[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12054

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. I have a request
From: Brandi

2a. Re: Suggestions for a dog who HATES beef liver!
From: Penny (Nickles) Parker

3a. Re: Species of tripe
From: great_dane_devotee
3b. Re: Species of tripe
From: metra_co
3c. Re: Species of tripe
From: costrowski75

4a. All In...
From: wmt613
4b. Re: All In...
From: Andrea
4c. Re: All In...
From: wmt613
4d. Re: All In...
From: Andrea

5a. Re: I think my puppy is allergic to chicken -getting desperate-
From: mgitaville
5b. Re: I think my puppy is allergic to chicken -getting desperate-
From: one_sojourner_one

6a. Re: Flosing Zone
From: Andrea
6b. Re: Flosing Zone
From: costrowski75
6c. Re: Flosing Zone
From: kjdaughtridge

7a. Re: Feeding schedule
From: Andrea
7b. Re: Feeding schedule
From: costrowski75

8a. NEW TO RAW
From: Michal Cline

9a. Re: some tartar on his teeth
From: Kari Carlisle

10a. Re: Houston meat suppliers - Anyone have suggestions?
From: kaylsraven

11a. New raw feeder
From: cleone4100
11b. Re: New raw feeder
From: Yasuko herron
11c. Re: New raw feeder
From: Howard Salob
11d. Re: New raw feeder
From: cleone4100@aol.com
11e. Re: New raw feeder
From: cleone4100@aol.com

12a. Re: Fasting a 7 mo old pup?
From: one_sojourner_one

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1. I have a request
Posted by: "Brandi" bbryant573@gmail.com bbryant573
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:08 am ((PDT))

Chris O can you email me privately, please?

Thank you,
Brandi
bbryant573@gmail.com

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2a. Re: Suggestions for a dog who HATES beef liver!
Posted by: "Penny (Nickles) Parker" loverladymaggiemae@yahoo.com loverladymaggiemae
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:08 am ((PDT))

I have been trying for days to feed Lucy some beef liver, and she just
> can't stand it!

Just a thought........Have you tried drying it in the oven in small
pieces, and using it as training treats with lots of praise? They
don't need that much liver and that just might change it enough to make
it "OK". Also, they usually gulp down the treats without really
analizing them.
Also, perhaps, liver from another source might hit the spot.
Penny & The Menagerie

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3a. Re: Species of tripe
Posted by: "great_dane_devotee" libpowers@mac.com great_dane_devotee
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:09 am ((PDT))

I have an offer for the butchering discards of two lambs (yay!)

How does one get an offer of the butchering discards? I contacted my butcher (He does my
steer) to ask for such items as heart, liver, tongue, and they told me that it was illegal to offer
any parts that were uninspected to a consumer for liability reasons. I was free to get those
from my own butchered animals, but not from others' animals.

Shall I just contact another butcher?

Libby

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3b. Re: Species of tripe
Posted by: "metra_co" metraco@hotmail.com metra_co
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:45 am ((PDT))

When I've ordered goat chunks from Taylor Pond Farms, there has usually
been some tripe pieces included, and it's the first part Rusty inhales!

Metra

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> Has anyone fed tripe/stomach from goat or lamb? I have an offer for
> the butchering discards of two lambs (yay!) and I can only assume it
> will include the stomachs. I can't think of how it would be any less
> good than cow stomach. Right? Anything I should know?
>

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3c. Re: Species of tripe
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:41 am ((PDT))

"girlndocs" <girlndocs@...> wrote:
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> Has anyone fed tripe/stomach from goat or lamb?
*****
Yes. Goat guts (all of 'em) and lamb tripe.

I have an offer for
> the butchering discards of two lambs (yay!) and I can only assume it
> will include the stomachs.
*****
Take them! Worry about the details later.

I can't think of how it would be any less
> good than cow stomach. Right?
*****
Right. Arguably better.
Chris O

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4a. All In...
Posted by: "wmt613" wmt613@yahoo.com wmt613
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:06 am ((PDT))

Hello all,

Today is the day 'we' take the plunge: Molly - doberman, hound, ? mix
(2 years old, 55 lbs); Jaz - terrier, shepherd, ? mix (3 years old 50
lbs) ; Ruger - Decker Rat Terrier (2 years old, 38 lbs); and Chloe -
Jack Russel Terrier (9 years old, 16 lbs). Three girls and a boy.
All rescues.

I am on board with this 100%. My wife - not so much. She agrees that
we need to do this, she's just a little overwhelmed at the amount of
work that can be involved.

Any advice on the following would be greatly appreciated.

Where to feed? I found a lot of information about what to feed, but
not necessarily where. Obviously, with the bacterial implications,
we aren't going to be feeding them on the carpet in the living room.
Summer is fine for feeding them outside, but what about during the
winter?

What about combining meats in a meal? Is it okay to give them a
combination of ground beef and chicken wings? Chicken breasts and
beef ribs? Or is this just a bad idea?

Bones. These are my wife's biggest concern. I've tried to allay her
fears by pointing out that Molly 'The Mole Killer' has eaten baby
rabbits whole with no ill effects (we live in country). My wife
wonders if we're better off adding bone meal to ground meats and
giving them raw beef bones to chew under supervision that we can take
away when they get to the size of a choking hazzard. Bad idea?

Veggies/Fruits. Necessary? There seems to be a lack of consensus
from what I've read.

Again, any help is GREATLY appreciated.

WMT

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4b. Re: All In...
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:00 am ((PDT))

Hooray for you taking the plunge! I think as you go along you'll
find that your concerns aren't a big deal.

> Where to feed?

While I do hold a healty respect for germs, I'm not all that afraid
of them. With both my dogs I began feeding them in their crates. It
is a great way to let them feel secure keep them in a contained
area. They learned that you eat in one spot and now they will keep
their food wherever I put it down. Geiger the GSP mix eats on his
big dog bed, Tycho the newf mix eats on his too small puppy bed (how
quickly they grow). When the beds get funky the covers get washed.

> What about combining meats in a meal?

Great, I do it all the time.

> Is it okay to give them a combination of ground beef and chicken
> wings? Chicken breasts and beef ribs? Or is this just a bad idea?

As far as mixing meats it is fine. Wings should be attached to the
rest of the bird, though. They are far too easy to swallow whole.
Ground meat doesn't provide any dental benefit so I only buy it when
it is on super duper sale. Breasts and ribs are a good meal.

> My wife wonders if we're better off adding bone meal to ground
> meats and giving them raw beef bones to chew under supervision that
> we can take away when they get to the size of a choking hazzard.

One of the great things about raw feeding is that it naturally keeps
your pets' mouths clean because they have to rip, tear, and crunch
their food into submission. Feeding ground food deprives them of a
natural toothbrush. Also, dogs who tend to bolt their food will do
so even faster with ground meals. Generally, beef bones are too hard
for dogs to safely chew without causing eventual damage to the
teeth. It is best and easiest to stick with whole foods. Once you
see them actually eating a chicken quarter you will realize that this
is the way they were meant to eat.

> Veggies/Fruits. Necessary?

Nope. Not at all. No lack of consensus as long as you realize that
scientifically dogs are carnivores. They have no need for fruits and
veggies, they get everything they need from prey animals.

Andrea

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4c. Re: All In...
Posted by: "wmt613" wmt613@yahoo.com wmt613
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:21 am ((PDT))

Thanks for the insight, Andrea! Our dogs are used to eating one
large meal a day in the evening. Should we continue this cycle or
should we start splitting their meals to morning and evening? We
give them kongs in the morning with a treat since they are kenneled
during the day. I'm thinking of filling the kongs with ground beef
or turkey to keep them in their routine and then gradually shifting
it to a meal instead. Good idea, bad?

Thanks,

Will

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4d. Re: All In...
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:15 am ((PDT))

I prefer feeding once a day. It allows me to give big food and let the
dogs really expend some energy while eating. As you switch over you
might have loose stools at first, but if you do you can back off the
amount you are feeding and build up their bowel tolerance. Other than
puppies, senior dogs and dogs with health problems I would only feed
once a day.

Ground meats as kong filling works great, I also use it to stuff the
cavity of chickens and freeze for good cool fun during the summer
months.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "wmt613" <wmt613@...> wrote:

> Our dogs are used to eating one large meal a day in the evening.
> Should we continue this cycle or should we start splitting their
> meals to morning and evening?

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5a. Re: I think my puppy is allergic to chicken -getting desperate-
Posted by: "mgitaville" mgitaville@hotmail.com mgitaville
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:07 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "one_sojourner_one"
<onesojourner@...> wrote:
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> alright we tried beef tonight and the little guy inhaled it. We gave
> him a pretty decent steak I had frozen. Obviously I can't feed him 4
> bucks worth of meet every time so can any one suggest some cheaper
> options. I have read that pork should be frozen for at least a month
> before it is fed. If chicken is out I don't know where I am going to
> get my bones from.
>
>
>
>
> -peter
>

******Pork does not need to be frozen for a month in my opinion....I
feed straight from the store often and have never had a problem. With
2 bullmastiffs food rarely stays in the freezer for more than 2 weeks.
Second, I encourage you to re-read Andrea's post regarding your
suspected allergy....HIGHLY unlikely this is a chicken allergy. Many
dogs have upset stomachs when making the transition to raw. Feel free
to start with beef or pork, but I encourage you to go back to chicken
once you and your dog get the hang of things.

Marguerita

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5b. Re: I think my puppy is allergic to chicken -getting desperate-
Posted by: "one_sojourner_one" onesojourner@gmail.com one_sojourner_one
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:09 am ((PDT))

One possibility is that he is eating his food too quickly. Geiger has
been known to bolt down small pieces of food whole only to bring it
back up half an hour later and eat it again, chewing this time. Give
the pup larger portions that he has to work to eat so that his stomach
juices can get going before the food gets there.

He ate the chicken painfully slow compared to the beef he has eaten so
this would be strange. -peter

The food might also be too cold. This has never been a problem with my
big dogs, but my sister's chi has problems holding down food straight
from the fridge. He's fine eating the same thing around room temp,
though.

One of the steaks he ate was partially frozen so I don't think he has
issues with cold food. The chicken he ate was room temperature. -peter

Lastly, you might check to make the chicken hasn't been enhanced with
juicifiers and broth.

This could be the case but there was no mention of it on the label.-peter

So, make sure your chicken is minimally processed, feed bigger more
akward pieces, and let food get to room temp before feeding. If that
doesn't work, let us know. Good luck.

Andrea

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6a. Re: Flosing Zone
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:30 am ((PDT))

How long does it take to clean the teeth? It depends on how dirty
they were in the first place. My GSP, Geiger, has been raw fed since
he was 3mo old, so his teeth are in great shape. When he had tartar
on his canines it went away in about a week once I started feeding
more complicated meals. I can't speak for dogs who start out with
dirty teeth, though.

Wreck bones are never ok in my book. I probably wouldn't worry about
the antilope legs, and I'm on the fence about deer, but I wouldn't
feed elk legs at all. Shoulder of these animals should be great if
it isn't a bare nekkid bone. No meat = no feed in my house. Not
that I am lucky enough to be able to make those choices though )=

Glad Ishta enjoyed the head, I sure enjoyed looking at the pictures!

Andrea

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> once given the proper diet that will provide what she needs to
> clean of the tarter, how long does it usualy take? Also on wreck
> bones, when is ok and not ok? right now along with the other I am
> geting I get elk, antilope and deer shoulder blades and front leg
> bones that are still attached and has a lot of meat and tendons
> left on them.

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6b. Re: Flosing Zone
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:06 am ((PDT))

"lauraanimal1" <lauraanimal1@...> wrote:
once given the proper diet that will
> provide what she needs to clean of the tarter, how long does it
> usualy take?
*****
Depends on how much tartar you start with and what is in the proper
diet you feed. Since tartar is removed by mechanical process
(abrasion), if you feed a variety of body parts that allow all the
teeth to be put to work you will see cleaner teeth sooner than if you
feed meals that do not require a full-dental assault. Some dogs lose
the buildup quickly, others no not. Most people see SOME cleaner
teeth fairly soon but find the inscisors and the "fangs" are last and
hardest to clean up.

Also on wreck bones, when is ok and not ok?
*****
They are not called "wreck" bones without reason. Don't feed bare
naked bones. Period. Then you don't have to worry about which is
the least offensive. Aim to feed bones with plenty of juicy,
scrumptuous meat on them. Dense, barenaked bones will not clean the
front teeth although they may indeed fracture them.

For the front teeth you need sinewy parts (a slab of beef ribs is
good) for flossing between the incisors and you need meat without or
without hide/hair thick enough to allow the dogs to truly sink their
teeth into the meal. If there is nothing in the meal to scrub the
fangs, they won't get cleaned unless you do the scrubbing yourself.

I am geting I get elk, antilope and deer
> shoulder blades and front leg bones that are still attached and has
> a lot of meat and tendons left on them. there is also a lot of
> cartlegde (sp?) on the shoulder blade, are these ok to feed as long
> as I take them up after she eats the meat and tentdons off them?
*****
These are perfect, lovely, wonderful! When the bones are offered
with meat and tendons and cartilage and sinew attached, they are an
integral part of the meal. Let your dogs get as much off of and out
of these as they can. These bones, as fed, are not wreck bones nor
even rec bones. They are the meal. This is a good thing.
Chris O

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6c. Re: Flosing Zone
Posted by: "kjdaughtridge" kjdaughtridge@yahoo.com kjdaughtridge
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:15 am ((PDT))

Thought I'd chime in on this one as a newbie. We've been feeding raw for about 3 months
now. One of my dogs is a greyhound and greys are notorious for having nasty teeth. His
teeth were so bad you couldn't even see the teeth in back under all the tartar and his gums
looked awful. After about 2 weeks I could see a big difference. After 2 months he was tartar
free and his gums look pink and healthy! In fact, I ran into his previous owner at a dog show
and she was amazed at how beautiful his teeth were. He is three years old and the dog she
was showing is about 18 months. Her dog was well on his way to tartar city.

Needless to say, I pounced on the opportunity to spread the word about raw. She seemed
interested so I sent her all the links and Giselle's "how to get started" message.

-Kathleen D.

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7a. Re: Feeding schedule
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:31 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "abeautiful3" <abeautiful3@...>
wrote:

> I do not think that I will have time in the morning to feed them
> seprately and keep an eye on them.
> Do you think this will throw there system off to much?

Probably, but that isn't really the worst thing in the world. Being
able to feed your dogs whenever you choose to is a wonderful
blessing. When Geiger was a baby puppy I fed him three times a day
at specific times. Before work, after work, and when humans ate
dinner. The problem arose when I would get stuck at work and be an
hour late or when bf and I had a late dinner. Geiger would go to his
feeding spot and vomit bile and scare the bejeezus out of me without
fail. I found out from the list that it was because his stomach was
expecting food at a certain time and if the food didn't show it had
to get rid of the digestive juices somehow. From then on I started
feeding Geiger at random times. The first week was really hard
because he was still puking bile at almost every "mealtime." As the
week went on, the bile vomit became more infrequent and now I haven't
seen it in over a year. The best thing about random feedings is that
the pups always act so pleasantly surprised when I come in the room
with food in my hands.

Andrea

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7b. Re: Feeding schedule
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:30 am ((PDT))

"abeautiful3" <abeautiful3@...> wrote:
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> One thing that I am concerned about is their feeding schedule when I
> feed them kibble I would feed them early in the morning before I would
> have to leave for work.
*****
Strict feeding schedules are frequently more detrimental than
beneficial. You may need a feeding schedule to get your pre-job chores
done, but your dogs do not need to be feed by the clock. I recommend
you take the clock out of your feeding plans.

I recommend you feed them when you have time to do it properly and
don't beat yourself up about it. If that means at night, fine and
dandy. If that means feeding "easy" food M-F and saving the big,
complicated, engrossing meals for the weekend, fine and dandy.

It's okay to mix up meals, it's okay to feed erratically, it's okay to
have a thoroughly untidy meal plan. Once your dogs' brains get used to
more random meals, their digestive systems will acclimate as well.
Chris O

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8a. NEW TO RAW
Posted by: "Michal Cline" Mcline30@aol.com michalcline
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:52 am ((PDT))

I have been lurking for about a month and have been feeding raw for
over 2 weeks. I gave their 15 kilo bag of kibble to a friend. I
apologize in advance because this is a long post BUT I am sooooo
frustrated. I also ordered the Lonsdale book. Their vet supports me
as do many friends on the Parti Poodle Forum. I also joined Raw Chat.

I live in France near the Mediterrean and have two Standard parti
Poodle males: Victor is 3(17 kilos) and Aramis is 2 (23 kilos). Both
are from the States. As I read through the posts, I envy you in the
States for the variety and ease with which you are able to obtain
raw meat for your dogs.

Bacically I have fed chicken, pork ribs, sardines, and mackeral to my
boys with a little kidney. Aramis, the younger, will eat anything,
but Victor must have his food held for him to eat. But that is not
the problem for us really. The problem is the cost of buying meat
here in France. Unlike Anericans, the French eat almost every part
of an animal. When I asked a butcher for meaty ribs and
unfortunately mentioned they were for the dogs, he walked away and
turned me over to another buther. Stupid me! The French love their
dogs but most feed them kibble with table scraps. Forget rabbit! It
is over 12 euros a kilo!

I did manage to buy 2 lamb tongues which they loved. Like my English
counterparts, we also do not have a large freezer space. Also because
we live near the sea, this is not a hunting area so there is little
to obtain from hunters or chicken or duck farms. If we lived 2 hours
west we would not have the same dilemna. As of now it is costing us
about 5 euros a day to feed them. That is close to 8 dollars! And
their diet consists primarily of chicken.

In the morning I feed them a little fromage blanc (cross between
yogart and cream cheese) then around 2 pm they get their chicken
quarters, legs or halves and maybe a little pork rib. In the evening
they partake of the leftover noodles, potatoes, rice, buttered bread,
or extra raw beef, etc. For training I give them tiny pieces of
Frolic.

They also love boiled or scrambled eggs. Can eggs constitute a
potrion of the protein instead of meat? And if so, how many eggs?
Does one just crack them and give them raw in a bowl?

Clearly, I need help and appreciate your suggestions. We are not rich
and their food is costing more than ours--maybe another reason to
head back?

Michal Cline owned by 2 beautiful parti boys

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9a. Re: some tartar on his teeth
Posted by: "Kari Carlisle" kari@houndgroup.com karicarlisle
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:53 am ((PDT))

In the book, "Raw Meaty Bones," the author talks about this. He says
the canine teeth are only used in the process of bringing down prey so
even with raw fed carnivores, the canines may not be used while
eating. After I read that, I checked my dogs teeth, and sure enough,
their teeth are sparkly white except for their canines. At least the
canines are easy to brush!

Kari, Jack and Sam's houndmom

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10a. Re: Houston meat suppliers - Anyone have suggestions?
Posted by: "kaylsraven" kaylsraven@yahoo.com kaylsraven
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:54 am ((PDT))

> I was wondering if anyone in Houston or the SE Texas area had a
> reliable supplier they buy from?

If you find one, let me know ^_^

Okay, kinda kidding. You can come check out HoustonRawFeeders at Y!--I
haven't been on in a while, but finding out about bulk suppliers is
helpful when you have the cash flow, agonizing when you see a really
great deal and can't do it, so I mostly stay away at this point.
Bones2Go is good--on her price list, she lists several bulk items
(kangaroo and emu being two! Plus whole goat, I think she's got whole
lamb on there...) so maybe talk to her about that--I intend to at some
point in the hopefully not too distant future.

I'm north of Conroe, and we have a lot of deer hunters around here.
Once I find some, I intend to talk to them about the remains of their
deer hunting exploits, so that's an idea.

There are a couple Asian markets around that I found were excellent
sources of fish and funky organ meats (but mostly fish). They also
carry duck and rabbit at the one I go (went *sigh*) to, the Hong Kong
market (it's on Bellaire or Bissonet--one of those B streets in the SW
chunk of Houston).

Hope that helped at least a little.

Sabrina 'n the gang

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11a. New raw feeder
Posted by: "cleone4100" cleone4100@aol.com cleone4100
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:59 am ((PDT))

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I just started raw feeding my two bloodhounds. I used to feed mixed
commercial and scraps in the AM. That way they were done eliminating by
bed time and slept through the night. Now they are both waking me up in
the middle of the night and having very soft or runny stools. I still
feed in the AM, but then have been giving them another piece of meaty
beef bone in the afternoon. Is a soft or runny stool normal? If not how
long does it usually take to get back to a firm stool? Am I not giving
enough bones? Once they have eaten, how long does it usually take for
them to need to eliminate? Any and all help and suggestions would be
appreciated! So far my female Biscuit is fine with it, but Gravy the
male is confused, takes him a little while to figure out how to eat the
meat. Thanks!

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11b. Re: New raw feeder
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:19 am ((PDT))

>I used to feed mixed commercial and scraps in the AM.

Hi,if you tell us what you are currently feeding,then,we could help you more. Amount you feeding and,what you are feeding are good to put in the post when you have questions and others can find what are causing problems.

Also,how long have you been on rawfeeding? How many times a day are you feeding? How big are your dog?That is important info too.

Are you feeding whole chicken cut up to your dogs portion??

Easiest to start with is get chicken whole and cut up to appropriate portion and feed,and that way,you would not feed too small portion that dog may want to swallow whole such as bunch of chicken wings,plus much cheaper that way than buying bunch of parts by parts.

>Now they are both waking me up in the middle of the night and having very soft or runny >stools.

I am wondering if too much food all at one sitting or you put too many different kinds of stuff like chicken with liver etc even though dog just started on rawfeeding.

What you are feeding and how much you feeding really helps to find answer to this poo prob.

My dog go poo once a day or two.

And you wrote one of your dog is confused by the food you offer. It is because smell different,texture is different and some dog needs to recognise it is a food. Be patient and try quick searing etc and entice thedog to eat.It should help.

yassy

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11c. Re: New raw feeder
Posted by: "Howard Salob" itiskismet1968@yahoo.com itiskismet1968
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:19 am ((PDT))

Dear CLeone,

Try giving green tripe. It makes a big difference.

Sincerely,

Howard

cleone4100 <cleone4100@aol.com> wrote:
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I just started raw feeding my two bloodhounds. I used to feed mixed
commercial and scraps in the AM. That way they were done eliminating by
bed time and slept through the night. Now they are both waking me up in
the middle of the night and having very soft or runny stools. I still
feed in the AM, but then have been giving them another piece of meaty
beef bone in the afternoon. Is a soft or runny stool normal? If not how
long does it usually take to get back to a firm stool? Am I not giving
enough bones? Once they have eaten, how long does it usually take for
them to need to eliminate? Any and all help and suggestions would be
appreciated! So far my female Biscuit is fine with it, but Gravy the
male is confused, takes him a little while to figure out how to eat the
meat. Thanks!

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11d. Re: New raw feeder
Posted by: "cleone4100@aol.com" cleone4100@aol.com cleone4100
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:16 am ((PDT))

Thanks,

I started with meaty beef bones (1 large each) about a week ago with their
scraps, then added boneless chicken thighs cut up (2-3 each). I cut out the
scraps a few days ago, but sometimes I add some egg yolks, sometimes some
cheese to their meat. Yesterday I gave Gravy an extra chicken leg/thigh in the
afternoon and he ate it right up. Today for the first time I fed a piece of pork
shoulder (about 1 lb each) and some chicken thighs (1 each). They also got
about 1/2 cup cheese and a little buttermilk. Should I cut out the dairy?

Biscuit weighs 75lbs, Gravy weighs 115.

I bought a big bag of chicken leg/thigh portions, pork shoulder that was on
sale, and also still have the boneless chicken thighs and beef bones. Should I
feed each separate rather than mix them?

Gravy finally figured out the pork shoulder and seems to enjoying it. Thanks
for you help, Carey

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11e. Re: New raw feeder
Posted by: "cleone4100@aol.com" cleone4100@aol.com cleone4100
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:17 am ((PDT))

Sorry but what is green tripe? Carey

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12a. Re: Fasting a 7 mo old pup?
Posted by: "one_sojourner_one" onesojourner@gmail.com one_sojourner_one
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:15 am ((PDT))

I am no expert but I think with him being so young I would just feed
less or take the food up sooner.

-peter

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