[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12079

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Pancreatitis
From: Sandee Lee
1b. Pancreatitis
From: Monica

2a. Re: Link between high protein diets and "hyper" behavior?
From: woofwoofgrrl
2b. Re: Link between high protein diets and "hyper" behavior?
From: girlndocs
2c. Re: Link between high protein diets and "hyper" behavior?
From: themilochs

3a. Re: A week in and need help
From: Renate
3b. Re: A week in and need help
From: Laura Atkinson
3c. Re: A week in and need help
From: Dawn Taylor
3d. Re: A week in and need help
From: Renate
3e. Re: A week in and need help
From: Dawn Taylor

4a. Re: Outdated Meat
From: Penny (Nickles) Parker
4b. Re: Outdated Meat
From: Marjorie Trebino

5a. Re: Supplement Question...again
From: T Smith

6a. Re: new to RAW, but my English Mastiff is loving it
From: jerseykev@aol.com
6b. Re: new to RAW, but my English Mastiff is loving it
From: T Smith

7a. Re: 4 dogs starting
From: delcaste
7b. Re: 4 dogs starting
From: Francine-Texas
7c. Re: 4 dogs starting
From: T Smith
7d. Re: 4 dogs starting
From: T Smith
7e. Re: 4 dogs starting
From: Laurie Swanson
7f. Re: 4 dogs starting
From: Laurie Swanson

8. puking pets
From: rawnewfie

9.1. Re: New to Raw
From: Laurie Swanson

10. Link between high protein diets and "hyper" behavior?
From: Tracy Meal

11a. Re: New to the group/questions
From: T Smith

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1a. Re: Pancreatitis
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 3:50 pm ((PDT))

I'm not certain what is going on...but unless the grass had recently been
treated with insecticides, that wouldn't be a problem. I do not think this
has a thing to do with diet. Rimadyl does have pancreatitis and elevation of
some of the pancreatic enzymes listed as adverse effects, but from a month
ago, I don't know. What were his symptoms and do you have the results of
the blood work???

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: <DPM333@aol.com>

> Over a month ago he had some blood in his stool & the vet gave him 75mg of
Rimadyl & 250mg of Amoxitab.? It cleared everything up just fine & I even
quit the meds 1/2 way threw.? I do not give him heartworm pills, & I only
let the vet give him his puppy shots up to 4 months.? He does eat grass, but
come on he's a dog & a bull terrier at that, he eats everything.? He was at
a new dog park the other day & also had his 1st bee sting.? Could it be from
too much organ in his diet?? Could it be stress??? Thanks Derek

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1b. Pancreatitis
Posted by: "Monica" mommyof2gals@comcast.net mommyof2gals
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 5:13 pm ((PDT))

My Kees, Loki, came down with Pancreatitis last April. We've raw fed him
since he was 4mths old (he's now 4yrs).

We stopped the vomiting by fasting him for 48 hrs and only giving him tiny
bits of water - basically ice cubes in a dish -during that time. Then very
slowly reintroduced small bits of skinless chicken breast with some canned
pumpkin (to control his BM's) several times each day for the next 3 or 4
days.

After that, we reintroduced chicken quarters but I took off most of the skin
and he ate that for several weeks. I've since reintroduced pork successfully
and gizzards. I have not tried organ meat yet.

It seems to be fat that can trigger it. So go slowly and if you see any
signs of it reoccurring, drop the fatty food from the diet or greatly reduce
it. I've since given several chicken quarters with only the excess skin
removed but left the majority of it with no problems so its an ongoing
process.

Good luck!
Monica, Loki, Tyr, Tizzy and 3 ornary cats

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2a. Re: Link between high protein diets and "hyper" behavior?
Posted by: "woofwoofgrrl" cmc4lists1@gastrounit.com woofwoofgrrl
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 4:08 pm ((PDT))

I would guess that it's probably more of a link between the
carbohydrates and inappropriate ingredients in kibble that are more
likely to make a dog hyper, not the protein content.

Christine

dogladyme wrote:
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>
> Hi all- I'm currently taking an obedience class with my 6 m/o male GSD.
> There are 6 other dogs in the class including a spitz and an aussie,
> who bark and carry on for almost the whole hour of class, pretty much
> totally distracted the whole time.
>
> The instructor- who I feel handles all these dogs very well and teaches
> with a clicker and only positive strategies- encouraged these owners-
> who are all feeding kibble- to switch to some other food with a lower
> percentage of protein. She knows that I feed my guy raw and as she was
> making this suggestion to these other owners, looked at me and my guy,
> who was calmly lying on the floor in the midst of all this chaos, and
> was very perplexed because he ONLY gets protein.
>
> Can anyone comment on this idea that high protein diets may make some
> dogs "hyper"?
>
> Thanks! Mary
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2b. Re: Link between high protein diets and "hyper" behavior?
Posted by: "girlndocs" girlndocs@hotmail.com girlndocs
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 4:08 pm ((PDT))

Don't forget water -- raw food is much higher in water content than
kibble, and water isn't protein either.

Kristin

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Laura Atkinson" <llatkinson@...>
wrote:
> A chicken breast is, what, 18% protein? There's some fat in it,
> that's not protein, some bone with vitamins and minerals, that's not
> protein.

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2c. Re: Link between high protein diets and "hyper" behavior?
Posted by: "themilochs" themilochs@yahoo.com themilochs
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 4:37 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "dogladyme" <ooblab@...> wrote:

> Can anyone comment on this idea that high protein diets may make some
> dogs "hyper"?

**** Sure... it's silly! Did she mention any other toxins?
Environmental, doctor/vet recommended, nutritional or otherwise? I
think there are many factors that lead to neurological damage, which
create hyper animals - or animals that manifest that damage by some
other symptom. In humans, I now firmly believe it to be over-
vaccination, generations of toxic abuse and nutritional deficiency.
Your species appropriately fed pup is proof!

Jamie M.

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3a. Re: A week in and need help
Posted by: "Renate" renate.tideswell@gmail.com tideswell_renate
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 4:08 pm ((PDT))

Thank you, Dawn. It does help. Bella had no problem chowing down on
whatever I gave her and fought to keep it. So obviously her attitude
towards kibble and her attitude to raw are totally different. Cause with
kibble, it was 'take it or leave it, who cares...'
Renate

On 9/26/07, Dawn Taylor <dawnmarie1968@tx.rr.com> wrote:
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> " Anyway I've been giving all of them a leg
> quarter a day. I think that's right for the poodle, but I now think it's
> about twice as much as I should be feeding the tzus. So today I gave them
> a
> leg about .1kg each, but they seem very hungry and keep trying to lead me
> to
> the expens where I feed them. Am I going insane?"
>
> I think it's probably too much for the tzus. I have two little dogs, one
> 10 pounds (about right for her) and one that's 14, but should be about 10.
> I'm feeding about 4 ounces a day, plus .5 oz organs each day. It's HARD to
> feed this small of an amount because the portions are so, so small. If
> there's a bone, the portion will be over the daily allowance so I have to be
> flexible over the course of a week.
>
> My 14 pounder was actually gaining weight on 6 ounces a day! If I fed him
> a chicken quarter, he'd probably get the squirts. Penny too.
>
> Hope this helps a little...
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> Dawn Taylor
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Renate
'The more I learn about men, the more I love my Shih Tzu'

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3b. Re: A week in and need help
Posted by: "Laura Atkinson" llatkinson@gmail.com lauraatkinson2002
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 4:16 pm ((PDT))

Well, yeah. You put a pile o' brussel sprouts and lima beans on my
plate and put chocolate cake on the other, guess which plate I'll take
you to the floor over <grin>

On 9/26/07, Renate <renate.tideswell@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you, Dawn. It does help. Bella had no problem chowing down on
> whatever I gave her and fought to keep it. So obviously her attitude
> towards kibble and her attitude to raw are totally different. Cause with
> kibble, it was 'take it or leave it, who cares...'
> Renate

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Laura A
Kaos Siberians http://www.kaossiberians.com
Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so.
Bertrand Russell

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3c. Re: A week in and need help
Posted by: "Dawn Taylor" dawnmarie1968@tx.rr.com dawnt91
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 5:12 pm ((PDT))

Thank you, Dawn. It does help. Bella had no problem chowing down on
whatever I gave her and fought to keep it. So obviously her attitude
towards kibble and her attitude to raw are totally different. Cause with
kibble, it was 'take it or leave it, who cares...'

That's exactly what Penny does too. On the few days I have to feed kibble, she basically walks away. With anything raw, she'll defend it to the death!
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Dawn Taylor

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3d. Re: A week in and need help
Posted by: "Renate" renate.tideswell@gmail.com tideswell_renate
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 5:13 pm ((PDT))

Bella is now downstairs, has dragged out her old kibble food dishes and is
scratching like crazy. She's acting like she's starving. Maybe I should
feed her a bit more tomorrow. But not as much as I did yesterday
Renate

On 9/26/07, Renate <renate.tideswell@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I've been feeding my 3 (28lb poodle/border collie, and 2 shih tzus, one
> just under 10lbs, one just over) for just over a week. The poodle seems to
> be doing great and all 3 are loving it, nothing like watching the tzus tear
> into their chicken. But it the same story, the runny poo. One of them
> decided the mat in front of the toilet is a suitable place, well I can
> understand that and it's washable so ok, but the other one is wrecking the
> bedroom carpet and my house is up for sale (yikes!!!) I've been trying to
> figure out the problem and I think I'm just feeding them too much. My
> calculations seem to have all gone to h*ll (stress related - plus I keep
> alternating between lbs and kgs) Anyway I've been giving all of them a leg
> quarter a day. I think that's right for the poodle, but I now think it's
> about twice as much as I should be feeding the tzus. So today I gave them a
> leg about .1kg each, but they seem very hungry and keep trying to lead me to
> the expens where I feed them. Am I going insane?
>
> --
> Renate
> 'The more I learn about men, the more I love my Shih Tzu'

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Renate
'The more I learn about men, the more I love my Shih Tzu'

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3e. Re: A week in and need help
Posted by: "Dawn Taylor" dawnmarie1968@tx.rr.com dawnt91
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 5:57 pm ((PDT))

"Bella is now downstairs, has dragged out her old kibble food dishes and is
scratching like crazy. She's acting like she's starving. Maybe I should
feed her a bit more tomorrow. But not as much as I did yesterday
Renate"

How long did it take to eat her dinner, and how much did you give her? A chicken leg? I've noticed if I feed something really easy to eat where they wolf it down, they're not satisfied. But if I feed something that takes longer, even though it's the same amount, they're happy when they're done. Chicken legs tend to take my little dogs a while, and they're satisfied with that. In fact, a chicken leg is a whole day's worth of food. Maybe she's so used to feeling full that she's thinking she's starving. You know she's not though...

I know its hard when they're small and their portions are little. It just seems like not enough food!

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Dawn Taylor

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4a. Re: Outdated Meat
Posted by: "Penny (Nickles) Parker" loverladymaggiemae@yahoo.com loverladymaggiemae
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 4:09 pm ((PDT))

Andrea,
Sometimes if it weren't for outdated meat,our budget would be severely
strained. Outdated meat, especially if it has been frozen, is just
fine. Just think. Most dogs like to bury stuff and then dig it up and
eat it several days later.......yech! But they love it.
Happy feeding!
Penny & The Menagerie
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4b. Re: Outdated Meat
Posted by: "Marjorie Trebino" mtrebino39@hotmail.com marjoriettt
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 5:13 pm ((PDT))

Andrea, I am fairly new to raw feeding but have figured out that the meat
is ok. It might loose a little of the value just like produce looses some
of its viatamins as it sits but my dogs are doing well so far. I just
bought a bunch of pork loin and beef chunks that were out dated. Lucky you
to have a ready source. Margie

>From: "tobyfogle" <eafog@msn.com>
>Reply-To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
>To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [rawfeeding] Outdated Meat
>Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:35:39 -0000
>
>Hello all. I'm looking for some advice on buying outdated meat. I've
>had a local supplier offer me some bargains on chicken that has expired
>in his freezer. At first I was somewhat offended....I wouldn't feed my
>kids outdated meat. But then I started wondering if it matters. Do
>any of you have any experience with this? What do you think? Thanks
>so much for your help. Andrea
>

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5a. Re: Supplement Question...again
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 5:07 pm ((PDT))

Why do people have to supplement when feeding k****le? Obviously k****le
lacks in many departments.....
I mean how are we assured that feeding this cr*p is really giving them
nutrition when they are recalling it all...
These batches are made in HUGE bulk; how can it be guaranteed that the food
is equalized? It can't be.
These are the things I have been battling with before I have decided to
start the raw.
Raw does have alot of nutrition naturally....
As far as supplementing... dogs don't need supplements UNLESS a specialist
is recommending it. Like our dog's opthomologist recommends some for
specific eye issues & the dermatologist for specific skin issues, otherwise
the dogs should be fine on raw & natural diets.
Yes, I am NEW to raw (1 day now for 2 of my 9 dogs).
Starting tonight I am adding 2 more since i can no longer deal with Casper's
runny poop from k****le!! He's had it since i brought him home as a little
pup. ALL three pups have!! They are just too sensitive to k***le. Whisper
was fine when she was fed boiled chicken for a month & medicated when i
brought her home but they've never had solid stools.
Eeee-Gads..... I was at the park today and when Casper (130+ lb 7 month old
Dane pup) decides to poop & I can't even scoop it, I just decided he is
going raw now too! WHAT CAN IT HURT!? He's already battling this
runny/soft stool now for over 4 months!
Trina
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Chip (deaf Dalmatian)
Casper (deaf Great Dane)
Whisper (deaf Great Dane)
Louie (hearing Great Dane)
Joey (deaf & blind Lhasa Apso)
Amy (disabled Lhasa Apso)
Cassandra (disabled Lhasa Apso)
Mr Paris (Lhasa Apso)
Chloe (deaf & blind Spaniel mix)

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6a. Re: new to RAW, but my English Mastiff is loving it
Posted by: "jerseykev@aol.com" jerseykev@aol.com noblarneyzone
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 5:13 pm ((PDT))

I started her off slowly. as a treat I gave her a chicken thigh. I
continued her regular feeding program.

I waited till I saw a stool sample, when that looked good, 2 days later. I
replaced the last feeding of the day with another chicken thigh.

Than 2 meals a day I was feeding her 4 times a day. I noticed her at night
looking heavier than I like, but I ignored it till I got her out in the
morning for exercise - She looked great while running, and when stacked. I always
like to see a little rib cage, towards the rear end of her body, never all
of them. After all she is growing.

As her raw increased and chicken thighs were stable I added turkey legs,
only because I was more comfortable with the size of the bone in the turkey
compared to the chicken.

Now she is only getting dry food - 1 cup in the morning with raw eggs, and
she leaves at least 1/2 cup behind, but all the egg is gone.

Now almost a month later she is doing great, looking great and I am very
happy with the transistion.

I have some videos on raw feeding coming online at my site
_www.guardiansbythesea.com_ (http://www.guardiansbythesea.com)

Kevin
The Jersey Shore

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6b. Re: new to RAW, but my English Mastiff is loving it
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 6:11 pm ((PDT))

dry food? You are feeding kibble with raw?
I'm confused.
Trina

On 9/26/07, jerseykev@aol.com <jerseykev@aol.com> wrote:
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> I<< snip>>
> Now she is only getting dry food - 1 cup in the morning with raw eggs, and
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> she leaves at least 1/2 cup behind, but all the egg is gone.
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> Now almost a month later she is doing great, looking great and I am very
> happy with the transistion.
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> I have some videos on raw feeding coming online at my site
> _www.guardiansbythesea.com_ (http://www.guardiansbythesea.com)
>
> Kevin
> The Jersey Shore
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7a. Re: 4 dogs starting
Posted by: "delcaste" delcaste@yahoo.com delcaste
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 5:13 pm ((PDT))

Hi Francine. I have four dogs and all get fed separately. Two in the
yard (it's partitioned) and the other two in the garage. The garage
dogs take turns eating because one of them is a terror (and a thief).

Silvina

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7b. Re: 4 dogs starting
Posted by: "Francine-Texas" francie43@sbcglobal.net fcampinose
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 5:41 pm ((PDT))

Thanks Silvina I would just hate to give them raw chicken in the house
(smile) I guess I could take turns in the yard.
Francine

-------Original Message-------

From: delcaste
Date: 9/26/2007 7:13:40 PM
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [rawfeeding] Re: 4 dogs starting

Hi Francine. I have four dogs and all get fed separately. Two in the
yard (it's partitioned) and the other two in the garage. The garage
dogs take turns eating because one of them is a terror (and a thief).

Silvina

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7c. Re: 4 dogs starting
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 6:10 pm ((PDT))

We have too much rain here, outside feeding isn't an option for us.
Buying 800 size crates is financially out of the question at this time!
I'm stumped.
Trina

On 9/26/07, Francine-Texas <francie43@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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> Thanks Silvina I would just hate to give them raw chicken in the house
> (smile) I guess I could take turns in the yard.
> Francine
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7d. Re: 4 dogs starting
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 6:10 pm ((PDT))

I'm having the same problems but i never free fed the dogs i have now!
Unfortunately, they are dragging the chicken around & I have a 2 year old
son. I can't mop every single day my whole house...... I need to be
realistic here.
Trina

On 9/26/07, Francine-Texas <francie43@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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> I want to start my 4 large dogs on raw but how do I separate the food.
> Do I
> need to feed one at a time if I put one in front of one or the other and
> one
> dose not eat someone else might grab it now I just leave dry kibble down
> all
> the time no food issues at all.
> Thank you
> Francine
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7e. Re: 4 dogs starting
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 6:26 pm ((PDT))

It's very easy to teach them to eat on a towel/blanket/vinyl
tablecloth/shower curtain. Put the food on the towel, and if the dog
removes it, pick it up and put it back on. They get the idea pretty
fast as to what you want and that they can eat in peace if they keep it
there.

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "T Smith" <coldbeach@...> wrote:
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> Unfortunately, they are dragging the chicken around & I have a 2 year
old
> son.

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7f. Re: 4 dogs starting
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 6:27 pm ((PDT))

Alternate feeding times, put them in different rooms with doors shut or
with baby gates, or train them to each eat on their own towels.

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "T Smith" <coldbeach@...> wrote:
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> We have too much rain here, outside feeding isn't an option for us.
> Buying 800 size crates is financially out of the question at this
time!
> I'm stumped.

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8. puking pets
Posted by: "rawnewfie" rawnewfie@yahoo.com rawnewfie
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 5:40 pm ((PDT))

Maybe some of the longer term members will know. Has any one ever posted some serious
disaster as a result of raw feeding on this group? Any dogs choked to death or been
eviscerated by shards of bone. I have been feeding raw for about a week. It is total trial and
error, she won't eat chicken, it tentative about turkey necks, loves beef and pork. My old
retriever is starting to throw up, but poops have been firm. This is really hardest on her
worried parents I think.
Thanks,
Todd

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9.1. Re: New to Raw
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 6:10 pm ((PDT))

HI Alicia,

I don't have time right now to respond to everything in your post, but
just wanted to mention that we don't talk about beef an awful lot
because most of the bones are inedible (tooth wreckers--too
dense/hard). So there's just not a lot to talk about. But I got a
good deal on some grass-fed boneless beef and am feeding through about
80 lbs. of it, adding in or alternating w/pork or lamb necks, or ribs,
etc. You can also feed it on the bone (That would be better, I think--
great for ripping/tearing) and just remove the bones when they're
cleaned off so they don't wear/break teeth. Some dogs can eat beef
neck and rib bones. Depends on the size of your dogs and the health of
their mouths.

As to whether a diet primarily composed of beef is ideal...well, you
would have to add in a source of edible bone. Mostly beef would be
better than mostly chicken (more species-appropriate)! Beef might be a
bit fatty. But if it's grass-fed, they have better fat profiles than
grain-fed, so that might make it a-ok. Just think about what a wild
wolf would eat and get as close to that as possible--remembering how
much better whatever you're doing is than kibble (light years!)!

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "aliciamyan" <alicia_larson@...>
wrote:
My other question is – where's the beef? I see
> mention of chicken, pork and such, but not too many specifics about
> beef? We also raise our own beef cattle and will have access to
> plenty of beef in the future and hope to eventually have their diet
> be primarily beef – does that sound feasible and healthy?
>
>

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10. Link between high protein diets and &quot;hyper&quot; behavior?
Posted by: "Tracy Meal" hiddenpoetinme1@yahoo.com hiddenpoetinme1
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 6:26 pm ((PDT))

HI Mary,

You wrote:
She knows that I feed my guy raw and as she was
making this suggestion to these other owners, looked at me and my guy,
who was calmly lying on the floor in the midst of all this chaos, and
was very perplexed because he ONLY gets protein.

Can anyone comment on this idea that high protein diets may make some
dogs "hyper"?

I have had the same experience at puppy class. My rottie pup was fairly calm and laying on the floor while some of the other dogs were a little "loopy". She was the only raw fed dog in the group.

I think it is the carbs in a kibble diet that makes them that way....

Tracy

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11a. Re: New to the group/questions
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 6:30 pm ((PDT))

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am still freaking out & confused but don't know why I am :-)
Trina

On 9/26/07, ncrnrgrl <jcraver1@nc.rr.com> wrote:
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> <snip>
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> Is everyone always a wreck when they get started?!
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> Jenny
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