Feed Pets Raw Food: [rawfeeding] Digest Number 12064

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: parts is parts
From: jmwise80

2a. Cleaner teeth!
From: great_dane_devotee
2b. Re: Cleaner teeth!
From: Giselle

3a. Re: Dried fish treats
From: Yasuko herron

4a. pregnancy diet
From: Judy Baird
4b. Re: pregnancy diet
From: Doguefan@aol.com

5a. geriatric dogs
From: rawnewfie
5b. Re: geriatric dogs
From: Giselle
5c. Re: geriatric dogs
From: woofwoofgrrl

6.1. Re: New to raw
From: Shannon Hully

7a. Re: {Raw Feeding} Quick Question
From: Giselle

8a. Re: Raw TREATS?
From: Giselle
8b. Re: Raw TREATS?
From: Monica A. Joy

9a. Re: Help - Ready to quit
From: havanese1@bellsouth.net
9b. Re: Help - Ready to quit
From: havanese1@bellsouth.net
9c. Re: Help - Ready to quit
From: havanese1@bellsouth.net
9d. Re: Help - Ready to quit
From: havanese1@bellsouth.net
9e. Re: Help - Ready to quit
From: havanese1@bellsouth.net

10a. Re: you want to feed 2 - 3 % of their ESTIMATED adult weight.
From: kaylsraven

11.1. Re: newbie
From: johkemp

12. Feeding squirrels? (was:Re: parts is parts)
From: T Smith

13. Revisiting the 2-percent rule to help with weight loss
From: cockatoos4

14. Itchy paws
From: Telmo Pereira

15a. Re: {Raw Feeding} Hambuger meat
From: cujo1012

16. I've had enough - quitting raw
From: vickies_28

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1a. Re: parts is parts
Posted by: "jmwise80" jmwise80@yahoo.com jmwise80
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:53 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "costrowski75" <Chriso75@...> wrote:
> Maybe it's in their contract.
> Chris O
>

Nope...I double-checked the fine print and it says WHOLE SQUIRREL!

2 front legs and a tail wouldn't be too much for him, I wouldn't think.
(15 lb. dog) He's kinda a pig.

I just did a little research and found that squirrels DO have musk
glands in their back legs. Don't know if that would taste bad to a dog
or not.

I do have to confess that I got him to eat them after they soaked in
some vienna weenie juice. I don't know what's worse, that I bribed my
dog to eat something or that I eat vienna sausages.(aka. processed dog
food for people) I resorted to it after I remembered that that was how
I got him to eat liver. Now he'll eat liver by itself. Hopefully the
same will go for squirrel eventually.

Michael Wise

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2a. Cleaner teeth!
Posted by: "great_dane_devotee" libpowers@mac.com great_dane_devotee
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:56 pm ((PDT))

Hi all,

I've been feeding raw prey style for probably a week now, It's not flawless, but this transition
is going really well.

The best news is about my Flat Coat Retriever's teeth. Just prior to this switch, she was
scheduled to have her teeth cleaned. She went in but didn't have the procedure because she
had such a low heartrate. Anyway, I have been planning to get her in to get it done, but knew
that raw feeding was so good for their teeth, so I have been checking her teeth every couple
of days to see if there was any improvement. (Her teeth were really bad.) Within two weeks
easily, her teeth look MUCH better. There's just a little bit of discoloration on the teeth that
her tongue covers up. I may yet be able to save the $500 for her cleaning! (Plus the concern
about her heart and the anesthesia.)

Thanks for your encouragement.

Libby
Serena and Amica

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2b. Re: Cleaner teeth!
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Mon Sep 24, 2007 12:59 am ((PDT))

Hi, Serena!
KEWL!

A few things to think about;
1) Some dog's teeth become stained from being covered in calculus and
plaque. A veterinary dental cleaning won't necessarily remove it.
2) You don't really want to have your dog undergo an anesthetic
procedure to remove what essentially amounts to a cosmetic cleaning at
this point, would you? Especially with the potential to lose her, with
her low heart rate.
3) The stains too, may disappear, given enough time.

If I were you, I'd cancel the procedure. For good.

Just my 2 cents.

TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

<snip>
> The best news is about my Flat Coat Retriever's teeth. Just prior
to this switch, she was
> scheduled to have her teeth cleaned.
<snip>
Within two weeks
> easily, her teeth look MUCH better. There's just a little bit of
discoloration on the teeth that
> her tongue covers up. I may yet be able to save the $500 for her
cleaning! (Plus the concern
> about her heart and the anesthesia.)
>
> Thanks for your encouragement.
>
> Libby
> Serena and Amica
>

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3a. Re: Dried fish treats
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:56 pm ((PDT))

>Does anyone have experience feeding these?

HI. Sorry I missed this post. I am bit behind:-P

Well,I think Lora put quite nice link about fish,and this is bit embarasing but I did not know how the fish be dried.Now I know for her link.

Well,the little fish about size of thumb,what we call KO ZA KA NA (small fish in English but fish type probably anchovi??I think?),and it is not salty in our mouth if you eat just one piece.But when you eat bunch of them like Tempura of Kozakana ball,then without any seasoning,it gets bit salty taste in your tongues.We tend to make dish with sugar in it when this fish is used (tsukudani;sweet sticky dried anchovi dish),and never seen dish with added salt.

I have fed Palette just one piece by piece as training treats in the past because she likes it but she tends to drink bit of water after the training time so,I thought maybe too salty for her andchanged treats to normal plain Beef.

I personally think that if you feed maybe cutted pieces not just 1 piece,as small as lentil and not as much amount to feed,then,dog maybe ok. I think dogs likes it though.

Chirimen Jyako (really really tiny thin fish probably about thumb nail size) is my Favorite but never seen it over here,but if you find it in store,you can try yourself. It is funny looking but it tastes good. Texture is soft.This is not too salty,but has salt taste to it.

Dry fish we use a lot is called Niboshi and in English, dried Sardine I think.
We do use it to make fish stock but at least my mom does not use the fish other than using that way. So,I am not sure if it is real salty or not.Never tasted fish itself.
But when I look at link lora just put thelink here,it says that before drying they put fish in salted water to boil so,I am guessing it will be salty.By drying,maybe flavor maybe get concentrated and get salty.

As far as Omega 3 thing goes, maybe, because of fish type but I would not feed bunch because of salt content.Canned fish that has omega 3 rich fish claim it still hassome nutrition thereso,I assume that even dried tiny bit maybe remaining there,just my guess.

However,I rather feed omega 3 rish canned fish in water(less salty I think),or fresh omega 3 rich fish for meal.

If it were just for treats,I may feed dried anchovi (Nibosh or dried sardine maybe too salty).

>http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~fy7y-hys/dsf_main.htm

yassy

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4a. pregnancy diet
Posted by: "Judy Baird" judy@brig.com earthdoglover
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:56 pm ((PDT))

Hi,
I have a possibly pregnant westie.
I have been told to give : Folic acid, vitamin C, Vit E, Vit B-12, and fish
oil
This female eats a mainly chicken based diet (due to meat costs and lack of
variety in grocery stores)
When I followed a Billinghurst diet many years ago, the bitches did not do
well, didn't show progression of labor, and lost pups.
I don't know if I was following the diet wrong or if other health issues
caused the problems they had.
I can't face this again and therefore have never taken on a bitch close to
whelping ever again.
This time might be different and she might need to be with me for the birth
<yipes!>
I have heard of people liking the "Whelpwise" system for monitoring the
labor but do not know what it involves at this point.
Any advice is greatly appreciated.
Please don't just say you don't feed differently.
I know all the kibble people I've asked seem to do things differently. (Eg:
like feeding puppy kibble to the dam)
I need to know what cuts of meat, organs, extras are recommended.....what
about her craving for fruits???
What about the vitamins regimine I was told to give??
Are raw eggs, kefir, goats milk OK to feed?
Thanks for the help,
Judy

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4b. Re: pregnancy diet
Posted by: "Doguefan@aol.com" Doguefan@aol.com knoxkennels
Date: Mon Sep 24, 2007 4:23 am ((PDT))

The best advice I got was to let the bitch choose what she wants.?? I would offer a big bowl of food containing things like: Beef Scrap and cheek meat, chicken breasts, tuna chunks, heart, and I feed and oragan mixture with tripe in it.? My female gave up anything with bone very early...? I was told that is very common, but some breeders don't even give bone as an option the last 2-3 weeks of pregnancy.? The first month, give her her normal diet (however if you just feed chicken, try ethnic markets or something to offer more variety)? They can be really finicky, my female wanted red meat and organs, lots of organs!? That worried me at first bit she did great.? The Billinghurst diet I believe is a LOT of bone?? That could be why she struggled...? Beware of eclampsia with too much bone.
My female would pick and choose through her food, and then I would just feed what she did not eat to my other dogs...do you have others?? Otherwise, just pick up and try again at the next feeding.? One day my female hated pork, the next day that was all she ate!? LOL? I hope this helps.

Chelsea

-----Original Message-----
From: Judy Baird <judy@brig.com>
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Cc: naturalrawdog@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 7:50 pm
Subject: [rawfeeding] pregnancy diet

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5a. geriatric dogs
Posted by: "rawnewfie" rawnewfie@yahoo.com rawnewfie
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 8:21 pm ((PDT))

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I have a ten year old retriever mix. All her life she has had allergy and infected ear issues, not
to mention foot chewing, and benign lumps. Over the last few months she has been on a
Solid gold kibble that has worked well, her feet aren't red. In three weeks we are getting a
Newfoundland puppy and we want to avoid the suffering and cost we have experienced. We
think now would be a good time to transition the retriever to raw diet. I have concerns about
changing her at this older age but we want to try.
Tonight we tried a chicken thigh. She looked at me like I was crazy, I crushed up a dog
biscuit, and made it like shake and bake. She licked off the biscuit and shined on the rest. I
dropped a raw egg over it, still not much interest.
Funny thing is when our tortoise came walking over to check it out, our old docile retriever
jumped up and barked and chased her away from the bowl. Anyway we put the bowl back in
the fridge till she developes a little more hunger? Are there any special concerns for an older
dog? she has great teeth. But she has been kibbleized for so long.

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5b. Re: geriatric dogs
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Mon Sep 24, 2007 1:11 am ((PDT))

Hi!
You forgot to sign your name.

Nope, nothing wrong with changing her to raw, at any age!

Her whole life, she's been fed the equivalent of cereal, and probably
chastised for eating, showing interest in, or attempting to eat
'people food'.

This subject comes up frequently.
She just needs a bit of encouragement to start with.
Read through these archived messages, the suggestions should help her
get over her seeming reluctance;
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/130758

Message #130758

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/134336

Message #134336

A tortise! How big is he? How old?

TC
Giselle
with Bea in new Jersey

> I have a ten year old retriever mix.
<snip>
I have concerns about
> changing her at this older age but we want to try.
> Tonight we tried a chicken thigh.
<snip>
Are there any special concerns for an older
> dog? she has great teeth. But she has been kibbleized for so long.

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5c. Re: geriatric dogs
Posted by: "woofwoofgrrl" cmc4lists1@gastrounit.com woofwoofgrrl
Date: Mon Sep 24, 2007 4:25 am ((PDT))

I switched my 12 year old Border Collie mix just fine. She's always
been a food hound so she took to it like butter to toast!
It also has helped with her arthritis and teeth!

Christine

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> I have a ten year old retriever mix. All her life she has had allergy
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> to mention foot chewing, and benign lumps. Over the last few months she
> has been on a

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6.1. Re: New to raw
Posted by: "Shannon Hully" summerwolf@theherbalhotline.com bluehankw
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 8:22 pm ((PDT))

Nice to find another person with a Grey who switched. :-) We just
adopted and switched our boy a week ago and so far he feels this was a
good decision on our part. ;-) Have you checked out the Yahoo group
Naturally Grey? http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturallyGrey/
<http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturallyGrey/> They seem to be
more into adding things like veggies and such but I just overlook that.

As for the smelly rear end, I know EXACTLY what you mean! O_O LOL My
husband keeps making comments about how Darwin is killing him. I must
say it seems to be getting a bit better in the last couple of days so
there's hope. ;-)

I have been told by many people on the Naturally Grey list that Greys
seem to often need more bone than the typical 10% in order to avoid
loose stool. As for not pooing for a few days after switching, Darwin
just went through the same thing, it took him three days to finally go,
and then it was tiny (at least in comparison to what was coming out on
the ki**le he was on before I got him). ...I can get used to tiny
output! :-D

As for the meaty bones (I assume you mean chicken legs?) taking her a
while, she's not used to having to work for her food and needs to
strengthen up the jaw muscles is all. Think about how sore/tired your
jaw gets if you eat something really tough or chewy a couple of meals in
a row. :-)

I expect she is still acting hungry for a couple of reasons. a) she's
used to feeling more full because they consume more bulk of food on
ki**le than with raw, that will take some adjusting I guess. b) she
really likes it and wants more! LOL

BTW, my boy is 76lbs and is getting 2lbs/day right now (though he's
losing weight, I may have to up that a bit, we'll see if he levels off
when he hits his correct weight. The ki**le had him fat.)

Good luck!

Shannon H. and Darwin (who has just discovered raw meat comes in venison
flavour as well as chicken!!)

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7a. Re: {Raw Feeding} Quick Question
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 11:02 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Brandi!
Answer is, it depends. ^_^

A lot has to do with each dog's individual personality, their reaction
to food, their relationships with each other, their home feeding
situation, their health ......

All that, and probably more, has bearing on if they will be able to be
self regulators, or not. Some dogs will only eat a certain amount at a
time, others will gorge themselves, then fast until hungry.

And self regulators follow their own inner dog; some are so thin their
owner's worry about them constantly, others maintain at a 'fluffier'
weight than their people are happy with.

Some dogs will self regulate naturally, some will if given the
exposure, some never get there, you'll just have to provide your dogs
with opportunities and see what develops with each one.

TC
Giselle

> I like the fact that you can throw down a big pork shoulder and let
> them eat... My question is I have 2 puppies..and 2 adult dogs...
>
> When they get full will they walk away from their meals? Even my 5
> month old puppy?
>
> Thanks -
>
> --
> Brandi
> Bartlesville, Ok
> www.obediencetrainingclubofbartlesville.com
>

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8a. Re: Raw TREATS?
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Mon Sep 24, 2007 12:05 am ((PDT))

Hi, Nicole!
Any treats the dog will eat, and don't cause digestive
upset are good treats!

Really, treats are such a small part of the diet that you can, and
should, use anything that Maggie finds high value. Dogs don't quit
working for treats because they are tiny, they quit working because
the treats aren't valuable enough to them. This can vary with what
they are being asked to do, or where they are asked to do it, if they
aren't hungry, or the time of day. ; )
You never want to give such large treats that the dog gets full after
a few. My Bea is a BIG girl, and I never give training treats bigger
than a small pea. I always make sure I have several types of treats,
varying from low value to high value, so I can switch out as I need to.

Who decides if the treats are high or mid or low value?
Why, the dog, of course.

I use raw treats a lot, too, because Bea loves them.
I use chicken heart or gizzard and dice them up in tiny pieces. I keep
some wrapped in a paper towel in a snack size baggie in the fridge.
This keeps them from being gross and wet in your hand.
It also works well with other kinds of meat, like canned chicken and
hot dogs. And, if you're using bits of cheese, putting a pinch of corn
starch in the baggy and shaking it up will coat the bits and keep them
from sticking together, to your fingers and getting gummed up.

I use a lunch bag or water bottle refreezable thingy in the bottom of
my treat pouch to keep the treats cold away from home. And, if I've
got a lot of treats with me, I use one of those grocery store hot/cold
storage bags and put frozen 'blue ice' thingies in with the treats.

Beef or veal heart works very well, too.

If I make a lot, I just bag them up in snack sized baggies and freeze 'em!

Sometimes, I whizz heart and gizzards all up (I add some liver to it
then) in a
food processor and treat from a squeeze tube;
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TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

p.s. You really should get a nice treat bag. Training and treating is
much easier with one. : )

> Any recommendations for raw treats that I can carry in my pocket?
<snip>
squishy
> pockets don't appeal to me. What have you all used?
>
> Nicole & Maggie

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8b. Re: Raw TREATS?
Posted by: "Monica A. Joy" imajoy@hughes.net imajoy2003
Date: Mon Sep 24, 2007 4:26 am ((PDT))

Nicole,
Could they go in the microwave to dry? I've done that with other stuff (my dinner lol) and it worked.

Maybe put it on paper towels to absorb the moisture?

Monica

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9a. Re: Help - Ready to quit
Posted by: "havanese1@bellsouth.net" havanese1@bellsouth.net schnauzers1015
Date: Mon Sep 24, 2007 4:23 am ((PDT))

Catherine,

Thank you. The first time that I fed the pork (actually the first time of the second try) I gave them bone and a little meat...country style ribs with almost all of the fat trimmed off. The second day I gave them meat only with the fat trimmed off. They are back on chicken until I figure this out. I will try your suggestion of a little pork mixed with the chicken.

Again thank you,
Dolores

-------------- Original message from Morledzep@aol.com: --------------

In a message dated 9/22/2007 9:54:52 PM Pacific Standard Time,
havanese1@bellsouth.net writes:

Should I stop trying with the
pork? or what?

Dolores,

how about adding a small bite of pork to a chicken meal and gradually
increase the amount of pork and decrease the amount of chicken until they adjust?

or maybe just feed smaller portions of pork.. sometimes over feeding can
cause loose stools too.

Catherine R.

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9b. Re: Help - Ready to quit
Posted by: "havanese1@bellsouth.net" havanese1@bellsouth.net schnauzers1015
Date: Mon Sep 24, 2007 4:23 am ((PDT))

I'm sorry but bellsouth just switched to att and it won't let me cut and paste which I know that I am supposed to do on these e-mails. I will keep trying to cut and paste, there must be a way to do it.

Thank you for your advice I will give it another try.
Dolores

-------------- Original message from "Sandee Lee" <rlee@plix.com>: --------------

Just go slower. Add a bit of pork in with a chicken meal. Or alternate one
meal of pork and one chicken.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "schnauzers1015" <havanese1@bellsouth.net>

The first time I switched to pork, I went from chicken one day
to pork the next day....what a mess! The second time I gave them
pork....after two more weeks on chicken....I fasted them for one day
and then gave the pork...the first day that they had the pork they did
ok, the second day....big mess again. Should I stop trying with the
pork? or what?

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9c. Re: Help - Ready to quit
Posted by: "havanese1@bellsouth.net" havanese1@bellsouth.net schnauzers1015
Date: Mon Sep 24, 2007 4:24 am ((PDT))

Laurie,

The pork was not enhanced just plain old country style ribs. The first meal was mostly bone, the second meat with all of the fat trimmed off. I have gone back to the chicken and will think about adding pork later, maybe after chicken, then turkey and then small portions of pork.

Cleaning poop is not an issue, the issue is that I don't want my dogs to be sick or uncomfortable. No one likes to have liquid poops, not even dogs. Cleaning poop is not rocket science and I certainly have many years of experience doing it....my concern was for my dogs.

Thank you again for your advice.
Dolores

-------------- Original message from "Laurie Swanson" <laurie@mckinneyphoto.com>: --------------

Was the pork enhanced/injected w/broth/saline solution/etc.? This
has happened with my dog a couple times on pork even though it wasn't
enhanced, but it's even more likely if it is. Was there any bone in
the meal? A fatty meal (pork is fattier than chicken) with no bone
can cause looser stools. You might try adding in a little pork to a
chicken meal and gradually increasing the amount until they can
tolerate a full pork meal. When you do feed a full meal of a new
meat, you also might want to feed smaller meals until you see how it
goes. If it continues, you may need to lay off pork for awhile. You
might want to go to turkey next since it's leaner, but it will give
them some variety. There's also beef, lamb, venison, fish,
goat...Just proceed cautiously and slowly with new things if it
really bothers you to deal with loose poops.

Laurie

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wrote:
> The first time I switched to pork, I went from chicken one day
> to pork the next day....what a mess!

Should I stop trying with the
> pork? or what?
>

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9d. Re: Help - Ready to quit
Posted by: "havanese1@bellsouth.net" havanese1@bellsouth.net schnauzers1015
Date: Mon Sep 24, 2007 4:24 am ((PDT))

Chris,

Thank you. It just amazed me that all five of my dogs had the same result. Two of them have been on raw before and three are new to it. I thought that I was giving them small amounts, but I guess I'll just have to retreat back to chicken for a while and then proceed with caution.

Again Thank you,
Dolores

-------------- Original message from "costrowski75" <Chriso75@AOL.COM>: --------------

"schnauzers1015" <havanese1@...> wrote:
>Should I stop trying with the
> pork? or what?
*****
Definitely the "or what."
Take your time.
Instead of smacking the dog in the gut with a new protein, introduce it
more gently by adding small amounts of pork to the chicken meals he
does well on. Some dogs taken gutsmacking in stride, others need to go
gradually into new foods. This is fine. Flexibility of approach is
good for both of you.

Go back to chicken, stablize, then add bits and pieces of pork to the
meal. However long it takes to get there is how long it takes.
Chris O

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9e. Re: Help - Ready to quit
Posted by: "havanese1@bellsouth.net" havanese1@bellsouth.net schnauzers1015
Date: Mon Sep 24, 2007 4:24 am ((PDT))

Cindy,

Years ago in the early 90's before raw feeding was popular I fed my dogs raw chicken. At that time it was thought that they also needed fruits and veggies which I gave them. They did quite well on it. Then I switched to premium dog food and they did well on that. It was only recently with all of the dog food recalls that I decided to switch back to raw. Thank you so much for your advice, I think you are right on as far as the chicken is concerned. I may keep them on mostly chicken with a little variety added in.

Thank you again,
Dolores

-------------- Original message from Cindy Marabito <doggirl1@earthlink.net>: --------------

Dolores...This might not agree with some people, but I feed chicken/
beef/turkey to my dogs and cats with only the occasional quail for
the cats. They get the appropriate recommended percentage with lots
of organ meats and bone. We have a great raw feeders co-op where I
live, so access is not problem. I am only piping in here to share
what's been working with me and the animals in my care and my rescue
for years with great results. Cindy

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10a. Re: you want to feed 2 - 3 % of their ESTIMATED adult weight.
Posted by: "kaylsraven" kaylsraven@yahoo.com kaylsraven
Date: Mon Sep 24, 2007 4:24 am ((PDT))

> I think many people just let puppies eat as much as they want.

I dunno about other folks, but I wouldn't recommend that with a large
or giant breed dog (and English mastiffs definitely qualify!) b/c of
the risk of hip dysplasia if they're too heavy. I kept my German
Shepherd pup on the lean side (much to the consternation of his sire's
owners) until he hit about 18 or 20 months, just to be on the safe
side with the HD thing. Not majorly, but just a little ribbier than my
adult dogs. He turns two in a week and is filling out nicely, so I
don't think it hurt him any.

JMO,

Sabrina 'n the gang

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11.1. Re: newbie
Posted by: "johkemp" johkemp@yahoo.com.au johkemp
Date: Mon Sep 24, 2007 4:24 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "David and Liz Ardell"
<ardell@...> wrote:
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> I thought that dogs were omnivores so they can eat both meat and
plant based foods?
> Help?
>
> Liz,

This first link is to a great article on dog physiology. It explains
in easy to understand terms how a dog's digestive system works and
why vegetable matter interupts this process.

The second is to a myths page - this topic is covered there too.

An informative article called 'Dogs are Carnivores"
http://www.dogtorj.net/id51.html...

A page answering myths about raw feeding and bones
http://rawfed.com/myths/

I hope it helps,

Jo
>

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12. Feeding squirrels? (was:Re: parts is parts)
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Mon Sep 24, 2007 4:24 am ((PDT))

I mean no insult to you. I am just curious. Why feed squirrel? Is this a
wild caught squirrel? I ask because my old vet told me that my dog that
would eat wild bunnies (if she caught them) would need worming often because
they usually carried tapeworms.....
Again, I am only curious.
Trina

On 9/23/07, jmwise80 <jmwise80@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com <rawfeeding%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "costrowski75" <Chriso75@...> wrote:
> > Maybe it's in their contract.
> > Chris O
> >
>
> Nope...I double-checked the fine print and it says WHOLE SQUIRREL!
>
> 2 front legs and a tail wouldn't be too much for him, I wouldn't think.
> (15 lb. dog) He's kinda a pig.
>
>

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13. Revisiting the 2-percent rule to help with weight loss
Posted by: "cockatoos4" cockatoos4@yahoo.com cockatoos4
Date: Mon Sep 24, 2007 4:25 am ((PDT))

I just want to make sure I understand how to feed at 2 percent of a
target weight to help my dog lose weight.

JinJin is 103 lbs (47 kg). I want her to be 88 lbs (40 kg). I'm
currently feeding her 2 percent of 88 lbs, which is 1.7 lbs (800 g) of
food a day.

Is that the correct way to figure it? One suggestion I've gotten is to
decrease that 1.7 lbs of food even more, then, if she reaches my target
weight of 88 lbs, increase the amount I feed back up to 2 percent to
help her maintain that weight. It makes sense to me to feed her AS IF
she were an 88-lb dog, if that's what I want her to be. Right now 1.7
lbs (800 grams) of food a day doesn't seem like a whole lot. But, if my
calculation is correct, that's the "proper" amount to feed her to get
her to lose weight down to that 88-lb mark.

Am I doing this right?

Thanks a lot,
Gemma

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14. Itchy paws
Posted by: "Telmo Pereira" joudac@yahoo.com.br joudac
Date: Mon Sep 24, 2007 4:26 am ((PDT))

Hello all,

I've got a female APBT that has been on raw feeding for 1,5 years, she's 2
years old and she's been very well until now. She has very itchy paws, and
it's getting out of control, she is already limping because she ripped half
her paw on her rear leg. I'm thinking on using Benadryl for it, but is there
anything I can improve on her diet to minimize her allergy? She usually eats
chicken, turkey legs, goat, sardines, and pork.

P.S. I have a kitten now, but I've never heard of allergy to cats in dogs.

Thanks in advance,

Telmo Pereira - Portugal

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15a. Re: {Raw Feeding} Hambuger meat
Posted by: "cujo1012" knuj101@cinci.rr.com cujo1012
Date: Mon Sep 24, 2007 4:26 am ((PDT))

I freeze on sale hamburger in small containers, enough to fill 6
Kongs. Then thaw one container to put in kongs & refreeze for a
treat.

Darla & two furkids

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Brandi Bryant" <bbryant573@...>
wrote:
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> I bought expired hamburger meat that had been markdown "for quick
> sale" with a intend to fix it for myself...well now it's brown:(
>
> It's 80% lean, can I feed it to the dogs along with their other
meals?
> I think someone said that it was just a filler? But I hate for
it to
> go to waste...
>
> --
> Brandi
> Bartlesville, Ok
> www.obediencetrainingclubofbartlesville.com
>

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16. I've had enough - quitting raw
Posted by: "vickies_28" vickies_28@yahoo.com vickies_28
Date: Mon Sep 24, 2007 4:44 am ((PDT))

Hi All
Thank you for all your advice here, I know you're all strong believers
in raw. However I am quiting, as my puppy is showing the same exact
symptoms as my other puppy that died of cancer at 13 months of age.
The only thing that they had in common is food. Raw food. They all
started showing the symptoms approx after 2 months on raw. I know all
you told me that it's impossible that I did it to my other dog. but
hey, what do you say now?
Right now I feel horrible, I would never want this on to anyone. Maybe
some dogs are just inbred to the point that they cannot eat normal
food, or maybe it's the food itself - full of antibiotics and canceros
cells, whatever they put in there. Maybe this is all destroyed by
heating for human consumption, but raw is like eating deasesed tissue.

I would be interested to see what you, raw veterans, have to say. I
get my food at a regular grocery store.

Vickie

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