[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12058

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. the myth about egg yolks
From: rigleyman@aol.com
1b. Re: the myth about egg yolks
From: anjumdanielle
1c. Re: the myth about egg yolks
From: Sandee Lee

2a. Re: Doxie coming home from knee surgery
From: Pam Staley
2b. Re: Doxie coming home from knee surgery
From: costrowski75

3a. new member question
From: rawnewfie
3b. Re: new member question
From: costrowski75
3c. Re: new member question
From: Giselle

4a. Re: Please Explain
From: costrowski75
4b. Re: Please Explain
From: Giselle

5a. What Easy to Get Meaty Bones will Really Clean my BIG Dog's Canine T
From: melanieabrams
5b. Re: What Easy to Get Meaty Bones will Really Clean my BIG Dog's Cani
From: costrowski75
5c. Re: What Easy to Get Meaty Bones will Really Clean my BIG Dog's Cani
From: Trisha
5d. Re: What Easy to Get Meaty Bones will Really Clean my BIG Dog's Cani
From: steph.sorensen

6a. I have a question...
From: Cindy Marabito
6b. Re: I have a question...
From: Giselle

7a. Bone shards in cat vomit
From: purvisp
7b. Re: Bone shards in cat vomit
From: Giselle

8. raw salmon
From: T. S.

9. Places to feed inside
From: cleone4100@aol.com

10. New To the group
From: jerseykev@aol.com

11a. Re: Just moved to raw
From: Kristin

12a. Why is my Beagle so disgusting?
From: never_connected
12b. Re: Why is my Beagle so disgusting?
From: woofwoofgrrl

13. HELP PLEASE? AVOCADO PIT :(((
From: Cdandp2@aol.com

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1a. the myth about egg yolks
Posted by: "rigleyman@aol.com" rigleyman@aol.com rigleyman
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 7:38 am ((PDT))

I saw on another list that someone believes the egg white destroys the vit B
in the egg yolk. She feels the whole egg is nicely balanced in general but
she specifically wants extra vit B and so tosses the egg white. Does anyone
have any DOCUMENTATION that might point to this being exaggerated? Is there
any truth to it? I've never heard of it for just one egg.

Judy

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1b. Re: the myth about egg yolks
Posted by: "anjumdanielle" anjumdanielle@yahoo.com anjumdanielle
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 9:51 am ((PDT))

Judy - here you go:

http://www.aeb.org/LearnMore/Eggcyclopedia/B.htm#biotin

Biotin

One of the B vitamins which plays an important role in cell
metabolism and the utilization of fats, proteins and carbohydrates.
Biotin is present in many foods including egg yolk and is synthesized
by the body. Avidin, one of the egg proteins, can combine with biotin
and make it unavailable. However, *** a human would have to eat 24
raw egg whites a day for biotin to be inhibited by avidin ***. Heat
inactivates the avidin and most eggs are served cooked. -see Avidin

HTH - Anjum

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, rigleyman@... wrote:
Does anyone have any DOCUMENTATION that might point to this being
exaggerated? Is there any truth to it? I've never heard of it for
just one egg.
>
> Judy

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1c. Re: the myth about egg yolks
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 9:53 am ((PDT))

Biotin

One of the B vitamins which plays an important role in cell
metabolism and the utilization of fats, proteins and carbohydrates.
Biotin is present in many foods including egg yolk and is synthesized
by the body. Avidin, one of the egg proteins, can combine with biotin
and make it unavailable. However, a human would have to eat 24 raw
egg whites a day for biotin to be inhibited by avidin. Heat
inactivates the avidin and most eggs are served cooked. -see Avidin

from: http://www.aeb.org/LearnMore/Eggcyclopedia/B.htm

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: <rigleyman@aol.com>

> I saw on another list that someone believes the egg white destroys the
vit B
> in the egg yolk. She feels the whole egg is nicely balanced in general
but
> she specifically wants extra vit B and so tosses the egg white. Does
anyone
> have any DOCUMENTATION that might point to this being exaggerated? Is
there
> any truth to it? I've never heard of it for just one egg.

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2a. Re: Doxie coming home from knee surgery
Posted by: "Pam Staley" pam@tlcnaturally.com mogalone2001
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 8:08 am ((PDT))

thanks so much for giving me some words of wisdom :-) .. just brought
him home a few minutes and he's already trying to chew on the cast -
it looks soooo uncomfortable!! and there are a few stitches that are
exposed so I'm sure he'll chew on them next.. the vet said everything
went well and while it did, doxies have funky little legs so while
they usually don't have to cast/wrap a leg after they put a pin in,
they do on these little guys..so he's in double wrap :-) ... I've got
him confined to a medium size cage with his blankie and his
'baby' (he carries around a little stuffed dog..I know I know..he's
so spoiled!) gave him some water - he was SOOOO thirsty...and then
proceeded to chew on the tape on the cast...so I said chew on this
and gave him a chicken back .. wish I would've read your note first!!
Will mushy up his next meal tomorrow... again, thanks for the
shoulder :-)

Pam
>
> I don't see any reason to stop feeding raw; why feed a recovering
> sicky dog unhealthy food? Makes no sense to me. I'm sure there
are
> other recovery issues to consider but none of them requires a
change
> from raw.
>
> Chris o
>

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2b. Re: Doxie coming home from knee surgery
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 8:30 am ((PDT))

"Pam Staley" <pam@...> wrote:
.and then
> proceeded to chew on the tape on the cast...so I said chew on this
> and gave him a chicken back .. wish I would've read your note first!!
> Will mushy up his next meal tomorrow...
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Pam, if there is no reason to mush his meals, don't. If the vet didn't
tell you to be careful with his throat and he's not rasping and
hacking, seems like whole food is still best.

And if you weren't given any specific advice about his post-op meds,
then that too would indicate that whole food is still best.

Sounds like a good chew is what he needs to take his mind off his cast.
Chris O

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3a. new member question
Posted by: "rawnewfie" rawnewfie@yahoo.com rawnewfie
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 8:12 am ((PDT))

I have been reading alot and I am convinced. I have a
ten year old retriever that hasd suffered for a long
time on kibble. Aural hematomas, raw chewed feet, etc...
In three weeks our baby newfoundland
will arrive we live in the deep south of the United
States (New Orleans) fresh meat and fish is not a
problem. I have two questions though.
1. Are there any types of grasses or plants that I
should maybe grow in my garden to promote good
digestion? We live in a pretty urban area.

2. What about say a feeder rat, or mice from the pet
store? We have lots of nutria in New Orleans as well.
Are their any limits. Fur and all?

3. Oh one more thing, Are my dogs going to eat outside
forever? Any good ideas for keeping the kitchen floor
from becoming a disaster everyday? as if I wont be
covered in black fur forever anyway.
Thanks,
Todd

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3b. Re: new member question
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 8:47 am ((PDT))

"rawnewfie" <rawnewfie@...> wrote:

> 1. Are there any types of grasses or plants that I
> should maybe grow in my garden to promote good
> digestion? We live in a pretty urban area.
*****
Dogs don't need veggies for digestion. Feed a good raw diet--body part
variety as well as protein variety--and digestion will follow
appropriately. You can plant some grass for whatever purposes your
dogs choose for it but that's not required nor even suggested. Just
keep the grass natural.

> 2. What about say a feeder rat, or mice from the pet
> store? We have lots of nutria in New Orleans as well.
> Are their any limits. Fur and all?
*****
I think Nutria is a grand idea. Since they're wild, they're eating a
good natural diet which will be healthier for your dogs. Since they're
a nuisance, you should be able to get them fresh without much
bureaucratic hassle. Since they're herbivores, you don't even have to
consider the "do I feed carnivores to a carnivore?" issue.

I think Nutria is a better choice than formula-fed rats and mice.
Humans can eat Nutria, so can your dogs.

> 3. Oh one more thing, Are my dogs going to eat outside
> forever?
*****
Up to you. Here in northern California, my dogs eat outside most of
the time; although I do feed young puppies and unwell ones inside as
needed. When I feed inside, I put down a towel or a cheap vinyl
tablecloth if the meal is an RMB or something complicated. For bowl
food, I just plunk down the bowl and that's that.

Any good ideas for keeping the kitchen floor
> from becoming a disaster everyday?
*****
Most of the time the dogs will tidy up after themselves. When they
miss a spot, a spritz with vinegar or vinegar water or or hydrogen
peroxide works just fine. You do not have to clean compulsively!
Chris O

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3c. Re: new member question
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 9:31 am ((PDT))

Hi, Todd!
What Chris said! ^_^

Have you been reading on *this* list?

You can get some mighty funny advice 'out there'......

Just in case, here's a link to my recommendations on how to start raw
feeding;
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/141374
archives post # 141374

And a link to what I think about where to feed;
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/141648
archives post # 141648

A couple other helpful links;

http://www.rawfed.com/myths/index.html

http://rawfeddogs.net/Recipes

Oooh, a Newfy pup! Great learning curve you'll experience, there. ; )
Be prepared for your pup to arrive home weighing upwards of 20lbs, if
about 8-10 weeks old. And to rapidly get bigger 'n stronger than you,
but NOT more coordinated or more self controlled. Newfs stay puppyish
well past their 2nd year, so don't be fooled by the 'bear in a china
shop' impersonation, it just takes them longer to mature than smaller
breeds.
Oh, and its not just black fur you'll be coated in; most Newfs look
like they've swallowed sneakers, with the laces hanging out either
side of their mouth. And there's the perpetual swamp at the water bowl
- giving themselves bloody noses trying to run under furniture that
they could fit under just yesterday - wiping drool off your friends
and acquaintances with the towel you've suddenly started carrying
everywhere with you - dust puppies bigger than some dogs, rolling
around out in the open - finding Newfy goobers; dried spit globs with
black hair in them on your walls, ceiling, TV screen..... heh heh
You're in for some fun!

Feeder rats 'n mice could get VERY expensive. Newf pups eat a lot! See
Lis' List for ways to creatively source cheap or free meats. Its
listed in the first link in the above text.
TC, let us know how ya'll progress!
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> I have been reading a lot and I am convinced. I have a
> ten year old retriever that had suffered for a long
> time on kibble.
<snip>
> 1. Are there any types of grasses or plants that I
> should maybe grow in my garden to promote good
> digestion?
<snip>
> 2. What about say a feeder rat, or mice from the pet
> store?
<snip>
> 3. Oh one more thing, Are my dogs going to eat outside
> forever?
<snip>
> Thanks,
> Todd
>

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4a. Re: Please Explain
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 8:19 am ((PDT))

"Monica A. Joy" <imajoy@...> wrote:
>
> Chris O.
>
> What is a big, complicated, engrossing meal exactly?
*****
Exactly what Giselle wrote is as exactly as I could ever get!
Thank you, Giselle.
Chris O

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4b. Re: Please Explain
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 11:32 am ((PDT))

NPs, Chris, it was a pleasure! ^_^
G

> "Monica A. Joy" <imajoy@> wrote:
> >
> > Chris O.
> >
> > What is a big, complicated, engrossing meal exactly?
> *****
> Exactly what Giselle wrote is as exactly as I could ever get!
> Thank you, Giselle.
> Chris O

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5a. What Easy to Get Meaty Bones will Really Clean my BIG Dog's Canine T
Posted by: "melanieabrams" melanieabrams@yahoo.com melanieabrams
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 8:41 am ((PDT))

My husband was noticing yesterday that our 2 year old, 70 lb total
mutt has gunk (tartar?) on her canines. I read a post here a week or
so ago about the dogs needing to really rip and tear to give the
canine teeth a workout. Are there any specific meaty bones you can
recommend that will do this? She works at her chicken halves, but I
don't think this is doing it. Easy to get stuff would be appreciated;
I can order more obscure things from the co op but not until next month.

Thanks!
Melanie, and Clio the dog

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5b. Re: What Easy to Get Meaty Bones will Really Clean my BIG Dog's Cani
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 8:56 am ((PDT))

"melanieabrams" <melanieabrams@...> wrote:
Are there any specific meaty bones you can
> recommend that will do this?
*****
Meaty bones are less likely to do than trick than meaty bodies or meaty
body parts. You could try a whole chicken; at 70lb she can handle a
big-meal day followed by a no-meal or small-meal day. Or you can try a
whole cornish game hen but my guess is that'll take her all of five
minutes to eat.

Try a pork shoulder roast with skin on. That skin is tough! See if
you can get an uncut beef shank. The bone is virtualy inedible but
she'll have to struggle to get the meat off it. Or try a turkey
quarter. Whole, furry rabbit is excellent, if you can get it. Note,
frozen meat hunks are not likely to clean the canines. Frozen food is
generally sliced off with the molars; canines need meat they can grab
onto.

Unless you belong to a broad-minded coop, most coop buys are not about
seriously meaty body parts. You may have to rely on local resources.
Chris Ostrowski

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5c. Re: What Easy to Get Meaty Bones will Really Clean my BIG Dog's Cani
Posted by: "Trisha" LTLAPPLESEEDS@YAHOO.COM ltlappleseeds
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 9:00 am ((PDT))

Hi Melanie,

My big guy gets pork roasts, or even better are the whole legs. The skin on the leg is rather tough and he has to really work at it.The roast at the store doesn't have any skin, but its more work than chicken.

Trisha

melanieabrams <melanieabrams@yahoo.com> wrote:
..... She works at her chicken halves, but I
don't think this is doing it. Easy to get stuff would be appreciated;
I can order more obscure things from the co op but not until next month.

Thanks!
Melanie, and Clio the dog

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5d. Re: What Easy to Get Meaty Bones will Really Clean my BIG Dog's Cani
Posted by: "steph.sorensen" steph.sorensen@yahoo.com steph.sorensen
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 12:40 pm ((PDT))

I have only been doing this for three weeks, but after the first week,
I started feeding my two girls (a pit bull and a lab) things like a
rack of beef ribs, a whole pork shoulder apiece, bone-in venison
shoulders and different cuts that were available, as well as the
chicken.

I just noticed this morning that every single bit of plaque that had
started to show on my pit's teeth (she just turned 3) is completely
gone! I think it is the variety of bone that does it. Chicken bones
are softer, so they alone may not be enough to scrape some really
serious plaque. But pork and beef bones require a lot more work to
break down (my girls don't eat the beef rib bones. They clean the meat
off better than ants though! I was impressed!).

I really think the secret is in the variety giving them different
strengths of bones to work on. They seem to really love pork and
venison meat and bones. Those will definitely be regular feedings.

Hope that helps!

-Steph
Scarlet, Lucy, and Minkey (the kitty)

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "melanieabrams" <melanieabrams@...>
wrote:
>
> My husband was noticing yesterday that our 2 year old, 70 lb total
> mutt has gunk (tartar?) on her canines. I read a post here a week or
> so ago about the dogs needing to really rip and tear to give the
> canine teeth a workout. Are there any specific meaty bones you can
> recommend that will do this? She works at her chicken halves, but I
> don't think this is doing it. Easy to get stuff would be appreciated;
> I can order more obscure things from the co op but not until next
month.
>
> Thanks!
> Melanie, and Clio the dog
>

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6a. I have a question...
Posted by: "Cindy Marabito" doggirl1@earthlink.net rowdycowgirl50
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 9:09 am ((PDT))

Buddy, my 17 year old cat recently has been hacking..it's a dry hack
and complicated by his IBD in which he vomits from time to time. We
are treating homeopathically for this and he's showing improvement
regarding the vomiting...however, now, Candy, my 16 year old is
hacking...the best example I can offer is years ago, Roy's (my 18
year old) brother Ray, used to hack like that and was diagnosed with
asthma. I mentioned this to my homeopathic vet and he said it would
be really weird for all of the cats to suddenly come down with asthma.

Have any of you ever had this experience? I'm fishing for ideas.
Thank you so much, Cindy

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6b. Re: I have a question...
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 9:50 am ((PDT))

Hi, Cindy!
I almost said kennel cough, but then realized you had cats!

Its most likely to be fur balls. Try a 1/2 teaspoon of oil; Salmon or
Fish Body oil, or plain old olive oil will do the trick, too. You can
give it for a few days in a row, until you see a furry poop. Or a
'present' on your new couch or comforter. : )
http://timberwolforganics.com/pet-omega-oils

http://www.icelandpure.com/salmon_oil.htm

http://www.grizzlypetproducts.com/salmon_oil/salmon_oil.html

I've never tried it for this, but Slippery Elm Bark Powder might do
the trick. It soothes irritated digestive tracts by coating them in
mucous, so it should work on getting hairballs to pass, too.
"SEBP is “used to treat diarrhea, constipation, enteritis, colitis &
irritations of the stomach. Used to soothe, protect & lubricate mucous
membranes. Also, used to relieve the discomforts of kennel cough &
other types of bronchitis.”
http://fiascofarm.com/herbs/supplements.htm
I use 1 tsp of SEBP to one ounce of ground or chopped chicken. Mix
together and shape enough meatballs for several days doses, and freeze
them. They thaw quickly. I'd shape meatballs into 1/2 ounce portions,
and feed one 3-4 times a day. Decrease the meal size temporarily, and
feed them before a meal. You can also just sprinkle on their food, or
in broth instead, if they will eat/drink it this way. You will often
see an increase in mucousy poops with SEBP, this is part of the way it
soothes the digestive system, and the dog’s body will do the same
sometimes even without SEBP."
TC, let us know what turns up.
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

p.s. - have you tried smaller, more frequent meals for your IBD guy?
Leaner meats 'n trimming off visible fat 'n some skin can help. Warm
food (not straight out of the fridge) helps some, too. SEBP is great
for IBD flares.

> Buddy, my 17 year old cat recently has been hacking. It's a dry hack
> and complicated by his IBD in which he vomits from time to time. <snip>
> Have any of you ever had this experience? I'm fishing for ideas.
> Thank you so much, Cindy

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7a. Bone shards in cat vomit
Posted by: "purvisp" purvisp@yahoo.com purvisp
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 9:50 am ((PDT))

I've been feeding my cat ground whole raw for five months. I switched
to whole prey about two weeks ago and I'm getting a pile of yellowish
foam with a fur ball the size of my (small) thumb and a few bone
shards every other day or so.

I've been searching messages here in the group, but I can't understand
why bone shards in vomit are NOT a cause for concern.

Please enlighten me.

Thanks,
Patricia

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7b. Re: Bone shards in cat vomit
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:38 am ((PDT))

Hi, Patricia!
Because you've been doing the cat's work, by feeding
ground meat 'n bones, her digestive system hasn't been able to adjust
to processing whole meats 'n bone chunks.

Its not a problem;
1) because you're seeing that the cat's digestive system is doing its
job - the shards are coming up because they've sat in the tummy for
long enough, and her body is saying "Too much right now, no thanks!"
Just because its inconvenient for us, doesn't mean its a wrong thing
for the cat to do.

2) because, once your cat's body adjusts to digesting real meat 'n
bones, not ground, it will do a better job of processing it. You will
gradually see less and less BBV. (Bones 'n Bile Vomit)

3) furballs often are horked up, not passed in the stool. Bones that
aren't digested yet will come up at the same time. Are your cats
shedding more right now? It could be seasonal, or they could be
shucking their old coats 'n growing new, 'raw fed' coats. Increased
grooming due to increased shedding - that might explain the frequency
of the horked up furballs with BBV. you might want to brush them more
frequently for awhile, to help get all that 'old coat' out faster.

Also, depending on the whole prey you're feeding, some of the bones
may be a little too hard for your cat's digestive system to handle.
Cats are smaller carnivores, after all. And their traditional prey
would provide small meals with easy to digest bones, and necessitate
frequent meals, which is what cat's have evolved to need.

Have you tried species appropriate sized prey for cats? Mice, even
small rats maybe, small rabbits or kit culls, chicks, quail are prey
one would expect that a cat could catch on its own. Small fish would
be appropriate, too.
http://www.prey4pets.com/servlet/StoreFront

http://www.hare-today.com/index.php?cPath=23

http://www.rodentpro.com/products.asp

A bunch of interesting stuff I turned up about cats;
African Wildcat
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felis_silvestris_lybica

About 10,000 years ago, some Felis silvestris lybica individuals were
domesticated in the Middle East. Modern domestic cats are derived from
at least five "Mitochondrial Eves". None of the other subspecies of
Felis silvestris contributed to the domestic breed, and many of those
subspecies own mtDNA is being swamped by interbreeding with feral cats.

The African Wildcat eats primarily mice, rats and other small mammals.
If the situation permits, it also eats birds, reptiles, amphibians and
insects.

Cat
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat

A skilled predator, the cat is known to hunt over 1,000 species for food.

Cats can be fussy eaters, possibly due to the mutation which caused
their ancestor to lose the ability to taste sugars. Unlike most
mammals, cats can voluntarily starve themselves indefinitely despite
being presented with palatable food, even a food which they had
previously readily consumed. This can happen when the vomeronasal or
Jacobson's organ becomes accustomed to a specific food, or if the cats
are spoiled by their owners, in which case the cat will reject any
food that does not fit the pattern it is expecting. It is also known
for cats to merely become bored with their given food and decide to
stop eating until they are tempted into eating again. Although it is
extremely rare for a cat to deliberately starve itself to the point of
injury, the sudden loss of weight can cause a fatal condition called
hepatic lipidosis, a liver dysfunction which causes pathological loss
of appetite and reinforces the starvation, which can lead to death
within as little as 48 hours.

http://www.blakkatz.com/dryfood.html

The domestic cat's stomach, which is quite small, has two purposes. It
holds the food and it is not necessary to hold a lot of food because
the natural food of the cat is nutrient dense. Small wild cats hunt
more frequently than their larger cousins because their prey is smaller.

HTH, Patricia, it was fun for me! : )
TC and let us know how the cats are doing, from time to time.
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> I've been feeding my cat ground whole raw for five months. I switched
> to whole prey about two weeks ago and I'm getting a pile of yellowish
> foam with a fur ball the size of my (small) thumb and a few bone
> shards every other day or so.
>
> I've been searching messages here in the group, but I can't understand
> why bone shards in vomit are NOT a cause for concern.
>
> Please enlighten me.
>
> Thanks,
> Patricia
>

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8. raw salmon
Posted by: "T. S." JoeTheLion1@yahoo.com joethelion1
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 12:39 pm ((PDT))

is it okay to feed raw salmon including the backbone?

t.s.
ensenada, mexico

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9. Places to feed inside
Posted by: "cleone4100@aol.com" cleone4100@aol.com cleone4100
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 12:39 pm ((PDT))

Just thought I would throw this in, my dogs are trained to eat their bones
on one 'blanket', one for each dog, which I then throw in the washer when they
are done. I use doggie car blankets that have a smooth fabric on one side so
the food doesn't get stuck to it too much. Makes for easy clean-up and they
like having their special places to eat in peace. Carey

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10. New To the group
Posted by: "jerseykev@aol.com" jerseykev@aol.com noblarneyzone
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 1:31 pm ((PDT))

Hello everyone.

I live on the Jersey Shore with my number one Mastiff "Baby Independence" -
Baby for short.

I am developing GuardiansByTheSea.com and need as much info on raw feeding
as I can get.

Baby is 4 1/2 months and I am much older.

Glad to be apart of the group.

Kevin & Baby

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11a. Re: Just moved to raw
Posted by: "Kristin" girlndocs@hotmail.com girlndocs
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 1:32 pm ((PDT))

Hi Nasser,

> if she is fed
> outside she will cover her food with sand and go. When fed indoors she
> tries to do the same thing of covering the food with sand but rubs her
> nose on the hard floor.

Zoe did the same thing for some time. Not only the "burying" (indoors, under
things like her crate blanket, her leash and the doormat) but the startled
nose rubbing as if to say "Hey! Food's not supposed to be wet!" and the
resigned "Oh, OK, if I gotta" eating.

She's been eating raw for about three weeks now and dives into her meals
with relish -- walks around hopefully with her nose in the air when I get
out a whole raw chicken.

So, you didn't say exactly how long you've been raw, but my guess is that
all of it will pass.

Kristin

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12a. Why is my Beagle so disgusting?
Posted by: "never_connected" never_connected@yahoo.com never_connected
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 1:32 pm ((PDT))

Ok, it's bad enough he will stick his face under a kibble dog's butt
and eat her crap as she's going. (he doesn't eat his own crap or raw
dog crap) He'll try and eat duck and other huge bird crap at the park.

Then he eats rotting meat that's been left outside for days. Like a
good meaty chunk of beef with flies and bees all over it. Something
that got left outside because someone didn't finish a meal and he just
came across it. And this is a Beagle..why is he not hunting/sniffing
out the meat when it's still fresh anyway?

Today, my other dog threw up bile because I didn't feed him last
night. Guess who ate the bile?

Like what is wrong with this dog or what is he lacking nutritionally
to make him eat things like this? He's just....gross.

UGH.
Jen

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12b. Re: Why is my Beagle so disgusting?
Posted by: "woofwoofgrrl" cmc4lists1@gastrounit.com woofwoofgrrl
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 2:08 pm ((PDT))

Congratulations you have a DOG!
All of the things you described are dogalicious behavior!

Think of it like a toddler eating a gummy bear off the sidewalk - it
won't hurt him and they think it tastes great, but it grosses you out!
Same thing. :)

You can do some training to deal with the poo-eating at the park by
training him to focus on you because *you* are the source for tasty
num-nums while at the park, although it won't cure it will make him less
likely to do it around you. The other stuff is really getting yourself
going on a prevention program - if it's not in the yard, he can't eat
it. I will stop talking training now before the ModSquad yells at me. :)

Christine

never_connected wrote:
>
>
> Ok, it's bad enough he will stick his face under a kibble dog's butt
> and eat her crap as she's going. (he doesn't eat his own crap or raw
> dog crap) He'll try and eat duck and other huge bird crap at the park.
>
> Then he eats rotting meat that's been left outside for days. Like a
> good meaty chunk of beef with flies and bees all over it. Something
> that got left outside because someone didn't finish a meal and he just
> came across it. And this is a Beagle..why is he not hunting/sniffing
> out the meat when it's still fresh anyway?
>
> Today, my other dog threw up bile because I didn't feed him last
> night. Guess who ate the bile?
>
> Like what is wrong with this dog or what is he lacking nutritionally
> to make him eat things like this? He's just....gross.
>
> UGH.
> Jen
>
>

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13. HELP PLEASE? AVOCADO PIT :(((
Posted by: "Cdandp2@aol.com" Cdandp2@aol.com cdandp
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 1:33 pm ((PDT))

Spencer swallowed an avocado pit in the park today before I could get it
from him....sigh. Everything I looked up says "toxic" "poison" damage to
heart/lungs (the guy already has heartworms in there...sigh).

PLEASE if anyone has any info/suggestions/etc to calm me down please send
them along. I hope this will get through. I don't know where else to turn for
advice/help.

Carol for Spencer

Also for everyone's information, I guess the thing in urgan parks these days
is for people to consume whole avocados and then just toss the skin and pit
on the ground rather than in the trash bin which, BTW, was only 2 feet away
!!!!!!*&*(^&%$#@#$)!!!!!!!!!

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