so the
poop at least leaves the building! My whole house smells like poop
right now, and it's horrible!! And this was after a chicken meal!
They usually have hard, yellowish poops after chicken, but not
Scarlet lately. Her leaving puddles of poo by my back door in our
basement is getting old really fast. *sigh*

Steph
Scarlet, Lucy and Minkey (the kitty)

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "girlndocs" <girlndocs@...> wrote:
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> Hi Giselle,
>
> > A post from someone like you who has recently worked through these
> > distressful episodes must be a lot more reassuring than a ton of
us
> > long time raw feeders, who say "Its just loose poops, it'll be
fine,
> > really." ^_^
>
> Well then on that note, I'll chime in to say that Zoe's recent loose
> stools cleared up too, without me doing anything but switching her
> back to chicken for a day.
>
> And they were kind of alarming hershey squirts, too, the sudden,
> squat-in-the-middle-of-the-street, "Hey mom, what's going on with my
> butt?" kind.
>
> It's just loose poops, it'll be fine, really :P
>
> Kristin
>

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7a. Re: feeding fish and smaller bones
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:30 am ((PDT))

Pork loin here is $4.19/lb (I think my family will be eating that!) & they
bought 10 pounds of chicken thighs tonight to start with. I already have
boneless breast I can give for treats during the day right? I am afraid I
won't feed them enough!
How much food is 9 cups of k***le = to lbs of meat with bone?
OK, I'm REALLY stressing about this. All your fault Maggie :-)
Trina
--
Chip (deaf Dalmatian)
Casper (deaf Great Dane)
Whisper (deaf Great Dane)
Louie (hearing Great Dane)
Joey (deaf & blind Lhasa Apso)
Amy (disabled Lhasa Apso)
Cassandra (disabled Lhasa Apso)
Mr Paris (Lhasa Apso)
Chloe (deaf & blind Spaniel mix)

On 9/25/07, michelle.pinkney <michelle.pinkney@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Hi all
>
> I am new to raw feeding and to this group - we have two beautiful
> black labrador pups, now 15 weeks old. Of course we wanted to give
> them the best food we could and so did lots of research. They love
> their raw food! We have only been feeding raw for about 2 weeks. So
> far we have fed whole chickens, cut into quarters, meaty pork spare
> ribs, liver and beef bolar roast (special treat!!). The dogs are
> loving their food and we have had no problems, except very runny
> yellow poop to start with. I took the skin off the chicken and that
> solved the problem.
>
> So far I haven't fed fish. Fish is extremely expensive in New
> Zealand so will probably have to send my husband out to catch some.
> How often should I feed fish and how necessary is it?
>
> Also I bought pork hock with small bits of bone in it and worried
> that the pups might swallow the bone whole so cut it out. Is it
> better to avoid those kind of cuts?
>
> Reading your advice in this group has given me so much guidance!
> Thanks
>
> Michelle with Bing and Spencer (labrador pups)
>
>

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8.1. Re: I've had enough - quitting raw
Posted by: "kkellogg22004" kkellogg22004@yahoo.com kkellogg22004
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:31 am ((PDT))

Vickie,

I really feel for you, trying to find the best care for your sick
puppy, with the humans snapping at your flanks!

I'm new to this list, but wanted to mention that in 30 years of taking
pets to veterinarians, in four different states, it became glaringly
obvious that vet schools provide next to no nutritional instruction,
and the little they do is subsidized and sometimes even taught by the
big petfood manufacturers - as hard to believe as this is. I've had
several honest vets admit this, and I respected them for it. One
explained it to me, saying that they simply could not be well-versed
in every aspect of healthcare, so nutrition was given a lower priority
than urgent care....to me, this is a reasonable answer - but it means
that we have to assume more responsibility in choosing our pets'
diets. The more arrogant vets behave as yours did, hurling blame
because he felt defensive about his lack of knowledge. Please don't
believe him. And, while I realize this is getting expensive, please
find another vet.

Physicians have likewise traditionally gotten inadequate nutritional
instruction in medical school, although that's probably changing now.
This has just been the standard orientation of Western medicine as
well as veterinary medicine. I worked in hospitals for years, and had
doctors in my family. Again, the less arrogant would admit that they
didn't know *everything* there was to know - and these are the doctors
I trust. You don't want to put your health, or your pet's, in the
hands of someone who's threatened by new information.

Sorry this is long-winded, but your dilemma really touched my heart.
I hope a good vet (or even this one) gets to the bottom of your
puppy's problem soon. Take care!

Kate

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9. Feeding Frozen RAW
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:31 am ((PDT))

OHHH!!!
You reminded me of a question I had.
Can I feed frozen?
Like a frozen boneless chicken breast as a treat: not the meal but for
treats in between meals?
Trina Again (my new last name) :-P

On 9/25/07, Laurie Swanson <laurie@mckinneyphoto.com> wrote:
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> There are a lot of benefits to feeding whole parts, not ground. Dental
> hygiene (a biggie!), mental/physical engagement, satisfaction of
> chewing/tearing...it also gives the digestive system more time to
> prepare, with enzymes, etc., so digestion is better. It is better for
> blood sugar issues/pancreatitis, etc. to not feed ground<snipped>
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10a. Re: Success! ( Question of my own on poop
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:31 am ((PDT))

The teeth thing.
I will be putting this to the test.
Do you mean for old dogs too?
My Dal will turn your food green!
I love him, I truly love my old guy, I've had him since the second he was
born, his mum, grand dam, great grand dam, too but man - o - man does his
breath stench blow even a doggie person out of their chair! He has "death
breath". I'm not kidding folks & he cannot have a dental. Anesthesia is
not an option for him. Do you really think this will help?
Also, for those who may have Dals... they fart (no nice way to say it!) &
they will clear out the room with one toot. We have air freshener sprays in
every room (I kid you not)....
Even Casper my Dane pup is starting with the gas! They eat different foods,
too....
Well, I will say this, the vet did put Chip (the old Dal) on Pepsid because
his old vet had him WAY over medicated (peewww BRB)
...
...
..
.
OK, strawberry....
Now, where was I? Oh yes, the Pepsid, at least the gas smells "fresher" not
so rancid.... ANYONE have a gassy dog on RAW OR had a gassy dog that changed
went the RAW diet was introduced?
Chip's gas is a wee more tolerable now with the pepsid.......ALL my Dals &
friends' Dal have this issue......But lordie be, Dane gas too? Please tell
me it ain't so...
Trina
AGAIN

On 9/25/07, Kaitlin Fraser <fraserk7@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Congrads on your good luck!
>
> I get more compliments on my dogs beautiful teeth, coats that look like
> crystal and good breath...( ya a dog with good breath)... to the point
> when
> someone asks what I feed, I smile... tell them RAW... and then say" Don't
> bash it... you just told me how amazing he was"....
>
> Raws a wonder working, my older two none raw feds coats... used to look
> great compared to other peoples dogs coats... and they get raw eggs. But
> their breath, coat and teeth arn't half as nice.
> <SNIPPED>
>
(deaf & blind Spaniel mix)

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11. 10 Mo Old English Mastiff
Posted by: "tdifr62" tdifraia@comcast.net tdifr62
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 3:19 am ((PDT))

I have a 10 Month Old English Mastiff who was handed over to me on a
Raw Diet. My breeder feeds raw. I nervously continued the trend. I
read at least a 1/2 dozen raw books and asked questions. I used THIS
group for help, they offered alot of help and support. At first it
seemed complicated but as time passed it became extremely simple.
Today it is second nature. I couldn't and wouldn't go back to
kibble. I love my dog too much. His favorite time of day are his
feeding times. He literally hops like a rabbit when I get his food.
He ENJOYS his food. The variety, the texture. He loves to eat.
He looks great, has tons of energy and has pearly whites. His coat
is rich and eyes sparkle. It may be a little more work, and by a
little I do mean a little, but it is so worth it. I am so glad I did
not give in and go back to kibble when I had my doubts. Imagine if
you had to eat the same dry cereal every day for food. I can not.
Anyways to those who are just starting out. Stay the coarse. THINK
about what you are doing when your feeding the same dry food every
day. Ask yourself isn't your dog worth it to give him the best? And
to those who were here to support me when I had my doubts. Thank You
So Much for your help!!! Thank you and keep up the good work!!!
Tommy D.

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12. New to the group/questions
Posted by: "Jen Craver" jcraver1@nc.rr.com ncrnrgrl
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 4:00 am ((PDT))

Hi all,
Just joined the group - and have a few questions.

I am new-ish to raw feeding, and have already almost completely trasitioned my 6 month old over raw but I'm unclear on some of the advice I've been given.
I am feeding predominanty a mixture of chicken backs/necks and turkey necks - that so far is what I have local/easy access too - when I need to I can get (with a little advance planning) rabbit, duck, beef etc.

I was told to try leg quarters for meatier meals - I think what I'm unclear on is how much "meat" I need to be feeding?

Additionally; I'm a little confused by amount of vegetables I should be feeding, some sources say no more than 1x week, others are telling me every day! Every day doesn't make sense to me, but I realize I don't know much!! :)

Any help would be appreciated - thanks in advance.

Jenny C
Raleigh, NC
Alcohol doesn't solve any problems, but then again, neither does milk.

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13a. Starting to get a little frustrated here...
Posted by: "steph.sorensen" steph.sorensen@yahoo.com steph.sorensen
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 4:01 am ((PDT))

I thought my two girls were doing fine. The lab may still be doing
okay, because she never lets me see her poop. :)

However, I have been feeding for about a month now, and all of a
sudden, within the past week or two, my pit bull has developed a case
of the runs.

She will poop nice and firm when we go walking in the evenings before
it gets dark. It is in the middle of the night when she lays a
puddle of pudding poop by the back door in the basement.

Our basement is starting to smell atrocious!! Is this because I
started them on variety too soon? Right now, they are going between
pork and chicken, because that is what is cheapest right now. I am
trying to keep costs down because I want to prove to my husband that
feeding this way can be as cheap as the kibble we were feeding before.

The poops may win me the dog-door battle I've been having with him as
well. :)

So should I go back to chicken for a couple of weeks before
integrating other things again?

Thanks,
Steph
Scarlet (I have runny poops - really sorry, Mom)
Lucy (hehehe - I have secret poops - no one knows!)
Minkey (I don't know, I just live here)

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13b. Re: Starting to get a little frustrated here...
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 4:41 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "steph.sorensen"
<steph.sorensen@...> wrote:
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Is this because I
> started them on variety too soon? Right now, they are going between
> pork and chicken,

Hi Steph,
For a month of raw feeding, 2 protein sources doesn't sound like too
much variety to me. What cut of pork are you feeding? I'm asking
because most of my pork meals tend to be boneless, since i buy pork
roasts which give me a few meatless meals and then a meal with a hunk
of bone. What i'm trying to ask is if maybe your pork meals are
just too light in the bone department for her right now. KathyM

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14. Re: Mastiffs do great on raw
Posted by: "Maofryan@aol.com" Maofryan@aol.com waldorfsarah
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 4:34 am ((PDT))

My English Mastiff, Pendragon Everyday Hero (Arthur) won 148 Best of Breeds
and 29 group placements in his career while being fed raw. He is big, even
for a mastiff, at 36 inches and 240 pounds. Don't worry, they get as big as
they are going to get...as quickly or slowly as they are going to get there.
He now is retired and watches a couple of sheep I bought for him. Mastiffs
do great on raw! Sarah Waldorf, Konigsdorf Shepherds

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15. Pork as a starter?
Posted by: "Kathie Middlemiss" geekgirl717@gmail.com katjermid
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 5:26 am ((PDT))

Good morning.

I've been feeding raw for a whopping four days now to my three dogs (two
12 weekish old lab & lab mix pups and one 6 year old lab mix). I
started with chicken for all three.

Both of the pups think they're in heaven. They eat like champs and are
loving this new food.

My older dog, however, not so much. He won't touch the half of chicken
I was giving him for his breakfast (and then reoffering for dinner) but
I did get him to eat a couple of boneless pork ribs. Last night I found
a place that sold turkey necks and offered them to the pups and to Jake
sort of as an addition. ALL of the dogs loved them so I thought
"Great! Turkey instead of Chicken! No problem!" And promptly bought a
few packages of turkey drumsticks for starters.

So this morning, for breakfast, we had turkey drumsticks. All except
Jake. He sniffed it, licked it and then promptly dropped it on the deck
and came back inside.

I did get some bone-in pork ribs yesterday and am wondering if it's okay
to start him on pork if he won't eat the chicken?

The pups are doing great. I've noticed that they're already pooping
less but are completely 'pooped' after tearing into their
breakfast/dinners each day. I'm very excited about this. They trot in
after a meal and grunt and sigh and flop over totally content and spent.

I have already, though, gotten a few people giving me lectures about Raw
feeding. Demanding to know if my vet gave me the 'green light' on it,
or asking me what I'll do when the dogs 'choke on a bone'. Or 'you're
feeding real meat to your dogs??? Isn't that a little excessively
expensive?' And (the best one I think) "Oh my god, raw food will make
your dogs feral, and they'll bite the kids! (or eat the cat or insert
any other bit of nonsense)."

But the two youngest are doing great and I'm about to start my 7 week
old kitten on chicken (will start with boneless chicken first to get him
interested and then introduce things like necks/wing tips).

I've been doing grocery store meat for now until I can find a
distributer. If anyone has any ideas as to where to look/ask, I'd love
them. The butcher at Stop and Shop stared at me when after asking me
why I wanted him to split five whole roasters in half I answered
"Because one whole chicken is too much for my dogs to eat at one time".
I think he thinks I'm a nutcase.

Kathie
Mom to:
Jake 6 year old lab/something mix
Max 11 week old lab
Ruby 12 week old lab/shepherd mix
and
Sweep 7 week old kittty

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