[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12081

There are 7 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: 4 dogs starting
From: Denise Strother

2. Clarification on proper food amount
From: Kathie Middlemiss

3a. Re: A week in and need help
From: lauraanimal1
3b. Re: A week in and need help
From: Renate

4a. Re: re freezing bones
From: caroline gebbie

5a. Re: Link between high protein diets and "hyper" behavior?
From: Denise Strother

6a. Re: New to the group/questions
From: merril Woolf

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1a. Re: 4 dogs starting
Posted by: "Denise Strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:33 am ((PDT))

After your dog's have gotten over the newness of raw the food gaurding
sometimes gets less intense. I can feed my dogs very close together
with no problems. I have very often seen one of the Chi's standing
partially under the Pit's stomach while they eat. I can put a pork
picnic roast down and let them take turns eating. I can tell one dog
ok and while it eats the other two wait their turn. When I feed them
like this, I don't let them eat in the same order every time. This
might not be possible for all packs, I'm just saying that food
gaurding behaviors can be improved or eliminated in most dogs with
supervision, time, training and a good understanding of pack
leadership. Denise

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Andrea" <poketmouse45@...> wrote:
Many times dogs who didn't have resource guarding issues with ki**le
decide that their new raw food is worth guarding. I would feed the
dogs in different areas of the room or better yet, in their crates if
they have them. Just be there while they eat so you can keep the
peace.
Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Francine-Texas" <francie43@>
wrote:
I want to start my 4 large dogs on raw but how do I separate the food.

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2. Clarification on proper food amount
Posted by: "Kathie Middlemiss" geekgirl717@gmail.com katjermid
Date: Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:34 am ((PDT))

I brought our lab pup in to the vet yesterday for his checkup, etc.

He's 13 weeks now and is 30 pounds. The vet told me that he would be
'an easy hundred' size wise.

I anticipated a 65-75 pound dog and ended up with a moose instead!!

So, I want to clarify that I should be feeding Max 2 pounds a day
because that's his 2% of his new anticipated adult weight, or should I
be feeding him 3 pounds a day because it's 10% of his current weight OR
do I feed him 1.5 pounds a day because that's the weight he was
originally said to be?

As a puppy I want to make certain I'm giving him everything he needs.
However I've read that labs can and will just eat what ever's there too,
which is why so many pet labs look more like seals and not dogs, so I
don't want to over feed. Right now he's on the deck cheerfully ripping
a chicken quarter apart. Such a happy pup!

Sorry for my nooblet questions. :) The dogs are finding this raw
feeding a lot easier than their mom is!

Kathie
Mom to:
Jake Lab/something mix - 6 years/98 pounds
Max Lab - 13 weeks/30 pounds
Ruby Lab/shepherd mix - 12 weeks/20-ish pounds

!

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3a. Re: A week in and need help
Posted by: "lauraanimal1" lauraanimal1@yahoo.com lauraanimal1
Date: Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:34 am ((PDT))

You wrote;

Bella is now downstairs, has dragged out her old kibble food dishes
and is
scratching like crazy. She's acting like she's starving. Maybe I should
feed her a bit more tomorrow. But not as much as I did yesterday
Renate

Try giving her a meaty rib bone for her to "work" on and keep her
occupied. It may give her just enough mental stimuly to help settle
her down and keep her preoccupied with something other then just
gulping down the food and then wanting more. expends more energy,
thought and time.

Just a thought,

Laura and Ishta

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3b. Re: A week in and need help
Posted by: "Renate" renate.tideswell@gmail.com tideswell_renate
Date: Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:27 am ((PDT))

Thanks Laura, I'll try that today. Today is the first day in a week we've
had no poopy puddles in the bedroom or ensuite, so that's a great sign.
We're off out now so we'll see if the poop has stabilized.
REnate

On 9/27/07, lauraanimal1 <lauraanimal1@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Try giving her a meaty rib bone for her to "work" on and keep her
> occupied. It may give her just enough mental stimuly to help settle
> her down and keep her preoccupied with something other then just
> gulping down the food and then wanting more. expends more energy,
> thought and time.
>
> Just a thought,
>
> Laura and Ishta
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>
>

--
Renate
'The more I learn about men, the more I love my Shih Tzu'

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4a. Re: re freezing bones
Posted by: "caroline gebbie" caz320ml@yahoo.com caz320ml
Date: Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:34 am ((PDT))

Is it ok to take a bone etc out of the freezer (large marrow bone with lots of meat) and let the dogs go at it for a while and then refreeze, let them have it and refreeze etc.

I know this would not be ok for us, but just wondered I imagine wolves in cold weather often eat refrozen meat. And the marrow bones I get seem to get smelly and attacked by flies if left.

Thanks
Caroline, Bonnie and Londo

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5a. Re: Link between high protein diets and "hyper" behavior?
Posted by: "Denise Strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:35 am ((PDT))

It has been my experience that my raw fed dog has a ton of energy,
which is not the same as "hyper". Hyper, to me, implies an out of
control or manic state of mind expressed as constant spastic movement.
I have seen dogs that were hyper much improved when taken off of
carbohydrate based kibble with all of it's additives and
preservatives. Much like some hyper kid's improve when a lot of
artificial stuff is taken out of their diet. I hope your trainer is a
better trainer than she is a nutritionist. Maybe you should turn her
on to the group so she can have at least an idea of what proper dog
food is and is not. These people piss me off. I just talked to a vet
clinic's head tech today that chapped my behind. She had told one of
my daycare clients that the vet discouraged feeding raw because all of
the raw fed dogs he had seen had a lot of parasites. When I called and
asked about the statement and told her that I had been feeding raw for
some time and would like to bring my dogs in for fecals to show the
vet that raw fed dogs are not parasite magnets, she hung up on me.
Makes me think of this:
"Your failure to be informed does not make me a wacko."
John Loeffler
Denise

Can anyone comment on this idea that high protein diets may make some
dogs "hyper"?
Thanks! Mary

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6a. Re: New to the group/questions
Posted by: "merril Woolf" merril@kentfieldwhippets.com whippetsrus2002
Date: Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:29 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "costrowski75" <Chriso75@...> wrote:
>
> Morledzep@ wrote:
> >> Yep.. we were all wrecks when we started. i cringed for the first
> two days
> > listening to the dogs crunch on bones..
> *****
>

OR....you can look at it from someone elses propective who had never heard of kibble.
When I came to the US, I was horrified to go to dog events and see people actually
scooping cup-fulls of pellets into dishes and feeding that to their dogs.
Seeing this was probably akin to those raised feeding kibble and then watching them eat a
meaty bone.

I couldn't imagine that dogs were only fed this dry smelly pellet and nothing else. Heck,
these people were proud to announce that their dogs never got 'table scraps'. I was so
sad for the dogs.
Many of them tried to convince me that this horrible processed stuff was complete and
balanced and proper feeding.
It took years and years before I wore down enough to try feeding a combo of the pebbles
and meat. I wish I had stayed strong but I was much younger then and thought that
maybe people here in the US were smarter than this sheltered foreigner.

Depending on where one is raised will depend on how you perceive dogs crunching on
bones. Outside of the US and many years ago, kibble was the new kid on the block. I
think it has proven to be the trojen horse it really was.

I personally, am glad that people are going back to natural feeding. I hope they'll start
doing the same for their kids to but somehow, with a McDonald's on every corner, maybe
not.

Merril

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