[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12070

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Feeding squirrels? (was:Re: parts is parts)
From: jmwise80

2a. Re: Tongue
From: Yasuko herron

3a. Re: Deer Antlers
From: Yasuko herron

4a. Arsenic in rawhide?
From: Elizabeth Dill

5a. Re: Heads - Trina
From: tottime47

6. Re: Digest Number 12066
From: tantelin22@aol.com

7a. Re: Hello-I'm New Intro
From: M Williams
7b. Re: Hello-I'm New Intro
From: kaylsraven

8a. Re: I've had enough - quitting raw
From: jstalter2ksndj@aol.com
8b. Re: I've had enough - quitting raw
From: T Smith
8c. Re: I've had enough - quitting raw
From: Giselle
8d. Re: I've had enough - quitting raw
From: kaylsraven

9. re teeth and cardiac connection
From: tantelin22@aol.com

10a. Re: Feeding Heads
From: katkellm
10b. Re: Feeding Heads
From: Laurie Swanson
10c. Re: Feeding Heads
From: T Smith

11a. Re: Raw & Stools (poop)
From: Laurie Swanson
11b. Re: Raw & Stools (poop)
From: T Smith
11c. Re: Raw & Stools (poop)
From: katkellm

12a. Cat hiding chicken in the garage--it stinks
From: purvisp
12b. Re: Cat hiding chicken in the garage--it stinks
From: Giselle
12c. Re: Cat hiding chicken in the garage--it stinks
From: Laurie Swanson

13a. what to feed a scared rescue?
From: pelirojita
13b. Re: what to feed a scared rescue?
From: Laurie Swanson

14a. Newbie Intro
From: Elizabeth Dill

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1a. Feeding squirrels? (was:Re: parts is parts)
Posted by: "jmwise80" jmwise80@yahoo.com jmwise80
Date: Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:42 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "T Smith" <coldbeach@...> wrote:
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> I mean no insult to you. I am just curious.

********None taken! I'm always up for ?'s.

Why feed squirrel?

********Pretty much all the reasons Chris O said. Its free and in
hopes of finding things that my dog will eat whole. (crossing
fingers) I dream of 1 day having some HUGE freezers full of wild
game that I have taken, and never buying food for my dog ever again.
(crossing fingers, again) He likes chasing and treeing squirrels and
we are working on blood tracking deer, too. I like watching him work
and an added bonus is him basically feeding himself and me too.

Is this a
> wild caught squirrel?

********Yes. Actually a squirrel my dog treed, and I shot.

I ask because my old vet told me that my dog that
> would eat wild bunnies (if she caught them) would need worming
often because
> they usually carried tapeworms.....
> Again, I am only curious.
> Trina
>

********I don't know much about tapeworms except what to look out for
as far as signs and symptoms. He could just as easily eat a flea off
himself and give himself tapeworm that way. For fresh, naturally
fed, wild game I'll take the risk and treat as necessary. I feel it
is a small risk, though.

Also, I forgot about wild bunnies! He wouldn't eat the ones I
bought, but I'll try wild. If he won't eat it, Mikey will!

Michael Wise (Mikey likes it!)

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2a. Re: Tongue
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:42 pm ((PDT))

>He does love eating it so have to keep it on the menu!

Me too. if dogs like it,I keep in menu and building the torelence too.In palette's case,she can torelate other tongues but Lamb so,maybefat content is too high on those or something.

I know Boneless Lamb gives her shaped but softer stool. No idea but shecan torelate Lamb heart very very well.No soft poo. Wiered...

>No butt wiping for me though...I just turn the hose on the
>offending area during the summer and pop them in the tub and use
>the shower spay in the winter,lol....

I usually need to let palette wait at entrance area telling her " Stand,Stay" and then,I go get 1 wet paper towel and non wet one andI wipe most of it,and if it was not enough,she goes to tub andbutt wash in tub.

Our entrance areais wooded but soon,carpetted stairs so,I cannot let her hop hop stairs to tub because bit of poo gets shaked off to carpet:-P

But she knows that her butt be cleaned,so,She stay still standing while I am opening the hatch and wiping the butt.

She likes goat but I neverfind Goat Tongue. Anybody feeding them?

I still have to wait for more bit space in freezer to add stuff,but if I could find Goat Tongues,that could fill the space next.Not sure though.

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3a. Re: Deer Antlers
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:42 pm ((PDT))

>I was wondering if these constitute "wreak bones" (I know they're not bones) or if they're >considered ok.

Hi,Shannon. My dog Corgi 35lb is having strong jaw I think because shecan eat all beef rib bones and buffalo rib bones,but shehas Deer Antler aschewtoy and,now andthen,I spot her gnawing on it. It never sprinter and looks soft and long lasting.Of course,natural too.

I got palettes' here

http://www.petexpertise.com/item--Antler-Dog-Chews--Antlers.html

and you can choose antler size too.

It is from US not from Mexico too.

I am satisfied with it andtheir customer service is good too.

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4a. Arsenic in rawhide?
Posted by: "Elizabeth Dill" dill_elizabeth@yahoo.com dill_elizabeth
Date: Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:46 pm ((PDT))

This may be a really stupid question, forgive me, but I've never heard of arsenic in rawhides.

I've fed my 14 year old collie rawhides since she could hold them by herself. At a recent appointment the Vet actually said my girl had the best teeth he'd ever seen on a dog and specifically attributed her perfect teeth and gums to her lifelong rawhide consumption (oh, and she's never, ever had a dental cleaning).

I'm not disputing what you say, goodness knows what's in anything these days, I was just wondering where this information came from as this would be news to many people in my field (as a good deal about nutrition is, we all know that). Like, I said, I apologize if this is common knowledge amongst you all, but you know, that's why I'm here -- to learn and absorb as much as I can.

TIA,

Elizabeth

Michael Moore <m-tak@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Personally, I never give my dogs rawhide -- many are imported and are cured with arsenic.

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5a. Re: Heads - Trina
Posted by: "tottime47" tottime@aol.com tottime47
Date: Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:47 pm ((PDT))

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Hi Trina,

Relax, not all of us feed cow heads, lol. You don't have too.
Some of us have never seen one. Heck, my dogs are small, would take
them a year to get through it, lol....

What you do need to feed is what
you said, 80% meat and that's a variety of different kinds of meat
and hopefully down the road different parts, like a pork roast or
ribs.

The dogs get their vitamins from the meat, bones & organs you feed,
that's why it's important to offer them variety in what you feed.

As far as supplements, if you have to buy most of your meats at the
store, they are lacking in Omega 3 and so you supplement with a good
salmon oil or mixed fish oil.

If you can afford range raised or free range meats then you don't
have to supplement any.

Hope this helps a little and once you change your dogs over and see
the improvements in teeth & coat you'll wonder why you didn't do it
sooner!

Carol, Charkee & Moli

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "T Smith" <coldbeach@...> wrote:
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> I am beginning to think raw might not be for me.
> I cannot feed heads like this. It's just NOT something I can do.
> Maybe k*** is best for our dogs. I can feed chicken & meats &
even fish
> but not this other stuff like heads... Seeing my dog chomping down
on a
> cow's head ..... I can't do that. Feeding my dog a wild squirrel
that runs
> along my fence chattering away.... no, that's definitely out of the
picture.
>
> Maybe I was thinking of a different kind of raw food. Where do the
dogs get
> their vitamins from, is there supplementing, too?

> But now, after reading what is being fed, it might not be for us.
> Trina

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6. Re: Digest Number 12066
Posted by: "tantelin22@aol.com" tantelin22@aol.com tantelindar
Date: Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:49 pm ((PDT))

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In a message dated 9/24/2007 12:28:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com writes:

--- In _rawfeeding@yahoogrorawfeed_ (mailto:rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com) ,
"vickies_28" <vickies_28@vic>
wrote:
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> my puppy is showing the same exact
> symptoms as my other puppy that died of cancer at 13 months of age.

*** What symptoms are those?

> The only thing that they had in common is food. Raw food.

*** Was the other pup a basset also? Were they related?

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Here's a different question. Do you and/or your neighbors use those
chemical weed-killing services on your lawns? No matter how green they paint those
trucks, they aren't healthy. A basset is always nose to the ground, so they
would inhale a lot of that stuff.

Rodale Institute has studies that show that even when the companies use
chemicals that are EPA-approved, they are approved for outdoor use. Inevitably,
both people and pets track the stuff into their homes and the chemicals build
up in carpeting and cause cancer in housepets and young children. Some of
the homes tested had ratings of over 100 times the EPA's safe level, because
these chemicals break down only in sunlight, and they don't get enough indoors
to break down.

Could that be another thing your dogs might have in common?

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7a. Re: Hello-I'm New Intro
Posted by: "M Williams" twilli55@tampabay.rr.com mtm1will
Date: Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:49 pm ((PDT))

Kristin,

The meat that I give them now (the small bit) I buy organic. Do the antibiotics/hormones/etc...hurt the animals in the same way it does humans? We eat only organic but if it's not as harmful to dogs then I would consider feeding them more raw meat because it would be cheaper. I guess i'm having a hard time getting past the non-organics of it-i've been eating that way for so long it's become second nature :-) Thank you so much.

Marci

In other words, I agree with you that supermarket meat is pretty poor
stuff. But it's a step up from what you're feeding now, if what you're
feeding is commercial dog food. (Even the premium brands that use only
"human-grade" meat use the exact same grade as the grocery store
stuff, so at worst, it's an even trade.)

Kristin

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7b. Re: Hello-I'm New Intro
Posted by: "kaylsraven" kaylsraven@yahoo.com kaylsraven
Date: Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:51 pm ((PDT))

> In other words, I agree with you that supermarket meat is pretty poor
> stuff. But it's a step up from what you're feeding now, if what you're
> feeding is commercial dog food.

Two steps. Maybe three even ^_^ One of the articles on the net
regarding what's in pet food points out that whatever meat makes it
into dog food is the by-product of the human industry--the stuff not
fit for human consumption.

> As far as real food goes, what is the difference in quality of life
> between a home cooked meal diet, or raw food diet or even a
> combination of kibble and one of the two if completely raw is not
> affordable?

Cooking changes the chemical make up, making it not nearly as
digestible as raw. Mixing raw and kibble is highly un-recommended, as
you'll wind up with major tummy upsets, one reason being that kibble
digests *much* more slowly than raw.

> Also, if you feed raw I don't think the "bacteria" is a problem for
> the dogs however what about if after they eat they are licking on
> your childrens face?

Personally, I'll take the kisses from a raw fed dog over a kibble fed
dog anyday of the week. Raw fed dogs' mouths are cleaner--less
bacteria festering away sniggering over the fact that they're in the
perfect environment to breed. Raw fed dogs' mouths are just
cleaner--even the ones that start late and have horrid mouths can get
clean (my Collie did it--went from disgusting to almost white. Well,
mostly white. Took a few months, but she did it.) If you let the
kibble fed dog lick your kids, raw's fine. If you didn't let the
kibble fed dog lick your kids, you can keep it that way.

In a perfect world, I'd be feeding organic. I'd also be living in the
lap of luxury on the ranch we're working on getting and be published
already *sigh* I know it's bad, but with finances the way they are at
the moment, my guys get mostly Walmart ckn leg quarters, some beef
heart, and liver, with pork shoulder roast and tilapia thrown in when
I can afford it. Is it ideal? Nope. Is it better than kibble? Yep.
Lotsa folks around here can't find/buy organic so they feed grocery
store meat with as few additives as possible. It's all (mostly) good
(for a certain level of good, at least).

Cheers, and hope that helped some,

Sabrina 'n the gang (who got a bit shirty when they realized that no
job meant loss of some of their favorite items for a while)

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8a. Re: I've had enough - quitting raw
Posted by: "jstalter2ksndj@aol.com" jstalter2ksndj@aol.com jenstalter
Date: Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:52 pm ((PDT))

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Vicky,

I am very sorry for your loss.? I agree with the majority of raw feeders here, that raw is not the problem.? I have also heard the story about Swiffer.? Don't quote me but I believe they said it had similar ingredients to antifreeze.? Many of your typical household cleaners are not safe for human or pet consumption and in small doses over time the affects could show up more subtle than if they ingested a large amount at once.? They may ingest the residue off the floor by licking up something else or even sitting down to clean themselves and licking the floor or the residue that may be on their fur.? Also,?I agree with the post to get a second opinion.? I would never take one vets word for it.? I had a Rottwieler start showing symptoms of severe pain when he was 2 years.? The vet said he had bone cancer after hundreds of dollars in X-rays and tests, and recommended I put him to sleep.? I took?him to a second vet who ran the same tests and X-rays and found him to have arthritis.? He is now 12 years old?arthritic but happy and healthy.

I hope all goes well for you and your pup:)

Jennifer

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-----Original Message-----
From: vickies_28 <vickies_28@yahoo.com>
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 7:42 am
Subject: [rawfeeding] I've had enough - quitting raw

Hi All
Thank you for all your advice here, I know you're all strong believers
in raw. However I am quiting, as my puppy is showing the same exact
symptoms as my other puppy that died of cancer at 13 months of age.
The only thing that they had in common is food. Raw food. They all
started showing the symptoms approx after 2 months on raw. I know all
you told me that it's impossible that I did it to my other dog. but
hey, what do you say now?
Right now I feel horrible, I would never want this on to anyone. Maybe
some dogs are just inbred to the point that they cannot eat normal
food, or maybe it's the food itself - full of antibiotics and canceros
cells, whatever they put in there. Maybe this is all destroyed by
heating for human consumption, but raw is like eating deasesed tissue.

I would be interested to see what you, raw veterans, have to say. I
get my food at a regular grocery store.

Vickie

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8b. Re: I've had enough - quitting raw
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Mon Sep 24, 2007 11:00 pm ((PDT))

What are the symptoms?
Trina

> -----Original Message-----
> From: vickies_28 <vickies_28@yahoo.com <vickies_28%40yahoo.com>>
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> Hi All
> Thank you for all your advice here, I know you're all strong believers
> in raw. However I am quiting, as my puppy is showing the same exact
> symptoms as my other puppy that died of cancer at 13 months of age.
> The only thing that they had in common is food. Raw food
>

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8c. Re: I've had enough - quitting raw
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Mon Sep 24, 2007 11:48 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Vickie!
You've gotten a lot of good common sense replies!

Unfortunately, there are a lot of common chemicals used in our houses,
our yards, on ourselves, on our dogs and in our world that can cause
illness and even cancer.

Some ( a lot) of this is out of our direct control. Our world, not
just our country, has so many pollutants pouring into the air, earth,
water every day - its very scary to think about. Look at whats been
coming out in the news about the toxic chemicals in pet food, pet and
children's toys, toothpaste, et al, from China recently.
Our houses can have chemicals (and toxic buildup) from cleaning
solutions, from materials used to build the house, to fabrics on our
furniture, walls and carpets. We can even be exposed to toxic mold or
allergen build up.
We use strong chemicals as treatments, cleaners and fresheners for our
houses, our yards, ourselves and our dogs. Our dogs, do not need to be
fed over processed, substandard, cooked foods that have been sitting
around in warehouses and grocery stores for months, if not years. We
can't even depend on the pet food corps knowing what is being put into
these 'formulas', no matter what it says on the back of the bag!

I have a (very long) file I started when the pet recall alerts and
recalls started many months ago. I began it because I have been
sending out notices to my fellow dog club members and friends who own
dogs, and don't feed raw. If you, your family and friends have not
been aware of this happening, I'd be glad to email you the file
privately as an attachment.

Our dogs best defense against illness, disease and even cancer is a
strong immune system. The best way to support that immune system is to
feed a species appropriate raw whole prey model diet.
Don't let anyone tell you different.
TC
Giselle

> Hi Gisele,
> Thanks for your posting. I know that I sound awful, but I am so full
> of anger, at myself, at other people, everything!
> When you are saying that other factors can cause this like chemical,
> etc. What exactly do you mean? What chemicals in the house? Do you
> know anything about it? I know it's beyond this chat group, but
> maybe you can give me some clues as to what I was and am doing
> wrong.
> Appreciate your reply
> Vickie

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8d. Re: I've had enough - quitting raw
Posted by: "kaylsraven" kaylsraven@yahoo.com kaylsraven
Date: Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:16 am ((PDT))

> > You speak the truth and facts do not lie. It is good to see some
> one stand for their convictions.
> *****
> Howard, you're very kind and I do appreciate your comments, but I
> suggest this list is jam-packed full of people who have convictions on
> which they can fully rely. I'm just taller and louder and older than
> many, and I've learned to elbow my way to the front of the crowd.

Little (okay, a lot) off topic, but just wanted to say:

Chris, you're absolutely right, and there are many wonderful folks on
this list--but you do have a tendency to stay in folks' minds. I knew
I was back--and happy, and comfortable--when I found myself reading a
post without checking the from tag and knew before I hit the sig that
it was one of yours.

*admiring bow*

Cheers,

Sabrina 'n the gang

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9. re teeth and cardiac connection
Posted by: "tantelin22@aol.com" tantelin22@aol.com tantelindar
Date: Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:52 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 9/24/2007 5:16:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com writes:

How do dogs get cardiac complications from build up on their teeth? Having
difficulty understanding what they teeth have to do with the heart.
Loraine Jessewww.rothburgroLoraine

Lor

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Toxic bacteria grow on the teeth and cause gingivitus. They can infect the
bloodstream from there, and for some reason usually target the heart. Human
dentists routinely prescribe 3 days of prophylactic antibiotics before doing
root canal and abscess removal work on humans for the same reason.

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Don't let aging get you down: it's too hard to get back up!
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10a. Re: Feeding Heads
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:56 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "T Smith" <coldbeach@...> wrote:
> I am beginning to think raw might not be for me.
> I cannot feed heads like this. It's just NOT something I can do.
> Maybe k*** is best for our dogs. I can feed chicken & meats & even
fish

Hi Trina,
You don't have to feed heads, it is not a requirement. Grocery store
chicken, pork, beef, turkey, lamb and fish are absolutely positively
excellent food choices-far better choices to feed your dog than
kibble. There are people on this list who have access to non grocery
store parts and choose to feed them rather than see those parts tossed
in the garbage. Its a matter of personal choice, not a nutritional
necessity. So, please don't discard the idea of raw based on these
posts. I would bet that a majority of posters don't feed non grocery
store parts. As far as the squirrel goes, hunters hunt, but you don't
have to feed squirrel or deer; it is another non essential part to raw
feeding. FWIW, when i started raw feeding i was a vegan and would
never ever have thought i could do this. Along the way, however, i
decided that it was a better choice to use the whole animal than to
waste any of it. KathyM

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10b. Re: Feeding Heads
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:57 pm ((PDT))

Trina,

Don't let this scare you away! I just told my husband about your
post and he said we should have a beginners list and an advanced
list. :-) It was several months before I even considered the idea
of feeding a head, and if you never do, it will be totally fine! You
just start where you are and that's usually grocery store chickens
(but can be whatever you can find and are comfortable with). Then
you add in more variety as you can.

There are 10,000 members on this list and I'm sure many of them never
feed heads. Nor whole squirrel. We are feeding--like I said--
chicken, turkey, beef, lamb, pork, fish, goat, venison. Some of us
eventually may feed a bit more "wild" in order to take advantage of
available sources of prey and maybe save money, etc. But many of us
don't even have access to heads and squirrels. I know it sounds
weird if you're new to raw. Don't worry about it--just make raw work
for you and your dogs. However you do it, you'll be improving their
health immensely over feeding kibble.

Please let us know how we can help you further.

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "T Smith" <coldbeach@...> wrote:
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> I am beginning to think raw might not be for me.
> I cannot feed heads like this. It's just NOT something I can do.
> Maybe k*** is best for our dogs. I can feed chicken & meats &
even fish
> but not this other stuff like heads...

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10c. Re: Feeding Heads
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:16 am ((PDT))

I have duck hunter friends. can they eat duck?
Do I pluck their feathers off first?
I am sorry to send SO many questions but i won't do this without having it
planned out and food set up & organized.
Thank you for your patience. Perhaps my questions will help others too?
I think a beginners list would just have us asking the same questions, you
know?
Trina

On 9/24/07, Laurie Swanson <laurie@mckinneyphoto.com> wrote:
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> Trina,
>
> Don't let this scare you away! I just told my husband about your
> post and he said we should have a beginners list and an advanced
> list. :-) It was several months before I even considered the idea
> of feeding a head, and if you never do, it will be totally fine! You
> just start where you are and that's usually grocery store chickens
> (but can be whatever you can find and are comfortable with). Then
> you add in more variety as you can.
>
> There are 10,000 members on this list and I'm sure many of them never
> feed heads. Nor whole squirrel. We are feeding--like I said--
> chicken, turkey, beef, lamb, pork, fish, goat, venison. Some of us
> eventually may feed a bit more "wild" in order to take advantage of
> available sources of prey and maybe save money, etc. But many of us
> don't even have access to heads and squirrels. I know it sounds
> weird if you're new to raw. Don't worry about it--just make raw work
> for you and your dogs. However you do it, you'll be improving their
> health immensely over feeding kibble.
>
> Please let us know how we can help you further.
>
> Laurie
>

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11a. Re: Raw & Stools (poop)
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:58 pm ((PDT))

Wow, Trina, you have your hands full! That's wonderful you take care
of all those special needs' dogs.

Take things slow, don't mix up lots of different proteins, don't do
organs right away, feed a bit higher bone content to start, feed meals
on the smaller side rather than larger.

Have you started raw? If so, what are you feeding? Non-enhanced
chicken (read the fine print on the label and make sure no additives,
no injections of broth or other solutions, etc.) is usually a good
first meat.

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "T Smith" <coldbeach@...> wrote:
>
> How bad is the poop from raw?

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11b. Re: Raw & Stools (poop)
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:16 am ((PDT))

No, I've not started raw yet. I wanted to start the beginning of next month
(about a week)n.
I am on an island so it takes me 30+ minutes to get to the mainland to
anywhere that might have a butcher market! I've been checking on line but
to no avail to find a slaughter house or... whatever they call them now.
I don't even know where to begin to find this kind of food bulk food. I am
trying to find free range chicken to start. Being a vegetarian, if I am
going to do this for my dogs, I need to not support the industry that (IMO)
treats them cruel. I know dog food has chicken but we don't see it so it
makes it 'easier'. I am sure they use caged chicken but the 'out of
sight...out of mind' theory does wonders!
I will seek out free range beef & talk to some hunter friends I know also as
I get further *IF* I make it to get started! I am terrified of the diarrhea
issues.
I already give fish oil capsules, Vit E & Ester-C to a few of my dogs for
specific needs. Several are medicated, too.
Finding the free range might be the most difficult but if anyone is in my
area (NW of Seattle) & knows of anywhere....Speak up!!
Please, any preference of fish. I really do want specifics (types) to get
started to make me feel more comfortable to get started. I will be putting
a list on the fridge for everyone here to make sure we are all in check & on
the same track. My mum has agreed to let her Dane pup go on this plan too!
(I did get her to finally agree with us, Maggie. As long as it was her own
decision *grin*).
I will be purchasing a scale to weigh the food for their feedings to monitor
it.
Casper is 7 month old & already over 130 pounds. He eats 12 cups a day of
k***le, Louie is 5 months, 100 pounds now & 9 cups of k***le... you get the
idea? The special food for Casper & the 4 month old Dane girl "Whisper" is
37$ a bag.... That adds up. Just one tube of my Lhasa's eye meds is 55$ &
he uses 4 eye medicines up to 9 times a day (at least 1/2 hour apart)... He
has battled ear infections, skin infections, etc for the 11 years we've had
him. As a pup he came home with severe ear issues & it progressed from
there even with thousands of dollars in vet visits & medicines &
specialists. His new vet has done wonders but.... I am in good hopes raw
may assist him better? He is on the next 'wave' of raw feeders after I get
the first 4 stable & find out if I can do it. 3 are terminal & I would like
their final time with me as long and comfortable as possible.

Thanks for the compliment about my fur kids. They are my everything. My
house is really set up for their needs; doggie doors everywhere & the Lhasas
have their own room! I applied to be a foster home again. I am the lucky
one to have them in my life, really, I am truly blessed by these wonderful
kids & I just want to do what is best for them. I need the free range
animals though in order to help myself get through this easier as well. Any
idea how to find these types of people to supply food for my fur kids?
I look forward to ALL answers, help, advice, etc...
Trina
Chip (deaf Dalmatian)
Casper (deaf Great Dane)
Whisper (deaf Great Dane)
Louie (hearing Great Dane)
Joey (deaf & blind Lhasa Apso)
Amy (disabled Lhasa Apso)
Cassandra (disabled Lhasa Apso)
Mr Paris (Lhasa Apso)
Chloe (deaf & blind Spaniel mix)

On 9/24/07, Laurie Swanson <laurie@mckinneyphoto.com> wrote:
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> Wow, Trina, you have your hands full! That's wonderful you take care
> of all those special needs' dogs.
>
> Take things slow, don't mix up lots of different proteins, don't do
> organs right away, feed a bit higher bone content to start, feed meals
> on the smaller side rather than larger.
>
> Have you started raw? If so, what are you feeding? Non-enhanced
> chicken (read the fine print on the label and make sure no additives,
> no injections of broth or other solutions, etc.) is usually a good
> first meat.
>
> Laurie
>
>

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11c. Re: Raw & Stools (poop)
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:17 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "T Smith" <coldbeach@...> wrote:
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How long do
> they deal with diarrhea?
> If there's an introducing of a new meat, am i going to have to deal with
> these issues?

Hi Trina,
I would say that it probably seems like most newbie dogs get diarrhea,
but in fact, i don't believe that is really true. I think since most
people only post if they have trouble, it seems like most dogs have
trouble. We usually don't read about the trouble free newbies. Just
pick a protein, i think chicken is an excellent first choice, and
stick with it for a week (give or take). Don't feed too much food at
one meal, initially 2 smaller meals might work better. If you want to
play it super safe trim away the fat. Don't feed organs right away.
When you switch to a new meat, add a small bite of the new meat into a
meal of the familiar meat. Slowly increase the new meat and decrease
the old until you are feeding only the new meat. hth,KathyM

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12a. Cat hiding chicken in the garage--it stinks
Posted by: "purvisp" purvisp@yahoo.com purvisp
Date: Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:59 pm ((PDT))

I have a garage dwelling cat (because he injures our house cats) and
he has been on ground raw for 5 months and whole prey for two weeks.

He's hiding his chicken in the garage and it smells.

Ideas on how to handle/prevent this??????

Patricia

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12b. Re: Cat hiding chicken in the garage--it stinks
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Mon Sep 24, 2007 11:22 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Patricia!
Feed him smaller portions at regular intervals, so that
when you feed him, he's hungry enough to eat it all gone.

Feed him in a crate and when he's done, let him out, and refrigerate
the leftovers.
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> I have a garage dwelling cat (because he injures our house cats) and
> he has been on ground raw for 5 months and whole prey for two weeks.
>
> He's hiding his chicken in the garage and it smells.
>
> Ideas on how to handle/prevent this??????
>
> Patricia
>

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12c. Re: Cat hiding chicken in the garage--it stinks
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:15 am ((PDT))

Feed him in a large crate? I'm not very knowledgeable about cats, but
maybe you can train him to eat on a towel like we do w/dogs? Of
course, that takes a bit more work and supervision.

Laurie

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13a. what to feed a scared rescue?
Posted by: "pelirojita" kerrymurray7@gmail.com pelirojita
Date: Mon Sep 24, 2007 11:00 pm ((PDT))

So, I have no idea what possessed me, but I ended up taking in a 6-8
month old golden retriever mix rescue this afternoon (he was scheduled
to be put down at Animal Control Tuesday afternoon). Should I mention
that my husband is out of the country, my 2 year-old is just getting
over a nasty cough, I have 2 dogs, a parrot, another relatively new
rescue parrot and we close on the sale of our old house next week (a
day after my husband gets back in town) and I have to wrap up a few of
the inspection-related repairs. Oh, and I have a full time job and a
dirty house. Plus the rescue has an upper respiratory infection and I
need to keep him quarantined.

But I digress, what I need y'all for is what to feed this incredibly
scared, timid sweetheart. I currently have ground turkey, pork ribs,
pork roast and beef heart in the fridge and freezer (my vegetarian
self is so proud ;). I tried offering him some ground turkey this
evening and after a while he seemed interested enough to lick it but
didn't eat. He seems close to ideal weight for his build, so no
concerns that he is going to waste away but he is still young. Should
I keep going with the ground turkey? What would make it more
appealing? I've been feeding my own dogs raw since the beginning of
July and rarely give them ground anything - so should I ditch the
turkey and move right to the pork ribs as his first protein? Or is
pork a bad first protein, especially for the young and scared? I am
concerned that he needs some good nutrition to fight off the
respiratory infection and the effects of the multiple vaccines they
shot him up with when he came in to Animal Control. Other
recommendations? I have Rescue Remedy, should I use that in his
water? We are off to my vet in the morning but he is rather
conventional in his approach and we haven't seen him since our switch
to raw, but he is willing to come in early in order to work me in on
very short notice.

Also, if anyone has a good rescue website that could help me through
this process. I have experience with timid rescues but this one has a
few more issues (though absolutely no aggression at all, even let me
approach him when he was wedged in to a corner) and there is more than
just me in the house now.

Thanks so much,
Kerry

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13b. Re: what to feed a scared rescue?
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:16 am ((PDT))

Will he take anything straight from your hand (ground turkey
meatballs?)? That might get him started. Then you could put it in the
bowl and see if he "gets it" better. He might just need a little time
to de-stress and settle in?

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "pelirojita" <kerrymurray7@...>
wrote:
I tried offering him some ground turkey this
> evening and after a while he seemed interested enough to lick it but
> didn't eat.

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14a. Newbie Intro
Posted by: "Elizabeth Dill" dill_elizabeth@yahoo.com dill_elizabeth
Date: Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:17 am ((PDT))

Hey y'all ;>)

I just realized that I had posted and hadn't introduced myself yet -- sorry for my forgetful email etiquette. Anyway, I'm Elizabeth Dill, and I am a student in an accredited Vet Tech degree program in Georgia. I've also raised two pups (a female 14 year old collie and a male 5 year chow). And that's about it. I just wanted to thank you all for allowing me into your group, as the information I'm learning is fascinating.

Thank you!

Elizabeth

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