[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12056

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. How much meat on bones?
From: Greg Falken
1b. Re: How much meat on bones?
From: cypressbunny
1c. Re: How much meat on bones?
From: costrowski75

2a. Re: New raw feeder
From: cleone4100@aol.com
2b. Re: New raw feeder
From: cleone4100@aol.com
2c. Re: New raw feeder
From: cleone4100@aol.com
2d. Re: New raw feeder
From: cypressbunny
2e. Re: New raw feeder
From: costrowski75
2f. Re: New raw feeder
From: Sandee Lee
2g. Re: New raw feeder
From: cypressbunny

3a. Re: Doxie coming home from knee surgery
From: costrowski75

4a. Re: Constipation??
From: costrowski75
4b. Re: Constipation??
From: Sandee Lee

5a. Re: Houston meat suppliers - Anyone have suggestions?
From: Denise Strother

6a. conversation at work.
From: DebiC
6b. Re: conversation at work.
From: Brandi Bryant

7a. Re: I think my puppy is allergic to chicken -getting desperate-
From: one_sojourner_one

8a. Re: All In...
From: Giselle
8b. Re: All In...
From: eyed_blue
8c. Re: All In...
From: MELISSA DANIELSON
8d. Re: All In...
From: Giselle

9a. Please Explain
From: Monica A. Joy
9b. Re: Please Explain
From: Giselle

10a. Re: New-- with Puppy and diarrhea
From: Giselle

11. Constipation / Update
From: Virginia Snider

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1a. How much meat on bones?
Posted by: "Greg Falken" yahoo@falken.name gfalken
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:20 pm ((PDT))

Hi,

I'm a little confused about what I'm reading in Work Wonders. In
Chapter 2, Dr. Lonsdale recommends, "turkey and checking backs and
frames after the meat has been removed for human consumption". I'm
also reading about people feeding chicken quarters, presumably with
all the meat intact.

We just brought home our one year old rescue Corgi and two packages of
chicken quarters. Each quarter is about the right weight for a daily
meal (a little under a pound). Should we just feed the whole thing?

Thanks in advance,
Greg

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1b. Re: How much meat on bones?
Posted by: "cypressbunny" cypressbunny@yahoo.com cypressbunny
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:25 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Falken" <yahoo@...> wrote:
>
> In Chapter 2, Dr. Lonsdale recommends, "turkey and checking backs
and frames after the meat has been removed

*** Backs/frames can be a cheap source of bone with some meat, but
by themselves they are too bony.

> I'm
> also reading about people feeding chicken quarters, presumably with
> all the meat intact.

*** Chicken quarters are fine to feed. Even better, the entire
chicken. If you find a cheap source of backs/frames, great, but you
should probably add some boneless meat. Every meal does not have to
have the perfect proportion of meat, bone, and organ, but over time,
bone should be around 15% of the total, organ should be around 10%
of the total (not including guts), and meat should make up the
majority of the diet.

> Each quarter is about the right weight for a daily
> meal (a little under a pound). Should we just feed the whole thing?

*** Yes.

--Carrie

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1c. Re: How much meat on bones?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:40 pm ((PDT))

"Greg Falken" <yahoo@...> wrote:
> I'm a little confused about what I'm reading in Work Wonders. In
> Chapter 2, Dr. Lonsdale recommends, "turkey and checking backs and
> frames after the meat has been removed for human consumption". I'm
> also reading about people feeding chicken quarters, presumably with
> all the meat intact.
*****
Our dogs need little more than 10% of their nutritional intake as
edible bone. That's not a lot of bone; even if you never actually
weigh or measure it, it's clearly not a big part of the menu. Our dogs
need lots and lots of meat--as much as 80% of their diet. Once you
look at the guidelines Ma Nature set out a LOOONNNG time ago, you
should be able to decide which is more appropriate: bones "after the
meat has been removed..." or chicken quarters "with all the meat
intact."

> > We just brought home our one year old rescue Corgi and two packages
of> chicken quarters. Each quarter is about the right weight for a daily
> meal (a little under a pound). Should we just feed the whole thing?
*****
Yes, absolutely. Chicken quarters carry quite a lot of bone; you do
not need to remove any meat.

To be fair (who? me? fair?), feeding scraped consumable bones is
tolerable if the rest of the menu is virtually awash in meat. Most
people feed more consumable bone than they need to feed, more than
their dogs need to eat. Nutritionally, you cannot go wrong feeding
meat.
Chris O

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2a. Re: New raw feeder
Posted by: "cleone4100@aol.com" cleone4100@aol.com cleone4100
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:22 pm ((PDT))

Thanks Yassy, I guess I figured since they eat whatever they can find in our
yard (horse manure, rabbits, squirrels, rats, lizards etc.) I could just
give them whatever I found on sale at the grocery store. I will start now with
just chicken (I've got a lot of that) and proceed to other foods when I am
seeing firm stools. Carey

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2b. Re: New raw feeder
Posted by: "cleone4100@aol.com" cleone4100@aol.com cleone4100
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:22 pm ((PDT))

Great, thank you for the info! I will simplify their dietand increase
quantity a little, and will start looking for slaughterhouse or other source for
internal organs. Was just giving cheese because I could get it cheap and they
love it. I will save it now for treats only. Carey

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2c. Re: New raw feeder
Posted by: "cleone4100@aol.com" cleone4100@aol.com cleone4100
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:22 pm ((PDT))

Oh, and on the eggs, I attended a Whole Pet Expo in SF about 5 years ago and
they said raw yolk was okay but raw white was not. And since I only eat the
white, it works out good, no waste! Carey

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2d. Re: New raw feeder
Posted by: "cypressbunny" cypressbunny@yahoo.com cypressbunny
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:29 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, cleone4100@... wrote:
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> Oh, and on the eggs, I attended a Whole Pet Expo in SF about 5 years
ago and
> they said raw yolk was okay but raw white was not.

*** Pfft. The whole raw egg is ok. The white contains avidin, which
binds biotin, but the yolk contains more than enough biotin to prevent
biotin deficiency. If you are eating the whites and have the yolks to
spare, it is fine to feed them to the dogs, but there is no reason not
to feed whole eggs to dogs.

--Carrie

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2e. Re: New raw feeder
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:30 pm ((PDT))

Howard Salob <itiskismet1968@...> wrote:
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> Try giving green tripe. It makes a big difference.
*****
Difference in what?
Chris O

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2f. Re: New raw feeder
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:35 pm ((PDT))

Nonsense! Eggs are perfect just as they come! Nature knows best! :)

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: <cleone4100@aol.com>

> Oh, and on the eggs, I attended a Whole Pet Expo in SF about 5 years ago
and
> they said raw yolk was okay but raw white was not. And since I only eat
the
> white, it works out good, no waste! Carey

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2g. Re: New raw feeder
Posted by: "cypressbunny" cypressbunny@yahoo.com cypressbunny
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:42 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "cleone4100" <cleone4100@...>
wrote:
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> Is a soft or runny stool normal?

*** It might be, for dogs new to raw, or meals that have no bone or
a
lot of organ.

> Once they have eaten, how long does it usually take for
> them to need to eliminate?

*** I usually feed gorge/fast style, which means I feed a huge meal,
and then don't feed for another couple of days. After a large meal,
it
is usually 6-8 hours before they need to go out. So, I usually feed
in
the morning or late in the evening.

*** Since you and your dogs are new to raw, give yourself and your
dogs some leeway during the adjustment period, until you learn what
they will do. Even though I've been feeding raw for years, one or
another of the dogs occasionally asks to go out in the middle of the
night. Annoying, but better than cleaning up the mess later. And
almost any inconvience is worth it considering the vast health
improvements that feeding raw brings.

--Carrie

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3a. Re: Doxie coming home from knee surgery
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:51 pm ((PDT))

"Pam Staley" <pam@...> wrote:
Anyway - I'm wondering if there is any
> 'meat' that would be better for him during his recovery or should I
> just continue our raw diet once he gets home?
*****
Poor Benson, and poor (literally and figurately) you. I sooooo
understand. A huge bite no matter how you look at it. Feh.

IMO what could be potential worries are
--an irritated throat following entubation; that can be addressed by
feeding sloppy food for a few days.
--limited activity during recuperation; you might feed easy food that
requires no wrestling.
--medications that might constipate the patient; going easy on edible
bone and feeding more of that sloppy food can help.
--meds that might dull his appetite; don't worry unless the course of
medication is lengthy, in the meatime stuff he really likes and isn't
hard to eat (sloppy and easy) might tempt him.

I don't see any reason to stop feeding raw; why feed a recovering
sicky dog unhealthy food? Makes no sense to me. I'm sure there are
other recovery issues to consider but none of them requires a change
from raw.

Chris o

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4a. Re: Constipation??
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:08 pm ((PDT))

"Virginia Snider" <vsnider@...> wrote:
>> He eats all his food and is on beef, chicken, duck gizzards and
chicken
> hearts. Problem is, all now he seems constipated. When I first
got him
> about a month ago he was on cheap crunchie and would go 4 x a day.
Then
> after raw started he went down to 2x and better formed. He hasn't
done
> anything in over 24 hours except a teenie dud that wasn't worth the
effort.
*****
How much bone is in these meals, how much meat? Lots of bone will
slow things down; lots of meat for a dog with a good digestion may
slow things down as well simply because so much is used and so little
is waste. Nothing for twenty fours doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

We really need to know more about his diet. What ALL did you feed
him prior to this lack of activity?

If you just can't stand not seeing stool, you can give him some liver
or some salmon oil or even olive oil to lube them tubes. But if he's
a happy fella and is drinking plenty, I think there's little to be
concerned about.

> Also, is there any reason he can't eat sweet potatoes?
*****
Hm, you mean other than the fact that raw they are not going to be
digested and cooked they aren't raw? Or other than the fact that
they aren't species appropriate food? Well, sweet potato is high
glycemic carbohydrate that your dog has no nutritional need for.

If you intend to feed SP to fix his stools, I suggest they aren't
broken (or at least you don't know that yet), so there's nothing to
fix. Later, if the kid really does need some assistance, a big old
dose of liver or fatty meat should clean him out.

Let us know, okay?
Chris O

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4b. Re: Constipation??
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:10 pm ((PDT))

Virginia,

He sounds totally normal...and very cute! :) If he looks like he is
straining, you could add more meat, but once a day is perfectly fine when
being fed a diet that is actually usable to his system.

Sweet potatoes as a snack would be fine as long as he doesn't have any
yeasty issues!!

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Virginia Snider" <vsnider@cogeco.ca>
>
> He eats all his food and is on beef, chicken, duck gizzards and chicken
> hearts. Problem is, all now he seems constipated. When I first got him
> about a month ago he was on cheap crunchie and would go 4 x a day. Then
> after raw started he went down to 2x and better formed. He hasn't done
> anything in over 24 hours except a teenie dud that wasn't worth the
effort.
>
>
> I am getting worried, (first dog), but he is still full of energy and
> hungry. Drinking lots of water. Any ideas?
>
> Also, is there any reason he can't eat sweet potatoes?

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5a. Re: Houston meat suppliers - Anyone have suggestions?
Posted by: "Denise Strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:16 pm ((PDT))

Hi Kae,
Here in Houston I find a lot of meat at Food Town, Fiesta and asian
markets around town. I get goat and lamb from a couple of wholesalers.
The last time I got a 6-way cut goat it was 2.14/lb as opposed to 4.99.
Email me privately and I will send you a list of the places I use.
Denise

> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "kaebruney" <kaebruney@> wrote:
> I was wondering if anyone in Houston or
> > the SE Texas area had a reliable supplier they buy from?
>

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6a. conversation at work.
Posted by: "DebiC" dcole6@satx.rr.com scarlet_debi
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:15 pm ((PDT))

I had this conversation at work yesterday and thought you all could relate to my frustration and desk head moment.

I had an interesting/funny/sad discussion with one of my coworkers the other day. Started out by talking about refrigerators.

I said I keep my dog food in the one in the garage. When she asked what kind of dog food, I told her meat. (She has Dalmatians as her son is a fireman. I have Jack Russells.)

What kind of meat?

Beef, chicken, pork, fish when I can get it.

Do I cook it?

No.

You feed it RAW!!

Yep.

Raw meat is not good for dogs. Do you give them bones too?

Yep, raw bones.

Raw meet is bad for dogs. It makes them mean. Bones will kill them.

Look, in the wild, coyotes wolves and foxes eat raw meat.

But these are dogs and raw meat will make them sick.

What's the difference between a German Shepherd and a coyote?

One's a dog the other is a wild animal.

I finally quit. She actually didn't see the comparison.
I am now a bad person cause I feed my dogs what nature intended them to eat. I give up.

My horse Scarlet is fed hay and grass. She doesn't get grain at all. I'm just plain evil.

Debi Cole

COLD NOSES AND WARM HEARTS
http://www.geocities.com/jrtbook4me/COLD_NOSES.html
A Pet Is A Lifetime Committment!

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6b. Re: conversation at work.
Posted by: "Brandi Bryant" bbryant573@gmail.com bbryant573
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:01 pm ((PDT))

>>>I finally quit. She actually didn't see the comparison.
I am now a bad person cause I feed my dogs what nature intended them to eat.
I give up. <<<
DebiC
Think of it this way your Jack Russels are going to 10 better looking then
her son's Dalmation!!!

Brandi
Bartlesville, OK

On 9/21/07, DebiC <dcole6@satx.rr.com> wrote:
>
> I had this conversation at work yesterday and thought you all could
> relate to my frustration and desk head moment.
>
> I had an interesting/funny/sad discussion with one of my coworkers the
> other day. Started out by talking about refrigerators.
>
> I said I keep my dog food in the one in the garage. When she asked what
> kind of dog food, I told her meat. (She has Dalmatians as her son is a
> fireman. I have Jack Russells.)
>
> What kind of meat?
>
> Beef, chicken, pork, fish when I can get it.
>
> Do I cook it?
>
> No.
>
> You feed it RAW!!
>
> Yep.
>
> Raw meat is not good for dogs. Do you give them bones too?
>
> Yep, raw bones.
>
> Raw meet is bad for dogs. It makes them mean. Bones will kill them.
>
> Look, in the wild, coyotes wolves and foxes eat raw meat.
>
> But these are dogs and raw meat will make them sick.
>
> What's the difference between a German Shepherd and a coyote?
>
> One's a dog the other is a wild animal.
>
> I finally quit. She actually didn't see the comparison.
> I am now a bad person cause I feed my dogs what nature intended them to
> eat. I give up.
>
> My horse Scarlet is fed hay and grass. She doesn't get grain at all. I'm
> just plain evil.
>
> Debi Cole
>
> COLD NOSES AND WARM HEARTS
> http://www.geocities.com/jrtbook4me/COLD_NOSES.html
> A Pet Is A Lifetime Committment!
>
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>
>
>

--
Brandi
Bartlesville, Ok
www.obediencetrainingclubofbartlesville.com

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7a. Re: I think my puppy is allergic to chicken -getting desperate-
Posted by: "one_sojourner_one" onesojourner@gmail.com one_sojourner_one
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:59 pm ((PDT))

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Ther was no variety. He was eating chicken and nothing else. He is now
eating beef and he actually eats it like he likes it. I think he
dislikes the taste of chicken enough that he would rather go hungry
and when he is really hungry he just pukes it up. I have some pork
ribs that I may try for lunch tomorrow.

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8a. Re: All In...
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:20 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Will!
Welcome to the raw side! ^_^

After the initial 'figuring things out' period, and tweaking your
plans so it works for you and your dogs, its embarrassingly easy to
feed raw.

My list of recommendations to start out with (and a list to figure out
how to source cheap/free meats);
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/141374

My thoughts on the "Where to Feed?" Q;
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/141648

The consensus on THIS list, which supports a species appropriate raw
whole prey model diet, is; no veggies, no fruits, no grains, no
grinding - not necessary.
Mixed meats - only after introducing new proteins slowly and allowing
these previously cereal fed dogs digestive systems to adapt properly
to raw.
Think bigger pieces, rather than smaller - no chicken wings unless
still attached to the chicken breast.

Print this info out if you like, and search the archives for other's
posts on the subjects that concern you and print those out, talk
everything over with your wife - highlight relevant &/or alternate
options for concerns you have.

You might enjoy exploring the links on this webpage together;
http://www.rawfed.com/myths/index.html

TC, and keep us current with your progress!
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> Hello all,
>
> Today is the day 'we' take the plunge: Molly - Doberman, hound, ? mix
> (2 years old, 55 lbs); Jaz - terrier, shepherd, ? mix (3 years old 50
> lbs) ; Ruger - Decker Rat Terrier (2 years old, 38 lbs); and Chloe -
> Jack Russel Terrier (9 years old, 16 lbs). Three girls and a boy.
> All rescues.
>
> I am on board with this 100%. My wife - not so much.
<snip>
>
> Again, any help is GREATLY appreciated.
>
> WMT
>

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8b. Re: All In...
Posted by: "eyed_blue" eyed_blue@yahoo.co.uk eyed_blue
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 3:56 am ((PDT))

Hi Will,

My dog has a crate but does not really like to eat in it so since its
not light/dry at night here just now, he has moved from the back
garden to the kitchen. I have hard flooring throughout, so to me this
is not a problem, I just disinfect the floor when he is done. I think
this is the best way as I can keep an eye on him when he gets to the
bone.

I have heard of people letting them eat from a plastic sheeting if
they have carpets.

Combining meats can be great, especially if you have a dog like mine
who is not food motivated as it keeps them interested, however to
start off with I just gave mine one single protein source, in a mince
(ground) form until he was fine, then introduced another source....For
my pup this was every three days. You can introduce bones for the
offset but maybe your dog is better with the minces that include
ground bone if he has been kibble fed for a long time. I wouldnt keep
them on just the minces for too long though.

Once you watch your dogs eating (appropriate sized)bones you will
realise for yourself how natural it is to them and how the have to
think which teeth they use for what part.....They relax more once its
consumed... Chicken wings are a bit small for mine (Doberman)so I
hold them while he munches on them. Prefer quarters.

Now that he is used to raw I try just to feed meaty bones but cant
always get them so keep minces in the freezer. Beef bones are a
recreational treat bone, they are too hard to serve for a meal and if
the dog is only getting these as bones then they will likley chip
their teeth...
I find lamb necks are good, perhaps you could start with these?
Most lamb bones are nice and soft for them and remember you want
MEATY bones. I would not feed bonemeal as its been sterilised and
this will lack some of the natural goodness that raw feeding is all
about, but a raw fed dog with bonemeal is probably still healthier
than a kibble fed dog, IMO

I dont think that they need veg/fruit as I tried it a couple of times
and just got runny poop as a result, however I think they have a place
in the form of treats. cubes of apple..

I have given mine pureed pumpkin before and mixed it through minced
meats when he has had a dodgy tum and it seems to work for him.

Sorry its a bit long winded,
Hope this has been of some help,

Natalie

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8c. Re: All In...
Posted by: "MELISSA DANIELSON" mdanielson07@q.com mdmeadows65
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 3:57 am ((PDT))

Hi,
I recently wrote to raw feeding and was wondering how much raw food do you feed your dog. I have a miniture doxin who weighs about 15 to 20 lbs and a huge golden retreiver who weighs about 100. Have any ideas ? I searched the raw feeding site and could'nt find a feeding guideline
thanks
Melissa

To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.comFrom: megan.giselle@gmail.comDate: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 04:20:20 +0000Subject: [rawfeeding] Re: All In...

Hi, Will!Welcome to the raw side! ^_^After the initial 'figuring things out' period, and tweaking yourplans so it works for you and your dogs, its embarrassingly easy tofeed raw.My list of recommendations to start out with (and a list to figure outhow to source cheap/free meats);http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/141374My thoughts on the "Where to Feed?" Q;http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/141648The consensus on THIS list, which supports a species appropriate rawwhole prey model diet, is; no veggies, no fruits, no grains, nogrinding - not necessary. Mixed meats - only after introducing new proteins slowly and allowingthese previously cereal fed dogs digestive systems to adapt properlyto raw. Think bigger pieces, rather than smaller - no chicken wings unlessstill attached to the chicken breast. Print this info out if you like, and search the archives for other'sposts on the subjects that concern you and print those out, talkeverything over with your wife - highlight relevant &/or alternateoptions for concerns you have.You might enjoy exploring the links on this webpage together;http://www.rawfed.com/myths/index.htmlTC, and keep us current with your progress!Gisellewith Bea in New Jersey> Hello all,> > Today is the day 'we' take the plunge: Molly - Doberman, hound, ? mix > (2 years old, 55 lbs); Jaz - terrier, shepherd, ? mix (3 years old 50 > lbs) ; Ruger - Decker Rat Terrier (2 years old, 38 lbs); and Chloe - > Jack Russel Terrier (9 years old, 16 lbs). Three girls and a boy. > All rescues.> > I am on board with this 100%. My wife - not so much. <snip>> > Again, any help is GREATLY appreciated.> > WMT>

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8d. Re: All In...
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 4:47 am ((PDT))

Feeding guideline (and many other tips) is in here:
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/141374

Recipes;
http://rawfeddogs.net/Recipes

> I recently wrote to raw feeding and was wondering how much raw food
do you feed your dog. I have a miniature Dachshund who weighs about
15 to 20 lbs and a huge Golden Retriever who weighs about 100. Have
any ideas? I searched the raw feeding site and couldn't find a
feeding guideline
> thanks
> Melissa

> Hi, Will!
Welcome to the raw side! ^_^
After the initial 'figuring things out' period, and tweaking your
plans so it works for you and your dogs, its embarrassingly easy to
feed raw. My list of recommendations to start out with (and a list to
figure out how to source cheap/free meats);
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/141374

My thoughts on the "Where to Feed?"
Q;http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/141648
<snip>
Print this info out if you like, and search the archives for other's
posts on the subjects that concern you and print those out<snip> -
highlight relevant &/or alternate options for concerns you have. <snip>
http://www.rawfed.com/myths/index.html
TC, and keep us current with your progress!
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

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9a. Please Explain
Posted by: "Monica A. Joy" imajoy@hughes.net imajoy2003
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:25 pm ((PDT))

Chris O.

What is a big, complicated, engrossing meal exactly?

Thanks
Monica

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9b. Re: Please Explain
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:53 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Monica!
Not Chris, but I'll answer anyway. ^_^

A big complicated, engrossing meal, to some extent depends on the
size, age, personality, health, dentition, experience, etc. of each
individual dog.

It just means a meal that requires a dog to get 'down 'n dirty' with
his food.

Really sink his teeth in, rip, tear, shear, crunch and maybe even get
his paws involved, too. lol

A tiny toy dog might find a chicken quarter complicated - a giant
breed like my Newfy girl needs a turkey, fresh ham or the like in
order to get really engaged with her food.

Some pics on this site show dogs with meals that require real involvement;
http://rawfeddogs.net/Recipes

Think of what a wolf would eat;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT_3QiWQh8M

TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> What is a big, complicated, engrossing meal exactly?
>
> Thanks
> Monica

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10a. Re: New-- with Puppy and diarrhea
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:53 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Shelly!
My guess would be that the kibble and raw is the cause of
the diarrhea. Some dogs/pups don't tolerate the mix. Raw is much more
easily digestible and more bioavailable, and kibble sits in the
digestive system longer and produces more waste, this cam cause problems.
It would be better to make the switch complete, instead of sitting no
the fence.
Feeding just meat will cause the stools to be loose, even runny. Bone
in the diet can firm things up.

Game hen can be easier for a young small breed pup to handle until
adjusting to raw and growing a bit. Being chicken slaughtered at a
younger age, it has a good amount of bone, but the bones are smaller
and softer.

You're liable to get a very scary, but uninformed lecture from your
vet. Most vets are invested in selling what they offer or sale, get
very little nutrition training in school, and what little they have
gotten, comes from the pet food corps. Billions of dollars in ad
campaigning have gone into propagandizing vets, and us, so that we
think we can't possibly have enough common sense to be able to figure
out how to feed our own dogs without buying a bag of cereal.

Inoculations can have the effect (at the least) of causing a rise in
temperature and diarrhea. There are some lists that you can join to
learn about minimal or no vaxs.

If you haven't done it before, read these links;
http://www.rawfed.com/myths/index.html
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/141374

You can print out any information you need to, so you can reread it
and highlight anything you find relevant.
TC and let us know how you and Leo progress!
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> I have a new 9 week old Shiba Inu puppy. He has been eating both Innova
> EVO and raw (chicken) for about a week now. I started him on hearts and
> gizzards first and last night I gave him a chicken leg.
> I woke up SEVERAL times, (not his norm) With SERIOUS diarrhea. <snip>
> Any assistance in a good direction for me would be helpful!! Thank
> You!!!
> Shelly
> w/ Leo my Shiba pup :)
>

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11. Constipation / Update
Posted by: "Virginia Snider" vsnider@cogeco.ca rawbglass
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 3:56 am ((PDT))

Wouldn't you know as soon as I get worried about it enough to post,
(because he didn't "go" at his usual times), Rio brought me my shoe about an
hour after his last regular walk for the night, (it got me to take him out
again), and he did just fine :-)

Thanks for your replies,

Virginia

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