[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12075

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. off topic hot ears
From: lhmcmaken
1b. Re: off topic hot ears
From: Laurie Swanson

2.1. Re: I've had enough - quitting raw
From: Mary
2.2. Re: I've had enough - quitting raw
From: Shannon Hully

3.1. Re: I've had enough - RAW blood levels
From: Anna Labriola

4.1. Re: whole vs. ground foods (was Feeding Heads)
From: Laurie Swanson

5a. FYI for newbies
From: Anna Labriola
5b. Re: FYI for newbies
From: Giselle

6a. Re: Hot Spots Problem - Is it the Food?
From: Giselle

7a. Crab bait?
From: girlndocs
7b. Re: Crab bait?
From: Karen Swanay

8a. {Raw Feeding} A RAW diet help control seizures?
From: Brandi Bryant
8b. Re: {Raw Feeding} A RAW diet help control seizures?
From: Kaitlin Fraser

9a. Re: I tried and raw is just not going to work.
From: Bumble1994@aol.com
9b. Re: I tried and raw is just not going to work.
From: costrowski75

10.1. Re: Feeding Heads
From: Laurie Swanson

11. new to RAW, but my English Mastiff is loving it
From: mastiffmom08012

12. Re: re vet said not to feed raw liver
From: tantelin22@aol.com

13a. Re: Success! ( Question of my own on poop
From: costrowski75
13b. Re: Success! ( Question of my own on poop
From: Kaitlin Fraser

14a. Re: Fish body oil
From: costrowski75

15.1. ADMIN/Re: I've had enough - quitting raw- swiffer
From: costrowski75

16a. Going to start!
From: T Smith
16b. Re: Going to start!
From: Maggie Smith

17. feeding fish and smaller bones
From: michelle.pinkney

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1a. off topic hot ears
Posted by: "lhmcmaken" lhmcmaken@yahoo.com lhmcmaken
Date: Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:07 pm ((PDT))

i trust this group, so here is my problem. my dane with natural ears
has been spending more time lying down in the woods. real dry and
dusty now. i cleaned his ears a couple of weeks ago and they were
dirty. and the last couple of days he has been shaking his head,
flapping the ears, and today i felt them and they were hot. and dark
red inside. i cleaned them again and got brown dirt. no blood. none
of the dark wax that i got a couple of weeks ago. i have not had to
deal with this before so am open to your good ideas. thanks.
taek care,
lynda and maude and franklin

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1b. Re: off topic hot ears
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:10 pm ((PDT))

Is he getting any grains/starches/veggies? Removing all of those items
helped my dog's ears finally clear up.

Laurie

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2.1. Re: I've had enough - quitting raw
Posted by: "Mary" maryjwilliams@comcast.net ryanlw23
Date: Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:08 pm ((PDT))

Tina:

Maybe this link might help.

http://www.antechdiagnostics.com/clients/antechNews/2003/jun03_02.htm

The conclusion was: "While a more detailed analysis has yet to be
completed, these results indicate that dogs fed raw meats (natural
carnivores) have higher red blood cell and blood urea nitrogen levels
than dogs fed cereal-based food (obligate omnivores). Thus, the normal
reference values for dogs fed raw food diets should probably be revised."

On the flip side, I would also Google the opposing views about
Antech's "study."

--Mary Williams

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Tina Berry" <k9baron@...> wrote:
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> "A raw diet is not going to cause pancreatitis, kidney disease, upper
> respiratory or any other kind of infections, nosebleeds, elevated
blood cell
> counts...or cancer!"
>
> I thought I read on this list that blood levels are different for a
raw fed
> dog vs kibble fed and if the vet doesn't know the difference, find
another
> vet. Can someone confirm this?
> --
> Tina Berry - MT
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2.2. Re: I've had enough - quitting raw
Posted by: "Shannon Hully" summerwolf@theherbalhotline.com bluehankw
Date: Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:13 pm ((PDT))

Vickie,

I'm so sorry you're having to deal with all of this!! :-( I can't
help with the hubby problem, it took me a long time to work mine up to
where he's at, and I'm still in charge of the feeding! LOL

As for the pancreatitis, I can give you my perspective. I had a German
Shepherd (a breed genetically prone to pancreatitis and EPI which is
essentially pancreatitis that never goes away) who had pancreatitis as
a puppy (while being fed ki**le) and it developped into EPI. Fast
forward to early this year: My then 12.5yr old Shepherd had
deteriorated (due to age) and we were thinking he was going to go any
time. I had already switched my cats to raw but had been worried to
try him because of his digestive disease. I found a Yahoo group for
EPI dog owners that had an in-depth recipe for raw feeding EPI dogs and
I finally took the plunge. It did absolute WONDERS for my old, slowly
dying before my eyes, dog. (don't think it's the fountain of youth
here, he had to be put down at the end of July, but he'd have been put
down months before that if we hadn't switched.)

He felt better, he regained interest in food, he smelled better, his
poo (which is an obsession with people dealing with pancreatitis/EPI!
LOL) improved tremendously (quantity, quality... :-D), his teeth got
better, his breath was great...

What I'm getting at is that this dog with a digestive disease for 11
YEARS was greatly helped by this diet, whereas having him on Science
Diet ID for all those years did worse than nothing for him (we had to
hand feed him the ki**le by the time I switched him, he wouldn't eat
any other way, and even then he was only eating to make me happy.)

As someone pointed out, dogs evolved to be able to eat feces from other
species. ...I'm *fairly* certain that what I buy at my grocery store
or my butcher's is lower in bacteria and such than what my GSD used to
gobble out of the kitty litter at every possible opportunity! LOL
Meanwhile my new, never-do-anything-to-upset-you-if-at-all-possible
Greyhound revels in finding rabbit poo in my backyard and eating it.
Dogs is dogs and their stomach acid and digestive enzymes have evolved
to deal with food that is "high" (read: rotten!), they are fully
equipped to deal with human-grade food from the grocery store.

I second (third?) the suggestion to get a second opinion. When my vet
checked over my Grey last week (first visit) she asked what I fed him.
I gave half-truths (I hate lying so *technically* everything I said was
true! LOL). I said when I got him he was on Ol' Roy and that we
wanted to switch him once he'd had some time to adjust so he didn't
have too much stress on his system at once. She gave me a concerned
look and asked what I planned to switch him to. I said we hadn't
chosen one thing in particular (chicken? venison? beef? LOL) and
would see what was out there and choose something appropriate. (My
tongue was so far into my cheek I was sure it was going to come out the
other side! hehe)

Pancreatitis can be something that doesn't recur, I'll have my fingers
crossed that if it is that, it is only a one-time thing and nothing
more.

Shannon H.

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3.1. Re: I've had enough - RAW blood levels
Posted by: "Anna Labriola" taggartgalt@yahoo.com taggartgalt
Date: Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:08 pm ((PDT))

> I thought I read on this list that blood levels are different for a
raw fed
> dog vs kibble fed and if the vet doesn't know the difference, find
another
> vet. Can someone confirm this?

Not that I'm a veteran, but Khan has been on only raw food for at least
13 weeks(3 months and a week.) He just got neutered and had pre op
blood levels that were normal per vet staff. (Now my doc does advocate
raw.)

Anna and Khan

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4.1. Re: whole vs. ground foods (was Feeding Heads)
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:13 pm ((PDT))

There are a lot of benefits to feeding whole parts, not ground. Dental
hygiene (a biggie!), mental/physical engagement, satisfaction of
chewing/tearing...it also gives the digestive system more time to
prepare, with enzymes, etc., so digestion is better. It is better for
blood sugar issues/pancreatitis, etc. to not feed ground.

I do feed Kongs, stuffed w/ground meat and frozen, a couple times a
week, though--I think it's ok sometimes, and it takes my dog 1/2 hr. to
get through a frozen Kong, so it's not the same as giving him a bowlful.

It's pretty easy to feed in a crate, on a towel or blanket,
outside...and it's quite fun to watch them eat "real" food.

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "M Williams" <twilli55@...> wrote:
>
> Can you just feed like ground meat or does it have to be the
whole "chicken leg" per say?

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5a. FYI for newbies
Posted by: "Anna Labriola" taggartgalt@yahoo.com taggartgalt
Date: Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:18 pm ((PDT))

Hello, all.

I just wanted to share my story for all the newer newbies than me. I
got my pup at 10 weeks old(brown doberman.) The breeder fed his dad
all raw, but the pups kibble in the am, chicken drumsticks and/or
sardines at night. A week after we got him home, he began having
diarrhea. I took him off the raw, but the diarrhea continued. We
decided to try all raw instead and from then on, he wouldn't eat the
kibble at all!! Now, for about a month or two, he would alterate
between softer stool and solid stool. It really took him (and me) a
long time to get his bowels adjusted. Now, he recently ate most of a
beef heart and had the dark brown, runny, liquidy poo, but, the next
bowel movement was completely normal.

I will say, however, that every time he had runny stool(like the time
he woke me up four times one night cuz mom foolishly gave him a whole
chicken liver a few weeks into the game) he acted 'urgently' before I
took him outside. He did have some bad, bad cannonball squirts that
scared me. But, once he pooped, he was back to normal, nubbie
wagging and all. No distress at all, regardless of how often or how
he went. I don't think their soft stool distresses them anywhere
near as much as it bothers us. ("Oh, it's gotta come out, sigh,
there, it's out. Hey, mom!!")

Hope this can reassure some new people out there. Sometimes it takes
a while for their stomachs to settle down(or for us to get it
right!! :O) ) But, seriously, I can't ever see myself going back.
And, I'm a vegetarian/organic eater, too. Why would I feed myself
a "natural" diet, then feed my furkid some processed crap?? And
yeah, it's hard to cut up the meat(ewww!!) But, I suck it up cuz
it's what's best for the pup.

Now, he'll be 26 weeks on Thursday, beautiful coat(he did have
dandruff and puppy staph,) beautiful teeth, growing 1-3 pounds a
week. A healthy, happy pup. People stop me on the street and tell
me how beautiful he is.

Hope my positive story can provide some reassurance.

Anna and Khan

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5b. Re: FYI for newbies
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:03 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Anna!
I'm glad Khan has adjusted well!

A post from someone like you who has recently worked through these
distressful episodes must be a lot more reassuring than a ton of us
long time raw feeders, who say "Its just loose poops, it'll be fine,
really." ^_^

Thanks!
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> Hello, all.
>
> I just wanted to share my story for all the newer newbies than me.
<snip>
> Hope this can reassure some new people out there. Sometimes it takes
> a while for their stomachs to settle down(or for us to get it
> right!! :O) ) But, seriously, I can't ever see myself going back.
> And, I'm a vegetarian/organic eater, too. Why would I feed myself
> a "natural" diet, then feed my furkid some processed crap?? And
> yeah, it's hard to cut up the meat(ewww!!) But, I suck it up cuz
> it's what's best for the pup.
>
> Now, he'll be 26 weeks on Thursday, beautiful coat(he did have
> dandruff and puppy staph,) beautiful teeth, growing 1-3 pounds a
> week. A healthy, happy pup. People stop me on the street and tell
> me how beautiful he is.
>
> Hope my positive story can provide some reassurance.
>
> Anna and Khan
>

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6a. Re: Hot Spots Problem - Is it the Food?
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:30 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Chrystine!
Its not likely your dog is allergic to raw meat.

Are you sure he hasn't been given processed treats by someone else?

Are you sure he doesn't have fleas, or wasn't bitten by a tick?

What about 'spot on' flea treatments like Advantage or Frontline? When
I used these products, I could never give these treatments to my
Schipperkes, as each one would develop a scabby sore right in the
areas of where the treatment was applied.

Unless the beef is enhanced with seasonings, flavorings or injected
with a saline solution, I don't think it could be the cause.

I'd look at something else he's ingested or something environmental.

TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> My 4 year old Shiba Inu just started on the raw food diet 3 weeks ago.
> Lately I have been giving him beef this past week. But he's also
> developing a hot spot on his back.
<snip>
> Please help! Thank you.
>
> Chrystine Z.
>

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7a. Crab bait?
Posted by: "girlndocs" girlndocs@hotmail.com girlndocs
Date: Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:58 pm ((PDT))

My grocery store always has frozen bags of "crab bait" for 69 cents a
pound. The price is right but I'm not sure it's something that would
be good to feed Zoe. I was able to identify some of the bags as being
full of turkey parts; others look like smoked meats.

So what the heck is "crab bait"? I know crabs are scavengers and eat
decaying stuff, so is this honest to goodness rotten meat, or just
stinky stuff my dog wouldn't mind (even if I might)?

Thanks,

Kristin

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7b. Re: Crab bait?
Posted by: "Karen Swanay" luvbullbreeds@gmail.com kswanay1111
Date: Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:10 pm ((PDT))

I doubt your grocery store would be allowed to sell rotten meat in any way.
What it is most likely is necks, bits of trim and meats that are past their
sell by date but not rotten. You could feed it if you knew what it was.
Certainly you don't want her having lots of processed meats. But that's a
pretty high price for bait IMO. You can buy a whole chicken for less than
that per lb.
Karen

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8a. {Raw Feeding} A RAW diet help control seizures?
Posted by: "Brandi Bryant" bbryant573@gmail.com bbryant573
Date: Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:00 pm ((PDT))

I have a friend that has a young sheltie under 4 years of age who has
seizures, started about I'm guessing 2 to 3 months ago, and of course
the vet has her on the seizure medicine can't pronounce it not even
going to try to spell it - I'm asking for just some general opinions -
and then I will get some information from her and relay it to you all.
I immediately told her that she needs to be on a RAW diet...what do
you all think?

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8b. Re: {Raw Feeding} A RAW diet help control seizures?
Posted by: "Kaitlin Fraser" fraserk7@hotmail.com fraserk7
Date: Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:12 pm ((PDT))

***MODERATOR'S NOTE: PLEASE TRIM YOUR MESSAGES.***

Cut vaccinations and raw feeding ten to help sezuires.

Kaitlin Fraser
Prince SJA therapy dog, CGN
Jester SJA therapy dog CGN
Wenlisa's Command Performance HIC, CKC majorPTd "Malo" A work of art in
progress.( Raw Fed, )
Sheep's Kin Unusually Unusaul Kiska- Another work of art in even more
progress.( Raw fed)

No dogs are vaccinated in my home.

" No one can walk into a room and bring as much joy, happyness and love as a
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>From: "Brandi Bryant" <bbryant573@gmail.com>
>Reply-To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
>To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [rawfeeding] {Raw Feeding} A RAW diet help control seizures?
>Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:02:26 -0600
>
>I have a friend that has a young sheltie under 4 years of age who has
>seizures, started about I'm guessing 2 to 3 months ago, and of course
>the vet has her on the seizure medicine can't pronounce it not even
>going to try to spell it - I'm asking for just some general opinions -
>and then I will get some information from her and relay it to you all.
> I immediately told her that she needs to be on a RAW diet...what do
>you all think?
>
>--
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>Bartlesville, Ok
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9a. Re: I tried and raw is just not going to work.
Posted by: "Bumble1994@aol.com" Bumble1994@aol.com bumble1994
Date: Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:01 pm ((PDT))

When I hadn't gotten my cats eating bone after a couple of weeks and was
getting worried about it, I opened up one of my calcium capsules and tossed a
tiny pinch onto each cat's small chicken chunks.

When I saw the interesting hard white poop that happened after that, I
skipped the calcium....but the cats were agreeable to chicken necks when first
offered, so it was a non-issue.

Lynda

In a message dated 9/25/2007 9:40:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
"costrowski75" writes:

You can also use pulverized calcium supps. When I was having to force feed
my sick cat, I used calcium citrate w/o vitamin D. 900-1000mg per pound of
food.

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9b. Re: I tried and raw is just not going to work.
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:31 pm ((PDT))

Bumble1994@... wrote:
I opened up one of my calcium capsules and tossed a
> tiny pinch onto each cat's small chicken chunks.
>
> When I saw the interesting hard white poop that happened after that,
I
> skipped the calcium....but the cats were agreeable to chicken necks
when first
> offered, so it was a non-issue.
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I don't know how much a "tiny pinch" is nor the size of your cats or
the size of their meals, so it's hard to draw any conclusions. My
guess is you gave too big a dose. I mixed a half pound of meat with
one and a half ground tablets and fed through the meat. My cat's stools
were uneventful.

No question that raw meaty bones are the best and easiest way to
provide the right amount of calcium. Certainly if there's a choice (or
a ray of hope), whole meaty bones beat all.
Chris O

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10.1. Re: Feeding Heads
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:03 pm ((PDT))

lol Chris, ain't that the truth! :-) Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "costrowski75" <Chriso75@...> wrote:
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> "Laurie Swanson" <laurie@> wrote:
> >I was just joking about the
> > beginners/advanced lists, but I just meant that if we had that, we
> > wouldn't scare newbies away talking about feeding heads! :-)
> *****
> But you know what would, don't you--loose stools.
>
> Heck, a good raw diet has something scary for everyone!
> Chris O
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11. new to RAW, but my English Mastiff is loving it
Posted by: "mastiffmom08012" mastiffmom08012@yahoo.com mastiffmom08012
Date: Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:07 pm ((PDT))

AND reaping all the benefits. Hello, I'm new to this group but I do
belong to an English Mastiff group. I'm very new to this RAW feeding
(only been at it for approx 1 month) but I have seen such an increase
in his activity level and cleaning up after him in the yard is much
easier.

Can you guys provide me with more education on RAW?? I want to become
more knowledgeable on this subject.

Thank you

Angela

ps, can I post pics here of my Mel?

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12. Re: re vet said not to feed raw liver
Posted by: "tantelin22@aol.com" tantelin22@aol.com tantelindar
Date: Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:07 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 9/25/2007 12:58:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com writes:

>>If you want to minimize the specter of sickness and unhealthy
organs, buy freerange organic liver<<

==============
That *is* a wild image...! :)

OTOH, I have to say, even though the liver is a filter, yes, the body has to
clean the filter or we'd all be dead. That still means that at any given
time there *are* a certain level of toxins in the liver, and there is almost
always a residue that remains, because no system is 100% efficient. That
means that eating the liver is eating those toxins.

The obvious solution is to eat *younger* livers from healthier animals.
Poultry are generally only weeks old when slaughtered; those are pretty clean
livers. Lamb and calf liver is cleaner than the much cheaper beef liver.
Organic and free-range sources are healthier than commercial/grocery store
sources.

Why is liver considered an absolute necessity? What does liver have that no
other part of the prey animal has?

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13a. Re: Success! ( Question of my own on poop
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:14 pm ((PDT))

"Kaitlin Fraser" <fraserk7@...> wrote:
>> But a question... Malo has green solid poop? And he had white poop
> yesturday? Any ideas? He checks out as healthy.
*****
Can't begin to know without more information. Details?
Chris O
(Please remember to trim your posts.)

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13b. Re: Success! ( Question of my own on poop
Posted by: "Kaitlin Fraser" fraserk7@hotmail.com fraserk7
Date: Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:36 pm ((PDT))

Sorry about trimming the posts.

He had Chicken yesturday... Lamb the day before... Today was Turkey and left
over chicken..... Umm... apprently someone gave him a milkbone.... but that
shouldn't give him green poop.... I wasn't runny.... it was solid...
green... lie light green poop... completely digested

Kaitlin Fraser
Prince SJA therapy dog, CGN
Jester SJA therapy dog CGN
Wenlisa's Command Performance HIC, CKC majorPTd "Malo" A work of art in
progress.( Raw Fed, )
Sheep's Kin Unusually Unusaul Kiska- Another work of art in even more
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No dogs are vaccinated in my home.

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14a. Re: Fish body oil
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:22 pm ((PDT))

Yasuko herron <sunshine_annamaria@...> wrote:
> I give fish body oil on fishday as well (usually omega 3 rich
fish),then,too much omega 3 and cause over dose from fish body oil?
*****
Depends on how much FBO you give and how big the fish meal is.
However, unless you are dosing quite heavily (1000mg/10lb or higher
every day) I can't see a fish meal's Omega 3 levels as contributing to
an overdose.

You would most likely see "too much" Omega 3 producing loose stools.
Chris O

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15.1. ADMIN/Re: I've had enough - quitting raw- swiffer
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:35 pm ((PDT))

Okay, enough with the Swiffer. Please take this discussion to RawChat.
Thank you.
Chris O
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16a. Going to start!
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:36 pm ((PDT))

OK folks.
We bought chicken & will start the 4 & 5 month old Dane pups tomorrow
morning on RAW.
Just chicken to start (with bones)......
Trina
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Joey (deaf & blind Lhasa Apso)
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16b. Re: Going to start!
Posted by: "Maggie Smith" redkeds@comcast.net redkeds1
Date: Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:00 pm ((PDT))

Way to go Trina - you are on the right track! What about Casper?

Maggie, Rufus and Oliver--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "T Smith"
<coldbeach@...> wrote:
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> OK folks.
> We bought chicken & will start the 4 & 5 month old Dane pups tomorrow
> morning on RAW.
> Just chicken to start (with bones)......

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17. feeding fish and smaller bones
Posted by: "michelle.pinkney" michelle.pinkney@yahoo.com michelle.pinkney
Date: Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:01 pm ((PDT))

Hi all

I am new to raw feeding and to this group - we have two beautiful
black labrador pups, now 15 weeks old. Of course we wanted to give
them the best food we could and so did lots of research. They love
their raw food! We have only been feeding raw for about 2 weeks. So
far we have fed whole chickens, cut into quarters, meaty pork spare
ribs, liver and beef bolar roast (special treat!!). The dogs are
loving their food and we have had no problems, except very runny
yellow poop to start with. I took the skin off the chicken and that
solved the problem.

So far I haven't fed fish. Fish is extremely expensive in New
Zealand so will probably have to send my husband out to catch some.
How often should I feed fish and how necessary is it?

Also I bought pork hock with small bits of bone in it and worried
that the pups might swallow the bone whole so cut it out. Is it
better to avoid those kind of cuts?

Reading your advice in this group has given me so much guidance!
Thanks

Michelle with Bing and Spencer (labrador pups)

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