[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12078

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: New to the group/questions
From: Giselle
1b. Re: New to the group/questions
From: ncrnrgrl
1c. Re: New to the group/questions
From: Morledzep@aol.com
1d. Re: New to the group/questions
From: Morledzep@aol.com

2a. Re: Pet Tabs Plus/Vitamin A
From: Giselle

3a. Re: new to RAW, but my English Mastiff is loving it
From: girlndocs

4a. Re: Supplement Question...again
From: one_sojourner_one
4b. Re: Supplement Question...again
From: ginny wilken
4c. Re: Supplement Question...again
From: nlhp4

5a. Re: FYI for newbies - elimination odors
From: Kevin Brown

6a. Pancreatitis
From: Val Kilmer
6b. Re: Pancreatitis
From: Sandee Lee
6c. Re: Pancreatitis
From: DPM333@aol.com

7.1. Re: Feeding Heads
From: Geri

8a. Re: 4 dogs starting
From: carolejc2007
8b. Re: 4 dogs starting
From: Tina Berry

9a. Outdated Meat
From: tobyfogle
9b. Re: Outdated Meat
From: Shannon Parker

10a. Re: feeding fish and smaller bones
From: Morledzep@aol.com

11a. Re: Chicken allergy?
From: elkf15h

12a. A week in and need help
From: Renate
12b. Re: A week in and need help
From: Dawn Taylor

13.1. New to Raw
From: aliciamyan

14a. Link between high protein diets and "hyper" behavior?
From: dogladyme
14b. Re: Link between high protein diets and "hyper" behavior?
From: Laura Atkinson

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1a. Re: New to the group/questions
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 9:57 am ((PDT))

Hi, Jenny!
Welcome to the raw side!

No veggies, no grains, no fruits. Not necessary. This list supports
and promotes the feeding of a species appropriate raw whole prey model.

Chicken backs, and necks are pretty bony. Chicken necks, without being
attached to the whole chicken, may be a recipe for a choking hazard,
unless your dog is a careful chewer.

Dogs need approximately 80% meat (muscle, skin, fur, fat, connective
tissue)
only about 10% EDIBLE bone
10% organs (5% liver, 5% 'other')

Here are my recommendations to start feeding raw;
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/141374

post # 141374
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> Just joined the group - and have a few questions.
>
> I am new-ish to raw feeding,
<snip>
> I am feeding predominantly a mixture of chicken backs/necks and
turkey necks - that so far is what I have local/easy access too - when
I need to I can get (with a little advance planning) rabbit, duck,
beef etc.
>
> I was told to try leg quarters for meatier meals - I think what I'm
unclear on is how much "meat" I need to be feeding?
>
> Additionally; I'm a little confused by amount of vegetables I should
be feeding,
<snip>
> Any help would be appreciated - thanks in advance.
>
> Jenny C
> Raleigh, NC
> Alcohol doesn't solve any problems, but then again, neither does milk.

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1b. Re: New to the group/questions
Posted by: "ncrnrgrl" jcraver1@nc.rr.com ncrnrgrl
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:09 am ((PDT))

***EDITED BY MODERATOR. PLEASE TRIM YOUR MESSAGES.***

Thanks guys.
A follow-up dumb question.. I've never fed my dogs just meat - like
ground beef/chicken/pork, unless it's been ground with the bone in
it - you apparently do this ?

My youngster (7months) loves the leg quarters, my old guy had a bit
of a hard time with them, I think it's because his teeth are worn
down a bit., he got through it for sure, just took him longer.

Thanks for clearing up the vegetable question. My old dog has always
had a thing for pumpkins - like the WHOLE pumpkin, and NO, no
diarrhea. :) He just likes them, and I've always assumed that was
okay - glad to know I dont' need to worry about doing more.

Is everyone always a wreck when they get started?!

Jenny

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1c. Re: New to the group/questions
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 3:05 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 9/26/2007 3:01:11 AM Pacific Standard Time,
jcraver1@nc.rr.com writes:

I was told to try leg quarters for meatier meals - I think what I'm unclear
on is how much "meat" I need to be feeding?

Additionally; I'm a little confused by amount of vegetables I should be
feeding, some sources say no more than 1x week, others are telling me every day!
Every day doesn't make sense to me, but I realize I don't know much!! :)

Jenny,

you need to be feeding far more meat.. edible bones are an important part of
the overall diet, but a VERY small part (10%). Veggies aren't a part of the
diet at all, remember you're feeding CARNIVORES..

Your basic average prey animal breaks down in approximately 10% edible bone,
10% organs and 80% everything else (meat, fat, skin, meat, connective tissue..
).

the best thing for folks new to the list to do is read all the welcome
emails, and search the archives. ALL of your questions have been asked and answered
before..

Catherine R.

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1d. Re: New to the group/questions
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 3:14 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 9/26/2007 9:09:29 AM Pacific Standard Time,
jcraver1@nc.rr.com writes:

A follow-up dumb question.. I've never fed my dogs just meat - like
ground beef/chicken/pork, unless it's been ground with the bone in
it - you apparently do this ?

Jenny,

Yep.. we were all wrecks when we started. i cringed for the first two days
listening to the dogs crunch on bones..

i personally do NOT feed ground meat to the dogs. when they eat boneless
meats they eat hunks of meat that they have to work to tear and swallow. there
are no easy meals here, all are a workout of one kind or another.

Catherine R.

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2a. Re: Pet Tabs Plus/Vitamin A
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:03 am ((PDT))

Hi, Renee!
KEWL!

I think Mr. H deserves a treat! Maybe his fav dinner?

Keep him guessing..... ^_^

TC
Giselle

> //Why not clue him in to the O6 / O3 story, and encourage him to give
> them Salmon or Fish Body oil supps?//
>
> ***Thanks Giselle; we already supplement with Grizzly SO. Mr. Husband
> gave up on the vitamins notion, surprisingly, with no struggle
> whatsoever. He said, "yeah, I don't think they really need vitamins
> anyways." ??? What can I say...
> -Renee W.
>

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3a. Re: new to RAW, but my English Mastiff is loving it
Posted by: "girlndocs" girlndocs@hotmail.com girlndocs
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:09 am ((PDT))

Hi Trina,

> What about weight? How do you montior their food amount & weight
> level. I am afraid mine will lose weight!

One of the things I was most anxious about when I began feeding Zoe
raw was how I would know if I was feeding her the right amount and
whether she was maintaining weight well. I soon realized that it was
the easiest thing in the world.

She came to me a tad pudgy and lost quite a bit of it very quickly
(could have had something to do with turning her nose up at her new
food for a few days, no?) and when it looked to me like she was
starting to lose very fast/get slimmer than I was comfortable with ...
I added more food to her meals.

That's it. That's all. An additional quarter-pound or so of food per
day (or the equivalent, averaged out over a week: that mackerel is
kind of small, but tomorrow's lamb chops are bigger than usual)
stopped the weight loss and she is now maintaining nicely at a weight
I like. She's looking lean and more muscular.

If they lose weight, feed them more. They'll gain it back.

Kristin

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4a. Re: Supplement Question...again
Posted by: "one_sojourner_one" onesojourner@gmail.com one_sojourner_one
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:10 am ((PDT))

I have a few questions about the what would the wolf eat argument.
Lets take human nutrition for example. Lets look at humans a few
thousand years ago when we were living in tents and caves. Was our
diet ideal? I don't think so. We had no incite at all when it came to
a healthy diet. We ate what we had to survive. I am not saying we eat
healthier now but we have the knowledge to eat healthier. I would
assume wolves eat about like our ancestors in regards to eating what
you can to survive.

peter

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4b. Re: Supplement Question...again
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:56 am ((PDT))

On Sep 26, 2007, at 7:46 AM, nlhp4 wrote:

> For various reasons, I am starting to doubt that they are getting the
> proper nutrition and thus started to do a bit of research on
> supplements.
..........
> I just want to be sure the two are REALLY getting enough of what is
> reccommended for proper health and growth (lab mix is still growing
> like a weed!) without supplements if at all possible.
>

And what would be those reasons? And why would you believe the USDA
on anything? Facts is fine, recommendations are not always based on
facts.

ginny and Tomo

All stunts performed without a net!

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4c. Re: Supplement Question...again
Posted by: "nlhp4" nlhp4@yahoo.com nlhp4
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 11:29 am ((PDT))

> And what would be those reasons?

Veterinary recommendation for a Holistic vet.

>And why would you believe the USDA
> on anything?

Take a look for yourself, looks pretty valid to me...

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/

>Facts is fine, recommendations are not always based on
> facts.

All too true, but I am still trying to do the proper research before
deciding I am already doing the right thing by not supplementing with
the raw feeding.

-Sibyl

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5a. Re: FYI for newbies - elimination odors
Posted by: "Kevin Brown" jerseykev@aol.com noblarneyzone
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 11:29 am ((PDT))

This purely based on my practical application and experience.
I purposefully have a spot where I trained my mastiff (4 1/2 months)
that it is okay for her to eliminate. Most times she is outside, but
I like having at least one sample to observe daily. I have a big
enough place to where this is not a nuisance.

I clean it quickly and disenfect the area, however to leave some of
the scent so she can locate it and not expand that territory. So I
do have some "frangrance of Babbe'" linger.

I bought some very nice jarred candles. Big ones, and I burn them.
I particularly like "The Apple Pie"

When people com ein the first thing they say is, "You baking?" Where
as they caould have said; "You have a dog?"

Kevin & Baby
The Jersey Shore
www.guardiansbythesea.com

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "steph.sorensen"
<steph.sorensen@...> wrote:
>
> Okay, I guess I wrote too soon! Here I am, talking about how
> frustrated I am with Scarlet's midnight poop puddles, when I think
> the answer to my problem is really investing in a dog door so the
> poop at least leaves the building! My whole house smells like poop
> right now, and it's horrible!! And this was after a chicken meal!
> They usually have hard, yellowish poops after chicken, but not
> Scarlet lately. Her leaving puddles of poo by my back door in our
> basement is getting old really fast. *sigh*
>
> Steph
> Scarlet, Lucy and Minkey (the kitty)
>
> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "girlndocs" <girlndocs@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Giselle,
> >
> > > A post from someone like you who has recently worked through
these
> > > distressful episodes must be a lot more reassuring than a ton
of
> us
> > > long time raw feeders, who say "Its just loose poops, it'll be
> fine,
> > > really." ^_^
> >
> > Well then on that note, I'll chime in to say that Zoe's recent
loose
> > stools cleared up too, without me doing anything but switching her
> > back to chicken for a day.
> >
> > And they were kind of alarming hershey squirts, too, the sudden,
> > squat-in-the-middle-of-the-street, "Hey mom, what's going on with
my
> > butt?" kind.
> >
> > It's just loose poops, it'll be fine, really :P
> >
> > Kristin
> >
>

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6a. Pancreatitis
Posted by: "Val Kilmer" DPM333@aol.com dferris23
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 11:29 am ((PDT))

My 7 month old Bull Terrier that has ben on RAW since 8 weeks old & is
at the vet with Pancreatitis today. Any info, causes, concerns, that I
should know about? My vet doesn't care either way of what I feed my
dog so he's not one of those vets.
I feel I try to stick to the ratio of meats, bones, organs,
etc... But I don't measure & weight everything. I look at him & his
poop. I believe in the raw diet.
Any info comfort reassuring would be great! Thanks Derek @ Chicago

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6b. Re: Pancreatitis
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:01 pm ((PDT))

Hi Derek,

There are various causes of pancreatitis.....vaccinations, insecticides
(lawn chemicals, etc), certain drugs and diseases such as diabetes,
Cushing's, hypothyroidism. Has he been exposed to anything you know of
recently or been vaccinated or treated with any meds???

I am quite certain your diet had nothing to do with this.

Hope the little guy is ok!

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Val Kilmer" <DPM333@aol.com>

My 7 month old Bull Terrier that has ben on RAW since 8 weeks old & is
at the vet with Pancreatitis today. Any info, causes, concerns, that I
should know about? My vet doesn't care either way of what I feed my
dog so he's not one of those vets.
I feel I try to stick to the ratio of meats, bones, organs,
etc... But I don't measure & weight everything. I look at him & his
poop. I believe in the raw diet.
Any info comfort reassuring would be great! Thanks Derek @ Chicago

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6c. Re: Pancreatitis
Posted by: "DPM333@aol.com" DPM333@aol.com dferris23
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 3:01 pm ((PDT))

Over a month ago he had some blood in his stool & the vet gave him 75mg of Rimadyl & 250mg of Amoxitab.? It cleared everything up just fine & I even quit the meds 1/2 way threw.? I do not give him heartworm pills, & I only let the vet give him his puppy shots up to 4 months.? He does eat grass, but come on he's a dog & a bull terrier at that, he eats everything.? He was at a new dog park the other day & also had his 1st bee sting.? Could it be from too much organ in his diet?? Could it be stress??? Thanks Derek

-----Original Message-----
From: Sandee Lee <rlee@plix.com>
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 4:01 pm
Subject: Re: [rawfeeding] Pancreatitis

Hi Derek,

There are various causes of pancreatitis.....vaccinations, insecticides
(lawn chemicals, etc), certain drugs and diseases such as diabetes,
Cushing's, hypothyroidism. Has he been exposed to anything you know of
recently or been vaccinated or treated with any meds???

I am quite certain your diet had nothing to do with this.

Hope the little guy is ok!

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Val Kilmer" <DPM333@aol.com>

My 7 month old Bull Terrier that has ben on RAW since 8 weeks old & is
at the vet with Pancreatitis today. Any info, causes, concerns, that I
should know about? My vet doesn't care either way of what I feed my
dog so he's not one of those vets.
I feel I try to stick to the ratio of meats, bones, organs,
etc... But I don't measure & weight everything. I look at him & his
poop. I believe in the raw diet.
Any info comfort reassuring would be great! Thanks Derek @ Chicago

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7.1. Re: Feeding Heads
Posted by: "Geri" auntigeri@aol.com gericolloton
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 11:30 am ((PDT))

"T Smith" <coldbeach@...> wrote:
>
> I am beginning to think raw might not be for me.
> I cannot feed heads like this. It's just NOT something I can do.

***
I don't feed heads either. I decided pretty early on that I wasn't
feeding heads.

Feeding my dog a wild squirrel that runs
> along my fence chattering away.... no, that's definitely out of the
picture.

***

I don't feed my dogs squirrels either. I think there is plenty of
other stuff to feed so you don't have to feed these things.

Geri

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8a. Re: 4 dogs starting
Posted by: "carolejc2007" mooska2me@sbcglobal.net carolejc2007
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 12:16 pm ((PDT))

I also have 4 dogs (2 Greyhounds and 2 Italian Greys) I feed my two
big ones first (they eat faster than the little ones do) and then
feed the little ones. The reason I do this is because my one big
girl will steal food from the little ones when I'm not looking.
This is just what works for me. I'm new to raw also and so far I am
loving it. I had one little draw back over the weekend (something
stupid I did) but got that corrected and everyting is going Greyt!
I've been feeding just chicken so far but I'm going to introduce a
little bit of beefy rib bones with their chicken dinner tonight.

Carole

>
> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Francine-Texas" <francie43@>
> wrote:
> >
> > I want to start my 4 large dogs on raw but how do I separate the
> > food.
>

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8b. Re: 4 dogs starting
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 12:42 pm ((PDT))

"now I just leave dry kibble down all the time no food issues at all."

I feed mine all together, about 10 feet apart in the kitching/dining - I
have four gsds. But they all finish whatever I give them, ie: half a
chicken, at the same time so no guarding issues. Once in a great while one
will finish first and get growled away from one of the others, but that's
all that happens.

You will find better respect from your dogs by not leaving down food all
day. Mainly because you, the alpha, control the food. So I have my bunch
all sit before I put their meals down, the two adults get their's first at
the same time then the two pups at the same time (18 mo old). That's what I
do anyway, just fyi.
--
Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com

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9a. Outdated Meat
Posted by: "tobyfogle" eafog@msn.com tobyfogle
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 12:42 pm ((PDT))

Hello all. I'm looking for some advice on buying outdated meat. I've
had a local supplier offer me some bargains on chicken that has expired
in his freezer. At first I was somewhat offended....I wouldn't feed my
kids outdated meat. But then I started wondering if it matters. Do
any of you have any experience with this? What do you think? Thanks
so much for your help. Andrea

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9b. Re: Outdated Meat
Posted by: "Shannon Parker" mrbatisse@yahoo.ca mrbatisse
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 1:03 pm ((PDT))

Hi Andrea,

Buy it and feed it...only advice I have to give. If your dog won't eat it, then throw it out. I feed my dogs stuff that makes my stomach turn sometimes...they love it and have NEVER had a problem.

Lucky you!

Shannon

tobyfogle <eafog@msn.com> wrote:
Hello all. I'm looking for some advice on buying outdated meat. I've
had a local supplier offer me some bargains on chicken that has expired
in his freezer.

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10a. Re: feeding fish and smaller bones
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:57 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 9/26/2007 1:30:38 AM Pacific Standard Time,
coldbeach@gmail.com writes:

How much food is 9 cups of k***le = to lbs of meat with bone?
OK, I'm REALLY stressing about this. All your fault Maggie :-)

Trina,

Kibble does NOT equal Raw food in any way.. there is no correlation between
the amount of kibble you previously fed and the amount of raw food your dogs
will need.

the general starting guideline is 2 - 3% of your dog's ideal adult weight.
or as close as you can guess..

I think i saw that you're starting your great danes on raw? my great dane
pup gets 3 - 5 lbs depending on the day and what is thawed. if we've skipped a
day between meals it leans more towards the 5 lbs. and if he had a big meal
the day before it leans closer to the 3 lbs..

May i ask why you're only switching the great danes? you have a long list of
dogs in your signature.. don't they all deserve to be healthier and happier?

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11a. Re: Chicken allergy?
Posted by: "elkf15h" elke@oakleigh-homeopathy.co.uk elkf15h
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 3:00 pm ((PDT))

Hi Kelly,

My raw fed 19month old Airedale has developed a nasty hot spot and
general itching. I have stopped feeding him 'petgrade' meat (In UK
abatoirs marked by contamination with petrol and/or other substances)
and only give him human grade meat since Sunday. The itching stopped
almost immediately and the hotspot is clearing very quickly. In
addition he is getting Petroleum in homeopathic potency.
This worked well for us.

Best Wishes
Elke

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Kelly P" <picklesrfree@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> My young dog I believe has hotspots. Since we got her at 3 mos, she
> itches and chews above her tail. At the time, I spotted one flea on
> her and took care of the problem. She's also been raw fed since we
> got her at 3 mos, chicken being the most prominant meat source and
> beef a close second.

>
> Unfortunately, she is still itching and has now created scabs above
> her tail that she ends up re-opening. She's also been scratching at
> her belly button, which is new.
>

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12a. A week in and need help
Posted by: "Renate" renate.tideswell@gmail.com tideswell_renate
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 3:01 pm ((PDT))

I've been feeding my 3 (28lb poodle/border collie, and 2 shih tzus, one just
under 10lbs, one just over) for just over a week. The poodle seems to be
doing great and all 3 are loving it, nothing like watching the tzus tear
into their chicken. But it the same story, the runny poo. One of them
decided the mat in front of the toilet is a suitable place, well I can
understand that and it's washable so ok, but the other one is wrecking the
bedroom carpet and my house is up for sale (yikes!!!) I've been trying to
figure out the problem and I think I'm just feeding them too much. My
calculations seem to have all gone to h*ll (stress related - plus I keep
alternating between lbs and kgs) Anyway I've been giving all of them a leg
quarter a day. I think that's right for the poodle, but I now think it's
about twice as much as I should be feeding the tzus. So today I gave them a
leg about .1kg each, but they seem very hungry and keep trying to lead me to
the expens where I feed them. Am I going insane?

--
Renate
'The more I learn about men, the more I love my Shih Tzu'

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12b. Re: A week in and need help
Posted by: "Dawn Taylor" dawnmarie1968@tx.rr.com dawnt91
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 3:39 pm ((PDT))

" Anyway I've been giving all of them a leg
quarter a day. I think that's right for the poodle, but I now think it's
about twice as much as I should be feeding the tzus. So today I gave them a
leg about .1kg each, but they seem very hungry and keep trying to lead me to
the expens where I feed them. Am I going insane?"

I think it's probably too much for the tzus. I have two little dogs, one 10 pounds (about right for her) and one that's 14, but should be about 10. I'm feeding about 4 ounces a day, plus .5 oz organs each day. It's HARD to feed this small of an amount because the portions are so, so small. If there's a bone, the portion will be over the daily allowance so I have to be flexible over the course of a week.

My 14 pounder was actually gaining weight on 6 ounces a day! If I fed him a chicken quarter, he'd probably get the squirts. Penny too.

Hope this helps a little...
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Dawn Taylor

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13.1. New to Raw
Posted by: "aliciamyan" alicia_larson@msn.com aliciamyan
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 3:37 pm ((PDT))

After nearly 3 years of trial and error with kibble, we are going to
give RAW a try. Our eleven year old lab has a steel gut and can eat
anything without a problem. Our nearly 3 year old GSD is another
story – he has skin, gastro and weight issues. This last July, his
stomach flipped and he required emergency surgery. We believe he
found some cat food which caused him to bloat and then flip. We know
he has a sensitive system and we've tried many different dog food
brands/types. The last suggestion from our vet was give him human
acid reflux meds daily – I felt like this like putting a band aid on
a broken arm. Because he is still underweight, they suggested
switching to a higher protein food. The food they recommended caused
hot spots the last time we tried it. The light started to come on –
higher protein? Wouldn't that be meat? Because I know humans can
control many of our health issues with a proper diet, I started to
research our options. By happenstance, I recently met a family with
3 beautiful GSD that look so healthy. In speaking with them, I
learned they feed their dogs a raw diet (they actually feed a bit
more extensive version with veggies and oodles of supplements).
Anyway, I now feel prepared (sorta) to start feeding them a raw
diet. I'm heading out tomorrow to hit as many grocery stores as I
can in search of chicken. I plan on spending the first few months
feeding chicken so the GSD adapts thoroughly before trying something
new.

I do have a couple of questions. I had many more before reading some
of the advice-for-beginners threads – thank you! Since our GSD has
already proven to be sensitive, does anyone have additional advice
for his transition? His poop is usually loose or runny to begin
with, so I am a little concerned about the canon butt possibilities.

What about eggs? We raise our own free-range laying hens and eggs
are plentiful. My other question is – where's the beef? I see
mention of chicken, pork and such, but not too many specifics about
beef? We also raise our own beef cattle and will have access to
plenty of beef in the future and hope to eventually have their diet
be primarily beef – does that sound feasible and healthy?

Thanks in advance for your time!
Alicia

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14a. Link between high protein diets and "hyper" behavior?
Posted by: "dogladyme" ooblab@hotmail.com dogladyme
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 3:39 pm ((PDT))

Hi all- I'm currently taking an obedience class with my 6 m/o male GSD.
There are 6 other dogs in the class including a spitz and an aussie,
who bark and carry on for almost the whole hour of class, pretty much
totally distracted the whole time.

The instructor- who I feel handles all these dogs very well and teaches
with a clicker and only positive strategies- encouraged these owners-
who are all feeding kibble- to switch to some other food with a lower
percentage of protein. She knows that I feed my guy raw and as she was
making this suggestion to these other owners, looked at me and my guy,
who was calmly lying on the floor in the midst of all this chaos, and
was very perplexed because he ONLY gets protein.

Can anyone comment on this idea that high protein diets may make some
dogs "hyper"?

Thanks! Mary

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14b. Re: Link between high protein diets and "hyper" behavior?
Posted by: "Laura Atkinson" llatkinson@gmail.com lauraatkinson2002
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 3:43 pm ((PDT))

I would suggest that it is the carbohydrates that contribute to the
behavior. It's like feeding 'em a constant diet of twinkies and
wondering why they're hyper.

And a raw diet is NOT 100% protein. A chicken breast is, what, 18%
protein? There's some fat in it, that's not protein, some bone with
vitamins and minerals, that's not protein. Don't fall for the 100%
protein myth.

On 9/26/07, dogladyme <ooblab@hotmail.com> wrote:

making this suggestion to these other owners, looked at me and my guy,
> who was calmly lying on the floor in the midst of all this chaos, and
> was very perplexed because he ONLY gets protein.
>
> Can anyone comment on this idea that high protein diets may make some
> dogs "hyper"?
>
> Thanks! Mary

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Laura A
Kaos Siberians http://www.kaossiberians.com
Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so.
Bertrand Russell

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