[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12046

There are 22 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. small intestine question
From: rach9876
1b. Re: small intestine question
From: costrowski75

2a. Re: Newbie Here
From: Andrea
2b. Re: Newbie Here
From: Giselle

3a. Re: Just had o share this and a couple ?'s
From: kaebruney

4a. Re: newbie - with problems
From: m0v1efan
4b. Re: newbie - with problems
From: m0v1efan
4c. Re: newbie - with problems
From: Laurie Swanson

5. Constipation?
From: Shannon Hully

6. Turkey Questions
From: Greg Falken

7a. Re: RAW for a small chi puppy :)
From: Kelly

8a. Re: Feeding Heads
From: costrowski75
8b. Re: Feeding Heads
From: Renate

9a. Re: Goat - how to order
From: costrowski75

10a. Lamb or Goat- any experiences?
From: Maggie Smith
10b. Re: Lamb or Goat- any experiences?
From: Morledzep@aol.com

11a. Re: Fishy stuff
From: Morledzep@aol.com

12a. Re: Just started three weeks ago...pit bull losing hair!
From: Morledzep@aol.com

13a. Re: I'm new with puppy
From: dancingmommy2002

14. New and just started
From: Virginia Snider

15. boneless meals/what to feed?
From: morkydzgrl

16. EPI German Shepherd with terrible gas - Ugh!!
From: Steve Gomes

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1a. small intestine question
Posted by: "rach9876" rach9876@yahoo.com rach9876
Date: Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:26 pm ((PDT))

I found small intestine at an asian market and bought some. After i
bought it, I think I read in some previous posts that this prob would
not normally be eaten in the wild, but i will give it a try anyway. It
looks like it's in strips but there is what looks like fat on the
edges. Does anyone have any idea what this is? I am wondering if i
should trim it off?

Oh, and one more question, i read somewhere that raw deer bones can
easily splinter and therefore does not make a great RMB. This doesnt
sound right to me - does anyone have any insight? I've never fed deer
but would love to if and when i come accross it.

Thanks!

Rachel

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1b. Re: small intestine question
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:32 pm ((PDT))

"rach9876" <rach9876@...> wrote:
>
> I found small intestine at an asian market and bought some. After i
> bought it, I think I read in some previous posts that this prob would
> not normally be eaten in the wild, but i will give it a try anyway.
It
> looks like it's in strips but there is what looks like fat on the
> edges. Does anyone have any idea what this is? I am wondering if i
> should trim it off?
*****
They're intestines all cleaned up and pretty looking. Yes, that's
fat. You bought 'em, you should feed 'em. Let your dogs decide
whether you made a wise choice. At the very least these are
more "real" than the bleached white intestines sold as chitterlings.

My local Filipino meat market (a truly magical place) calls these
intenstines "end gut".

> Oh, and one more question, i read somewhere that raw deer bones can
> easily splinter and therefore does not make a great RMB. This doesnt
> sound right to me - does anyone have any insight?
*****
I suppose a dried out old thang might be brittle, but the deer bones
I've laid hands on have been--at worst--bare naked, but not dry and
splintery. Meaty deer necks are probably my favorite RMB to feed; the
necks are almost always fully consumed; shoulders, though less meaty,
are easy bones as well.

IMO the long bones are very similar to goat or lamb bones. Not
splintery when fresh.
Chris O

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2a. Re: Newbie Here
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Mon Sep 17, 2007 6:19 pm ((PDT))

Hi, PK, welcome to the group! I'm glad that raw has been helping your old boy with his
itchies. Have you tried giving him fish oil capsules? Though my newf mix pup is healthy
as a horse, he had a slightly off smell to his fur until I started giving him fish oil. It also
helps other dogs with dry and/or itchy skin.

For cleaning nasty teeth the best food I've found is anything with a good amount of skin
on. Pork shoulder and pork feet take a lot of work to tear into, but the bone isn't hard to
consume. Can you get rabbit for a reasonable price? That is a really good animal with
soft bones too, and if you can get it with fur and all (and get your boy to eat it) it would be
a really good "toothbrush."

Beef is generally too expensive for me to buy unless it is tongue or heart, but eventually
you might try some for another protein source. Cooking changes the protein structures in
meat so a dog that is allergic to cooked beef might not have any reaction to raw beef. I'd
wait on that experiment until you get his current itchies worked out, though.

Hope that answered your questions, don't hesitate to ask if you have more.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "PK Shader" <Forloveofdogs@...> wrote:
> he has a terrible odor
> to him. His ears are a constant source of misery to him even though I
> can find nothing in them and he still itches (no yeast on or in him).
> Not nearly as bad as he used to but, still, far too much. And his
> teeth are gross. They are covered with brown tartar and when he
> kisses me I hold my breath for peril of my life his breath has never
> been so bad.
>
> It takes him a long time to get through a meal as he has to chew on a
> bone (chicken, turkey, lamb ribs) for a long time to get it done when
> he remembers how to eat that is. But chew and consume them he does.
> When we were cooking for him he had no tolerance for beef (made him
> itch) so he only gets calves liver/kidney/etc. once every 2 weeks

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2b. Re: Newbie Here
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Mon Sep 17, 2007 8:15 pm ((PDT))

Hi, PK!
I think that you need to list EVERYTHING that you feed or give
your dog as supps or meds.
Look at it all critically; is it appropriate for him right now?

First of all, let me just say that less is more; I've learned to
review everything I'm doing for my dog(s) periodically, especially for
one who has problems. Its entirely possible, and has happened to me,
to be giving a supp or fall into a way of feeding or treating a dog -
and not remember how you arrived there! : (

I wouldn't start adding any supps or meds to your dog's plan of care
until you pare down and revise your current plan.

Brewer's yeast imo, is not a good thing to add - BY can make a dog
itchy, and yeast is that last thing you want to add to a carnivore's diet.

Just because your dog has shown symptoms of food intolerance to cooked
proteins doesn't mean that raw proteins will give the same problems.
The opposite, in fact; cooked proteins are significantly different in
composition than the raw natural proteins, less bioavailable and
digestible. Grains, additives and veggies are more likely to be the
culprits in a dog's diet to cause itchiness and food intolerance symptoms.

So far as diet;
1) You can smash bone into bits, if your dog is having trouble chewing
them. Put the portion in a plastic bag, wrap in an old kitchen towel,
and pound with a tenderizing mallet or the back of a cleaver until the
bone is small enough. Remember, you don't need much edible bone, 10%
is all. Most meals can be boneless.

2) Look at the meats you are buying; do they have any enhancements?
Additives can make some dogs itchy. Read the labels before you buy,
and don't get any products that say they are enhanced with seasoning
or flavorings, glazed, injected with salt solutions, have fluid added,
etc.

3) Introduce proteins you have been avoiding. Give them a week or more
for a trial. See what happens, judge whether to continue feeding or
not from your dog's responses.

4) Add more variety in organs, if you can. Spleen, tongue (usually fed
as meat), esophagus, tripe, sweetbreads (thymus & pancreas), brain.

5) You probably will have to brush his teeth yourself, since he can't
keep them clean with the foods he can manage to eat. You can use a
gauze pad wrapped around your finger to remove the soft plaque at
first, and a dental scaler to scrape the calculus away.
Advanced dental disease can cause systemic bodily inflammation and
organ failure.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calculus_(dental)
http://www.homedental.com/detailscaler.asp

6) Rethink the garlic use, or at least stop for now, since flea season
is mostly over.

Good quality probiotics and enzymes without inappropriate additives
can help a dog with digestive problems, given at the appropriate
times. But are you absolutely sure the probiotics are necessary? Did
you start giving them when you began raw, or when you began home
cooking? I'd ditch 'em, and not add them back into your dog's regimen
unless there is real need.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probiotic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digestive_enzyme#Pancreatic_enzymes

It might be helpful for you to do some research online about Canine
Cognitive Disfunction Syndrome or doggie Alzheimer's disease.
http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art25417.asp
Allopathic medications, or alternative approaches may be able to help him.

I hope that some of this helps Jack, let us know what ensues.
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> I am sure these questions have been asked to death in one form or
> another but here they are again. I have been feeding my 15 year old
> Puddin Jack Russell raw for about a 6 months now.
<snip>
> As you can see I am confused and would appreciate any and all advice
> about making my good, old dog's last years as pleasant and happy as
> possible.
>
> Thanks,
>
> PK and Homey Jack

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3a. Re: Just had o share this and a couple ?'s
Posted by: "kaebruney" kaebruney@yahoo.com kaebruney
Date: Mon Sep 17, 2007 6:27 pm ((PDT))

Wow... it sounds like you got quite a treasure there.An antilope head,
parts and scraps! Those pics are great. I love it when the babies
think they have to kill their catch! *lol*

man... Where do you guys find all this good stuff? I'm having the
hardest time finding anything more than store cuts. :0(

Kae

-- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "lauraanimal1" <lauraanimal1@...>
>
> ok I went out to the meat processors and got 2 antilope carcasses
> (sp?) some leg and foot bones that had a lot of meat still left on
> them , about 10 lbs in other meat scraps and a antilope head.
>

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4a. Re: newbie - with problems
Posted by: "m0v1efan" susanbrown@sbcglobal.net m0v1efan
Date: Mon Sep 17, 2007 8:18 pm ((PDT))

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Andrea,
Thank you for responding. Magie is much better tonight. She didn't
eat all day just had some chicken broth and water. I felt so bad
that I am doing this wrong and was was tempted to go back on Innova,
but after reading archives today decided to give her a chicken
thigh/leg combo. She carried it around in the yard for about five
minutes. Then she finally she ate it. I haven't seen any stools
yet, but hopefully they will be back to normal. She has been playing
with Brie and running and not acting sick.
Man, learning this stuff is scary.
In my ignorance, I did buy the white stuff from the grocery store. I
thought I was giving the girls something wonderful. Okay, so I still
have LOTS to learn. I need to look for green tripe then.
I also bought gizzards, hearts, beef liver and was going to give
that... not now. But is that too much variety for her?
So much to learn - so far to go.
Thank you so much for your help.

Susie

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4b. Re: newbie - with problems
Posted by: "m0v1efan" susanbrown@sbcglobal.net m0v1efan
Date: Mon Sep 17, 2007 8:21 pm ((PDT))

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Kathy,
Thank you for responding.

Once I use up the mixed stuff in the freezer I am going to go with
the whole bird scenerio. We are giving the mixture in the mornings
and the leg/thighs in the evenings.
I went to the grocery store to buy a whole chicken,but they have all
been processed with the guts and necks removed! I'm going to go to
the asian market and look.
So do I just cut it in half and give it to the girls? Or I think I
read someone saying a whole chicken should do five feedings?

Both of my girls are around 70 pounds.

Thanks again,
Susie
(& Brie and Magie Moo)

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4c. Re: newbie - with problems
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Tue Sep 18, 2007 3:39 am ((PDT))

Hi Susie,

I'd hold off on the gizzards, heart, and liver until things get
stabilized and then add them in one at a time in small amounts so you
can see how things go. Stick with chicken for a bit (maybe a week or
two). Green tripe is only available online or direct from
farmers/butchers sometimes. It's not at any grocery store.

Hang in there. It will be fine. Just keep it simple, keep reading the
list and asking questions.

Laurie

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5. Constipation?
Posted by: "Shannon Hully" summerwolf@theherbalhotline.com bluehankw
Date: Mon Sep 17, 2007 8:21 pm ((PDT))

I just got my new rescue Greyhound boy (currently 76lbs, probably
about 5lbs overweight) and started him on raw. I intended to switch
him over slowly from the death-in-a-bag they call Old Roy's to raw
but he would have none of that. He walked into the kitchen, smelled
where the cats had eaten their little feathered bodies, and promptly
held up his nose in disgust at the horrible little pieces of ki**le I
tried to hand feed him.

Seeing as I wanted him on raw anyway I wasn't too upset to be
corralled into switching him immediately, I was just worried about
dire-rears for a day or two! ...Well I'm having the opposite
problem, oddly. His first raw meal was chicken drumstick (small) on
Saturday night. I've been giving him breast in the morning and
drumstick at night both days following that. He had a bowel movement
Saturday night (getting rid of the last of the ki**le from his
system) but has not done so since.

However he isn't squatting or straining or doing anything else to
indicate that he even has to go! I know I've read about this before
and I tried surfing the posts but couldn't come up with anything (of
course the splitting headache I've had for the past four hours isn't
helping much).

I figure maybe he's getting too much bone for now so maybe I ought to
cut back on that until thing start moving properly.

My question is this: How long do I continue to feed him and assume
it's just that he's eating less bulk and will take a little while to
work its way through his system?

On an aside, I'm glad my husband wasn't around for Darwin's dinner
tonight! He (the DH) is far less well-read on this diet so he tends
to worry more. Yesterday Darwin (the Greyhound) was a bit over-
enthusiastic about swallowing his bone and had to cough it back up to
make it smaller. My husband was on the verge of panic, saying: "He's
choking!". Poor guy would be rethinking the whole diet if he knew
Darwin had thrown up his whole dinner tonight. ...And I certainly
won't be telling him that I encouraged the dog to go ahead and eat it
again, but to kindly chew the bones a bit better this time! LOL
Hopefully he'll get the idea quickly. :-)

Shannon

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6. Turkey Questions
Posted by: "Greg Falken" yahoo@falken.name gfalken
Date: Mon Sep 17, 2007 8:22 pm ((PDT))

We haven't started feeding raw yet, for the simple reason that our
adopted Corgi doesn't arrive until Friday. We're researching food
sources now and our town has a turkey ranch that raises free-range
turkeys (Diestel Farms). What turkey parts should we ask about that
would be good for a 30-35 lb. dog? Would turkey be just as good to start
out on as chicken? We also have a local market with a meat department.
Should we just ask them what parts they usually discard? The choices
seem a bit overwhelming.

Oh yes, one more thing. If the dog is used to eating twice a day, what's
the best way to transition to a once a day diet? This is purely for our
convenience but it would sure make things easier.

Thanks for your help.

-Greg

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7a. Re: RAW for a small chi puppy :)
Posted by: "Kelly" kelism@gmail.com vt_stuff
Date: Mon Sep 17, 2007 8:24 pm ((PDT))

On 9/17/07, gheletca_v <gheletca_v@yahoo.ca> wrote:

> I have a long hair Chihuahua that right now is almost 12 weeks old
> and 0.565 grams.

.565 grams? Isn't that .02 oz? I'm guessing that must be a typo? Based on
what I know, smaller chihuahuas are usually around 2-4 oz when they are born
and would be around 12-16 oz at 12 weeks. I don't remember how big my
girls were at that age, but I'm guessing a little over 1 pound (16-20 oz?).
They are now both right around 3 lbs as adults.

> - How much am I suppose to feed a puppy that is so small? She eats
> about 2 teaspoons of canned food or about 10 pieces of kibble …lol.

I'd feed 10% of her weight or however much she will eat (provided she
doesn't seem to be a huge piggy). I'd also feed her several times per day
to make sure her blood sugar doesn't drop. I hope you know the signs of low
blood sugar, if not, please familiarize yourself with them. Hopefully it
isn't something you'll need to deal with, but it can be rather scarey.

> - Are there any sites or forums where I can learn more about RAW
> feeding a small Chihuahua puppy?

There is a raw chihuahua list on yahoogroups, but from my experience you can
apply anything you hear on most any list to your dog...just know that she
will eat less at a time but more if you figure it as a percentage of her
body weight. Bigger adult dogs can sometimes eat 1-2% of their body weight,
she may end up eating closer to 4-5% or more.

> - Considering that she can't really chew on bones what can I give
> her? I can't find any chicken necks ….

I'd look for small animals - game hen, quail, rabbit, etc. You can also get
chicks or mice. Don't worry, before long she should have no problems with
chicken bones.

--
Kelly

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8a. Re: Feeding Heads
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Sep 17, 2007 8:49 pm ((PDT))

Renate <renate.tideswell@...> wrote:
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> Just curious, those of you feeding ruminant's heads (presumably
including
> brains) aren't you afraid of 'mad cow disease'/kreutzfeld-jacob?
****
I do feed them when possible and I don't worry because there's no
evidence that BSE is transferrable to dogs. In the wild, wolves are
quite willing to dispatch the wounded and the infirm; research suggests
the incidence of Chronic Wasting Disease is reduced by wolves and
increases when wolves are for whatever reason no longer in the area.
Since there've been no reports of wolves dying from (or
even "catching") CWD, I am comfortable with the notion of feeding heads
to dogs. Obviously, if you are not satisfied that there is no danger,
do not feed them.

BSE (and CWD?) is transferrable to cats.
Chris O

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8b. Re: Feeding Heads
Posted by: "Renate" renate.tideswell@gmail.com tideswell_renate
Date: Tue Sep 18, 2007 5:46 am ((PDT))

Thank you Casey, Kathy and Chris,
Up until 2 years I ago I owned a sheep farm (I'm in Canada), and BSE made a
HUGE change in our business and lives. So I'm happy hearing your
responses. This is a big sheep/goat farming area so I expect to be using
those as a significant part of the doggies' diet (if I ever manage to take
the leapLOL) We've been testing the waters and none of them have any
problem eating any bits of anything that I cut off our food before cooking,
so I don't know why I'm hesitating. Keep thinking I need to learn more...
Renate

On 9/17/07, costrowski75 <Chriso75@aol.com> wrote:
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> Renate <renate.tideswell@...> wrote:
> >
> > Just curious, those of you feeding ruminant's heads (presumably
> including
> > brains) aren't you afraid of 'mad cow disease'/kreutzfeld-jacob?
> *
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>
>
>

--
Renate
'The more I learn about men, the more I love my Shih Tzu'

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9a. Re: Goat - how to order
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:11 pm ((PDT))

"marblekallie" <marble@...> wrote:
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> Hi:
>
>I have 4 mini dachshunds weighing an average of 10lbs -- some
> less, some more. I also live in an apartment in the city, so very
> large meals don't work well. How should I ask for it to be cut?
*****
Cool!
I have ordered goat cut into 4" - 6" hunks (for others, not for my
dogs!) which added .15/lb to the price but seems to work nicely for
those who preferred to feed smaller goat parts. I'd think that would
be a useful size even for your wee ones. Whatever hunk size you decide
on, the butcher should be able to run the goat though his band saw with
little effort.

Goat
> for me is the most successful of all red meat.
*****
For my dogs its a toss up between goat and venison, but lacking vension
(which is most of the time these days), goat is a welcome meat.
Chris O

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10a. Lamb or Goat- any experiences?
Posted by: "Maggie Smith" redkeds@comcast.net redkeds1
Date: Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:38 pm ((PDT))

Hi All,

I just got my first order of lamb thru our raw coop - my 2 Danes love
it!

I keep seeing references to goat - any comparisons to lamb or other
meats?

Thanks,
Maggie, Rufus and Oliver

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10b. Re: Lamb or Goat- any experiences?
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Tue Sep 18, 2007 1:54 am ((PDT))

In a message dated 9/17/2007 8:39:06 PM Pacific Standard Time,
redkeds@comcast.net writes:

I keep seeing references to goat - any comparisons to lamb or other
meats?

Maggie,

Goat is generally leaner that lamb or sheep.. other than that there is no
major difference that i can think of.

Catherine R.

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11a. Re: Fishy stuff
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Tue Sep 18, 2007 1:45 am ((PDT))

In a message dated 9/17/2007 4:24:13 AM Pacific Standard Time,
quahog@netnet.net writes:

Namely that if they're raw then their OK, but steer clear of cooked bones?

Dave,

that's pretty much true of ALL bones, regardless of the animal they come
from..

and remember, bones are not the focus of the diet.. they are a very small but
important part of the overall diet.

Catherine R.

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12a. Re: Just started three weeks ago...pit bull losing hair!
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Tue Sep 18, 2007 1:54 am ((PDT))

In a message dated 9/17/2007 5:25:24 AM Pacific Standard Time,
steph.sorensen@yahoo.com writes:

I can't help but notice that my pit bull's hair is thinning in small
patches around her hind end. I am not ruling out her chewing on
herself because she had fleas (which I just got rid of). However,
could it be diet related, and if so, is that what the fish oil
capsules are for?

Steph,

Fish body oil or salmon oil is for providing O3's that storebought meat can't
provide. It can, and often does have the added benefit of adding some fat to
the diet and making the dogs skin soft and moist, and therefore making the
coat shiny.

I doubt your naked pit bull is caused by diet.. most likely it's just getting
over your flea problem and reacting to the heat. i have 2 nearly naked
akitas because of the recent heat waves..

Sometimes new raw dogs shed a little heavy and new healthy hair replaces it,
but i've never heard of any dogs getting naked because of it.

Another thing to look at with coat problems is the possibility of cushings
disease.. so if her hair doesn't grow back in a few weeks make a stop at the
vets office and ask about it.

Catherine R.

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13a. Re: I'm new with puppy
Posted by: "dancingmommy2002" dancingmommy@sbcglobal.net dancingmommy2002
Date: Tue Sep 18, 2007 3:39 am ((PDT))

Thank you all for your response! We picked up our boy tonight and he
got his first chicken thigh when we settled in at home. He
absolutely loved it! I will do the math on the quantities and start
that tomorrow. Until I can get in a co-op I think I will be buying
meat daily! What a change from my terrier who only ate 1/2 lb a
day! Thank you all again for your help!

Susan

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Giselle" <megan.giselle@...>
wrote:
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> Hi, Susan!
> Welcome!
> I'm not sure 'where you're at' with raw feeding since you're new to
> this group, so I'm going to post a link to the same post I use for
> new-to-raw newbies. You can just print it out, scan through the text
> and highlight whats relevant for you.
>
> Link; http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/141374
>
> You really want to get some more variety of protein, and also organs
> in their diet.
> Lis' List, in my recommendations, will help with that.
>
> Pups generally tolerate a greater variety sooner than older dogs do,
> but there isn't any problem with going slowly, either.
>
> The general guideline here is to feed 10% of the pup's estimated
IDEAL
> adult body weight daily, up until about 4mo. Then, feed 2-3% of the
> EIABW daily, in 2-3 meals a day until about 7-9 mo, then 2 meals
daily
> from about 9-12mo. After that, you can go to 1 meal a day, or every
> other day, or gorge 'n fast meals, or any combination of the above.
>
> There are people posting links to online sources of protein/organs
and
> also new and established coops and more informal buying agreements
by
> some individuals, so if you want to get in on some of that action,
do
> some searching in the archives, or post your general location in a
new
> topic and ask for interested people to respond.
>
> TC, and do let us know how you progress!
> Giselle
> with Bea in New Jersey
>
> > I am new to this group and am here to learn. I have a terrier
mix
> > that I have been feeding raw for 3 years now.
> <snip>
> Is his diet
> > varied enough?
> >
> > Now, for the new puppy. <snip> How do I transition him to meat?
How
> > much do I give him, and how often? He is 16 weeks old. Is the
> > current diet that I am giving my terrier good for him too? Just
in
> > larger quantities?
> <snip>
> > Thanks in advance!
> > Susan
> >
>

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14. New and just started
Posted by: "Virginia Snider" vsnider@cogeco.ca rawbglass
Date: Tue Sep 18, 2007 3:40 am ((PDT))

Hi,

I have a 11 mo old rescue Pug, who came from an unknown background.. I
have had him a month. When I first got him he was on cheap hard stuff, so I
tried upgrading it to a better brand.

He had runny stool and was going 4 x a day. He just started refusing to
eat. (I think he was hoping for something better and training me, lol, my
first dog)., so I talked to someone at the Pet Food store and she told me
she does a raw diet on her own dogs. Sounded good to me since I was fed up
with the dry and was saying he wants MEAT:-)

I started him with chicken and he gobbled it up, added some eggs, then beef.
Today he had Duck Hearts and was going crazy dancing around as soon as he
got a whiff. For treats he has been getting dehydrated Bison Hearts.

He seems to have more energy, and the "going problem" is now once a day and
quite normal looking. I am happy I was told about the raw diet and hope to
learn more. I am fortunate that I have a market that has meats/organs/fish
that is not too spendy. It really is a relief to see him eating again,
(with Gusto), and now he sleeps and doesn't stare at me with those woeful
hungry eyes. His energy has zoomed up and he actually ran around in huge
circle sweeps in the yard, which I had never seen him do, now he wants to
run.

A few questions: he doesn't want to eat anything if it is cold. Just
slightly warm is ok, but nothing out of the fridge - anyone else have this
with their dogs?. I also tried giving him a fresh fish, (not Tilapia), but
he was not interested in it at all - is there a preferred fish most dogs
enjoy or is an easy start?

Thanks in advance,

Virginia

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15. boneless meals/what to feed?
Posted by: "morkydzgrl" ShankMa4@aol.com morkydzgrl
Date: Tue Sep 18, 2007 5:46 am ((PDT))

As I am reading and learning here (and watching my dogs poop), I
realize that many (maybe most) meals are boneless. When I first
started 1.5 months ago I was focused on bones because of the name of
the diet .... raw meaty bones.

Now I see that only 10% of diet is bone and 10% is organ. That leaves
80% meat. That is a big portion --80%. How come we aren't talking more
about boneless meals?

Any suggestions, tips, education on how to feed 80% boneless meals?
Are people feeding 80% boneless meals?

Thank you!

Cindi

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16. EPI German Shepherd with terrible gas - Ugh!!
Posted by: "Steve Gomes" gomes@alamedanet.net stvgomes
Date: Tue Sep 18, 2007 5:47 am ((PDT))

We have a 7 year old EPI German Shepherd dog, on Pancreved, and she has
terrible gas. The situation has been on-going for two years. We have
been prey-model feeding for a couple of weeks now, in hopes of
improving the situation - but to no avail.

On behalf of us and our houseguests, we are seeking any suggestions
anyone may have.

Thank you.

Steve

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