[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12061

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. pregnant yorkie
From: Julie Howard

2. Pregnant and Lactating moms
From: Northland Bordeaux - Mark and Cindy McEld

3a. Help - Ready to quit
From: Cindy Marabito
3b. Re: Help - Ready to quit
From: costrowski75

4a. Help! Creative solutions req'd...
From: Cris Milam

5a. Re: I tried and raw is just not going to work.
From: one_sojourner_one
5b. Re: I tried and raw is just not going to work.
From: Maofryan@aol.com
5c. Re: I tried and raw is just not going to work.
From: tottime47
5d. Re: I tried and raw is just not going to work.
From: Denise Strother

6.1. New to raw
From: sarahmay7
6.2. Re: New to raw
From: costrowski75

7a. Cat with sensitive stomach
From: Elizabeth
7b. Re: Cat with sensitive stomach
From: Casey Post
7c. Re: Cat with sensitive stomach
From: Elizabeth

8a. Re: raw meaty bones.
From: tottime47

9.1. newbie
From: Michelle Grabert

10a. Re: Need advice on weight loss for large mixed breed
From: Casey Post

11a. Re: NEW TO RAW
From: Michal Cline
11b. Re: NEW TO RAW
From: Yasuko herron

12a. Re: Bone shards in cat vomit
From: Bumble1994@aol.com

13a. Re: you want to feed 2 - 3 % of their ESTIMATED adult weight.
From: costrowski75

14a. Re: HELP PLEASE? AVOCADO PIT :(((
From: costrowski75

15. Ham
From: carolejc2007

16a. Re: Just moved to raw
From: carolejc2007

17a. Re: raw salmon
From: Stephanie Cassin

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1. pregnant yorkie
Posted by: "Julie Howard" jonel@sbcglobal.net chyorks
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:10 am ((PDT))

I have been feeding raw for approximately 4 months. I now have a pregnant 6# yorkie who is 3 weeks into her pregnancy.

Should I add anything to this diet to insure an optimal pregnancy? This is not her first litter, but first litter on the raw diet.
Julie
Kokomo, IN

Julie M. Howard
Jo-Nel Reg'd Yorkshire Terriers & Chinese Cresteds
jonel@sbcglobal.net

http://www.jonelyorkies.com

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2. Pregnant and Lactating moms
Posted by: "Northland Bordeaux - Mark and Cindy McEld" mcelderry2@aol.com northlandbordeaux
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:11 am ((PDT))

Hi,
I am fairly new to the all raw diet. I have not as yet put pregnant or
nursing moms on the raw meat. Most of my crew has switched over and it
is only a matter of time before I have a female that is on all raw come
into heat. Does anyone know if there are any concerns about feeding raw
while pregnant? It seems to me they should do really well but I just
don't know.

Mark


Cindy and Mark McElderry
Northland Bordeaux
815-627-2010
www.northland-bordeaux.com <http://www.northland-bordeaux.com/>

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3a. Help - Ready to quit
Posted by: "Cindy Marabito" doggirl1@earthlink.net rowdycowgirl50
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:12 am ((PDT))

Dolores...This might not agree with some people, but I feed chicken/
beef/turkey to my dogs and cats with only the occasional quail for
the cats. They get the appropriate recommended percentage with lots
of organ meats and bone. We have a great raw feeders co-op where I
live, so access is not problem. I am only piping in here to share
what's been working with me and the animals in my care and my rescue
for years with great results. Cindy

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3b. Re: Help - Ready to quit
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:17 am ((PDT))

"schnauzers1015" <havanese1@...> wrote:
>Should I stop trying with the
> pork? or what?
*****
Definitely the "or what."
Take your time.
Instead of smacking the dog in the gut with a new protein, introduce it
more gently by adding small amounts of pork to the chicken meals he
does well on. Some dogs taken gutsmacking in stride, others need to go
gradually into new foods. This is fine. Flexibility of approach is
good for both of you.

Go back to chicken, stablize, then add bits and pieces of pork to the
meal. However long it takes to get there is how long it takes.
Chris O

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4a. Help! Creative solutions req'd...
Posted by: "Cris Milam" cmilam@comcast.net cris_milam
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:12 am ((PDT))

Rachel,

In addtion to Bill's ideas, you could call the park you will be staying at
and ask for the phone numbers of local grocery stores/Wal-Mart. I'll bet
you could get a butcher to freeze a couple of those bags of chickens super
solid. That way, they will stay fresher with less ice at the campsite.

BTW, remember to put the ice chest in your closed car at night. Raccoons
and bears would find your dog's meals quite the treat.

Have fun!

Cris M

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5a. Re: I tried and raw is just not going to work.
Posted by: "one_sojourner_one" onesojourner@gmail.com one_sojourner_one
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 8:05 am ((PDT))

ok I will give out some history. We have been trying raw for about a
week. We started with boneless chicken breasts. To get him to eat them
we had to cook the outside briefly and cover it with garlic powder. We
did that for a few days. He was eating about 1/3 what he should have
been. We did that for a few days. Then he started totally refusing the
chicken and would not eat a meal. I then offered a steak and he ate
the appropriate amount for about a day.

-peter

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5b. Re: I tried and raw is just not going to work.
Posted by: "Maofryan@aol.com" Maofryan@aol.com waldorfsarah
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:03 am ((PDT))

Peter
I have 27 dogs here...they all eat raw. Your dog is a dog, just like any
other dog. Stop cooking, and stop worrying. Your dog will not starve
itself to death. Take a look at your OWN worrying about if your dog is eating or
not. This sound like your own issue. If he doesn't eat...skip that meal and
try again at the next meal. If your dog is overweight, he might natually
miss a couple of meals...and it would be good for him/her.

I have been feeding raw for 13 years. I have NEVER had ONE dog not eat
raw. Sarah Waldorf, Konigsdorf Shepherds

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5c. Re: I tried and raw is just not going to work.
Posted by: "tottime47" tottime@aol.com tottime47
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:04 am ((PDT))

Hi Peter,

I have a small dog who was on kibble for 9yrs, hand feed and fed on
demand too! Now, if I can get him to change to raw you can too.

You know it's the best way to feed and will add many healthy years
to his life.
If for no other reason, that's a good one for not giving up!

How to do it? You start by trying different things with the meat.
Start with chicken.

Cut up chunks or strips and sear lightly in olive oil or butter.Try
smearing some type of
sauce on them that he likes or mixing them in sauce. Some dogs will
even eat cheese whiz, lol. Whatever he likes, as long as he eats it.

Doesn't want to eat that? Try putting on a plate, sit down at the
table for your meal and
toss him his, lol. I've never known a dog to refuse "table food".

I played fetch with chicken feet for weeks, then one day he took off
with it to chew!
He still can't eat them if the bones aren't crushed for him, but will
if he can get it chewed up!

Also when dogs start, they will eat a large meal and skip or eat
lightly the next time, sometimes for several meals.

Sometimes you have to break up the bones, I use a hammer.

I have even ground up chicken legs and breasts in my grinder.....
very soft bones so they grind easily.....

Think outside the box to get him started. Lots of new to raw dogs
find this very strange, mine did and didn't have a clue about whether
or not it was good to eat. I had to hand feed
him for months, lol. I think he was scared of the meat. He still
needs encouragement when I introduce a new meat! This week is
alligator, lol......

It would be wise to good back and read some of the posts from
other "new to raw feeders" tons of good suggestions given.

Just seeing the improvements in my dog has made every trial I've had
worth it a million times over.......

Every time he's hungry, watching him bounce, dance and bark, well you
know you've finally got a dog that's on his way!

Good luck and just don't give up..........

Carol, Charkee & Moli(they said I wouldn't raw eat either, I showed
them!)

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<onesojourner@...> wrote:

We have been trying raw for about a
> week. He was eating about 1/3 what he should have
> been. We did that for a few days. Then he started totally refusing
the
> chicken and would not eat a meal.

> -peter

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5d. Re: I tried and raw is just not going to work.
Posted by: "Denise Strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 11:02 am ((PDT))

Peter,
I run a dog daycare and foster dogs. I have switched all kinds and
ages of dogs to raw. ANY dog can be switched to raw, if the owner
makes the decision and is committed to it. All you have to do is stick
to your guns, no dog will starve itself to death. I have seen dogs
hold out for up to 5 or 6 days. Just be aware that not eating for
several days is not as debilitating a dogs system as it is ours.
Wolves still have enough energy to hunt even after days without food.
Don't cave. Just remember you are doing what's best for your dog. If
he was smart enough to make these kinds of decisions, he would be
taking care of you instead of the other way around. Denise

Peter
I have 27 dogs here...they all eat raw. Your dog is a dog, just like
any other dog.

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6.1. New to raw
Posted by: "sarahmay7" sarah@kenetxsys.com sarahmay7
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 8:05 am ((PDT))

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I have a Greyhound so far she seems to be enjoying the raw. She loves the organ meat except
for liver. The meaty bones take her a while to finally decide to eat them. She is very lazy and I
think it requires her to much work. She will just have to get over it. I love to watch her eat the
meaty bones. Her breath has improved 100% but the other end smell much worse. I'm sure
once her body adjusts this will get better. She hasn't pooped in 2 days and I just started raw
3 days ago. She used to poop as many as 4 or 5 times a day. She doesn't seem to be
uncomfortable or anything. I'm sure its soon to come.
Do our dogs go through carb withdraw? Headache, dizziness? Like I do when I try to cutout
carbs? Just curious. Also, I have been feeding her a good helping of gizzards, hearts and
necks in the morning then a chicken quarter in the evening but she still acts hungry. She is
60 lbs. and I figure she needs about 2 lbs of food a day I have been feeding her 3 - 4 lbs to
appeases her. Should I stop giving her so much and just try to stick to 2lbs a day?
Thanks for all the information.

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6.2. Re: New to raw
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 10:20 am ((PDT))

"sarahmay7" <sarah@...> wrote:
> I have a Greyhound so far she seems to be enjoying the raw. She
loves the organ meat except
> for liver.
*****
You've only been feeding raw for three days. Quit worrying about the
liver! Calm down, breathe, stick to your chicken for a while. Liver
can wait.

The meaty bones take her a while to finally decide to eat them.
*****
What bones other than chicken have you fed?

the other end smell much worse. I'm sure
> once her body adjusts this will get better
*****
Yes, and you can help by taking your time with the amount you feed
AND the variety you feed. Go slow, be conservative with both. The
most common cause of loose stool is TOO MUCH. Too much meal, too
much fat, too much variety, too soon.

She hasn't pooped in 2 days and I just started raw
> 3 days ago. She used to poop as many as 4 or 5 times a day. She
doesn't seem to be
> uncomfortable or anything. I'm sure its soon to come.
*****
It will. But if she's not pooping, what's so stinky about the "other
end"?

She's eating food that far and away more bio-available than kibble
is, that dramatically decreases stool volume. My guess is that AM
meal you're feeding puts way too much bone into her, and along with a
more digestible food, she also she's constipated. If/when she shows
discomfort you may want to lube the system with boneless meat or some
liver or even a spoon of olive oil if you are desperate or she is.

> Do our dogs go through carb withdraw? Headache, dizziness? Like I
do when I try to cutout
> carbs? Just curious.
*****
Perhaps, although I've never seen any such response from the dogs
I've moved to raw. Even the weekend dogs that go back to kibble when
they leave my care appear not only unbothered but also dee-lighted.

Also, I have been feeding her a good helping of gizzards, hearts and
> necks in the morning then a chicken quarter in the evening but she
still acts hungry.
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Ditch the necks. Although you have done well by including hearts and
gizzards with them, they--when fed in a diet that also includes leg
quarters--are too much bone. A leg quarter a day, regardless of how
much meat you feed in the other meal, is plenty enough edible bone.
No need to over do it.

If you want to feed a meaty AM meal but are afraid of loose stools
give one back or one neck with the meat. She really doesn't need any
more bone but many people get so stressed out by loose stool that
perhaps a bit of over indulgence may be required. If you do not need
the comfort level of that bit of AM bone, don't feed it.

> 60 lbs. and I figure she needs about 2 lbs of food a day I have
been feeding her 3 - 4 lbs to
> appeases her. Should I stop giving her so much and just try to
stick to 2lbs a day?
*****
It's good she's liking her new food. Don't overfeed her though.

Two pounds is plenty for a 60lb dog. Two percent is just under a
pound and a quarter of food a day; three percent is just under two
pounds. You do not have to feed her more unless she clearly needs
(not wants) more. Greys should be lean and athletic. If you're
trying to put on weight, proceed more slowly; if you're trying to
maintain weight, feed less.

Chris O

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7a. Cat with sensitive stomach
Posted by: "Elizabeth" rainsou1@yahoo.com rainsou1
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 8:05 am ((PDT))

My roommate would like to put her cat on raw, but the cat has a few
issues my friend is concerned would not go over well with raw. I am
posting on her behalf because she does not belong to the group or have
a Yahoo account. Anyways, the cat is 13 yrs old, and has a sensitive
stomach, and vomits nearly everyday for some reason or another. My
friend currently has her eating HSD, sensitive stomach formula. She is
concerned that the cat could not handle raw because of her age, and
her stomach issues. She told me that when the cat would cat a mouse,
it be in the middle of eating it, and actually vomit on the mouse! So,
any suggestions of how to make the transition easier? Thanks in advance!

-Liz

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7b. Re: Cat with sensitive stomach
Posted by: "Casey Post" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 8:15 am ((PDT))

>>Anyways, the cat is 13 yrs old, and has a sensitive
> stomach, and vomits nearly everyday for some reason or another.

Thirteen, frequent vomiting - if this cat hasn't been tested for
hyperthyroidism already, that would definitely be my next step.

>So,
> any suggestions of how to make the transition easier?

Small, frequent meals, room temperature (not cold from the fridge), avoid
enhanced meats, etc. Try many different meats - some cats are more likely
to toss up one particular meat more than another, so don't be shy about
trying anything and everything.

I will also say that I switched my old girl at 14 and she's 20 now - my only
regret is not switching her sooner!

Casey

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7c. Re: Cat with sensitive stomach
Posted by: "Elizabeth" rainsou1@yahoo.com rainsou1
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:07 am ((PDT))

Thirteen, frequent vomiting - if this cat hasn't been tested for
> hyperthyroidism already, that would definitely be my next step.

> Small, frequent meals, room temperature (not cold from the fridge),
avoid
> enhanced meats, etc. Try many different meats - some cats are more
likely
> to toss up one particular meat more than another, so don't be shy about
> trying anything and everything.
>
> I will also say that I switched my old girl at 14 and she's 20 now -
my only
> regret is not switching her sooner!
>
> Casey
>

Casey,
Thank you! I will tell my friend that. I told her to bring the cat to
my vet and have her checked out. My vet is pro-raw, so I think she
could probably give my friend some specific dietary advice for older
cats. Wanna know something sad? The vet my friend brought the cat to
said she was "healthy as a horse." Is it just me, or does anyone else
think if an animal vomits more than 4 times a week it isn't "healthy
as a horse?"

Anyways, thanks again!:)

-Liz

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8a. Re: raw meaty bones.
Posted by: "tottime47" tottime@aol.com tottime47
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 8:05 am ((PDT))

Hi Paul,

If you haven't noticed any distress from it...choking,
then no......

Lesson number 1, feed big, big, big, lol.
Never offer anything smaller than their head unless it's chopped up.

Remeber dogs don't chew up food like we do, they pull of a chunk and
down it goes...

As a side note: I am amazed that the little guy was able to
swollow it whole, lol.......

Carol, Charkee(not me,I'm picky)& Moli(I'd try it too!)

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> My 5 lb, 10 week old Havanese swallowed a thigh bones without chewing.
> Should I be concerned?
>
> Paul

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9.1. newbie
Posted by: "Michelle Grabert" chalienme@yahoo.com chalienme
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 8:06 am ((PDT))

thankyou for the welcome~ happy to be onboard to learn all I can about raw feeding my dogs. I know they will be happy to for it. thanks. michelle

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10a. Re: Need advice on weight loss for large mixed breed
Posted by: "Casey Post" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 8:07 am ((PDT))

> I'm feeding her 2 percent of a target weight, which figures out to
> about 1.7 lbs of food a day.

Gemma,

You can reduce that even further if you need to. But something else to
consider - hypothyroidism. Weight gain and ligament damage are enough to
make me think that testing is warranted.

Casey

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11a. Re: NEW TO RAW
Posted by: "Michal Cline" Mcline30@aol.com michalcline
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 8:22 am ((PDT))

lAURIE,

We do not have a freezer just a small compartment in our fridge so
buying in quantity would be difficult unless/until we can find a
small freezer. We live in a fishing/grape raising area so fish is
abundant. It is the meat that is scarce and expensive here.I will
start to check out resources. BTW, gave them each a raw egg yesterday
and the look on their faces was one of total puzzlement. I finally
cracked them wide open and they finished the white and yolk.

How many eggs can one feed to them at a time? (Standard Poodles- 40
pounds and 50 pounds)

You asked:
> Do you have any online buying/selling groups over there (like we
have craigslist and freecycle)? >>

I have no idea but will continue my research and also act upon your
suggestion about reposting with a different heading. Super
idea!!!!!!!!

Michal

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11b. Re: NEW TO RAW
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 10:33 am ((PDT))

>How many eggs can one feed to them at a time? (Standard Poodles- 40 pounds and 50 >pounds)

Hi.As much as your dog can torelate and no loose stool.

Egg makes poo looser if you feed too much.

I have 35lb corgi and give her raw Egg 1 at a time.

Other than Egg,in the same day,she gets organ 1oz plus roughly 9 oz of meat with bone. Sometimes more than that if I do give her like 1.5lb over ribs slabs,or roast or big loin with bone etc...and I feed snack size stuff next day.Only 1 per month so far.

I usually feed big one like that only once a month because I am still trying working on making her one sit meal portion bigger and still be torelated.

She had slab of Beef back ribs weigh about 3-4 lb yesterday. It was just that I saw it at grocery store half price down per pound and the rib was like 6-8inches long,and had still quite lot of meat on it. I did not let her finish all because she still needs to be adjusted in amount -wise to be torelated well. Thistime,she seemed quite tired from all changing position to eat it,holding ribs to rip or gnaw etc and she did not eat much bone.I peacefully traded the bone with her favorite chicken feet andshe washappy to give up the rest.

It is funny that after such once a month big meal,she trot out from kitchen when I get puppy pen panels away andsoon lay on side and do something like roll on something with some mourning-like sound.Then,after some resting time,I find herself sleeping peacefully on cool bed.

Such big meal seem to make her work out quite well physically and mentally,and she looks satisfied,and tired:-P

Even if France's meat is expensive,grocery store would do mark down price at some point I am guessing just like ours in US.

The package that is close to expire is usually cheap.Or you can get things on sale item and watch out advertisement come with newspaper.

In fact,the Back ribs I writing here, normally about 5-6 dollars per pound. I usually get sliced short rib that has about 2-3 inch meat on it and little shorter in length.I usually add other animal's boneless meat to to it with side dish of organ parts.

I have never seen the back rib of Beef before but recently they(Super Giant) started carrying it. But price per pound was that high.However,when I got the Rib,I got is little above 2 dollars per pound. Half the price per pound. It was on sale item not expired item but it was good buy. It looked cut into such portion so,if I really had space in freezer,I think I could ask the meat guy if I can get bigger (whole?) slab of beef back ribs.I didn't. not much space now..but always good to ask meat guy too about possibility about unsliced items.This way,I got whole ox tail before.

Incidentally, I was planning to do roasting Pork loin this week,and I saw was 8-10lb of huuuge snake long loin..it was heavy and huuge!

The sell by date was in Oct so,maybe that is why,they decided to make it on sale item but it was great buy as well. I got it 1 dollar 70 cents per pound. I use some for roasting for human,and some for substitute of using Tenderloin in cooking and some for pal's once a month big meal item. She would be thrilled.

I think that finding source of suppliers are bit hard for anyone,but with internet and advertisement and all other ways others posted,you would find one eventually.

I do not think you are the only person in France trying to feed raw.So,there would be somewhere or someone that you can get info on source.

Don't give up. You really find yourself smiling looking at your dog tackling such big meal with joy and improvement of overall health,coat etc .And,you will be glad to know you are giving the best possible diet to your dog.

Good luck,

yassy

PS;If others on this list had Giant near you,the sale continue till thursday I think,and you can get loin that I wrote about with about $1.70/lb. Depending on location,they may not carry it with that price but worth checking:-P

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12a. Re: Bone shards in cat vomit
Posted by: "Bumble1994@aol.com" Bumble1994@aol.com bumble1994
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:07 am ((PDT))

In a message dated 9/23/2007 9:22:13 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, "Laurie
Swanson"writes:

In addition to what Giselle said, I was wondering if it could also be
partly a bile vomit thing due to being fed on schedule or having the
schedule changed? It kinda sounds like when my dog used to do that
(the foamy aspect). Not sure if cats are the same. W/dogs, we try to
feed on a random basis to overcome that (not at the same time every
day). Any cat people care to comment?

****
I haven't had any experience with varying the schedule causing vomit. I
pretty much feed when I get up in the morning at 7 and again at 7 in the evening.
On weekends I may not make it up until 10 or noon and my guys have learned
not to try to wake me up and just be patient. Occasionally I've left for some
event late in the afternoon but I thought too early to feed and fed when I
came back about 11 without any problems.

Of course, cats do tend to throw up a lot, anyway, and once in awhile I've
seen bone fragments in somebody's vomit, well past when they had gotten
accustomed to raw. It didn't seem to lead to anything so I haven't worried about it.

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13a. Re: you want to feed 2 - 3 % of their ESTIMATED adult weight.
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:36 am ((PDT))

"Kevin Brown" <jerseykev@...> wrote:

> "you want to feed 2 - 3 % of their ESTIMATED adult weight."
>
> I have a 4 1/2 month old English Mastiff, she is 55 pounds. The vet
> expects her to be 150 at adult weight.
>
> Should I be feeding her 3 - 4.5 pounds a day.
>
> or 1.1 - 1.65 pounds of raw a day?
*****
Feed her based on what she will ideally weigh as an adult. Divvy it up
across three meals--even four--if that's what she needs to comfortably
digest the amount. Some pups can do fine on two meals a day at four
months; others simply can't process "that much" food. Spread it out if
you have to. Adjust as necessary of course if she is more roly-poly or
leaner than you think is healthy--you will be doing this her whole
life. If she has loose stools try reducing the amount you feed in each
meal, not necessarily/automatically the total amount you feed per day.

You have to nourish the dog within.

(Just so you know, the "other" way to feed a pup is to feed 10% of the
pup's current weight; although she's too old for that method now [it
pretty much fizzles out at 16 weeks], she'd be getting five pounds of
food based on it. No matter how you look at amounts, she's a growing
girl and she needs her chow.)
Chris O

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14a. Re: HELP PLEASE? AVOCADO PIT :(((
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:43 am ((PDT))

Cdandp2@... wrote:
But, I won't rest easy until I see that first post-pit poop!!!
*****
Carol, I had a little black Lab hooligan that broke a toe doing
something wild and crazy. The vet bandaged her up with some spiffy
purple VetWrap and in short order it was off and utterly, totally
disappeared. Gone. Not in the house, not in the yard. Gone.

We think she ate it. The vet said "wait and see." We waited. We
never saw. Nothing. No vomit, no poop. No discomfort. Not from her,
not from the other dogs.

Hard to know about these dogs, sometimes.

Please keep us informed!
Chris O

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15. Ham
Posted by: "carolejc2007" mooska2me@sbcglobal.net carolejc2007
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 10:31 am ((PDT))

Okay, so I'm still new to raw feeding my dogs. I printed out
the "recipe" page from one of the raw feeding sites and it lists ham as
a good food source. Isn't ham smoked and full of nitrates? How can
this be good for the animal?

Carole

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16a. Re: Just moved to raw
Posted by: "carolejc2007" mooska2me@sbcglobal.net carolejc2007
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 10:32 am ((PDT))

***MODERATOR'S NOTE: TRIM YOUR MESSAGES.***

I just started my 2 Greyhounds and 2 Italian Gerys on a raw diet this
past week. The 2 Greys went bonkers; absolutely no hesitation at
all. The 2 Italian Greys approached it differently. One of them
sniffed and licked at it for about 5 minutes before she decided it
was okay to eat and then ate it and has no problem since. The other
Italian simply sniffed and licked at his; he would not eat it, so I
picked it up and he went without dinner. The next day I gave it to
him again and again he sniffed and licked at it. By this time I
guess he was hungry enough that he decided to give it a try. It took
him a while to eat it but he now eats with no hesitation like the
rest of them. I think each dog probably approaches the idea of
eating raw a little differently.

Carole

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Kristin" <girlndocs@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Nasser,
>
> > if she is fed
> > outside she will cover her food with sand and go. When fed
indoors she
> > tries to do the same thing of covering the food with sand but
rubs her
> > nose on the hard floor.
>
> Zoe did the same thing for some time. Not only the "burying"
(indoors, under
> things like her crate blanket, her leash and the doormat) but the
startled
> nose rubbing as if to say "Hey! Food's not supposed to be wet!" and
the
> resigned "Oh, OK, if I gotta" eating.
>
> She's been eating raw for about three weeks now and dives into her
meals
> with relish -- walks around hopefully with her nose in the air when
I get
> out a whole raw chicken.
>
> So, you didn't say exactly how long you've been raw, but my guess
is that
> all of it will pass.
>
> Kristin
>

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17a. Re: raw salmon
Posted by: "Stephanie Cassin" mamacass@iprimus.com.au quiltingtuppy
Date: Sun Sep 23, 2007 10:32 am ((PDT))

Hi Everyone,

I can understand that freezing fish will kill parasites, but does it
also make the good oils less potent in any way?

Thanks,
Stephanie

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