Feed Pets Raw Food: [rawfeeding] Digest Number 12055

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Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Suggestions for a dog who HATES beef liver!
From: Tina Berry
1b. Re: Suggestions for a dog who HATES beef liver!
From: Garnaas, Carolyn (MED US)
1c. Re: Suggestions for a dog who HATES beef liver!
From: Laura Atkinson
1d. Re: Suggestions for a dog who HATES beef liver!
From: john payne

2a. Re: NEW TO RAW
From: Yasuko herron
2b. Re: NEW TO RAW
From: Belinda van de Loo
2c. Re: NEW TO RAW
From: Belinda van de Loo

3a. Re: some tartar on his teeth
From: costrowski75

4a. Re: I think my puppy is allergic to chicken -getting desperate-
From: Garnaas, Carolyn (MED US)
4b. Re: I think my puppy is allergic to chicken -getting desperate-
From: rottinluvr

5. New-- with Puppy and diarrhea
From: Shelly Giuffre

6a. Frozen ??
From: Pam Staley
6b. Re: Frozen ??
From: Tracy P-C
6c. Re: Frozen ??
From: Andrea

7a. Re: New raw feeder
From: Andrea
7b. Re: New raw feeder
From: Yasuko herron
7c. Re: New raw feeder
From: Yasuko herron

8. Doxie coming home from knee surgery
From: Pam Staley

9a. Re: Houston meat suppliers - Anyone have suggestions?
From: ms1616emc

10. Re New rawfeeder (re-post)
From: Yasuko herron

11a. Re: All In...
From: carolejc2007

12a. Re: Species of tripe
From: Sandee Lee

13a. Re: milk-replacer in litter of Cavalier King Charles Spaniels
From: Caren OConnor

14a. Re: Fasting a 7 mo old pup?
From: Tina Berry

15. Constipation??
From: Virginia Snider

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1a. Re: Suggestions for a dog who HATES beef liver!
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:19 am ((PDT))

One of mine only eats frozen liver - if it's thawed and squishy he spits it
out :) his sire did the same thing for awhile but now he eats it thawed.
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Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
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1b. Re: Suggestions for a dog who HATES beef liver!
Posted by: "Garnaas, Carolyn (MED US)" carolyn.garnaas@siemens.com carolyn.garnaas
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:16 am ((PDT))

I haven't actually tried this yet, but I have a new secret plan (after four years of failed attempts) to introduce my dog Molly to raw liver she can love. I have some fresh green tripe, and some fresh raw liver. I plan to puree the chicken livers and mix them quite energetically into the big bunch o' raw tripe.

I will feed this fragrant mix sparingly, as liver is rich and I don't want her to get the squirts. I am betting heavily that the fragrance of the raw tripe will be so irresistible to her that she either will not even detect the hated liver, or she will be so compelled to consume the delicious tripe that she will not let a little bit of obnoxious liver puree stand in her way.

If this plan works, then I will gradually adjust the balance of tripe to liver until she's eating just raw liver, undeterred by the öoky factor.

Now to actually try this. Stay tuned.

Carolyn J. Garnaas amd Molly Toy Poodle - She Who Detests the Dreaded Liver (All Kinds)

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1c. Re: Suggestions for a dog who HATES beef liver!
Posted by: "Laura Atkinson" llatkinson@gmail.com lauraatkinson2002
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:27 am ((PDT))

My advice: make a small batch first.

On 9/21/07, Garnaas, Carolyn (MED US) <carolyn.garnaas@siemens.com> wrote:
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> I haven't actually tried this yet, but I have a new secret plan (after four years of failed attempts) to introduce my dog Molly to raw liver she can love. I have some fresh green tripe, and some fresh raw liver. I plan to puree the chicken livers and mix them quite energetically into the big bunch o' raw tripe.

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1d. Re: Suggestions for a dog who HATES beef liver!
Posted by: "john payne" brendajohn2823@yahoo.com brendajohn2823
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:56 pm ((PDT))

our female hates liver, raw, frozen, no way!! so i tell her Brutius ( our male ) is going to get it and she will run back to the liver and gulp it down just so he wont get it. Shes a APBT/greyhound mix with big huge brown eyes and you can see the disgust in her eyes as she swallows it!! Then she starts the gagging thing, but she manages to keep it down. Then i get " the look" like i forced her to eat it!! Now the male will eat it with no problem..he loves it!
Brenda

"Garnaas, Carolyn (MED US)" <carolyn.garnaas@siemens.com> wrote:

I haven't actually tried this yet, but I have a new secret plan (after four years of failed attempts) to introduce my dog Molly to raw liver she can love. I have some fresh green tripe, and some fresh raw liver. I plan to puree the chicken livers and mix them quite energetically into the big bunch o' raw tripe.

I will feed this fragrant mix sparingly, as liver is rich and I don't want her to get the squirts. I am betting heavily that the fragrance of the raw tripe will be so irresistible to her that she either will not even detect the hated liver, or she will be so compelled to consume the delicious tripe that she will not let a little bit of obnoxious liver puree stand in her way.

If this plan works, then I will gradually adjust the balance of tripe to liver until she's eating just raw liver, undeterred by the öoky factor.

Now to actually try this. Stay tuned.

Carolyn J. Garnaas amd Molly Toy Poodle - She Who Detests the Dreaded Liver (All Kinds)

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2a. Re: NEW TO RAW
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:19 am ((PDT))

>In the morning I feed them a little fromage blanc (cross between
>yogart and cream cheese)

Hi. Why are you feeding fromage blanc? Sometimes,if you feed too much,dog cannot torelate diary very well and cause poo prob. If you feed as treats,then,not going to be a big prob though.

> 2 pm they get their chicken quarters, legs or halves and maybe a little pork rib. In the >evening they partake of the leftover noodles, potatoes, rice, buttered bread,
>or extra raw beef, etc.

your dog get to be fed 3 times a day? You have puppy?
The dog dinner ;noodle(carb),potato(carb),rice(carb),bread(carb),and I am wondering why do you feed carb to dogs?They cannot digest food propery and make dog puggy,andpotatoes(starchy veggie) aggrevate arthritis (I think) if your dog had it.

Dog get most from meat and I think switch the all carb food to meat would be better.

> For training I give them tiny pieces of Frolic.

What is folic?

>Can eggs constitute a potrion of the protein instead of meat?

Not instead of meat. In addition to meat,bone,organ meal plus Raw Egg is beneficial.
I feed raw Egg 1 per week but it depends on people.If dog can torelate well then,you can feed more. Raw Egg,too much Egg contribute to loose poo.

>Does one just crack them and give them raw in a bowl?

Yes. Some people feed with shell but I don't. My dog getting calcium from bone already and I am ok without calcium from shell.But it is your preference.

> We are not rich and their food is costing more than ours--maybe another reason to
>head back?

Mybe meat buying group or search internet for suppliers in France or France does not have rawfeeding group list? When you go to meat people,you get meat saying that is for you,and they would not make funny face then. Usually buying bulk is cheaper.

You can try looking for meat source on net or in phonebook,and see how you can get meat from people.

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2b. Re: NEW TO RAW
Posted by: "Belinda van de Loo" auntielindyloo@yahoo.com belindavandeloo
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:55 pm ((PDT))

Hello Michal,
I applaud you for doing this for your dogs - you must love them very
much to try as hard as you are to make good meals for their species.
We live in Holland and I really understand your post about the prices
and attitudes, etc. One suggestion I have for you that I think will
help - it has helped me! You most likely have immigrant communities
in France as we do in Holland. For us it is mostly the Turkish and
they are predominantly muslim. I found a Turkish butcher not too far
(25 km) from our house and they have a wonderful variety of sheep,
goat, beef and organs and bones! If you can find a place like this
and become not just a client but a familiar customer, then you will
have a great resource for your wonderful dogs. The prices with the
butcher I know (and I give tips at times, this helps me gain the same
prices as the Turkish customers) are really quite reasonable.
Hopefully this will work for you.
Otherwise you might also try to find a slaughterhouse and our local
one actually gives (yes, dear American friends) "GIVES" away beef/cow
bones with some bits of meat on them once each week or two. I was so
amazed! My dog, a small 8 kg Westie, LOVES these bones and will
guard them with his little body as if his life depended upon it.
It took me about a year or two to actually find these places, one by
one, but "seek and you will find".
Hope this helps.
By the way, there could be other raw feeders in France if you search
on internet, etc. Our raw feeders have one specific group
called "Carnibest". Surely in Europe, where we are more health and
natural conscious, there will be such a group in France.
Good luck and if I can be of any help, just send me an email.
Blessings,
Belinda and "Honey" in Holland

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2c. Re: NEW TO RAW
Posted by: "Belinda van de Loo" auntielindyloo@yahoo.com belindavandeloo
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:55 pm ((PDT))

Michal, One more thing... if you live close to the sea or have access
to fish, you might want to go to the market and see if there are low-
priced left-overs of raw fish... even heads, tails. Fish is great
protein and mackerel (a fatty fish) is not too expensive here in
Holland.
If you are going really RAW, then the pasta,bread, rice, etc. will have
to go. It is even better to give them cooked vegetables than starches.
Eggs are also good, but just a couple meals per week is plenty. I give
my eggs whole to my dog... even just a little old eggs, meat, etc. are
fine for the dogs.
Blessings,
Belinda and "Honey" from Holland

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3a. Re: some tartar on his teeth
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:37 am ((PDT))

"Kari Carlisle" <kari@...> wrote:
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> In the book, "Raw Meaty Bones," the author talks about this. He says
> the canine teeth are only used in the process of bringing down prey
so
> even with raw fed carnivores, the canines may not be used while
> eating.
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Perhaps the author has not paid close enough attention. Wolves have to
get the flesh from the bones; they do not all hunker down and gnaw side
by side. What tools rip the flesh from the bones? The canines. In
order to naturally clean canines, you need to feed meat that's big
enough to require ripping apart. I've found that hair/fur on parts--or
even hide, with pork--are great abrasives for those dingy gumlines. If
the RMBs one feeds are invariably chintzy on the meat, meals will not
be adequate cleaner-uppers.

Often it's difficult to find meaty RMBs that sufficiently challenge the
dog's canines. You may discover that in the absence of thick meaty
parts you have to brush. Mix up the menu, see what you can add from
time to time that challenges the front teeth.
Chris O

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4a. Re: I think my puppy is allergic to chicken -getting desperate-
Posted by: "Garnaas, Carolyn (MED US)" carolyn.garnaas@siemens.com carolyn.garnaas
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:21 am ((PDT))

"If chicken is out I don't know where I am going to
get my bones from".

My six-pound Toy Poodle eats only chicken bones, so I feel your pain
(she eats lots of variety in meat, but only eats the bones of the little
chickens).

You could try bunny. Those bones are quite soft and chewable. My dog
won't eat bunny - it's the one menu item I allow her to refuse (actually
she was refusing it anyway, so I decided to go along with it on this one
menu item). But those bunny bones are very nice little bones for a
little doggie.

Carolyn J. Garnaas

Thank you

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4b. Re: I think my puppy is allergic to chicken -getting desperate-
Posted by: "rottinluvr" rottinluv@cox.net rottinluvr
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:56 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "mgitaville" <mgitaville@...>
wrote:
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> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "one_sojourner_one"
> <onesojourner@> wrote:
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> > alright we tried beef tonight and the little guy inhaled it. We
gave
> > him a pretty decent steak I had frozen. Obviously I can't feed
him 4
> > bucks worth of meet every time so can any one suggest some
cheaper
> > options. I have read that pork should be frozen for at least a
month
> > before it is fed. If chicken is out I don't know where I am
going to
> > get my bones from.
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> >
> >
> >
> > -peter

**** If you've just started her on raw, I think you've given her too
much variety, too soon.

It's fine to start with a different meat... pork is a good one, and
it's relatively inexpensive. Pick up some pork shoulder roasts, and
some ribs. My 4 month old doesn't eat too much of the rib bones, but
just enough, and then I take them away.

After her tummy is settled on pork for however long it takes, then
add a little bit of another protein. It took my puppy about 2 and a
half weeks.

Good luck!
Leanne

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5. New-- with Puppy and diarrhea
Posted by: "Shelly Giuffre" mymaddiegrl912@yahoo.com mymaddiegrl912
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:54 pm ((PDT))

I have a new 9 week old Shiba Inu puppy. He has been eating both Innova
EVO and raw (chicken) for about a week now. I started him on hearts and
gizards first and last night I gave him a chicken leg.
I woke up SEVERAL times, (not his norm) With SERIOUS diarrhea. It was
all over his crate. And he just was very unhappy! :(
He seems to be fine now, and has had a bowel movement since then. Which
was clear. (Wett stool, not very formed but not watery like the other
stuff)
I was going to talk to my vet about it, but because I am so new to Raw
feeding and want to make my OWN informed decision. (i.e. I don't want
whatever some kibble company paid him to say, be repeated to me)

I have been using both because I am hesitant. I just started
researching this and that is why I turn to you.

He is going tonight for his 2nd Distemper. And I'm supposed to take a
stool sample because he had been treated for Toxitiya. (sp)
Though I have heard some discussion about not vaccinating. But I wanted
to do a puppy class through petsmart and he needs his vacs.
Anyway, I just want some info and things to try on him. I'm not against
switching to Raw completely but I guess because I have been "programed"
Kibble. I'm afriad to just drop it and use raw food.
Any assistance in a good direction for me would be helpful!! Thank
You!!!
Shelly
w/ Leo my Shiba pup :)

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6a. Frozen ??
Posted by: "Pam Staley" pam@tlcnaturally.com mogalone2001
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:54 pm ((PDT))

Just wondering - any pitfalls of feeding raw FROZEN meat? Would the
bones be too 'hard' or splinter more easily?

Pam in MO

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6b. Re: Frozen ??
Posted by: "Tracy P-C" tpreston721@yahoo.com tpreston721
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:10 pm ((PDT))

I have been feeding raw for about 5 months and my girls will ONLY eat it frozen - I have tried and tried to feed fresh and they will skip a meal before eating one that isn't frozen - Now they are 60 and 80 pounds, so I don't think it matters much, but on the smaller ones, it might drop body temp - Hope that helps

Tracy & girls

Pam Staley <pam@tlcnaturally.com> wrote:
Just wondering - any pitfalls of feeding raw FROZEN meat? Would the
bones be too 'hard' or splinter more easily?

Pam in MO

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6c. Re: Frozen ??
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 3:41 pm ((PDT))

No, no problem unless the dog doesn't want it/doesn't do well with it.
I feed frozen/semi frozen during the summer months when it is wicked
hot. Be aware that tiny dogs often don't do well with frozen food
since it drops their body temp pretty easily.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Pam Staley" <pam@...> wrote:
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> Just wondering - any pitfalls of feeding raw FROZEN meat? Would the
> bones be too 'hard' or splinter more easily?

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7a. Re: New raw feeder
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:55 pm ((PDT))

Green tripe is unprocessed stomach tissue from cows or other
ruminants. It is generally beloved by dogs, probably because it smells
so funky to humans. I'm not sure that green tripe would help your
dilemma right now, though.

It sounds like you are doing well with the chicken parts and the dogs
are figuring it out too. You want to be a little careful when adding
things like eggs and cheese to the diet. It's best to do the initial
switch with just one protein source at a time. Let their guts get used
to the food before moving on. After their stools are solid and
digestion is good you can add another protein source and again wait
until everything is settled. Cheese will definitely cause loose
stools, so save treats like that for later down the road.

You have big dogs so the easiest thing to do is start with chicken
quarters. You'll shoot for feeding around 2-3% of their ideal adult
body weight every day. For Biscuit around 1.5lbs and Gravy 2-2.5lbs a
day (assuming current weights are adult ideals). No more dairy, and
hold off on more pork for a week or two. Also, don't be surprised if
Gravy has really sloppy stools after eating the pork, it's common with
new fattier foods.

Once all is said and done and Biscuit & Gravy are settled with their
new diet, green tripe is a good thing to add for variety. If one of
the dogs refuses to eat organ meats you can disguise the offending food
in ground tripe. If you don't have slaughterhouses around you will
proabably have to order it online. It isn't a miracle food, but it is
a good food. Any more questions, let us know.

Andrea

> cleone4100@... wrote:
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> Sorry but what is green tripe?

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7b. Re: New raw feeder
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:55 pm ((PDT))

>I started with meaty beef bones (1 large each) about a week ago with
> their scraps, then added boneless chicken thighs cut up (2-3 each).

So,your dog being on raw for about a week,and first wek,they got chicken and Beef and scraps??

I think too many in onesitting from right off the bat. You really better stay with one protin source at least till you see firm stool before adding anything else. You decide chicken or beef,what you like to feed now andget other back to freezzer and wait till your dog digest well and poo firmer.I recommend chicken because cheaper than beef and well torelated andless fattier than Beef,but it is your choice.

So,I have another question too.What are "Scraps"??? Are they seasoned leftover stuff from your dinner or..??? I think if it was,then,dog no need it.

> I cut out the scraps a few days ago,

that is good

>but sometimes I add some egg yolks,

Umm,wait. in one week,dog eating chicken/beef/raw egg??

That is recipe for loose stool. Feed raw Egg later ,at least you know your dog can torelate one meat source very well.Then add one new thing in old meat meal.Raw Egg usually soften poo. Don't feed Egg now. and why are you feeding York only not whole Egg?? Dog is ok to eat Raw Egg. Just you need to find timing to introduce it raw Egg though.

>sometimes some cheese to their meat.

Why cheese for meal? You could use bits for training maybe but not cheese meal.

> Yesterday I gave Gravy an extra chicken leg/thigh in the afternoon and he ate it right up.

In addition to beef,chicken,raw Egg and more chicken.. yea,I think too much food too soon.

>Today for the first time I fed a piece of pork shoulder (about 1 lb each) and some chicken >thighs (1 each).

So,now you gave pork.. before seeing dog digest any of the meat you gave well torelated..

Stop pork,beef,and stick to chicken till you see poo coming out firmer;meaning well digested.

Rawfeeding is not competition so,you need to see your dog and go slow with new meat.
you do not need to feed everything so fast.you do not need to feed Egg right away.
rawfeeding is balance over time so,you do not worry about balance each day as well.

Just stick to simple menu first and make it more varied asyourdog adjust to your new menu.

Too much food,too much fat,too much new thing too sonn cause loose poo/diarrhea.

>They also got about 1/2 cup cheese and a little buttermilk. Should I cut out the
> dairy?

I do not undeerstand why you give that much of cheese and butter milk.Why do you give them?

If you wanted to feed diary,maybe use as treats,tiny bits among diet.Not main menu.I now think that yourdog having poo prob because too much new thing too soon+too much diary and cannot torelate that much of diary products.

You need to evaluate your menu for yourdogs,and go slow,add new thing only one new stuff one at a time,that should help.

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7c. Re: New raw feeder
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:55 pm ((PDT))

>Sorry but what is green tripe?

It is from cow stomach.It has some nutrition in it and some people feed it including myself but you do not need it yet because if you feed it as well,you have more prob.

Give tripe when dogs are ready. Not now.

yassy

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8. Doxie coming home from knee surgery
Posted by: "Pam Staley" pam@tlcnaturally.com mogalone2001
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:55 pm ((PDT))

well, Benson did break a bone in his little leg .. have no idea how!!
And what a trooper - I can't even imagine letting a vet poke and prod
and pull and massage a broken leg without a whimper, a flinch ect...
he just LAYED THERE - she didn't think it was broke and after about
5mins of moving the leg, feeling it ... turning him over and over,
she said...uhhh I do think I 'hear' something - so we xrayed - and
clean break right below the knee .. one the long bone that is between
the knee and foot...sigh....what a bummer...just what we need - a
$1,000 vet bill - unbelievable....my husband's out of a job...this is
going to be one long bill. Anyway - I'm wondering if there is any
'meat' that would be better for him during his recovery or should I
just continue our raw diet once he gets home?

thanks...and sorry for the bummer note

Pam in MO

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9a. Re: Houston meat suppliers - Anyone have suggestions?
Posted by: "ms1616emc" auntie_bear@hotmail.com ms1616emc
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:56 pm ((PDT))

Kae - I found a terrific local California supplier via another user
group, CarnivoreFeed-Supplier@yahoogroups.com... you might try joining
that group for info; it has members from all over the country.

Sandra

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "kaebruney" <kaebruney@...> wrote:
I was wondering if anyone in Houston or
> the SE Texas area had a reliable supplier they buy from?

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10. Re New rawfeeder (re-post)
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:56 pm ((PDT))

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11a. Re: All In...
Posted by: "carolejc2007" mooska2me@sbcglobal.net carolejc2007
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:57 pm ((PDT))

What a great idea! I was wondering what I could fill the Kong's with
now that My dogs are on a raw diet. And the chicken "stuffing" is
pure genius, especially in this Texas heat. Thanks!

Carole

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Andrea" <poketmouse45@...> wrote:
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> Ground meats as kong filling works great, I also use it to stuff the
> cavity of chickens and freeze for good cool fun during the summer
> months.
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> Andrea
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12a. Re: Species of tripe
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:45 pm ((PDT))

Libby,

Does he go to the farm and do the slaughtering there? If so, he could just
leave behind the discards for the "coyotes"! :))

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "great_dane_devotee" <libpowers@mac.com>

How does one get an offer of the butchering discards? I contacted my
butcher (He does my
steer) to ask for such items as heart, liver, tongue, and they told me that
it was illegal to offer
any parts that were uninspected to a consumer for liability reasons. I was
free to get those
from my own butchered animals, but not from others' animals.

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13a. Re: milk-replacer in litter of Cavalier King Charles Spaniels
Posted by: "Caren OConnor" cavkist@yahoo.com cavkist
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 3:42 pm ((PDT))

Anne -
Today I pulled the milk replacer. I have used ground meat along with chicken necks because I was concerned my pups would not get adequate nutrition if I fed portions of meat with bone. I've purchased one last package of ground meat and, thereafter, I'll feed raw with bone.
For me, raw feeding is a journey, not a destination. I'm learning along the way and thanks to all who continually offer their support and expertise:)
Caren O'Connor
Nansemond Cavaliers

Michael Moore <m-tak@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>I have a litter of Cavaliers who will be 7 weeks old tomorrow. I have been weaning them from their mommy and supplementing with a milk-replacer. I decreased their nursing capability - removed mommy gradually - and began feeding raw at about 4.5 weeks.
My question is - May I now stop the milk replacer and just have them drink water with the raw food?
And, I'm not sure why I used milk replacer. Does everyone do this with their litters?<<

I did not use any milk replacer with my Pembroke puppies, and I had a litter of nine! Even before I "saw the light" and went to raw, I always discontinued milk replacer by 7 wks. of age. And, I also did not use any ground meats whatsoever, starting my pups at about 5 wks. with bone-in chicken breasts, ribboned so they could easily grab hold of the meat. Worked great for these guys. Just my .02 worth.

-- Anne Moore (M-Tak PWC and one goofy GSD rescue and a silly Golden rescue) in NW Ohio

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14a. Re: Fasting a 7 mo old pup?
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 4:44 pm ((PDT))

"I am no expert but I think with him being so young I would just feed less
or take the food up sooner."

I agree - I would not fast a young pup to lose weight, just cut back 1/4 lb
per day and take it off slowly.
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Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com

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15. Constipation??
Posted by: "Virginia Snider" vsnider@cogeco.ca rawbglass
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 4:44 pm ((PDT))

Hi,

Rio, a 22 lb Pug, (not overweight but long legs and looks like a mini
wrinkled Boxer), is 11 mos and on raw for about 3 weeks now. Have to still
just sear the meat a bit to warm it up, but he is doing really well and is
still excited about eating.

He eats all his food and is on beef, chicken, duck gizzards and chicken
hearts. Problem is, all now he seems constipated. When I first got him
about a month ago he was on cheap crunchie and would go 4 x a day. Then
after raw started he went down to 2x and better formed. He hasn't done
anything in over 24 hours except a teenie dud that wasn't worth the effort.

I am getting worried, (first dog), but he is still full of energy and
hungry. Drinking lots of water. Any ideas?

Also, is there any reason he can't eat sweet potatoes?

TIA,

Virginia

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