Feed Pets Raw Food: [rawfeeding] Digest Number 12040

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Urgent about Pet treats!
From: Belinda van de Loo

2a. Re: Not Digesting Bone
From: Belinda van de Loo
2b. Re: Not Digesting Bone
From: Sandee Lee
2c. Re: Not Digesting Bone
From: carnesbill

3a. Re: Vomit greyish brownish liquid with bone chunk and meat and mucus
From: Yasuko herron
3b. Re: Vomit greyish brownish liquid with bone chunk and meat and mucus
From: tottime47
3c. Re: Vomit greyish brownish liquid with bone chunk and meat and mucus
From: Yasuko herron

4. Re: Vomit greyish brownish liquid with bone chunk and meat and m...
From: Morledzep@aol.com

5a. Re: lamb kidney (was: regurgitating)
From: Laurie Swanson

6a. Re: regurgitating
From: katkellm
6b. Re: regurgitating
From: steph.sorensen

7. Re: Vomit greyish brownish liquid with bone chunk and meat and mucus
From: Klayton Lapa

8. How to start a 6 year old on raw feed?
From: advocate_tears

9a. Re: cairn puppy won't eat raw
From: Howard Salob
9b. Re: cairn puppy won't eat raw
From: costrowski75

10a. new rescue -- has temp of 102
From: moemahood@aol.com
10b. Re: new rescue -- has temp of 102
From: Sandee Lee
10c. Re: new rescue -- has temp of 102
From: Belinda van de Loo
10d. Re: new rescue -- has temp of 102
From: Doguefan@aol.com
10e. Re: new rescue -- has temp of 102
From: John and Jeni Blackmon

11a. Re: Worried about a possible blockage?
From: linoleum5017

12a. Tried to feed raw diet today.. NO LUCK
From: Jenn
12b. Re: Tried to feed raw diet today.. NO LUCK
From: Sandee Lee

13a. Re: update on Molly - she's home!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: Trish

14a. ADMIN/Re: "Treats?"
From: costrowski75

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1. Urgent about Pet treats!
Posted by: "Belinda van de Loo" auntielindyloo@yahoo.com belindavandeloo
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2007 2:36 pm ((PDT))

Hello all,
I'm forwarding/reposting the message below concerning a critical
situation.
This afternoon I stopped by our local PetCo and found the "Chicken
Tenders" and, sure enough, they were made in China. I alerted the
store manager about them and mentioned the report below. He was
unaware but assured me he would contact the head office about this
product.
I couldn't help but have the feeling that if many of us did the same,
there would be fewer dogs suffering from these products. Therefore I
forward it and pass it on to each of you.
BTW, has anyone heard an update on Bella?

Greetings,
Belinda and "Honey" from Holland
--- In Earthdog_fanciers@yahoogroups.com, "Jan W" <jpw@...> wrote:
>
> As a rule, I do not normally forward mail, but this is important to
all dog owners.
>
> Jan in NS
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joan B Blackstaffe
> To: canadacairns
> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 1:40 PM
> Subject: [CanadaCairns] FW: URGENT PET FOOD - BELLA IN THE HOSPITAL
>
>
>
> PLEASE READ AND SHARE THIS WITH ANYONE WHO HAS DOGS, ESPECIALLY
SMALL DOGS
> >>
> >>Bella, 3 years old, 4 pounds
> >>
> >>Product - Smoke House Chicken Breast Tenders Treats
> >>
> >>Bella became suddenly ill ,and now hospitalized with her life
threatened
> >>due to Smoke House Chicken Tenders.I recently purchased at Pet
Smart.
> It
> >>doesn't matter where you purchase them, just don't purchase them.
> >>
> >>This was the first time I bought the Smoke House treats. Having
> read the
>
> >>label, it was listed as all natural, no additives, dyes etc. The
treats
> >>were purchased on or about August 17. She loved them and I was
happy
> >>because she typically only likes one treat. By August 23 she
vomited
> >>bile, and again on August 24. Her personality began to change
becoming
> >>lethargic, wanting to stay in her bed, loss of appetite. excessive
> >>drinking, urinating frequently in excessive amounts. urine became
orange
> >>like in color. By August 28 she was severely dehydrated and lost
one of
> >>her three pounds.
> >>
> >>Sugar was found in her urine which would typically indicate
diabetes.
> >>Bella was put on IV and given an antibiotic to take while tests
were
> being
>
> >>done over Labor Day weekend.
> >>
> >>Test results showed "irregularity in the lower part of her kidney.
> >>Possibly a hole in the kidney because of the malfunction.
> >>
> >>By today Sept 7, she was no better and very low on energy and
> interest in
> >>being around anyone. I brought the package of Smoke House Chicken
> Tenders
>
> >>with me to the vet because it was the only thing that was
different
> in her
>
> >>diet.
> >>
> >>My wonderful vet, a graduate of Cornell University searched the
Cornell
> >>Veterinarian site where veterinarians report unusual cases which
are
> >>tracked. The search was done by symptoms. A second search by
chicken
> >>treats.
> >>
> >>There were numerous cases on the Cornell University Veterinarian
web
> site,
>
> >>all with the same symptoms, test results and yes, related to
chicken
> >>tender treats made in China. Never did it cross my mind that this
> product
>
> >>was made in China. When Dr. didn't find complete listing of
ingredients
> >>on the package he called the number listed on the back of the
package
> >>identifying himself and asked for ingredients to help understand
what
> was
> >>happening to my pet. The only thing the person on the phone with a
> >>strong Chinese accent was "all natural, all natural". Sure enough
> looking
>
> >>at the small print on the bottom back of the package is "product
of
> >>China", the same source of other products that have been killing
our
> pets.
>
> >>I sat beside my vet and read along with him. Following are primary
> >>repeated findings;
> >>
> >>-severe damage to the kidney often resulting in complete renal
> failure and
>
> >>death
> >>-numerous reports in the past four to five weeks, a larger number
on the
> >>East Coast
> >>- chicken and beef treats promoted as all natural
> >>-it does not matter what the label is, if it is a product of China
> >>-if caught early enough, hospitalized on IV hydrating and
flushing the
> >>kidney over days with nutrients may help the kidney heal itself
and the
> >>pet could then live with the damaged kidney
> >>-if not caught early complete renal failure is expected
> >>-most cases reported are related to small dogs
> >>-initial symptoms indicate diabetes
> >>-mold is often found when flushing the kidney (found in Bella)
> >>
> >>I have been in touch with Pet Smart requesting them to help get
the
> >>ingredients. Time is lost analyzing the food. Today a vet at
Cornell
> >>purchased a bag after reading the report my Vet posted on Bella.
He
> then
> >>contacted my vet to say the bag he bought had mold in it despite
an
> >>expiration date one year from now. I was asked to look closely at
> >>whatever was left in my bag, but saw none.
> >>
> >>After Bella was admitted to the vet I went directly to Pet Smart
in
> Nanuet
>
> >>NY, told the Manager what happened and asked her to assist
getting the
> >>ingredients identified. I was met with a hostile attitude. She
was
> only
> >>interested in getting my name because she felt I was going to
file a
> >>complaint. The person at PS headquarters responsible for knowing
food
> >>ingredients at Pet Smart headquarters is trying to help.
> >>
> >>The information available to vets on the Cornell web site is not
public
> >>information. No one seems to be aware of this. Dogs are
misdiagnosed
> >>
> >>PLEASE SEND THIS ON TO YOUR PET LOVING FRIENDS AND SAVE A PET AND
> LOTS OF
> >>HEARTACHE.
> >>
> >>PLEASE POST THIS INFORMATION ON ANY WEB SITE YOU CAN CONCERNING
PETS.
> >>
> >>Allan and I are hoping and praying.
> >>
> >>View full sizeSmoke House Chicken Breast Tenders.
> >>
> >>
> >>View full sizeSmoke House Chicken Breast Tenders. Chicken on the
> right and
>
> >>left side are from a bag I bought today. All but one bag on the
shelf
> >>which was light in color were the deeper color. The center pieces
are
> >>from the bag Bella ate from. Because of the difference in color I
asked
> >>Pet Smart what the difference was. Were there dyes added? The
response
> >>was "it's all natural chicken so that's why the difference in
> shades". I
> >>pointed out that every single package was the deep color, except
the one
> >>left from the same batch I bought.
> >>
> >>
> >>I hope we have better news to tell you soon
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jan, thanks for forwarding that email about the Smokehouse Chicken
tenders. I nearly bought some of those from PetCo a few weeks ago but
then thought they'd probably been super-processed to be hanging in a
bag in a store like that. However, I did then start dehydrating
chicken breasts for my pups at home - they love them. But, I am
POSITIVE mine are organic and natural with no additives. Not so, the
ones hanging in the store.
I just may pop over to PetCo today or tomorrow to inform them about
this product. The headquarters of these PetCo and PetSmart stores may
not respond, but it's worth a try for us to deal with it individually,
store by store.

Blessings,
Belinda and "Honey" from Holland

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2a. Re: Not Digesting Bone
Posted by: "Belinda van de Loo" auntielindyloo@yahoo.com belindavandeloo
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2007 2:36 pm ((PDT))

Hi Roxanne,
Same situation with my Westie...
I only give him the smallest part of the wings now or chicken necks.
If I give him a bigger bone - be it rib, chicken leg, etc. I attach a
vice grip to one end which forces him to break off and crush the bone
more thoroughly.
Either that or I order raw ground whole carcass from Hare-Today.com
Blessings,
Belinda and "Honey" from Holland

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2b. Re: Not Digesting Bone
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2007 3:10 pm ((PDT))

Roxane,

It is not unusual for a dog new to raw to not digest all of the bone. You
might want to either smash the bone with a mallet...or feed less bone.
Chicken breasts might be a good starter for him....lots of meat with soft
easily digestible bones.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Roxane" <roxanegraham@yahoo.com>

I have a pug with irritable bowel syndrome that I have just started to
raw feed. He chews off the biggest pieces possible and swallows them. I
have been feeding chicken leg quarters. He has chewed off a couple of
good size chunks of bone and swallowed them, he just literaly pooped
out a bone so he is not digesting the bone. So this worrys me. Any
thoughts about this? Thanks Roxane

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2c. Re: Not Digesting Bone
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2007 6:26 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Roxane" <roxanegraham@...> wrote:
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> He chews off the biggest pieces possible and swallows them.

He's digesting bone, just not completely ... yet. As your dog eats
more and more meat, bones, and organs, his digestive juices will
reach a natural acidic level and all the bones will digest. It's
common for newly switched dogs to poop out some bone fragments and
even to vomit some bone fragments. This will happen less and less
as time goes by.

Don't think of your dogs chewing in the same terms as human
chewing. Humans(omnivores) chew food into a mush before
swallowing. Our saliva contains amylaze which is a digestive juice
so digestion begins in the mouth while we are chewing. Dogs, on the
other hand, merely crunch up food small enough to fit down their
throat and then they swallow large chunks. Digestion for a dog
begins in the stomach. No digestive juices in dog's saliva.
Chewing for a dog is a completely different process than human
chewing.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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3a. Re: Vomit greyish brownish liquid with bone chunk and meat and mucus
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2007 2:36 pm ((PDT))

I for got to add this;she ate morning meal at 8:30am,and vomitted at 4pm.

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3b. Re: Vomit greyish brownish liquid with bone chunk and meat and mucus
Posted by: "tottime47" tottime@aol.com tottime47
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2007 5:27 pm ((PDT))

Hi Yassy,

Sorry to hear Palette is under the weather.......I don't think it
would hurt her to try and make up the slippery elm balls that Giselle
recommends and give them to her. If it is viral then it will help to
coat her tummy and bowls. Other than that I wouldn't give her
anything but broth and water for the day, give her tummy a
rest........
As someone said if she keeps throwing up, then a visit to the vet is
in order........

Hope she's better soon..........

Carol, Charkee & Moli

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Yasuko herron
<sunshine_annamaria@...> wrote:
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> Hi. I have just found my dog vomit 5 spots
>
> I know that if there were bits of bone,it means,too much bone in
one sitting right?
>
> Greyish brownish liquid is telling you any??
>
> It is not from butt but from mouth with chunk of meat and bone.
>
> I am thinking she got rid of most of all meal she had this
morning.

> No idea what is causing this.
>
> Shedid vomitted this morning before feeding,but yellow bile which
I know because hungry.
>
> I did not fast her and just fed because it is just hungry sign. I
do not feed on exactly same time,but today,she did vomitted up
bile,and now this.
>
> Any suggestionswill be appreciated.
>
> I took her out again and she gave water out from butt so,i think
sheseems having butt prob too.
>
> yassy

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3c. Re: Vomit greyish brownish liquid with bone chunk and meat and mucus
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2007 9:15 pm ((PDT))

>Sorry to hear Palette is under the weather.....

Hi,everyone.Thank you for your kinds words for palette.

So, your thoughts are either virus,or blockage or just tummy got irritated?

First off,I do not think rib was too bony because it got about 2 inch of meat on top of bone,and she did not have prob before,but not sure why she had prob this time.

For virus,I do not know.Well,last night,it was heavy rain when I took her to potty before bed and she got wet. I did dried her fur with my hair dryer and,let her go to bed,but this morning,she was active as usual except she vomited yellowish bile according to my husband (I was in shower so,did notget to see it).

I interpreted as hungry so,I fed as usual after yellow bile this morning.

New thing we did other than food,I did not feel good due woman thing,and my husband took Palette for walk yestreday morning after he comes home in the morning.

He took her to different road than mine and she seemed sniffing places(road) like crazy.

She could catch virus by sniffing on walk??

She was acting as usual yesterday whole time.this morning to 4pm.She as usual woofing when dog passes,and when I said "Let's go check mail",she got excited and took me to mail box with full run.

Funny thing is that,both vomitting happen after my husband pet her. I know that petting is not all that great after 1hour or so from eating meal,but vomitting was before morning meal and after 7 hour from meal. I do not understand. Petting and vomitting related?

Right after palette vomitted large amount of vomit,she never show interests in re-eating,no interest in drinking water,no interests in getting frozen yogurt cube I give as cool down treats after walk in general (she usually drool onto floor but this time,no interests at all.I just wanted to give her some liquid but no go).

I thought that she did probably 1tbs worth of water out with tiny bit of mucus from butt,so, I thought she would probably get diarrhea after that,but does not look like that. She did not do gooey poo or anything.

So,I think she does not have butt prob now. Poo itself i picked up inside the house was solid,and did not leave any brown spots on carpet.

It just that make me surprise of how much amount of vomit she did..never saw it before.She did vomit only once with Turkey but,she re-ate it.And vomitting was no big deal to me,and I thought that I could be calm but this.. not really because never seen such big amount..with under the weather palette.

At this moment, she looks tired a bit,but now showed interests in water to drink so,she drank that and she showed interests in what human is eating and stand up with paw on my lap and checked on my plate,and she is more responding to our calling of her name almost spontaneously like usual not like at 4pm,when she did not like to move much although her eye stare at you and look like she is listening.And,she is moving around bit.My husband brought left-over pizza to living room,and she soon went to his place and showing how pretty she can sit.She is looking herself now.

So,I think, she feels better than 4pm.

I know that I am bit behind reading posts but, did not recognise the post others talked about;same vomit color andthedog turned out to have virus.. I think I try search on archive as well and read about it. I may have missed reading or not reading it yet.

So,when blockage happen, dog vomits too? At least,she did poo when she did vomit because we saw they were sitting next each other:-<

My husband said it could be that she got cold or something and not foodrelated,not sure,but we will keep an eye on her,and if it persists,we go to vet.

Thank you everyone.

yassy

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4. Re: Vomit greyish brownish liquid with bone chunk and meat and m...
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2007 2:57 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 9/15/2007 12:33:45 PM Pacific Standard Time,
sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com writes:

Was it too much fat because Idid not trim fat??? Anyway,she is looking not
feeling good.

I took her out again and she gave water out from butt so,i think sheseems
having butt prob too.

Yassy,

calm down.. relax. Put the pork you're planning to feed her back in the
fridge.. or even the freezer. DO NOT feed her any more today. Offer small
amounts of water ONLY every couple hours..

IF this continues for more than 24 hours get her to the vet ASAP..

Catherine R.

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5a. Re: lamb kidney (was: regurgitating)
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:10 pm ((PDT))

Hi Vickie,

I think my dog wasn't too excited about lamb kidney the first time.
The smell and texture are probably different than anything they've
eaten before. My dog kind of curled up his lip and licked it and
didn't eat it right away, but finally did eat it after the rest of
his meal. I would just keep trying it--maybe hand feed it so they
know for sure it's food, or slice into it or cut it up. If none of
those work, you could try also adding a bit of parmesan to it or
searing it a bit on the outside. It might just take a couple tries,
though. Some others will also give only that and once that's eaten,
they get the rest of the meal. Depends how long they hold out and
how bad you want them to eat it.

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Vickie" <dals4creekside@...>
wrote:

Also I fed some lamb kidney today and both dogs left
> that laying and wouldn't touch it. Any idea on this?

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6a. Re: regurgitating
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:11 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Vickie" <dals4creekside@...> wrote:
Usually its lamb. She doesn't seem to
> have a problem when I give lamb without any bone, but when there is
> bone with the lamb she seems to puke it up.

Hi Vickie,
I would guess that, because the lamb is probably the fattiest meat you
are feeding, her digestive juices have a hard time breaking down both
the fat and the bone in the meal, so the tummy gets rid of the bone
that isn't moving along fast enough. Since you didn't say what piece
of lamb you were feeding, it could also be that there is just more
bone than she is use to eating. Aside from the clean up mess, been
there and scrubbed up that, i wouldn't worry about it and would guess
she'll be able to eat it in time. KathyM

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6b. Re: regurgitating
Posted by: "steph.sorensen" steph.sorensen@yahoo.com steph.sorensen
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2007 5:26 pm ((PDT))

Vickie,

I just got to experience this first-hand yesterday afternoon - I fed
the girls a half chicken apiece. Lucy ate hers first, then promptly
threw up the entire contents of her meal immediately after being given
a small piece of beef liver. She re-ate the entire meal again with no
further recurrence of tummy issues.

I have heard that sometimes they do this. If it isn't sitting right or
needs to be chewed more, they will regurge. I have been told this is
normal, so I wouldn't worry unless their behavior changes markedly
after eating or their is blood in the regurged contents.

Pretty gross, but for some reason, watching my own dogs puke doesn't
really bother me. They're like my children!

-Steph
Scarlet, Lucy and Minkey

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Vickie" <dals4creekside@...> wrote:
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> Does anyone have a problem with their dog occasionally regurgitating
> meals? My one dog will go along just fine, but about once a week and
a
> half will regurgitate a meal. Usually its lamb. She doesn't seem to
> have a problem when I give lamb without any bone, but when there is
> bone with the lamb she seems to puke it up. She has no problem with
> chicken, or pork. Also I fed some lamb kidney today and both dogs
left
> that laying and wouldn't touch it. Any idea on this?
> Thanks
> Vickie
>

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7. Re: Vomit greyish brownish liquid with bone chunk and meat and mucus
Posted by: "Klayton Lapa" klaynkolt@hotmail.com klaynkolt85220
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:11 pm ((PDT))

We had a dog a couple months ago who you descripted his episode almost to
the T. Same color and consistence. We let his tummy rest a day or two
until he showed interest in food, and slowly put him back on his food.
Think it was a viral thing. Can not remember if anyone else picked it up.
Kelly

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8. How to start a 6 year old on raw feed?
Posted by: "advocate_tears" carole.m@telus.net advocate_tears
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:42 pm ((PDT))

I did try to feed my dog raw meat and bones when he was a pup (about 8
months old) but he didn't like it. We are vegetarians so after trying
for a coupke of weeks we quit it. I was buying the meat for my dog only
and it was all going to waste. I tried chicken and ground beef.
He has been on what I consider a better commercial food (Fromms) since
then. 10 months ago we acquired a cat and in the process I changed my
dog's food to Orijen (becasue the cat liked the Orijen cat food better)
anyway... now he is having problems - liver enzyme count(AP)is high,
weight gain, less energy, and has had eye and ear infections. A friend
said to try the raw food diet but I am not sure how to start.
Can you please share your tips and tricks with me and my dog?

Carole

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9a. Re: cairn puppy won't eat raw
Posted by: "Howard Salob" itiskismet1968@yahoo.com itiskismet1968
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2007 6:25 pm ((PDT))

Dear Chris O,

My experience is that the most finicky dogs cannot resist green tripe. It is like candy to them, but it is good for them. Other sources besides my experience are www.dogaware.com and www.greentripe.com. I do not sell it, but I buy it every week and think it is a miracle since it made a humongous difference for my dog. I think it helped her immensely.

Sincerely,'

Howard

costrowski75 <Chriso75@AOL.COM> wrote:
Howard Salob <itiskismet1968@...> wrote:
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> try giving green tripe.
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How will that help?
Chris O

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9b. Re: cairn puppy won't eat raw
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2007 9:33 pm ((PDT))

Dave Brown <quahog@...> wrote:
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> Green tripe (i.e. unbleached, lightly washed) is the filet mignon of
> organ meats.
*****
Well maybe not. And it's hardly an organ meat. No question that a
reliable bingo treat is a major score but I don't see the connection
between eating green tripe and eating whole raw foods. Are you saying
that green tripe will convince a reluctant dog to eat whole raw meats,
or are you simply suggesting green tripe as an alternative to not
eating anything?

Perhaps I am simply (and yet again) confused.
Chris O

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10a. new rescue -- has temp of 102
Posted by: "moemahood@aol.com" moemahood@aol.com selfemployedhealth
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2007 8:01 pm ((PDT))

So I got?a new foster today.? She is a little bearded collie mix -- cute as can be with blonde hair and real dark soulful eyes (behind her bangs...). pictures will come tomorrow.

Anyway she has a temp of 102 and everyone is screaming URI! but there are no sypmptoms -- no nasal discharge, no coughing, nothing.....? she ate about a lb of ground deer and beef mixture with some powdered supps (animal essentials herbal multi-vitamin).?

I think that it may be a urinary tract infection as she seems to pee a little more than usual.?

Other than her being underweight and just getting over a flea infestation, and icky tartar, gingivitus teeth there aren't too many other sypmtoms.? Oh and she is whiney and nervous but that is to be expected -- but she did sleep this afternoon and she is laying quietly in her kennel right now.....

Any ideas?

?Maureen G Mahood

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10b. Re: new rescue -- has temp of 102
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2007 8:14 pm ((PDT))

I don't see any problem here...102 is normal for a canine. Let the girl
adjust to her new home...sounds like she's been through a lot!
And get her some nice whole chicken parts to clean those teeth.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: <moemahood@aol.com>

>
> Anyway she has a temp of 102 and everyone is screaming URI! but there are
no sypmptoms -- no nasal discharge, no coughing, nothing.....? she ate about
a lb of ground deer and beef mixture with some powdered supps (animal
essentials herbal multi-vitamin).?
>
> I think that it may be a urinary tract infection as she seems to pee a
little more than usual.?
>
> Other than her being underweight and just getting over a flea infestation,
and icky tartar, gingivitus teeth there aren't too many other sypmtoms.? Oh
and she is whiney and nervous but that is to be expected -- but she did
sleep this afternoon and she is laying quietly in her kennel right now.....

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10c. Re: new rescue -- has temp of 102
Posted by: "Belinda van de Loo" auntielindyloo@yahoo.com belindavandeloo
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2007 8:27 pm ((PDT))

A temp of up to 102 is normal for dogs.
Blessings,
Belinda and "Honey" from Holland

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10d. Re: new rescue -- has temp of 102
Posted by: "Doguefan@aol.com" Doguefan@aol.com knoxkennels
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2007 9:18 pm ((PDT))

***MODERATOR'S NOTE: TRIM YOUR MESSAGES.***

I agree with Sandee, she just sounds a little stressed, but 102 is pretty normal then.? Make sure you also de-worm her a couple times because of the flea infestation.? Maybe try D-earth.

Bless you for taking her in.? :)

Chelsea

-----Original Message-----
From: Sandee Lee <rlee@plix.com>
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 8:12 pm
Subject: Re: [rawfeeding] new rescue -- has temp of 102

I don't see any problem here...102 is normal for a canine. Let the girl
adjust to her new home...sounds like she's been through a lot!
And get her some nice whole chicken parts to clean those teeth.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: <moemahood@aol.com>

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10e. Re: new rescue -- has temp of 102
Posted by: "John and Jeni Blackmon" jonjeni777@sbcglobal.net jeniavidiva
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2007 9:21 pm ((PDT))

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Why on earth is "everyone" screaming URI? A temp of 102 is normal, hence no temp.:) Your dog sounds fine unless there is something else you have left out. She is a rescue with a life she can't tell us about, so she is going to have to adjust to her new surroundings, give her some time, she seems like she needs a little space, give her some, and let her come to you, she will, and give her lots of chicken, she sounds like she needs a few more pounds:)
Thanks for being the blessed one who saved her from a life she is better off without, you are her godsend.
Jeni

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From: "moemahood@aol.com" <moemahood@aol.com>
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 5:47:07 PM
Subject: [rawfeeding] new rescue -- has temp of 102

So I got?a new foster today.? She is a little bearded collie mix -- cute as can be with blonde hair and real dark soulful eyes (behind her bangs...). pictures will come tomorrow.

Anyway she has a temp of 102 and everyone is screaming URI! but there are no sypmptoms -- no nasal discharge, no coughing, nothing..... ? she ate about a lb of ground deer and beef mixture with some powdered supps (animal essentials herbal multi-vitamin) .?

I think that it may be a urinary tract infection as she seems to pee a little more than usual.?

Any ideas?

?Maureen G Mahood

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11a. Re: Worried about a possible blockage?
Posted by: "linoleum5017" linoleum5017@yahoo.com linoleum5017
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2007 9:17 pm ((PDT))

Beth,

Glad to hear your heeler is doing well. One day you'll look back at
all this, (like the rest of us have,) and say, 'Gee, I didn't need to
be so worried...." Your love for your dogs shows through in your
concern. What carries us through in the end is realizing the menu
is 'God-designed,' and ultimately, the results speak for themselves.

>I feed alot of chicken of course and some boneless cuts like ground
> turkey and beef cuts without bones. What beef can I feed with bones?

I'm in agreement w/Sandee and the gang, that beef bones overall are
not ideal, though ribs are the least potentially harmful.

> He is fairly big but can't small bones still get stuck if not
chewed?
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Well, the raw bones are fairly soft, so that makes them ideal for dog
digestion.

>What kinds of RMB's do you most recommend?
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My rule of paw is that if a dog (or dog pack) could down an animal, it
is safe to leave them to the bones. Cattle, bison, giant-type
animals, are not really in this category, so the weight-bearing bones
of them are not ideal. Regarding their meat, however, it is
conceivable to be 'stolen' from larger predators in the wild. In this
case, once the big bones are cleaned by my dog, I remove them, and
treat him with a piece of rawmeat that he prefers.

If you read more from this list, more will become clear.

It turns out to be fairly simple, thankfully,
Lynne

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12a. Tried to feed raw diet today.. NO LUCK
Posted by: "Jenn" jamyers@swampfoxpc.com rdnckgrl83
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2007 9:17 pm ((PDT))

I tried to start my 4 yr old rottie and 1 yr old cat off on the raw
diet today with no luck. We completely pulled up all kibble so my poor
dog is probaly starving. LOL. We tried to give her pigs feet to chew
on and eat with no luck from either the cat or dog. They showed
absolutely no interest. We also gave them 1 oz for the dog and 1/2 oz
for the cat of liver with ABSOLUTELY no luck. I gave in and fed them 1
boneless skinless chicken breast which the dog ate with seemingly no
problem. Any Suggestions? I am trying here with no luck.

Jenn Myers

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12b. Re: Tried to feed raw diet today.. NO LUCK
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2007 9:28 pm ((PDT))

A pig's foot and liver? I can see why they wouldn't go for it! :))

A chicken breast would be a more feasible beginning...with skin and bone.
And be sure the cat eats something even if it's kibble. You cannot let a
cat go without food in order to get them interested.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Jenn" <jamyers@swampfoxpc.com>

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13a. Re: update on Molly - she's home!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: "Trish" trishwelham@hotmail.com trishwelham
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2007 9:19 pm ((PDT))

I just wanted to give an update that Molly came home this morning. It
was such a close call. Had she not been well enough for them to let
her come home today I don't want to think what would've happened. I
really didn't think I'd ever see her in our home again. The vet and
other specialists he spoke to are amazed that she recovered. They also
knocked $500 off our bill b/c they saw how dedicated we were to seeing
her through this illness. We are so grateful.

She is on a prescription diet, which I know you all probably don't
agree with, but right now we are so on edge I think if the vet asked
us to dance a hula while she was eating we would do it.

I still would appreciate hearing any success stories of recovery from
extreme cases of pancreatitis.

Happy to be tripping over Molly again, Trish

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14a. ADMIN/Re: "Treats?"
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sat Sep 15, 2007 9:26 pm ((PDT))

Just a reminder that treat recipes and other how-to discussions are not
appropriate for the Rawfeeding list. Please post all recipes on
RawChat. The "what" and "why" of treats can be discussed on Rawfeeding
as needed. Thanks.
Chris O
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