[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12059

There are 26 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: raw salmon
From: Morledzep@aol.com
1b. Re: raw salmon
From: T. S.
1c. Re: raw salmon
From: costrowski75
1d. Re: raw salmon
From: Morledzep@aol.com

2a. Re: What Easy to Get Meaty Bones will Really Clean my BIG Dog's ...
From: Morledzep@aol.com
2b. Re: What Easy to Get Meaty Bones will Really Clean my BIG Dog's ...
From: Giselle

3. Re: OT Mastiff - New To the group
From: Renate

4a. Re: Feeding schedule
From: Renate
4b. Re: Feeding schedule
From: costrowski75
4c. Re: Feeding schedule
From: Renate
4d. Re: Feeding schedule
From: lar07911

5a. Re: Why is my Beagle so disgusting?
From: cleone4100@aol.com
5b. Re: Why is my Beagle so disgusting?
From: steph.sorensen

6a. new to raw need help
From: abeautiful3
6b. Re: new to raw need help
From: Brandi Bryant
6c. Re: new to raw need help
From: Arlene Fell
6d. Re: new to raw need help
From: Brandi Bryant

7a. Re: HELP PLEASE? AVOCADO PIT :(((
From: ginny wilken
7b. Re: HELP PLEASE? AVOCADO PIT :(((
From: costrowski75

8. raw meaty bones.
From: paul.granitegallery

9a. I tried and raw is just not going to work.
From: one_sojourner_one
9b. Re: I tried and raw is just not going to work.
From: Sandee Lee
9c. Re: I tried and raw is just not going to work.
From: carnesbill

10a. Help! Creative solutions req'd...
From: rachelerm
10b. Re: Help! Creative solutions req'd...
From: carnesbill

11. Need advice on weight loss for large mixed breed
From: cockatoos4

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1a. Re: raw salmon
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 2:36 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 9/22/2007 11:39:45 AM Pacific Standard Time,
JoeTheLion1@yahoo.com writes:

is it okay to feed raw salmon including the backbone?

***all parts of the salmon are edible..

are you catching it in Mexico? or is it being caught somewhere else
entirely?

Catherine R.

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1b. Re: raw salmon
Posted by: "T. S." JoeTheLion1@yahoo.com joethelion1
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 4:41 pm ((PDT))

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i am not doing the fishing, i buy my fish at a local fish market where
they bring it in daily. i happened to be there today and asked them
if i can get some fish bones and he happened to be working on salmon
at the time so he dug around in the bin and pulled out a whole bunch
of stuff they toss which had some salmon on it (pink) which also
included the backbone and some of the other bones. i think it is
pacific salmon so i suppose it needs to be cooked. wasn't sure.

t.s.
ensenada, mexico

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> In a message dated 9/22/2007 11:39:45 AM Pacific Standard Time,
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> is it okay to feed raw salmon including the backbone?
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> ***all parts of the salmon are edible..
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> are you catching it in Mexico? or is it being caught somewhere else
> entirely?
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> Catherine R.
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1c. Re: raw salmon
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 4:55 pm ((PDT))

"T. S." <JoeTheLion1@...> wrote:
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> is it okay to feed raw salmon including the backbone?
*****
Yes, most assuredly.
But with salmon there are other mitigating factors. What's the source
of the salmon--farmed or wild?

Farmed is safe to eat from a parasitic perspective but will deliver a
load of accumulated toxins. Wild salmon caught in the Pacific
Northwest (southern Alaska south to the mid-California coast) may habor
a potentially fatal parasite. Freezing kills it dead. Cooking kills
it dead (but also screws up the bones). Below mid-California, I don't
know. Are there even wild salmon in the Pacific off southern
California and Mexico?

If the salmon is okay raw, the spine is okay raw, too.
Chris O

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1d. Re: raw salmon
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 9:50 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 9/22/2007 3:41:57 PM Pacific Standard Time,
JoeTheLion1@yahoo.com writes:

i think it is
pacific salmon so i suppose it needs to be cooked. wasn't sure.

ts,

not necessarily.. is it fresh? or has it been frozen previously? if it's
already been frozen it's fine to feed to the dogs.. but i wouldn't opt for bare
naked bones. RAW fish bones are just fine as long as they are covered with
meat, like any other bone.

cooking fish bones makes them into needles that can and will do damage. i
don't suppose you've ever accidentally eaten a cooked fish bone? had it get
stuck in the back of your throat? they are needle sharp and once they get lodged
in somewhere it's difficult to get them out and painful too.

remember.. NO COOKED BONES..
Catherine R.

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2a. Re: What Easy to Get Meaty Bones will Really Clean my BIG Dog's ...
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 2:41 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 9/22/2007 7:43:14 AM Pacific Standard Time,
melanieabrams@yahoo.com writes:

Are there any specific meaty bones you can
recommend that will do this? She works at her chicken halves, but I
don't think this is doing it. Easy to get stuff would be appreciated;
I can order more obscure things from the co op but not until next month.

Melanie,

my first suggestion would be pork shoulder butt and picnic roasts.. they are
big and the picnic has a good portion of skin that needs to be ripped and
requires LOTS of effort. Pork Picnic roasts are also inexpensive and easy to
find, at least in CA.

Catherine R.

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2b. Re: What Easy to Get Meaty Bones will Really Clean my BIG Dog's ...
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 4:24 pm ((PDT))

Holiday season is coming up! Time to stock up on turkeys. : )
Fresh hams are great, too.
TC
Giselle

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> Are there any specific meaty bones you can
> recommend that will do this? She works at her chicken halves, but I
> don't think this is doing it. Easy to get stuff would be appreciated;
> I can order more obscure things from the co op but not until next month.

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3. Re: OT Mastiff - New To the group
Posted by: "Renate" renate.tideswell@gmail.com tideswell_renate
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 2:44 pm ((PDT))

Welcome to the group. I'm new here too. You should check out
www.tinypawsdogrescue.org later on this week. We're having an on-line
auction to help one of our rescues and one of the items is an absolutely
gorgeous print of a watercolour of 2 mastiffs by Regine Manicom. It's
called 'The Sentinels'. I'm more into small dogs, but her work is
wonderful!
Renate

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> Hello everyone.
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> I live on the Jersey Shore with my number one Mastiff "Baby Independence"
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> Baby for short.
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> I am developing GuardiansByTheSea.com and need as much info on raw feeding
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> as I can get.
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> Baby is 4 1/2 months and I am much older.
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> Glad to be apart of the group.
>
> Kevin & Baby
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Renate
'The more I learn about men, the more I love my Shih Tzu'

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4a. Re: Feeding schedule
Posted by: "Renate" renate.tideswell@gmail.com tideswell_renate
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 4:09 pm ((PDT))

Chris, does this apply to small dogs (not puppies, shih tzus under 10lbs)
When I was feeding kibble, I'm think they only really ate once a day in the
early afternoon (I left food out because the poodle cross is a day long
nibbler). I picked a rather bad time to convert to raw cause I've got a 3
hour drive each way tomorrow with a 3 hour lunch when I get there. And on
Monday I have 1-1/2 hours each way with a few hours there. This doesn't
happen often, but bad timing it's just a few days in. And last night wasn't
good. Both tzu's messed in the night and the poodle cross was practically
crossing his legs he was really eager to get out. I fed them just once
today, this morning, hoping to improve on this performance. Can I just feed
once , each of tomorrow and Monday before I leave? The poodle cross is 10yo
and the tzus are all about a year and a half. Am I worrying too much, being
paranoid? Thanks
Renate

On 9/21/07, costrowski75 <Chriso75@aol.com> wrote:
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> "abeautiful3" <abeautiful3@...> wrote:
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> > One thing that I am concerned about is their feeding schedule when I
> > feed them kibble I would feed them early in the morning before I would
> > have to leave for work.
> *****
> Strict feeding schedules are frequently more detrimental than
> beneficial. You may need a feeding schedule to get your pre-job chores
> done, but your dogs do not need to be feed by the clock. I recommend
> you take the clock out of your feeding plans.
>
> I recommend you feed them when you have time to do it properly and
> don't beat yourself up about it. If that means at night, fine and
> dandy. If that means feeding "easy" food M-F and saving the big,
> complicated, engrossing meals for the weekend, fine and dandy.
>
> It's okay to mix up meals, it's okay to feed erratically, it's okay to
> have a thoroughly untidy meal plan. Once your dogs' brains get used to
> more random meals, their digestive systems will acclimate as well.
> Chris O
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>
>

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Renate
'The more I learn about men, the more I love my Shih Tzu'

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4b. Re: Feeding schedule
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 5:44 pm ((PDT))

Renate <renate.tideswell@...> wrote:
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> Chris, does this apply to small dogs (not puppies, shih tzus under
10lbs)
*****
It might be necessary to feed very small dogs several times a day if
you find that fewer feeding screw up their sugar levels. I have
heard this can happen, I have also heard that it doesn't have to
happen; I suspect it's a combination of what the human expects and
how the dog acclimates to the diet. For now two meals a day might be
optimal; later perhaps you can feed once a day. I don't have small
dogs so I have no experience to refer to. I feed my 10 pound cat
twice a day.

>I fed them just once
> today, this morning, hoping to improve on this performance. Can I
just feed
> once , each of tomorrow and Monday before I leave?
*****
I don't know that I can answer that, since you've so little history
to work with. If I were in your situation, I'd feed once in the AM,
then again when I got home. And I would leave the dogs in a set up
that would sustain little damage if a digestive upset were to
happen. And I'd clean it up when I got home. That's what I'd do.

IMO, cleaning up a disgusting mess would be easier to look forward to
than not knowing if one meal a day was the best option. But because
I really can't speak with any confidence about small dogs, let's hope
some small dog experts speak up!
Chris O

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4c. Re: Feeding schedule
Posted by: "Renate" renate.tideswell@gmail.com tideswell_renate
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 6:50 pm ((PDT))

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OK, thanks. That's fair enough. They'll just have to sleep somewhere not
in my room (the bedrooms in this house are carpeted but the rest of the
house isn't - though one of them did go to the ensuite bathroom ), cause my
house is up for sale and there's an open house Tues morning, thurs morning
and Sat morning. It's going to be traumatic enough that I come back
tomorrow with yet another rescue. There really are jealousy issues ;-)
They're getting used to these dogs coming and going, but there really are
pack issues. especially when the rescues start to 'get it together' and
become dogs again. That's why only my 2 tzus are allowed in the bedroom, so
I don't know what locking them out again will do to them. But I know that's
beyond this list
Renate

On 9/22/07, costrowski75 <Chriso75@aol.com> wrote:
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> Renate <renate.tideswell@...> wrote:
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> > Chris, does this apply to small dogs (not puppies, shih tzus under
> 10lbs)
> *****
> It might be necessary to feed very small dogs several times a day if
> you find that fewer feeding screw up their sugar levels. I have
> heard this can happen, I have also heard that it doesn't have to
> happen; I suspect it's a combination of what the human expects and
> how the dog acclimates to the diet. For now two meals a day might be
> optimal; later perhaps you can feed once a day. I don't have small
> dogs so I have no experience to refer to. I feed my 10 pound cat
> twice a day.
>
> >I fed them just once
> > today, this morning, hoping to improve on this performance. Can I
> just feed
> > once , each of tomorrow and Monday before I leave?
> *****
> I don't know that I can answer that, since you've so little history
> to work with. If I were in your situation, I'd feed once in the AM,
> then again when I got home. And I would leave the dogs in a set up
> that would sustain little damage if a digestive upset were to
> happen. And I'd clean it up when I got home. That's what I'd do.
>
> IMO, cleaning up a disgusting mess would be easier to look forward to
> than not knowing if one meal a day was the best option. But because
> I really can't speak with any confidence about small dogs, let's hope
> some small dog experts speak up!
> Chris O
>
>
>

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4d. Re: Feeding schedule
Posted by: "lar07911" lar07911@yahoo.com lar07911
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 7:38 pm ((PDT))

But because
> I really can't speak with any confidence about small dogs, let's hope
> some small dog experts speak up!

Hi,
I have two small dogs that have been on raw for about 4 weeks now, so
I am no means an expert. I have tried feeding only one large meal at
random times and it hasn't worked well for my little ones...especially
my 17lb girl who is quite active. My 25lb one seems to handle it much
better, but sometimes I will still find bile in his crate.

I feed two times a day. One meal being quite small and the other
being their big meal. I alternate when their larger meal occurs, but
I am a college student and random timing is more difficult. Maybe I
just gave up too soon?

Also, when my dogs were on kibble my girl would throw up bile if she
hadn't eaten enough. She is VERY active, so I am not sure if that has
anything to do with it. She is naturally super lean too. Raw was my
answer to finally putting weight on her.

I hope this helps!

Laura

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5a. Re: Why is my Beagle so disgusting?
Posted by: "cleone4100@aol.com" cleone4100@aol.com cleone4100
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 4:09 pm ((PDT))

If you read about coyotes and wolves, they often leave roadside kills for
several days or more prior to eating them. As disgusting as it sounds, the
process of decomposition makes the meat more tender and easier to chew and I
would guess, digest. Their digestive systems can handle the bacteria that our
systems can't. So when I see my dogs eating old rabbit carcasses left by coyotes
or hawks or owls, I don't totally freak out, but its still gross! Carey

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5b. Re: Why is my Beagle so disgusting?
Posted by: "steph.sorensen" steph.sorensen@yahoo.com steph.sorensen
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 7:35 pm ((PDT))

LOL, I was walking mine a few days ago, and we came upon a raccoon
that had been hit by a car the night before and was currently
decomposing on the side of the road, and I really had to pull on my
pit's leash to keep her moving. She wanted that kill!! It was
totally smelly, but both of them were much more interested in it now
than they ever were in dead things when I fed them kibble. If it
contains meat in any condition, they are all about it!

:)

-Steph
Scarlet, Lucy and Minkey (the kitty)

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> If you read about coyotes and wolves, they often leave roadside
kills for
> several days or more prior to eating them. As disgusting as it
sounds, the
> process of decomposition makes the meat more tender and easier to
chew and I
> would guess, digest. Their digestive systems can handle the
bacteria that our
> systems can't. So when I see my dogs eating old rabbit carcasses
left by coyotes
> or hawks or owls, I don't totally freak out, but its still gross!
Carey
>

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6a. new to raw need help
Posted by: "abeautiful3" abeautiful3@yahoo.com abeautiful3
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 4:10 pm ((PDT))

I started the dogs on raw this week and my puppy has developed
diarrhea I have only give her one chicken leg at a feeding.

The other dogs seem to tolerate the raw chicken pretty good although I
see some bone in the poop.

I am concerned about the diarrhea

Arlene

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6b. Re: new to raw need help
Posted by: "Brandi Bryant" bbryant573@gmail.com bbryant573
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 5:01 pm ((PDT))

>>> started the dogs on raw this week and my puppy has developed
diarrhea I have only give her one chicken leg at a feeding<<<

My guess is that your puppy's system hasn't adjusted to the RAW meat yet, it
takes time. The group will probably ask you are feeding him just chicken,
have you given organs, they will cause diarrhea. With diarrhea you feed
more bone...did they give you the percentages? 80% meat, 10% organ and 10%
bone...you want to feed 2 - 3 % of their ESTIMATED adult weight. How many
times are you feeding? More answers will be on the way...

Hang in there,
Brandi
Bartlesville,OK

On 9/22/07, abeautiful3 <abeautiful3@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> I started the dogs on raw this week and my puppy has developed
> diarrhea I have only give her one chicken leg at a feeding.
>
> The other dogs seem to tolerate the raw chicken pretty good although I
> see some bone in the poop.
>
> I am concerned about the diarrhea
>
> Arlene
>
>
>

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Bartlesville, Ok
www.obediencetrainingclubofbartlesville.com

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6c. Re: new to raw need help
Posted by: "Arlene Fell" abeautiful3@yahoo.com abeautiful3
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 6:47 pm ((PDT))

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Hi Brandi
I have not feed them organs yet I thought that I needed to wait a couple of weeks for them to get used to the chicken. And I am feeding them twice a day.

Brandi Bryant <bbryant573@gmail.com> wrote: >>> started the dogs on raw this week and my puppy has developed
diarrhea I have only give her one chicken leg at a feeding<<<

My guess is that your puppy's system hasn't adjusted to the RAW meat yet, it
takes time. The group will probably ask you are feeding him just chicken,
have you given organs, they will cause diarrhea. With diarrhea you feed
more bone...did they give you the percentages? 80% meat, 10% organ and 10%
bone...you want to feed 2 - 3 % of their ESTIMATED adult weight. How many
times are you feeding? More answers will be on the way...

Hang in there,
Brandi
Bartlesville,OK

On 9/22/07, abeautiful3 <abeautiful3@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> I started the dogs on raw this week and my puppy has developed
> diarrhea I have only give her one chicken leg at a feeding.
>
> The other dogs seem to tolerate the raw chicken pretty good although I
> see some bone in the poop.
>
> I am concerned about the diarrhea
>
> Arlene
>
>
>

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Bartlesville, Ok
www.obediencetrainingclubofbartlesville.com

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6d. Re: new to raw need help
Posted by: "Brandi Bryant" bbryant573@gmail.com bbryant573
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 7:36 pm ((PDT))

>>>I have not feed them organs yet I thought that I needed to wait a couple
of weeks for them to get used to the chicken. And I am feeding them twice a
day.<<<

Arlene, my guess would be that your puppy just not use to the chicken yet -
what kind of dog, what exactly are you feeding thighs, backs, breast
etc......you can feed all part of the chicken - I get whole chickens and cut
them up...my GS puppy is a gulper so I have to feed her bigger chucks she's
about 6 months old and she gets a half of a chicken by herself....

Brandi
Bartlesville

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7a. Re: HELP PLEASE? AVOCADO PIT :(((
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 5:01 pm ((PDT))

On Sep 22, 2007, at 1:21 PM, Cdandp2@aol.com wrote:

> Spencer swallowed an avocado pit in the park today before I could
> get it
> from him....sigh. Everything I looked up says "toxic" "poison"
> damage to
> heart/lungs (the guy already has heartworms in there...sigh).
>
> PLEASE if anyone has any info/suggestions/etc to calm me down
> please send
> them along. I hope this will get through. I don't know where else
> to turn for
> advice/help.
>
> Carol for Spencer
>
> Also for everyone's information, I guess the thing in urgan parks
> these days
> is for people to consume whole avocados and then just toss the skin
> and pit
> on the ground rather than in the trash bin which, BTW, was only 2
> feet away
> !!!!!!*&*(^&%$#@#$)!!!!!!!!!

My worry would be that it's small enough to pass. I don't think
there's any way his enzymes will be able to break this thing down
enough to worry about poisoning. I went and read everything, too, and
what I'm getting is that it has been leaves, fed in quantity, which
have caused most of the reported problems, and those not in dogs but
in horses, or birds, or cats. Although Persin, as a plant lectin, is
found in all parts of the plant, as with Belladonna in the
Solanaceae, there is a huge variation in tolerance and in the amounts
found in different places in the plant. I would venture to say that
in actuality there is probably as much toxin in one pit as there is
in the average potato or tomato.

Was this a big one, and did he chew it up? I'd feed him lots, to
encourage motility to push it through fast.

I really think there are very few toxins out there which do not
affect us and the dogs about equally. If they are more likely to show
symptoms, perhaps we are either more habituated to certain poisons in
our food, or less aware of the results as symptomatic. The poor
animals get treated so terribly - who would feed avocado branches to
his horse? And yet folks do. Just as folks worry about apple seeds or
apricot pits, I guess one can worry about avocado pits. But I really
do not think enough was ingested to do any harm.

That said, boy, you'd better let us know what's going on...

ginny and Tomo

All stunts performed without a net!

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7b. Re: HELP PLEASE? AVOCADO PIT :(((
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 5:04 pm ((PDT))

Cdandp2@... wrote:
>
> Spencer swallowed an avocado pit in the park today before I could
get it
> from him....sigh. Everything I looked up says "toxic" "poison"
damage to
> heart/lungs (the guy already has heartworms in there...sigh).
>
> PLEASE if anyone has any info/suggestions/etc to calm me down
please send
> them along.
*****
I have read of too many dogs safely eating too many avocado pits to
recommend immediate panic. I've also read of dogs chowing down on
avocado leaves, which are also supposed to be dangerous, and yes,
even the skins.

My guess is a vet visit will tell you to keep an eye on Spencer and
if he shows discomfort to bring him back in. My guess is if he can
poop the thing out he's good to go. I'd be more concerned about that
than about toxicity, myself.

So keep an eye on Spencer and if he shows discomfort take him to the
vet.
Chris O

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8. raw meaty bones.
Posted by: "paul.granitegallery" paul.granitegallery@yahoo.com paul.granitegallery
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 6:46 pm ((PDT))

My 5 lb, 10 week old Havanese swallowed a thigh bones without chewing.
Should I be concerned?

Paul

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9a. I tried and raw is just not going to work.
Posted by: "one_sojourner_one" onesojourner@gmail.com one_sojourner_one
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 7:36 pm ((PDT))

Well we have offered our 4 month cairn pup chicken, beef, pork and
fish. He will eat beef and thats it. Unfortunately beef is pricey and
the bones are not good for a small dog. I start making some ground
beef recipes and kibble combo. I might look into some more exotic
animals like rabbits or goat but that is not going to be easy to find.
So I wont be able to keep a good supply on that stuff on hand. I can't
starve this growing guy until he eats so, I can't just let him skip
meals until he gets hungry enough to eat this stuff. He is a picky
eater and I am quickly running out of options.

-peter

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9b. Re: I tried and raw is just not going to work.
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 8:47 pm ((PDT))

So what is going to work for this guy? You have a 4-month-old puppy who
won't eat kibble so you tried raw....in a week's time he has refused
chicken, beef, pork and fish. What other options do you have?

I think you need to stop catering to him....the more you worry, fret and
offer him new foods, the worse it's going to get.
Picky eaters are made, not born. You cannot let your dog dictate what he is
going to eat! Somewhere along the line you have got to take the upper hand,
give the guy some food and walk away. If he eats, fine...if not, that's
also fine. It's his choice! He will *not* starve himself.

We have discussed this often in the past. You might want to look back in
the archives about picky eaters....here's one to get you started....
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/132122

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "one_sojourner_one" <onesojourner@gmail.com>

Well we have offered our 4 month cairn pup chicken, beef, pork and
fish. He will eat beef and thats it. Unfortunately beef is pricey and
the bones are not good for a small dog. I start making some ground
beef recipes and kibble combo. I might look into some more exotic
animals like rabbits or goat but that is not going to be easy to find.
So I wont be able to keep a good supply on that stuff on hand. I can't
starve this growing guy until he eats so, I can't just let him skip
meals until he gets hungry enough to eat this stuff. He is a picky
eater and I am quickly running out of options.

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9c. Re: I tried and raw is just not going to work.
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:54 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "one_sojourner_one"
<onesojourner@...> wrote:
>
> He is a picky
> eater and I am quickly running out of options.
>
> -peter

He is a pickey eater because you allow him to be.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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10a. Help! Creative solutions req'd...
Posted by: "rachelerm" rachel@gosonic.ca rachelerm
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 8:29 pm ((PDT))

OK, here's the deal. In a couple of weeks we're going camping w/
another family and we're each bringing our puppies. (Ours - a 5 month
Collie-X - is currently fed raw twice a day. Theirs is k*****-fed.)
We're going for 10 days but the most complicating factor (in my mind)
is that we are crossing the border from Canada into the United States
and will not be allowed to bring any raw meat products across the
border. (We're heading to N. Carolina, and I know they have grocery
stores there, but I don't want to make this a huge issue as I am the
only strong proponent of feeding raw - dh already thinks it's too much
"work" for me.)

Any suggestions??

(I really am at a loss as to what to do...earlier this summer we were
at a cottage for a week without access to a fridge/freezer and we
tried some grain-free k***** stuff but that gave poor puppy the runs
(perhaps the change was too drastic). Then at the end of the summer I
was away for a week and left my brother with store-bought frozen
"patties" to simplify the whole process, but I felt bad that puppy
devoured his meal in 30 sec. flat and had nothing to chew/work on. I
suppose I could try and pick up something from a grocery store once
we're down there...if anyone has any tips for where to go in NC it'd
be greatly appreciated! We'll be in some state/national park (I'll
find out where exactly tomorrow...))

Any other border crossing experiences?

Many thanks,
Rachel
in Ontario, Canada

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10b. Re: Help! Creative solutions req'd...
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:54 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "rachelerm" <rachel@...> wrote:
>
> OK, here's the deal. In a couple of weeks we're going camping w/
> another family and we're each bringing our puppies.
>
> Any suggestions??

I suggest you take a cooler just for your dog, find a Super Walmart
where you can get chicken quarters for about $.45 or so a pound in
10 pound packages. Get whatever amount you can, ice them down and
they should be good for most of the trip. It won't hurt your dog to
eat chicken only for a couple of weeks.

You could also buy some dehydrated stuff but if its pracical I
prefer the chicken quarters.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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11. Need advice on weight loss for large mixed breed
Posted by: "cockatoos4" cockatoos4@yahoo.com cockatoos4
Date: Sat Sep 22, 2007 10:54 pm ((PDT))

I have researched the archives and e-mailed privately with a helpful
group member about the subject of weight loss, but, at the risk of
going over old ground, I wanted to write to the whole group to get more
advice about helping my 9-year-old mixed breed, JinJin (a Rotty cross),
lose weight.

I've been feeding her raw for a month. She's about 12-15 pounds
overweight, is arthritic, and has a torn left ACL. (She was starving
when I adopted her from our local RSPCA a little over a year ago, and
she put on weight faster than I realized.) She's on a low dose of
generic Rimadyl for the pain. She gets two walks a day, but her
activity level is otherwise pretty low.

I'm feeding her 2 percent of a target weight, which figures out to
about 1.7 lbs of food a day. I give her a wide variety of protein, all
of which she eats readily; I'm an American living in Australia until
next year, so I have easy access to low-fat kangaroo meat, one of her
favorites. I trim excess fat and skin off any meat I give her but am
careful about leaving a little bit on. Feeding her twice a day works
best for us right now. She hasn't lost any weight yet.

I'd be grateful for any advice about anything else I can try,
reassurance that I'm doing the right thing, or how long I can expect to
wait before I start seeing results. If this post is more appropriate
for the Raw Health group, please let me know and I'll post it there.

Thanks,
Gemma

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