[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12063

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: I tried and raw is just not going to work.
From: brutus_buckley

2a. Re: Raw TREATS?
From: Stephanie Sorensen

3. Re: pregnant and lactating dams
From: Michael Moore

4a. Re: ham
From: Michael Moore

5. Re: pregnant Yorkie
From: Michael Moore

6a. Feeding amount Clarification
From: T Smith
6b. Re: Feeding amount Clarification
From: Sandee Lee

7a. Re: Cat with sensitive stomach
From: Howard Salob
7b. Re: Cat with sensitive stomach
From: Casey Post
7c. Re: Cat with sensitive stomach
From: Elizabeth
7d. Re: Cat with sensitive stomach
From: Casey Post

8a. Re: raw salmon
From: Giselle

9a. Re: Raw Treats
From: Michael Moore

10a. Re: Tongue
From: Bumble1994@aol.com
10b. Re: Tongue
From: Laurie Swanson

11. Re: baby teeth
From: Michael Moore

12a. Re: HELP PLEASE? AVOCADO PIT :(((
From: cypressbunny

13a. Re: NEW TO RAW
From: Laurie Swanson
13b. Re: NEW TO RAW
From: Giselle

14a. Re: Need advice on weight loss for large mixed breed
From: cockatoos4

15a. Re: Ham
From: Giselle

16a. ADMIN/Re: Raw TREATS?
From: costrowski75

17a. Re: {Raw Feeding} Hambuger meat
From: costrowski75

18a. Re: Houston meat suppliers - Anyone have suggestions?
From: labcope

19a. Re: parts is parts
From: costrowski75

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1a. Re: I tried and raw is just not going to work.
Posted by: "brutus_buckley" brutus_buckley@yahoo.com brutus_buckley
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 4:35 pm ((PDT))

//Sometimes you have to break up the bones, I use a hammer.//

Peter,
I agree with some of the other members in that you are probably
teaching your pup to hold out for something better. It can be
frustrating, but keep trying, and stick with one meat. If you go back
to kibble, your pup will just end up being picky about kibble and
you'll still end up switching foods all the time.
The main reason I am posting is to advise against smashing up the bones
with a hammer. I did this with my pup when she was about 3 months old
and it caused digestive upset. I beleive that because I was crushing up
bones that she would/could not chew up with her puppy teeth, she was
swallowing the chunks whole, which caused her to vomit them up and gave
her the runs. With a pup, I think it's best not to break up the bones.
If they gnaw on them and can chew them up themselves, that is best.
Chicken breasts with the ribs attached are my favorite for starting
pups. The bones in leg quarters were a bit too much at first.
-Renee W.

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2a. Re: Raw TREATS?
Posted by: "Stephanie Sorensen" steph.sorensen@yahoo.com steph.sorensen
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 4:35 pm ((PDT))

What I do is sear the liver in a pan for about 20-25 seconds on each side, cut into small, thin, bite-sized pieces, put on a baking sheet and stick in a 300 degree oven for a couple of hours. It makes quite a few dry little treats that stay good for a few months, provided you store them in an airtight container.

-Steph
Scarlet, Lucy and Minkey (the kitty)

skyli_19 <NRB19@aol.com> wrote:
Any recommendations for raw treats that I can carry in my pocket?
Maggie is about to start agility training. I have never trained her
with treats but this group does and it seems to work really well for
the pups learning. The trainer worked with Mag a bit and she used meat
bits but were so tiny maggie got bored so she switched to string
cheese. I had to bite my tongue because I wasn't comfortable with the
dairy...but Maggie loved it and took to the training very fast. Any
opinions on dairy for treats?

I thought maybe I could cut up liver and freeze it. Well, any meat for
that matter. But I don't know that it will stay frozen long and squishy
pockets don't appeal to me. What have you all used?

Nicole & Maggie

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3. Re: pregnant and lactating dams
Posted by: "Michael Moore" m-tak@sbcglobal.net annemoore2000
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 4:35 pm ((PDT))

>>Does anyone know if there are any concerns about feeding raw
while pregnant? It seems to me they should do really well but I just
don't know.<<

Mark - I don't think I really understand your question -- rawfed bitches are healthier than ki**ble fed bitches, and I cannot imagine any "concerns." I did increase amounts offered & frequency of meals later in my bitch's gestation, and offered increased organs as she progressed closer to her whelping date. She refused to eat bone the last couple of weeks, and refused certain meats throughout much of her pregnancy; I didn't mind catering to her "whims."

-- Anne Moore (M-Tak PWC and one goofy GSD rescue and a silly Golden rescue) in NW Ohio

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4a. Re: ham
Posted by: "Michael Moore" m-tak@sbcglobal.net annemoore2000
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 4:35 pm ((PDT))

>>Okay, so I'm still new to raw feeding my dogs. I printed out
the "recipe" page from one of the raw feeding sites and it lists ham as
a good food source. Isn't ham smoked and full of nitrates? How can
this be good for the animal?<<

Carole -- the "ham" referred to is a *fresh* ham -- as in straight off the hog fresh. Nothing has been done to it except carving it from the pig.

-- Anne Moore (M-Tak PWC and one goofy GSD rescue and a silly Golden rescue) in NW Ohio

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5. Re: pregnant Yorkie
Posted by: "Michael Moore" m-tak@sbcglobal.net annemoore2000
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 4:36 pm ((PDT))

>>I have been feeding raw for approximately 4 months. I now have a pregnant 6# yorkie who is 3 weeks into her pregnancy.
Should I add anything to this diet to insure an optimal pregnancy? This is not her first litter, but first litter on the raw diet.<<

Julie -- I didn't "add" anything to my Corgi's diet when she was pregnant. I did offer increased amounts (and smaller, more frequent meals) later in her gestation. But with my girl, she started "refusing" certain proteins -- first to go was fish, with much drama, I might add. Next came pork, eggs, chicken, turkey. Towards the final two weeks, the only foods she would eat were venison and beef heart. She stopped eating bone about 6 weeks in, but gobbled every every tiny bit of organs I offered, so I increased the offerings a bit. I truly believe that pregnant bitches "know" what their bodies need.

-- Anne Moore (M-Tak PWC and one goofy GSD rescue and a silly Golden rescue) in NW Ohio

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6a. Feeding amount Clarification
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 4:53 pm ((PDT))

MODERATORS NOTE:SIGN YOUR MAILS PLEASE!

2- 3% of adeal adult weight means?

I ask because I am feeding Dane puppies.
For example:
Casper is 130 at 7 months old
Louie is 92 @ 5 months...
& we have a 4 month old... so with growing pups, explain the ratio feeding
please?

Maybe you know me from cyberdaniacs? I've been there for 10 years (maybe)

On 9/23/07, Sandee Lee <rlee@plix.com> wrote:
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> Hi Trina,
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> << snip >> Feed approximately 2-3% of their ideal adult
> weight. <http://rawfeddogs.net>
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> Don't I know you from a Dane list somewhere in the past????<<snip>>
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> Sandee & the Dane Gang
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6b. Re: Feeding amount Clarification
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 5:25 pm ((PDT))

Trina,

Just estimate what they will weigh as adults and feed 2 or 3% of that per
day, divided up into how ever many meals you are feeding.
Three puppies? Yikes! You are brave! :)

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "T Smith" <coldbeach@gmail.com>
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> 2- 3% of adeal adult weight means?
>
> I ask because I am feeding Dane puppies.
> For example:
> Casper is 130 at 7 months old
> Louie is 92 @ 5 months...
> & we have a 4 month old... so with growing pups, explain the ratio feeding
> please?

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7a. Re: Cat with sensitive stomach
Posted by: "Howard Salob" itiskismet1968@yahoo.com itiskismet1968
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 4:54 pm ((PDT))

Dear Casey ,

I have an 18 year old girl- siamese. What is the best way to transition her to raw? What foods and how much?

Sincerely,

Howard

>>Anyways, the cat is 13 yrs old, and has a sensitive
> stomach, and vomits nearly everyday for some reason or another.

Thirteen, frequent vomiting - if this cat hasn't been tested for
hyperthyroidism already, that would definitely be my next step.

>So,
> any suggestions of how to make the transition easier?

Small, frequent meals, room temperature (not cold from the fridge), avoid
enhanced meats, etc. Try many different meats - some cats are more likely
to toss up one particular meat more than another, so don't be shy about
trying anything and everything.

I will also say that I switched my old girl at 14 and she's 20 now - my only
regret is not switching her sooner!

Casey

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7b. Re: Cat with sensitive stomach
Posted by: "Casey Post" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 5:04 pm ((PDT))

> I have an 18 year old girl- siamese. What is the best way to transition
> her to raw? What foods and how much?

Howard,

The best way is whatever way works for the cat! Some do best with slow
transition (kibble to canned to raw), some jump right into raw, no problem.
Some skipped the canned step. Some need serious bribe foods (all meat baby
food(no onion), freeze dried meat treats crushed over the raw, kitty kaviar,
whatever).

There's no way to know what is going to work for the cat until you try. And
sometimes you have to try the same thing over and over again before the cat
decides that it was her idea in the first place. Lots of variety right up
front is often a good idea.

I recommend that you visit www.rawfedcats.org for the basics and good ideas
on switching. We also have a cat-specific sister list at

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawcat/ for individual help and support.

Casey

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7c. Re: Cat with sensitive stomach
Posted by: "Elizabeth" rainsou1@yahoo.com rainsou1
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 6:00 pm ((PDT))

Casey,

Thank you for suggesting those links! I didn't know about the cat group!

-Liz

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7d. Re: Cat with sensitive stomach
Posted by: "Casey Post" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 6:21 pm ((PDT))

> Thank you for suggesting those links! I didn't know about the cat group!

Ah - glad to help!

Yes, the rawcat group is quite helpful to those who cannot wade through all
the dog-related posts here. And Lily's rawfedcats.org site is great for
folks to try and get a handle on the basics.

Casey

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8a. Re: raw salmon
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 5:02 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Stephanie!
NAFAIK.
In fact, quite a lot of people store caps or oil supplements in their
freezer if they buy in large amounts, to retard rancidity.
TC
Giselle
with Bea in new Jersey

> I can understand that freezing fish will kill parasites, but does it
> also make the good oils less potent in any way?
>
> Thanks,
> Stephanie
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9a. Re: Raw Treats
Posted by: "Michael Moore" m-tak@sbcglobal.net annemoore2000
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 5:17 pm ((PDT))

>>Maggie is about to start agility training. I have never trained her
with treats but this group does and it seems to work really well for
the pups learning. The trainer worked with Mag a bit and she used meat
bits but were so tiny maggie got bored so she switched to string
cheese. I had to bite my tongue because I wasn't comfortable with the
dairy...but Maggie loved it and took to the training very fast. Any
opinions on dairy for treats?

I thought maybe I could cut up liver and freeze it. Well, any meat for
that matter. But I don't know that it will stay frozen long and squishy
pockets don't appeal to me. What have you all used? <<

Nicole -- this subject comes up frequently. There are a number of folks on the list who train in various venues/sports, myself included. I've done agility for 15 yrs., the last 6 while rawfeeding. Truly, treats comprise such a small percentage of your dog's diet that you can use practically anything! String cheese is a favorite around here. I also use freeze-dried chicken hearts, freeze-dried liver, Cheerios, Zukes mini naturals, garlic hot dogs, diced lunch meat, etc. My advice -- don't sweat the small stuff -- and treats are, in several ways, small stuff.

-- Anne Moore (M-Tak PWC and one goofy GSD rescue and a silly Golden rescue) in NW Ohio

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10a. Re: Tongue
Posted by: "Bumble1994@aol.com" Bumble1994@aol.com bumble1994
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 5:17 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 9/23/2007 7:35:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, "joannrn02"
writes:

slice it and feed a smalL amount once a week?
If your dog is new to raw, you might want to give a small piece along with
whatever the main meat is, at first, but one he's adjusted to it, there's no
reason to feed small amounts of beef tongue, and seldom. I've fed a couple of
ounces each to my 10 lb. cats every other day until the tongue I had was gone.
They loved it and had no trouble eating even the thick skin part, which I
figured was good for their teeth. It's just meaty meat, not an organ.

I haven't bought any tongue in awhile (have to drive across town to the only
WallyWorld that carries it) but this reminds me that as soon as I get some
of what's in the freezer down, I need to get them some. :)

Lynda

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10b. Re: Tongue
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 6:25 pm ((PDT))

I just give my dog a hunk of it every now and then if I have it. He's
a 20 lb. Boston and I'll give him maybe 1/4 lb. of tongue w/some other
meat/bone. I don't cut it up. He rips it apart and chews on it. I'd
try that w/your dog and see how she does. If you want to cut it up,
you can. I think it does tend to loosen up my dog's stool, so if
you're worried about that, go easy on it and feed it w/something
w/bone. You could also just defrost a small hunk and throw in a bite
or 2 with each meal til it's gone. You kind of just have to
experiment. Either go slow, or go for it and back up if you have
issues.

Laurie

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11. Re: baby teeth
Posted by: "Michael Moore" m-tak@sbcglobal.net annemoore2000
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 5:18 pm ((PDT))

>>I have since acquired a new puppy. Currently he is on raw minced
meat. I'm a little confused as to whether he can have bones, mainly
because he is teething and has very small and wobbly teeth at the
moment. Are bones and poultry necks ok? Would he still be able to
chew them up ok?<<

Jo - you didn't mention how old (I'm assuming around 4 mos. since he's teething) or what breed your new puppy is, but here's my .02 worth. My Corgi puppies could eat bone-in chicken breasts, including the bone, at about 6 wks. Poultry bones in general, and chicken in particular, are quite soft. Most puppies have no trouble with them. I will tell you that my Corgis took a loooooong time to eat bones while they were teething, but still got through them. I say, give the fella some bone-in parts and let him try!
However, except for toy/small breeds, I consider necks rather boney -- unless you add some meaty boneless meat to them.

-- Anne Moore (M-Tak PWC and one goofy GSD rescue and a silly Golden rescue) in NW Ohio

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12a. Re: HELP PLEASE? AVOCADO PIT :(((
Posted by: "cypressbunny" cypressbunny@yahoo.com cypressbunny
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 5:41 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Cdandp2@... wrote:
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> Question: How long til we're out of the woods here?

*** I don't think you're really IN the woods, actually. The claims
about avocado being toxic are largely overblown. There is a small
chance that a large pit might be too large for a Cocker to pass, but
given the size of poo I've seen come out of some Cockers, I don't
think so.

> OR, could it become a problem at any time
> down the road even after a few days?

*** Yes, it could become a problem down the road a few days. If the
pit is so large it doesn't want to go through the pylorus, it could
hang around in the stomach for a while, and it could be vomited back
up. Absolutely *worst* case scenario would be hanging around in the
stomach for a while, finally passing the pylorus, and then getting
stuck somewhere in the intestines. I doubt that would happen, but if
it did you would see some signs of pain, possibly worse panting than
he has as a result of heartworm, probably tense and painful belly,
and he may assume strange postures in an attempt to relieve the
discomfort. And, there would be no poo at all.

*** So, as long as he is eating and pooping and acting more or less
normal, I would just continue to keep a careful eye on him but not
panic.

--Carrie

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13a. Re: NEW TO RAW
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 6:01 pm ((PDT))

Michal,

It might be worth it to invest in a freezer! I couldn't get one
right away but now I have one and it really helps to be able to take
advantage of good deals and buy by the case, etc. If you can connect
with any other rawfeeders in your area, too, maybe you all could
share cases, or go in on a lamb together--that kind of thing. Do see
if you can take advantage of some of the fish that's available near
you, if your dogs like it.

They usually are puzzled by that first egg in the shell. :-) Glad
they liked it, though. If they digest that one well, just try a meal
of 2 eggs. Some dogs can tolerate more than others. I wouldn't
really want to make eggs a huge part of the diet--they need primarily
meat, bone, and organs. But I think they would have access to some
eggs in the wild and since you are having trouble finding stuff, just
do what you have to do and if it works for your dogs, it's fine.
Some people do feed eggs more regularly, I think.

Good luck!

Laurie

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13b. Re: NEW TO RAW
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 6:05 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Michel!
Welcome to the raw side!

Below is a link to my recommendations to start feeding raw. It
includes The Lis List, which has creative ways to source cheap or raw
meats. I know you aren't in the US, but I'm sure, with a list to spark
ideas from, you can come up with some workable plans.

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/141374
post # 141374

Its pretty long and somewhat detailed, so you may want to print it out
and highlight what is relevant for your situation.

There are indeed craigslists and FreeCycles in France;

http://www.freecycle.org/group/FR/
http://geo.craigslist.org/iso/fr

FreeCycle groups often have Yahoo Groups email lists. If there isn't
one in your area, you could start one! There have been a few people
from this list who have posted that they scored a free freezer through
FreeCycle,or a cheap one through craigslist.

I tend to feed eggs as a squidgey ick organ, just one or two at a
time, and not more than weekly. I might give my girl an egg for a
snack a day or two after she's gorged on a turkey or fresh ham. Its
fun to watch her roll it around with her nose, pick it up, then drop
it. Usually, once its dropped, the game is over, she licks the egg up.
She won't usually eat the shells, np. Some people can and do feed
entire meals of eggs, but I'd be cautious at first, and add an egg one
at a time to meals, until you can figure out and expand their bowel
tolerance. That's really the question you have to answer here - what
is, or can be, each dog's response to an egg meal? Its liable to be
different for each dog. Then again, some dogs have SBDs from eggs, so
it may be the human tolerance for the after meal odor that decides how
many eggs you can feed!

There may be a European counterpart to the yahoo group - carnivore
feed supplier - or some online reptile or zoo suppliers.
Hmmm, I'm extremely limited, as I don't read French, but would this be
helpful at all?
http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://perso.orange.fr/saintlaurentsa/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dfeeder%2Bmice%2Breptile%26num%3D20%26hl%3Den%26lr%3Dlang_fr%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DG%26as_qdr%3Dy
http://tinyurl.com/262hy2
A supplier like; http://www.livefoods.co.uk/index.php?cPath=24 who
provides frozen whole prey for people who own reptiles or birds of
prey might be possible, if there is one in France.

You said: "Aramis, the younger, will eat anything,
but Victor must have his food held for him to eat. But that is not
the problem for us really."

I can't imagine handfeeding a dog, unless they were ill. ^_^
Why don't you try a few of these suggestions? Waiting for you to
handfeed him is just a variation of "Help, he won't eat it!", a
subject that comes up frequently
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/130758

Message #130758

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/134336

Message #134336

HTHs, Michel, do let us know how you and the dogs progress!
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> We do not have a freezer just a small compartment in our fridge so
> buying in quantity would be difficult unless/until we can find a
> small freezer.
<snip>
> How many eggs can one feed to them at a time? (Standard Poodles- 40
> pounds and 50 pounds)
>
> You asked:
> > Do you have any online buying/selling groups over there (like we
> have craigslist and freecycle)? >>
>
> I have no idea but will continue my research and also act upon your
> suggestion about reposting with a different heading. Super
> idea!!!!!!!!
>
> Michal
>

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14a. Re: Need advice on weight loss for large mixed breed
Posted by: "cockatoos4" cockatoos4@yahoo.com cockatoos4
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 6:25 pm ((PDT))

Thanks to those who responded. I have not had JinJin's thyroid
checked but will ask the vet about it the next time we go.

> A suggestion; can you get access to a pool?

We live in rural Central Australia. There are no specialist vets in
town--the closest specialist would be a 1,500-km drive or a very
expensive plane flight away, perhaps in Sydney. I don't have access
to a pool where I could let JinJin swim. This was the first thing I
thought of when I opted not to have surgery done on her knee, but
there are no facilities here, nor do any of my friends have pools. We
have 7 months to go before we return to the States, where I know of a
vet specialist who uses swimming as therapy. We'll have to hold out
until then, I'm afraid.
>
>> Can you feed whole prey, including skin, fur, etc.? I'd also vote
for feeding one meal a day. Better yet, I'd probably feed every other
day.

The only food I've been able to get so far with fur is kangaroo tail.
(Food is very expensive here, by the way. People in America don't
realize how lucky they are!) I'll need to do more research about
getting whole prey. I have a relationship with a local butcher, so
I'll inquire. I also would like to try feeding once a day. It'll be
difficult to avoid those pleading eyes at mealtime; our routine has
been to eat two meals a day--JinJin eats when we eat.
>
>
> Take the time to BE with her, and enjoy her. She wouldn't blame you
> even if she could understand the mixture of feelings and misplaced
> guilt you have. We all have regrets, let it go. It'll take as long
as
> it takes, enjoy the journey you are taking together.

Giselle, thank you for your encouragement. JinJin couldn't be more
grateful for her life now after the hard one she lived previously.
And she shows it.

Gemma

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15a. Re: Ham
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 6:29 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Carole!
There fresh ham and then there's salt cured or smoked ham.
You don't want to feed salt cured or smoked hams to your dogs.

This is what I mean when I mention a fresh ham;
http://animalscience.unl.edu/meats/id/Porkcuts/Hamshank.htm

Here's a pic of the whole pig, including the shoulder butt and picnic
shoulder;
http://www.virtualweberbullet.com/meatcharts_photos/porkcuts.pdf

These meat charts are useful for figuring out what's what, and how
much meat/bone there actually might be in a cut;
http://www.virtualweberbullet.com/meatcharts.html
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> Okay, so I'm still new to raw feeding my dogs. I printed out
> the "recipe" page from one of the raw feeding sites and it lists ham as
> a good food source. Isn't ham smoked and full of nitrates? How can
> this be good for the animal?
>
> Carole
>

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16a. ADMIN/Re: Raw TREATS?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 6:34 pm ((PDT))

Please limit treat discussions on Rawfeeding to the whats. The whys,
the whens and especially the how-tos may be discussed as necessary on
RawChat. They are not appropriate for the Rawfeeding list. Thank you.
Chris O
Mod Team

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17a. Re: {Raw Feeding} Hambuger meat
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 6:42 pm ((PDT))

"Brandi Bryant" <bbryant573@...> wrote:
>
> I bought expired hamburger meat that had been markdown "for quick
> sale" with a intend to fix it for myself...well now it's brown:(
*****
That's because the other part was exposed to air. It has rusted. You
can cook it for yourself if you choose.

Or you can feed it raw to the dogs. It is a filler of tummies just as
any other raw beef meat is a filler. While ground meat is not the
nutritional bingo food that whole meats are, it is fine to feed
especially when tossing it would be throwing away money.

Chris O

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18a. Re: Houston meat suppliers - Anyone have suggestions?
Posted by: "labcope" labcope@yahoo.com labcope
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 6:48 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "kaylsraven" <kaylsraven@...>
wrote:
>
> > I was wondering if anyone in Houston or the SE Texas area had a
> > reliable supplier they buy from?
>
Hi - I bought around 150 lbs of emu meat recently. Mostly Legs (they
are 10-15lbs each), necks, hearts, trachea and gizzard. The dogs
love
it all EXCEPT the gizzards. Fortunately I didn't get many of them.
The
meat is very red and lean.

Here is Ray's webpage with pictures of the meat. You can call or
email
him and he will meet you somewhere. It was very reasonable, close to
$1 lb.

http://www.emuoildepot.com/emu_meat.htm

ray@emuoildepot.com

I may have a goat connection soon - I'll keep you posted.

Lori C

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19a. Re: parts is parts
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 6:50 pm ((PDT))

"jmwise80" <jmwise80@...> wrote:

> When it came to the back legs, though, he would put them down and
walk
> away with no interest in them at all. I just picked 'em up to
sneak
> into another meal later.
>
> Any ideas why the back legs weren't eaten?
*****
He may have been full. The tail is not much meat but a whole lotta
fiber (let us know what his stools are like!).

The back legs might have been too tough for him? Or, too tough for
him after having already eaten the tail and front legs?

Not hardly the same thing, but when my golden bitch eats baby goat,
she starts at the head and works her way back and so far has ALWAYS
eaten everthing but the two hind legs.

Maybe it's in their contract.
Chris O

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