[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12043

There are 24 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Fishy stuff
From: Dave Brown
1b. Re: Fishy stuff
From: Morledzep@aol.com
1c. Re: Fishy stuff
From: costrowski75
1d. Re: Fishy stuff
From: Dave Brown
1e. Re: Fishy stuff
From: Dave Brown

2a. Whole Fish?
From: Mia-Shay Emery
2b. Re: Whole Fish?
From: Morledzep@aol.com

3a. Re: meant 104
From: moemahood@aol.com

4a. New Dog, New Food
From: Greg Falken
4b. Re: New Dog, New Food
From: costrowski75
4c. Re: New Dog, New Food
From: magolin0328
4d. Re: Where to feed (was: New Dog, New Food)
From: Laurie Swanson
4e. Re: New Dog, New Food
From: Morledzep@aol.com
4f. Re: New Dog, New Food
From: ginny wilken
4g. Re: New Dog, New Food
From: Morledzep@aol.com

5a. Re: maltese puppy wont eat RBM's except chicken necks
From: costrowski75

6a. Just had o share this and a couple ?'s
From: lauraanimal1
6b. Re: Just had o share this and a couple ?'s
From: ginny wilken

7a. NY Times article--If you weren't a believer in raw feeding before .
From: cockatoos4
7b. Re: NY Times article--If you weren't a believer in raw feeding befor
From: Howard Salob

8. I'm new with puppy
From: dancingmommy2002

9a. Re: raw diet and kidney failure
From: Cdandp2@aol.com

10. Newbie thinking about starting
From: caz320ml

11. Newbie starting raw diet this week
From: carolejc2007

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1a. Fishy stuff
Posted by: "Dave Brown" quahog@netnet.net quahogwi
Date: Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:56 pm ((PDT))

Do any of you feed your dogs raw fish? I have found some Tilapia,
gutted and scaled, but still with head, fins, and tails at a
reasonable price. About 1# each. Might it be safe to wack one in
half and feed it to my ESS Maxx?

Dave Brown
Green Bay, WI

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1b. Re: Fishy stuff
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Sun Sep 16, 2007 9:18 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 9/16/2007 7:56:27 PM Pacific Standard Time,
quahog@netnet.net writes:

Do any of you feed your dogs raw fish? I have found some Tilapia,
gutted and scaled, but still with head, fins, and tails at a
reasonable price. About 1# each. Might it be safe to wack one in
half and feed it to my ESS Maxx?

Dave,

anything is possible.. Maxx might like tilapia.. but don't bet the farm on
it. i have dogs that will eat almost any kind of fish you hand them.. except
tilapia.

i also have dogs that will only eat fish under threat of death.. lol.

there is no problem with offering fish as part of a varied diet, but don't
get up in arms about a dog that doesn't want to eat fish, it's one of those
battles that just doesn't need to be fought.

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1c. Re: Fishy stuff
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Sep 16, 2007 9:42 pm ((PDT))

Dave Brown <quahog@...> wrote:
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> Do any of you feed your dogs raw fish?
*****
Yes, many, I'd wager.

I have found some Tilapia,
> gutted and scaled, but still with head, fins, and tails at a
> reasonable price. About 1# each. Might it be safe to wack one in
> half and feed it to my ESS Maxx?
*****
Sure, or not even whacked. However, it seems many dogs do not like
Tilapia, not for love nor money. Buy one fish to try before you invest
heavily.
Chris O

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1d. Re: Fishy stuff
Posted by: "Dave Brown" quahog@netnet.net quahogwi
Date: Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:24 am ((PDT))

Thank you, Catherine. I think I'll give it a try. Maxx loves cod
fish and whatever it is that ends up in fish sandwiches. So I figure
there's more than a fair chance that he'll like the tilapia.

Concerns about fish bones and such are similar as they are for beef
or chicken bones? Namely that if they're raw then their OK, but
steer clear of cooed bones?

Dave

At 11:10 PM 9/16/2007, you wrote:

>anything is possible.. Maxx might like tilapia.. but don't bet the farm on
>it. i have dogs that will eat almost any kind of fish you hand them.. except
>tilapia.
>
>i also have dogs that will only eat fish under threat of death.. lol.
>
>there is no problem with offering fish as part of a varied diet, but don't
>get up in arms about a dog that doesn't want to eat fish, it's one of those
>battles that just doesn't need to be fought.
>
>Catherine R.

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1e. Re: Fishy stuff
Posted by: "Dave Brown" quahog@netnet.net quahogwi
Date: Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:24 am ((PDT))

At 11:40 PM 9/16/2007, you wrote:
>Sure, or not even whacked. However, it seems many dogs do not like
>Tilapia, not for love nor money. Buy one fish to try before you invest
>heavily.
>Chris O

A good piece of advice on buying just one at first. Thanks.

Dave Brown
Green Bay, WI

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2a. Whole Fish?
Posted by: "Mia-Shay Emery" briarbaby_04@yahoo.com briarbaby_04
Date: Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:56 pm ((PDT))

Hi!
The word is out that I'm feeding raw and a friend brought by a trout that he'd caught yesterday and froze, is it ok to give the whole thing to Zachary and should I thaw it first or let him have it as is?
Thanks,
Mia

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2b. Re: Whole Fish?
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Sun Sep 16, 2007 9:21 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 9/16/2007 7:57:12 PM Pacific Standard Time,
briarbaby_04@yahoo.com writes:

The word is out that I'm feeding raw and a friend brought by a trout that
he'd caught yesterday and froze, is it ok to give the whole thing to Zachary and
should I thaw it first or let him have it as is?

Mia,

YES.. trout is yummy stuff. And it's obviously been frozen solid already, so
no worries about where i was caught..

Catherine R.

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3a. Re: meant 104
Posted by: "moemahood@aol.com" moemahood@aol.com selfemployedhealth
Date: Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:57 pm ((PDT))

The panting is a concern, does she do it all the time? And I know you let her know where the water is, and is she drinking? You have seen her take water?
So it's not blout, she is eating and the food doesn't come back up. Is it unusually hot where you are? Is she from a completely different local from you? That could be the panting, not used to the heat?

Thanks Jeni and all who have posted.? She is doing better this afternoon and actually played a bit.? She is drinking and peeing fine -- and she has decided that she is starving.....well she really is starving, but she has decided that ground beef and deer is good stuff -- although I couldn't get her to eat a beef rib, I'll try again tomorrow.? I'm noticing a pattern on her panting -- when she is stressed is when it is worse.?

We just got a litter of puppies to foster today, (when it rains it pours).? So now I have my two (beagle and bc collie mix), a little beardie mix, a momma lab mix and her 6 lab/shep mix puppies that are about six weeks old.? I am weaning them onto raw and some are conjested and probably have kennel cough.? I am hoping that the switch in food and environment will help them get over the kennel cough on their own.....Momma is underweight so I am going to try to fatten her up -- I think I will feed her atleast 3 times a day, whenever I feed the pups.? The pups are still nursing a little but they went wild over the meat....little stinkers.

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4a. New Dog, New Food
Posted by: "Greg Falken" yahoo@falken.name gfalken
Date: Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:58 pm ((PDT))

Hi All,

In five days, we'll be adopting a young (~1 year old) rescue Corgi.
The woman that we're getting him from suggested a number of feeding
alternatives, including raw food, which she feeds her own Corgis. Her
description of raw food includes cooked oatmeal and yogurt, which I
now know isn't considered appropriate or necessary by many, including
this group. We agreed that she would go ahead and get him started on
this diet, so that any intestinal upset could take place on the
concrete floor of her kennel.

Through my reading on the subject, I discovered Dr. Tom Lonsdale and
the Raw Meaty Bones diet. The simplicity and economy of this diet
appeals to my wife and me very much but we're just so new to these
concepts that it's hard to feel like we're making an informed
decision. We're pretty sure though that we will be switching Keeper to
this diet once we bring him home.

One of the many things that we don't have a clear picture of is where
to feed and how messy it will be. We don't have a fenced yard, so the
only outside area available is a deck. I wouldn't want food remains to
attract insects, or other animals for that matter. Feeding on the deck
will also be impractical during the winter, when it snows.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

-Greg

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4b. Re: New Dog, New Food
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Sep 16, 2007 10:03 pm ((PDT))

"Greg Falken" <yahoo@...> wrote:
> One of the many things that we don't have a clear picture of is where
> to feed and how messy it will be.
*****
A good raw diet doesn't have to be messy. My dogs can be messy (though
they hardly ever are) when they eat in the yard; inside they have to
stay put on cheapy vinyl tableclothes. I generally feed pups in a
crate or x-pen and both are easily cleaned, usually by the pup itself.

so the
> only outside area available is a deck.
*****
Wood decks may stain from fat or juices. I recommend you put down a
section of flooring vinyl (or perhaps something less fumey) to protect
the wood. It may be easier to feed in the kitchen or bathroom.

I wouldn't want food remains to
> attract insects, or other animals for that matter.
*****
The food is likely to attract flying annoyances but once the food is
gone the insects will be, too. Since the food will either be eaten by
the dog or collected up by the human, there's not much draw for
visiting critters. It is not recommended that you leave uneaten food
laying about.

Feeding on the deck
> will also be impractical during the winter, when it snows.
*****
Feed outside when weather permits; feed inside otherwise. Raw diets
are nothing if not flexible.
Chris O

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4c. Re: New Dog, New Food
Posted by: "magolin0328" maggie.taylor@artlover.com magolin0328
Date: Sun Sep 16, 2007 11:15 pm ((PDT))

Diesel and Apollo both eat on the living room floor. Their pans are
put down in the kitchen, but they usually get pulled into the living
room. They don't make that much of a mess. Any mess they do make is
easily cleaned up with a bit of OxyClean. Some people have taught the
dogs to eat on something that is easily laundered like a towel or a
table cloth that can be wiped down. I just don't find it worth it to
train them to do that. Its easier just to walk around and spray a bit
of OxyClean after meals.

Maggie

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4d. Re: Where to feed (was: New Dog, New Food)
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Sun Sep 16, 2007 11:15 pm ((PDT))

Hi Greg,

Congrats on your new addition!

You can feed anywhere--on the kitchen floor, with or without a towel,
with or without a baby gate; in the living room with a towel,
blanket, bath rug, or washable vinyl tablecloth or shower curtain; in
a crate or pen (make sure it's big enough for him to tackle his food
and move around a bit).

I feed my dog on a big towel in the living room. He often needs room
to turn his food around, get to all sides of it, flip it over, and
work on it. We taught him to keep his food on the towel by putting
the food on it, letting him eat, and when he removed it from the
towel, we picked it up and put it back on, saying, "Keep it on your
rug." Of course, you can use any command you want, and a command
probably isn't necessary. He got the idea pretty quickly as to what
we wanted and learned that he could eat in peace if he kept it
there. Especially with a new rescue, I'd make sure to be very casual
about it so he is comfortable that you aren't trying to take his food
away and doesn't get stressed out.

I don't find it to be messy. I just wash the towel after a few days
or so when it needs it.

But if you want to feed outside when weather permits, you could use
any of the same suggestions for on your deck.

Good luck,

Laurie

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where
> to feed and how messy it will be. We don't have a fenced yard, so
the
> only outside area available is a deck. I wouldn't want food remains
to
> attract insects, or other animals for that matter. Feeding on the
deck
> will also be impractical during the winter, when it snows.
>

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4e. Re: New Dog, New Food
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:21 am ((PDT))

In a message dated 9/16/2007 10:15:37 PM Pacific Standard Time,
maggie.taylor@artlover.com writes:

Any mess they do make is easily cleaned up with a bit of OxyClean.

***instead of Oxyclean that i believe could be toxic.. or at the very least,
not good for dogs.. i personally use vinegar/water mixture in a spray bottle.

i use vinegar/water mixture to clean almost everything, even my laundry (with
a couple tablespoons of laundry detergent and 1 cup of baking soda). the
aquariums, the counters, the floors, the inside of my fridge, all i do is spray
and wipe it down.

nothing toxic, nothing artificial, and i don't have to deal with the annoying
hoax emails telling me that fabreeze will kill my dogs.. lol.

Catherine R.

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4f. Re: New Dog, New Food
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:35 am ((PDT))

On Sep 17, 2007, at 12:13 AM, Morledzep@aol.com wrote:

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> ***instead of Oxyclean that i believe could be toxic.. or at the
> very least,
> not good for dogs..

I have no problem with vinegar, but wanted to say that Oxiclean is
completely used up in the oxidation process. There's no residue, nor
is the cleaning process dangerous. I think these sorts of products
are really great!

ginny and Tomo

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4g. Re: New Dog, New Food
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:28 am ((PDT))

In a message dated 9/16/2007 11:35:44 PM Pacific Standard Time,
gwilken@alamedanet.net writes:

I have no problem with vinegar, but wanted to say that Oxiclean is
completely used up in the oxidation process. There's no residue, nor
is the cleaning process dangerous. I think these sorts of products
are really great!

Ginny,

I've never read the label.. i just have a deep distrust of big companies and
slick salesmen.. And most cleaning product manufacturers in general.. lol.

i have used Oxyclean.. but only on my work clothes because the vinegar and
baking soda just don't get the grease stains out. i've never used it on anything
the dogs would sleep on or lick..

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5a. Re: maltese puppy wont eat RBM's except chicken necks
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Sep 16, 2007 9:39 pm ((PDT))

"gary44deb" <gary44deb@...> wrote:
She eats
> all the meat but wont eat any of the bone unless it is a chicken
neck.
> I also gave her some chicken livers and chicken hearts. Should I
worry
> that she is not eating any bone except chicken neck bones?
*****
Debbie, there probably are other bones that your girl will eat (if not
right off, eventually). Chicken ribs are easy peasy, and if you browse
the archives you'll find many tiny dogs that bust through game hen
parts and some pork bones and even have fun with beef ribs and
other "tougher" bones. She might not be there yet, but you should not
quit trying. Quail is also very easy; you should be able to find them
in four or six packs at not totally startling prices in Asian markets.

But for now and until she can tackle other bones, as long as you are
feeding plenty of meat with the necks, she should be okay. This is a
really good time for you to introduce meat variety. Besides beef,
consider pork and lamb and turkey and--really--most anything you can
find. Heart can be fed as "meat"; liver should be doled out sparingly.
Chris O

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6a. Just had o share this and a couple ?'s
Posted by: "lauraanimal1" lauraanimal1@yahoo.com lauraanimal1
Date: Sun Sep 16, 2007 11:17 pm ((PDT))

Hi everyone,

ok I went out to the meat processors and got 2 antilope carcasses
(sp?) some leg and foot bones that had a lot of meat still left on
them , about 10 lbs in other meat scraps and a antilope head.
Now I made a mistake because I had not switched her back to raw as
of yet, I wanted to get a good stock before i did, but she didnt
wait for me , normaly I know you start off on chicken and slowly add
a different meat or organ every week or more after they are used to
the chicken and depending on the way there body accepts it. Now can
it be sometehing else besides chicken, like the antilope? And go
from there? sinces she has been on raaw before will that make a
diff when it comes to switching her again? I think she has made her
mind up for me though.....

so heres the story:

As I get everything unloaded from my car, I set it all out back so I
can "process" it my way. Now Ishta has never seen or smelled or
eaten antilope before, so I lay the head out there and she sees it,
starts growling and barking at it from 10 feet away (some big brave
rottie she is...lol) so I wanted to see how she reacted to it so I
didnt stop her, I just watched letting her natural instincts kick
in, she slowly build up her nerve to bite at it, but only touching
the tips of the hair at where it was cut off at. eventualy over a
couple hours she has built up enough nerve to bite it and toss it.
after that, it was on......she killed it and killed it over and over
again. after about 4 hours of this I bring her inside, she instantly
wants back out so she can kill her head again. (she liked killing
her head) I told her, her head was dead, but she didnt believe me
she was insistant she have to kill it some more. so I gave in and
let her go kill her head dead some more. finaly around 10pm last
night
(this started around 2 pm) she decided she killed it dead enough to
eat some of the neck meat. She ate a good 2-3 pounds of meat off it
and then she came in to pass out. this morning she was ready to go
out and kill it again, and she did over and over again. but today
didnt take her as long as it did last night. she has now chewed off
the ears, and has figured out that she can "crunch" the bones in the
nose area, so she is chewing on the face, but not enough to "eat" it
yet. now she wants to bury it, so i let her, she buries it, lets it
alone for a nap, then goes dig it up and kills it some more, and
then eats some of the neck meat, and then chews on it , kills it
some more and then buries it again. She refuses to give her head
up!!!!!! If i try and take it and put it up or bring her in from it
she wants nothing other then to go back out to it. I tried taking it
and putting it up when she was asleep, that didnt work she woke up
and wanted her head,
She is a VERY WELL BEHAVED dog and never have i seen her this
obsessed with
anything. She isnt mean or angry when you take it away and a child
can come up to her and take it from her, she would however whine
wanting it back. and not let up till she had it again,

so thats that story.

Question.... although in the pics you see the "bodies", those i cut
up in big chunks and froze, but the "meat" scraps (not in the pics)
are from about a good pound in size to a small stew meat sized
piece, how would you suggest i feed it to her? I was thinking
antilopecycles for the small stuff? what do you think? also, some of
the meat scraps are mixed, meaning there is elk, and antilope all
mixed together, is that a realy bad idea to feed it to her? I cant
seperate it, it comes to me like that so i dont know whats what in
the scrap meat area.

Next i would like to show you guys some pictures of what I got and
ishta killing her head(she just wont believe me that its dead)...lol
so here are several links showing what i got, as well as ishta
killing her head dead. tell me what you think....Oh yea i picked up
an elk head today along with about 20 lbs of scrap meat. I wonder
how she will handle the elk head when i dethaw it later and she sees
it, its as big as she is.

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc44/lauraanimal1/freemeat002.jpg

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc44/lauraanimal1/freemeat005.jpg

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc44/lauraanimal1/freemeat022.jpg

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc44/lauraanimal1/freemeat027.jpg

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc44/lauraanimal1/freemeat044.jpg

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc44/lauraanimal1/freemeat054.jpg

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc44/lauraanimal1/freemeat068.jpg

I hope these links work

TIA everyone,
Laura and Ishta

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6b. Re: Just had o share this and a couple ?'s
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:00 am ((PDT))

On Sep 16, 2007, at 10:50 PM, lauraanimal1 wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> ok I went out to the meat processors and got 2 antilope carcasses

Oh, wow! What a great story - and you tell it so well!

And the links worked fine; that's one happy pup there. You are now
the Meat Goddess, for sure. It's wonderful that she is being so nice
with you about it; you raised her right.

ginny and Tomo, who eats calf heads without killing them first

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7a. NY Times article--If you weren't a believer in raw feeding before .
Posted by: "cockatoos4" cockatoos4@yahoo.com cockatoos4
Date: Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:45 am ((PDT))

Appearing in the September 2 New York Times Magazine was an article
titled "They Eat What We Are" about pet nutrition and the scientific
research that goes into providing the American public with
manaufactured pet food.

I'm new to raw feeding, but I believe it is the best thing I can do for
my dog (I have an elderly Rottie cross female dog whom I adopted from a
shelter a year ago). If I wasn't convinced of the benefits of raw
feeding before, this article might have made a believer out of me.

http://www.blueridgenow.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007709020409

Gemma Dehnbostel

(There was difficulty accessing the entire article on the NYTimes Web
site, so I retrieved the link a roundabout way. I apologize if the link
doesn't work.)

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7b. Re: NY Times article--If you weren't a believer in raw feeding befor
Posted by: "Howard Salob" itiskismet1968@yahoo.com itiskismet1968
Date: Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:08 am ((PDT))

Dear Gemma,

What an awesome article. Thank you for taking the time to post this.

Sincerely,

Howard

cockatoos4 <cockatoos4@yahoo.com> wrote:
Appearing in the September 2 New York Times Magazine was an article
titled "They Eat What We Are" about pet nutrition and the scientific
research that goes into providing the American public with
manaufactured pet food.

I'm new to raw feeding, but I believe it is the best thing I can do for
my dog (I have an elderly Rottie cross female dog whom I adopted from a
shelter a year ago). If I wasn't convinced of the benefits of raw
feeding before, this article might have made a believer out of me.

http://www.blueridgenow.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007709020409

Gemma Dehnbostel

(There was difficulty accessing the entire article on the NYTimes Web
site, so I retrieved the link a roundabout way. I apologize if the link
doesn't work.)

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8. I'm new with puppy
Posted by: "dancingmommy2002" dancingmommy@sbcglobal.net dancingmommy2002
Date: Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:47 am ((PDT))

Hi There,

I am new to this group and am here to learn. I have a terrier mix
that I have been feeding raw for 3 years now. He has a mainly
chicken diet, because that is what I can easily pick up at the store
for a good price. I throw in some beef heart, when I can get it and
try to get some chicken gizzards, liver & hearts in there too. He
has allergies that tend to be made worse anytime I give him pork - so
that has been mostly off the menu. I do get hamburger too. I don't
have a large freezer, so I haven't joined a co-op to get a larger and
more varied diet. My question is - is this enough? Is his diet
varied enough?

Now, for the new puppy. We will be picking up a new Assie puppy
tomorrow to add to our family. How do I transition him to meat? How
much do I give him, and how often? He is 16 weeks old. Is the
current diet that I am giving my terrier good for him too? Just in
larger quantities?

I want to be a good mommy, but am scared to death that I am going to
mess this up! :)

Thanks in advance!
Susan

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9a. Re: raw diet and kidney failure
Posted by: "Cdandp2@aol.com" Cdandp2@aol.com cdandp
Date: Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:50 am ((PDT))

Well, just a reminder that Wysong has it's agenda as well. Please go to
K9KidneyDiet at Yahoo groups for more balanced information about kidney failure
and how to best manage it nutrionally and otherwise. These folk have all
been there and they have everything you'll need, including open-mindedness
regarding raw and no proselytizing or criticizing. Just honest, firm, sharing of
suggestions based on lots of experience and up-to-date research regarding
kidney failure and it's many ramifications.

Well wishes to anyone who has to deal with this. It's not easy or pretty,
but there IS hope beyond K/D.

Carol for Spencer and the p-angel and all her angel buddies

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10. Newbie thinking about starting
Posted by: "caz320ml" caz320ml@yahoo.com caz320ml
Date: Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:22 am ((PDT))

Hi I have just joined the group, I have been thinking about raw
feeding for some time and have bought 2 books, Work Wonders and raw
meaty bones.

A couple of things I am unsure of:

My dogs are Boxers one 7 who has a narrowing of his spine and
suffers with ear problems on and off. He will eat a bone but only
when meaty.

The second is 11 and has CDRM, she gets about in a wheelchair and is
very healthy and active except she can't stand up. She loves bones
and spends a long time chewing them, despite the fact that she has
hardly any front teeth.

I know the diet will not cure them but hope I will see some
improvements. They currently eat a fish and rice diet half and half
with ground tripe and an occssional bone.

Being in the UK how do I get hold of the raw food?
If I go to a butcher etc what do I ask for?
How do I change over, I have read where you say do straight away,
but any tummy problems with Bonnie with CDRM could be a problem
What if they don't eat it, Londo the youngest is very picky and a
little thin.

Sorry if these are already answered, I am just a little unsure.

Regards
Caroline, Bonnie and Londo

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11. Newbie starting raw diet this week
Posted by: "carolejc2007" mooska2me@sbcglobal.net carolejc2007
Date: Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:51 am ((PDT))

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Hi all. I have learned so much from reading this and other sites.
Thanks so much! I'm starting my 2 Greyhounds and 2 Italian Grey's on
the raw meat diet this week and I have a question. I know you should
feed 2-3% of their body weight (or ideal body weight) but is this 2-3%
per day or 2-3% per meal? Probably a silly question but as a teacher
once told me no question is silly if you don't know the answer.

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