[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12053

There are 21 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. First Day on Raw
From: Renate
1b. Re: First Day on Raw
From: Giselle

2a. Re: milk-replacer in litter of Cavalier King Charles Spaniels
From: Tina Berry
2b. Re: milk-replacer in litter of Cavalier King Charles Spaniels
From: Caren OConnor
2c. milk-replacer in litter of Cavalier King Charles Spaniels
From: Michael Moore

3a. Re: some tartar on his teeth
From: vickies_28
3b. Re: some tartar on his teeth
From: Yasuko herron

4a. Re: Suggestions for a dog who HATES beef liver!
From: Giselle
4b. Re: Suggestions for a dog who HATES beef liver!
From: Bumble1994@aol.com

5a. Re: Why don't vets recommend raw food?
From: fairefli

6. Lefty's possible blockage
From: rosielefty

7a. First day
From: abeautiful3

8. Feeding schedule
From: abeautiful3

9a. Species of tripe
From: girlndocs
9b. Re: Species of tripe
From: Sandee Lee

10a. Houston meat suppliers - Anyone have suggestions?
From: kaebruney
10b. Re: Houston meat suppliers - Anyone have suggestions?
From: marblekallie

11a. Re: I think my puppy is allergic to chicken -getting desperate-
From: one_sojourner_one

12. Fasting a 7 mo old pup?
From: Kendra

13. Flosing Zone
From: lauraanimal1

14. Pet Food Recall (BRAVO)
From: doguenanny

Messages
________________________________________________________________________

1a. First Day on Raw
Posted by: "Renate" renate.tideswell@gmail.com tideswell_renate
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:25 pm ((PDT))

You guys are probably sick of this first day stuff. But I am so chuffed.
Jake gobbled both chicken quarter meals no problem. Loved it all. Bella
(shih tzu) took a while to figure out how to get hold of it but knew she
wanted it, so she ate about half of hers, figured out how to crunch up the
leg bone, which actually is about right for her weight. She was not happy
that I took it away, but I don't want any of those loose cannons in my bed
tonight LOL. Frodo (also shih tzu, but a rescue) is having a tougher time.
He's nibbling at the meaty bits and dragging it through the mud, but he has
a definite interest, so by tomorrow, he may be all in. I am so happy I am
able to do this for my guys. My next foster is going on it too, though the
2 I have at the moment have just had major diet adjustments, so I think I'll
just let them go to their adoptive homes on kibble. I am so grateful for
you guys and all the knowledge and Giselle for you're push. I needed it.
Jake is 10yo and I have never seen him actually enjoy a meal until today.
He ate, but didn't really care about it. This was so different for him,
it's wonderful. Thank you all.

--
Renate
'The more I learn about men, the more I love my Shih Tzu'

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Messages in this topic (6)
________________________________________________________________________

1b. Re: First Day on Raw
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:30 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Renate!
Kewl!
I'm going at being pushy..... ^_^

Keep us posted!
TC
Giselle

> You guys are probably sick of this first day stuff. But I am so
chuffed.
> Jake gobbled both chicken quarter meals no problem. Loved it all.
<snip>
I am so grateful for
> you guys and all the knowledge and Giselle for you're push. I
needed it.
> Jake is 10yo and I have never seen him actually enjoy a meal until
today.
> He ate, but didn't really care about it. This was so different for him,
> it's wonderful. Thank you all.
>
> --
> Renate
> 'The more I learn about men, the more I love my Shih Tzu'

Messages in this topic (6)
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

2a. Re: milk-replacer in litter of Cavalier King Charles Spaniels
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:25 pm ((PDT))

"Maybe I just want to keep them babies longer:)"

They are definitely not babies for long. Enjoy!
--
Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Messages in this topic (22)
________________________________________________________________________

2b. Re: milk-replacer in litter of Cavalier King Charles Spaniels
Posted by: "Caren OConnor" cavkist@yahoo.com cavkist
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:36 pm ((PDT))

I know. They are babies far too short a period of time! I wanted them to grow, grow, grow and now I want them to stay suspended in this time! Silly, isn't it! Didn't think I could/would go there but I did. Human nature is a funny thing:)
It's no more milk after tonight and I'm sad about that! My little babies are growin' up:)
Thanks, Tina, for responding:)
Caren O'Connor
Nansemond Cavaliers

Tina Berry <k9baron@gmail.com> wrote:
"Maybe I just want to keep them babies longer:)"

They are definitely not babies for long. Enjoy!
--
Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

---------------------------------
Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows.
Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Messages in this topic (22)
________________________________________________________________________

2c. milk-replacer in litter of Cavalier King Charles Spaniels
Posted by: "Michael Moore" m-tak@sbcglobal.net annemoore2000
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:31 pm ((PDT))

>>I have a litter of Cavaliers who will be 7 weeks old tomorrow. I have been weaning them from their mommy and supplementing with a milk-replacer. I decreased their nursing capability - removed mommy gradually - and began feeding raw at about 4.5 weeks.
My question is - May I now stop the milk replacer and just have them drink water with the raw food?
And, I'm not sure why I used milk replacer. Does everyone do this with their litters?<<

I did not use any milk replacer with my Pembroke puppies, and I had a litter of nine! Even before I "saw the light" and went to raw, I always discontinued milk replacer by 7 wks. of age. And, I also did not use any ground meats whatsoever, starting my pups at about 5 wks. with bone-in chicken breasts, ribboned so they could easily grab hold of the meat. Worked great for these guys. Just my .02 worth.

-- Anne Moore (M-Tak PWC and one goofy GSD rescue and a silly Golden rescue) in NW Ohio

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Messages in this topic (22)
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

3a. Re: some tartar on his teeth
Posted by: "vickies_28" vickies_28@yahoo.com vickies_28
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:26 pm ((PDT))

What exactly do you mean by that? sink into? Can you give some
examples? The more - the better. I am trying to avoid this problem to
begin with, I have a pup, but I had an older dog before and I know what
this yellow thing on their teeth is all about. So give some more
examples please if you can.
Also, you say give bigger parts. Well, my dog is not small by any
means, but when I give him a huge turkey part (wing and whatever is
attached to it, looked huge), he wouldn't finish it. I wasn't sure was
it because he got full or because he just got tired of eating this big
enormous piece that he couldn't completely crush.
Would a dog that weighs 50 lbs normally be able to eat turkey parts?

Thank you
Vickie and basset hound Grisha

And for cleaner
> canine teeth, the dogs need to be fed meals they literally can sink
> their teeth into.
>
> Chris O
>

Messages in this topic (5)
________________________________________________________________________

3b. Re: some tartar on his teeth
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:30 pm ((PDT))

>Would a dog that weighs 50 lbs normally be able to eat turkey parts?

Hi.I have 35lb Corgi but she has no prob with Turkey and,crunch bone good and eat it.

"Teeth sink into" the phrase Chris meant by is,what I interprete as something dog needs to hold meat with both paws and bit into and rip using canine teeth not like eating just with side molar teeth.

If you feed Roast meat or Pork butt meat,something big or rib slabs are the things that dog probably needs to hold meat on to to get tasty bits out from the hunk.

Pork feet,Cow hooves are good work out as well.

The cow hooves that I got from hare today in PA has still fur around andthose,what Chris might have meant by fur hide etc etc (fross like role) but it really like she needs to hold onto and rip through fur around .She worked on it 2 hours but ate it 6oz only. Thatday,shewas so tired andit was so quiet day:-P

Next day,her poo was like some had bunch of pricked fur-like and it was real wiered poo,but shedefinitely enjoyed that.

yassy

---------------------------------
Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today!

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Messages in this topic (5)
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

4a. Re: Suggestions for a dog who HATES beef liver!
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:59 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Steph!
Well, there's liver, and then there's liver - have you tried
chicken livers? Or turkey? Or pork? Or feeding whole rabbits or other
small critters intact?
http://www.rodentpro.com/products.asp
http://www.hare-today.com/index.php?cPath=23

You could go the teensy bits route, and just drop a couple dribs on a
regular portion when you feed her.

It doesn't matter how much or how often or what type of liver it is,
just as long as it gets inside her.

You could drop some bits into very warm water, and let it 'cook' a
little before giving it to her. Or, use the bits as treats!

Um, mixing small pieces of liver in with leftover spaghetti sauce
often works, or mashed up with canned sardines, mackerel or salmon. Or
cheez whiz. Or leftover gravy. Just see what's in the fridge or
cupboard that she'll do a happy dance for. You can mix pieces of liver
with anything she likes, really. Its OK. ^_^

Just put whatever liver luvvin' mixture you've prepared down before a
meal, let her eat it up, then get the rest of the meal out of the
fridge for her. Where do you usually give her snacks or maybe sneak
bites of yummy stuff to her? The living room couch, the kitchen/dining
room table, sitting at the computer? Is she used to getting scraps
when you scrape the dinner plates after a meal? Take advantage of the
yummy associations that getting food in those places might have for
her - offer her a liver snack while you're having a meal or a snack
yourself.
TC
Giselle

> Well, I had read that they need 10% organs per week, and that 5% of
> that should be liver
<snip>
> -Steph
> Scarlet, Lucy and Minkey (the kitty)

Messages in this topic (19)
________________________________________________________________________

4b. Re: Suggestions for a dog who HATES beef liver!
Posted by: "Bumble1994@aol.com" Bumble1994@aol.com bumble1994
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:29 pm ((PDT))

Try her with liver from other animals. Nobody said she has to eat BEEF
liver. :)

Lynda

************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Messages in this topic (19)
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

5a. Re: Why don't vets recommend raw food?
Posted by: "fairefli" mommyrn@mac.com fairefli
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:29 pm ((PDT))

All I can tell you is my expierence. I had a doxie. My sister next
door has 2. They play together and have about the same
schedule/activity level. I feed mine raw, she feeds kible. I never
told my vet I feed my dog raw, at least not for the longest time.
My sister kept telling me my dog was to skinny and why wasn't I
feeding her better dog food? Then came the real shocker. We went
to the vet together. (We go to the same one but not usually at the
same appointment) The vet made it very clear who's dog was healthy
and who's was not. My appoinment took 5 mins. My sister's? Well
after the 20 minute lecture about how her 15lbs dog is suppose to be
closer to 12 lbs and didn't she know that kind of weight gain was
not good for a dog, the vet started in on the lecture about the
littler dog. Seems my sister was keeping their coat healthy looking
by putting oil on the outside of it. My dog's coat looked like that
from the food that went in her. I walked out with a "nice job", she
walked out with hair oil, dental cavity prevention, some supplement
to try to make their fur better from the inside, more expensive
kibble and a huge bill! Somewhere in the middle of all this the vet
asked me what I was feeding and instead of my typical "dog food"
reply I told him "I feed her raw and she loves it". After the
shocked look faded from his face he asked me if I had always done
this and I said yes. That was that. He didn't say another word. I
don't think he knew what to say. Raw feeding isn't very popular
here in Nebraska. I don't know that he has ever see a raw feed
dog. Now he has seen 2 (I have 2 dogs now) and he seems to be ok
with that.

Chy

Just remember, there is a certain amount of gut instict that comes
with raising our babies (2 and 4 legged). Don't let someone make
your mind up for you. Read what's out there and then follow what
your gut tells you. If your vet doesn't like your choice (whether
it be type of kibble or raw) change vets.

Messages in this topic (22)
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

6. Lefty's possible blockage
Posted by: "rosielefty" rosielefty@yahoo.com rosielefty
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:29 pm ((PDT))

Hi Everyone,
I am sorry I didn't get back sooner. Started a new job and it is
fairly tiring. Anyway, both dogs doing much better. I still have
trouble with some diarrhea now and then but I think I am getting the
hang of it. I wanted to thank all of you who responded. It really
really makes a difference. I almost gave up out of fear. Thank you so
much you are all wounderful! Beth

Messages in this topic (1)
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

7a. First day
Posted by: "abeautiful3" abeautiful3@yahoo.com abeautiful3
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:29 pm ((PDT))

I also started my AB on raw chicken today it is something to see them
enjoy their food.

My girl which is 2yrs only wanted to eat one meal do you think she was
full or just getting use to the raw meat?

My cocker poo on the other hand looked at the meat for a while and
would not eat so I remembered someone in the group saying to cut slits
in the meat to bring out the aroma, I also tried the parmeson cheese
and between the to he ate quite a bit.

Arlene

Messages in this topic (6)
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

8. Feeding schedule
Posted by: "abeautiful3" abeautiful3@yahoo.com abeautiful3
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:29 pm ((PDT))

One thing that I am concerned about is their feeding schedule when I
feed them kibble I would feed them early in the morning before I would
have to leave for work. I do not think that I will have time in the
morning to feed them seprately and keep an eye on them.

Do you think this will throw there system off to much?

Arlene

Arlene

Messages in this topic (1)
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

9a. Species of tripe
Posted by: "girlndocs" girlndocs@hotmail.com girlndocs
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:29 pm ((PDT))

Has anyone fed tripe/stomach from goat or lamb? I have an offer for
the butchering discards of two lambs (yay!) and I can only assume it
will include the stomachs. I can't think of how it would be any less
good than cow stomach. Right? Anything I should know?

Thanks,

Kristin

Messages in this topic (2)
________________________________________________________________________

9b. Re: Species of tripe
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:43 pm ((PDT))

Kristin,

It's all good...get whatever you can! :)

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "girlndocs" <girlndocs@hotmail.com>

Has anyone fed tripe/stomach from goat or lamb? I have an offer for
the butchering discards of two lambs (yay!) and I can only assume it
will include the stomachs. I can't think of how it would be any less
good than cow stomach. Right? Anything I should know?

Messages in this topic (2)
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

10a. Houston meat suppliers - Anyone have suggestions?
Posted by: "kaebruney" kaebruney@yahoo.com kaebruney
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2007 9:33 pm ((PDT))

Hey everyone,

After reading so much on this board about buying more whole meats and
if possible whole carcasses, I was wondering if anyone in Houston or
the SE Texas area had a reliable supplier they buy from?

I would love to be able to offer my dogs goat, lamb or duck but can''t
find bulk suppliers. Currently I just pick up whole chickens, pork
ribs, shoulders, hearts, livers, etc from the local store (Fiesta,
HEB, Food Town and sometimes Bones2Go, but buying from the grocery
store isn't economical. Plus I miss all the good stuff like trachea,
deer meat and all the other cool bits. Now that n I have a freezer
just waiting to be filled, I want to fill it up!

Does anyone in Houston get their orders in bulk? Cases of hearts, etc?
Where do you order from or go to pick up?

Also, I would LOVE to get an animal head or two for my dogs to have at
it. Where does one find such things in the big city???

Thanks for all the help.

Kae

p.s - I tried searching through the history first but didn't find what
I'm looking for.

p.s.s.- I've been to Bones2Go

Messages in this topic (2)
________________________________________________________________________

10b. Re: Houston meat suppliers - Anyone have suggestions?
Posted by: "marblekallie" marble@pipeline.com marblekallie
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 2:38 am ((PDT))

Hi:

Have you tried the Carnivorefeedsupplier list? If you join it, you
can post your needs and you will get answers and even perhaps some
offers.

Philippa Jordan
New York City

I was wondering if anyone in Houston or
> the SE Texas area had a reliable supplier they buy from?

Messages in this topic (2)
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

11a. Re: I think my puppy is allergic to chicken -getting desperate-
Posted by: "one_sojourner_one" onesojourner@gmail.com one_sojourner_one
Date: Thu Sep 20, 2007 9:33 pm ((PDT))

alright we tried beef tonight and the little guy inhaled it. We gave
him a pretty decent steak I had frozen. Obviously I can't feed him 4
bucks worth of meet every time so can any one suggest some cheaper
options. I have read that pork should be frozen for at least a month
before it is fed. If chicken is out I don't know where I am going to
get my bones from.

-peter

Messages in this topic (5)
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

12. Fasting a 7 mo old pup?
Posted by: "Kendra" kborland@ptd.net knkbor
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 2:38 am ((PDT))

Montana is gaining weight a little too fast maybe. I chalk it up to
him being a "growing boy". But recently it has been pointed out to me
that he may have a bit too much fat on his ribs.
Today he ate far too much. (stole some of Sasha's food.) He'd eat 24/7
if I let him. YOu know how it is... "Mom, isn't there anything I can
eat? Look at me! I'm starving here!"

I'm wondering if it would be ok to fast him for a day every once in
awhile? (like tomorrow) or is he still to young?
He's about 65 lbs. A fairly large Airedale at 7 months.
Thanks,
Kendra

Messages in this topic (1)
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

13. Flosing Zone
Posted by: "lauraanimal1" lauraanimal1@yahoo.com lauraanimal1
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 2:39 am ((PDT))

Have a few questions and soemthing to share.
In some of the othere recient posts there was mention of tarter on
the canines,my question is once given the proper diet that will
provide what she needs to clean of the tarter, how long does it
usualy take? Also on wreck bones, when is ok and not ok? right now
along with the other I am geting I get elk, antilope and deer
shoulder blades and front leg bones that are still attached and has
a lot of meat and tendons left on them. there is also a lot of
cartlegde (sp?) on the shoulder blade, are these ok to feed as long
as I take them up after she eats the meat and tentdons off them?

Here is 3 links to video of her eating the antilope head she got and
it shows great flossing action!!! Also to those who responded to my
other posts, thanks you for you coments and advice, it has
helped@!!!!

http://s218.photobucket.com/albums/cc44/lauraanimal1/?
action=view&current=head017.flv

http://s218.photobucket.com/albums/cc44/lauraanimal1/?
action=view&current=head016.flv

http://s218.photobucket.com/albums/cc44/lauraanimal1/?
action=view&current=head015.flv

Happy raw feeding everyone!!!!

Laura and a very happy Ishta

Messages in this topic (1)
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

14. Pet Food Recall (BRAVO)
Posted by: "doguenanny" Dixie4911@aol.com doguenanny
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 4:21 am ((PDT))

Let me start off by saying I don't use Bravo. I've had several of
my "non" raw feeding friends email me the story about the Bravo
recall. Some tubes of the Bravo Chicken and Turkey stuff was recalled
because it contained salmonella and listeria. Why are they recalling
it because of salmonella? I feed raw chicken, doesn't that contain
salmonella? How do I respond to my "good intentioned" friends when
they ask about this recall? I've already been through the "raw chicken
and salmonella" speech with them. Why would salmonella in a frozen
prepackaged dog food be any different from the salmonella in the fresh
chicken I feed?. Just wondering what I can say to people when they ask
about this. Won't make me change the way I feed my dogs.

Frankie

Messages in this topic (1)
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

All information on this list represents personal opinion only. By staying on this list, you agree to never hold anyone from this list or associated with this list liable for any information posted through this list. You agree to take personal responsibility for your learning, and for personal responsibility for what you feed yourself, your family, and your dogs, cats, ferrets, or any other animal that lives under your care. If you don't agree, please unsubscribe immediately.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/

<*> Your email settings:
Digest Email | Traditional

<*> To change settings online go to:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/join

(Yahoo! ID required)

<*> To change settings via email:
mailto:rawfeeding-normal@yahoogroups.com
mailto:rawfeeding-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
rawfeeding-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:

http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

------------------------------------------------------------------------