[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12087

There are 20 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1.1. Re: New to Raw
From: Denise Strother
1.2. Re: New to Raw
From: Paul Hoebing

2a. Re: Dog with Eating Disorder
From: Denise Strother

3a. Re: Chickens and Ducks
From: katkellm

4a. Re: Demodex
From: tori maekawa

5a. Re: new to feeding raw
From: Giselle

6a. Re: Questions about Pork
From: T Smith
6b. Re: Questions about Pork
From: Giselle

7.1. Re: I've had enough - quitting raw
From: T Smith

8a. Re: raw beginner
From: T Smith

9a. Re: UK co-op?
From: caroline gebbie

10a. Re: Is my dog starving?
From: Paul Hoebing

11a. Re: raw meat only
From: T Smith

12a. Re: {Raw Feeding} Seizures
From: Giselle

13a. Re: Puppy evaluation/admonished for feeding raw
From: Giselle
13b. Re: Puppy evaluation/admonished for feeding raw
From: Caren OConnor
13c. Re: Puppy evaluation/admonished for feeding raw
From: Caren OConnor

14a. Udate: Avocado pit
From: Cdandp2@aol.com
14b. Re: Udate: Avocado pit
From: Misty Sargent

15. Update on my "starving" dog
From: qsgirl916

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1.1. Re: New to Raw
Posted by: "Denise Strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:00 pm ((PDT))

It is the chewing up bones and big hunks of meat that cleans the
teeth. Edible bone is bone that the dog can crunch up and swallow.
Most beef bones from mature cattle are too dense for most dogs to
crunch up and eat. If the dog tries to chew on a bone that is too
dense to be broken up and eaten, he/she may very well crack or break a
tooth. Probably why so many vets seem to love to tell clients, or
should that be sell clients, about recreational/wreck bones. Can you
say Mo Money, Mo Money, Mo Money!? Denise

> Now I'm a bit confused. Are beef bones bad for their teeth? I
thought beef bones were ok and even beneficial for cleaning because
they are so hard?
Thanks for any advice I'm still new to this,
Paul

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1.2. Re: New to Raw
Posted by: "Paul Hoebing" pjhoebing@yahoo.com pjhoebing
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:34 am ((PDT))

That's good to know thanks. Still learning here.

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From: Andrea <poketmouse45@yahoo.com>
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 6:54:30 AM
Subject: [rawfeeding] Re: New to Raw

Paul, for the most part beef bones are just too darned dense for safe
eating. The leg bones are strong enough to hold up an extremely
heavy cow so between the bone and a dog's tooth something has to
give. Usually dogs make a good dent in the bone, but that doesn't
mean the teeth didn't get their share of damage. Lots of people on
this list stopped offering marrow bones when their dogs had teeth
broken or removed because of fractures.

That said, not all beef bones are hard enough to break teeth, but
they are super hard compared to other bones and a lot of dogs just
don't bother. When my boys get beef ribs they usually strip the meat
and cartilage off the bones and then leave them around the house.
Same thing with beef necks. As a matter of fact, I don't recall them
ever consuming a beef bone except for oxtail.

Beef bones with meat covering them are good things, they give a great
workout for the dog. The bare leg bones or knuckle bones, not so
much.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogro ups.com, Paul Hoebing <pjhoebing@. ..> wrote:

> Now I'm a bit confused. Are beef bones bad for their teeth? I
thought beef bones were ok and even beneficial for cleaning because
they are so hard?

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2a. Re: Dog with Eating Disorder
Posted by: "Denise Strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:01 pm ((PDT))

I regularly feed whole chickens, 5 to 8 lb pork shoulder roasts, whole
beef hearts, slabs of pork ribs, lamb and goat heads and similarly
large hunks of animal to 5lb Chihuahuas and a Pit. It's great, they
get a whole front end work out holding down and ripping off bite size
bits. In your dogs case, bigger would definately be better. Denise

Cute post--it sounded like part sarcasm, but it also sounded like you
might not know that that is normal dog eating. :-) I think your
idea of too large isn't large enough. They are designed to eat
really large things attached to skin and bone (wolves kill elk and
feed off the carcass!) and to have to work to get at the meat and
dismantle things.

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3a. Re: Chickens and Ducks
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:02 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Francine-Texas" <francie43@...> wrote:
>
> If I start feeding my dogs raw will they bother my chickens and
ducks that
> they now get along fine with?
Hi Francine,
Check this out.

http://rawfed.com/colbythekiller.html

KathyM who
says sorry cuz you'll have to type it in because i don't know how to
make the kind that you just click on and it works

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4a. Re: Demodex
Posted by: "tori maekawa" tmaekawa@yahoo.com tmaekawa
Date: Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:04 pm ((PDT))

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Hi Christy,
I feel for you regarding your Molly. If this demodex is the "mange" family then raw is great. Only because for kibble we really don't know what is in there. As for the mange and diet the vets say is very important on what is fed. No this, no that..too much this or too much that...it just drove me crazy. What I did was turn over completely to raw starting with just chicken. Thigh, drumstick, breast and some neck or drumstick bones. This way I just limited him to only 1 type of food, hoping that it illiminated the things that triggered his itch. To be honest, dipping him helped but it does cost a lot. He has out grown it (crossing my fingers) or maybe it is the raw. I have been on raw ever since and have had no problems with my poodle and my bichon!!
Aloha and good luck!!
Tori

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5a. Re: new to feeding raw
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:18 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Maxie!
Have you done any reading in the archives or recommended
websites?
Its sometimes helpful to print out archived posts and info from
websites and highlight the relevant data, to help you plan and problem
solve.
These links should help you understand species appropriate whole prey
model raw feeding better and refocus your current feeding and shopping
plans.
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/141374

post # 141374

http://www.virtualweberbullet.com/meatcharts.html

http://www.rawfed.com/myths/index.html

http://rawfeddogs.net/Recipes

Feeding whole meals of unfamiliar proteins and squidgey ick organs is
a recipe for regurgitation and cannon butt. When a dog regurgitates a
meal, it doesn't mean the dog is ill, or the food isn't good for them.
Dogs are more casual than we are about horking up items like
undigested bone, or too large chunks of meat, or a meal that isn't
settling well. Doesn't mean that you should let it go to waste, let
the dog have access (without wringing your hands or loudly complaining
about it) to it for 10 minutes or so, usually they will re eat it, and
all will be well.

Time to fall back, and regroup - slow introduction of ONE protein for
a week or two at a time, and holding off on introducing the organs
until your dog(s) have had several proteins and several weeks of
adjusting to raw feeding is a plan that will serve you and your dog(s)
well. When you do introduce organs, add small bits of an organ to
bonier meals to reduce the unfortunate effect that organs can have.
You can increase their bowel tolerance by gradually increasing the
amount of organ fed at a meal - some dogs never get to the point of
whole organ meals without having loose, sloppy or runny stools.

A balanced diet happens over time; weeks and months, not every day - a
perfectly balanced food for every day is a fallacy and a bill of goods
that the pet food industry has sold us all on.

Give your dog a break - most dogs only experiences with real meat has
been counter surfing, or 'dumpster diving' - they've been restricted
to the equivalent of eating cereal all their lives. They can be
excused for being tentative about eating real food at first.

Please don't think of feeding your dog RMBs - think animal parts and
cuts of meat - most items sold as RMBs aren't nearly meaty enough, and
usually are too hard - they will wear teeth down or break or fracture
them, given time.
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> Hi I just started a few weeks ago and am concerned about which kinds
of cuts of meats to
> give my dog...also she is picky with the raw food I give her for
example I bought tongue
> (pork) and she didn't eat it

<snip>
>
quick question..I fed pork liver, to my dog (1st time) she doesn't
really care for it but ate it
because it was the only thing I gave her (rmb followed) well 30
minutes have passed and
she has thrown up bits and pieces of it with lots of what looks like
saliva...why? is this not
good for her?

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6a. Re: Questions about Pork
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:33 am ((PDT))

What does this mean, please? offal?
trina

On 9/27/07, Delinda Harmon <dharmon@homenetnw.net> wrote:
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> ,<<<, almost refused to give my pork offal, >>>>
>

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6b. Re: Questions about Pork
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:58 am ((PDT))

Hi, Trina!
Wiki says;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offal

> What does this mean, please? offal?
> trina
>
> On 9/27/07, Delinda Harmon <dharmon@...> wrote:
> >
> > ,<<<, almost refused to give my pork offal, >>>>

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7.1. Re: I've had enough - quitting raw
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:33 am ((PDT))

PLEASE, You need a new vet or at least another opinion.
If hubby doesn't want to, do it while he's not around!
Do it for your dog's sake :-)
I think the raw is not the issue BUT I am NEW to RAW!
Trina
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Casper (deaf Great Dane)
Whisper (deaf Great Dane)
Louie (hearing Great Dane)
Joey (deaf & blind Lhasa Apso)
Amy (disabled Lhasa Apso)
Cassandra (disabled Lhasa Apso)
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8a. Re: raw beginner
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:33 am ((PDT))

I switched right away. That's what everyone recommended to me.
So far here are the first two days' reports & updates for you all on my 4
dogs (out of 9) that have been switched). I am keeping track of it daily so
i know what all is going on so i can reflect as i move through this. i may
put it up on my myspace blog....

DAY 1 (RAW DIET)

Wednesday September 26, 2007.

The morning feeding was the first for our trial with RAW diet.

Whisper was very interested in her chicken & played with it a bit & chewed;
eating only a small bite or two.
Louie wanted nothing to do with the raw meat. A few licks & that was all.

In the evening Louie chewed on the end of a leg but lost interest after a
short time. Perhaps too much work for his food.

Whisper collected a few pieces; one from the outside she had left out there
hidden & others (two from the morning) ending up with 4 pieces all to
herself. She tried chewing on it & kept interest for quite sometime.

About 2 hours prior to this feeding she had thrown up at the dog park some
grass she ate. I predict due to an empty tummy & eating grass plus rough
play.

I also decided to feed Casper & Chip the chicken as well & start them on
the diet because of Casper's poor stools he's always had & Chip's poor
health. Although Chip has had normal stools.

Casper tossed his around a bit, licked it, had a nibble of the crunched bone
he had dropped but left it outside & lost interest. Note: he hasn't been
eating much of the kibble; he had dropped down 2 cups per day from his
normal feeding.

Chip couldn't eat his fast enough!! I was terribly afraid he would choke
on it & the bones would be an issue.

He ate the whole thigh & leg!
DAY TWO: RAW FEEDING

Casper, Louie & Whisper ate their chicken, bones & all J Good kids!

Chip of course, ate his no problem but it was cut up to more reasonable
sizes since he swallows his food!

Whisper's stool was normal (OMG)! YEAH!

Louie has watery stools. Bummer.

Tonight they all ate their chicken thigh (quarter) & they all got an extra
boneless piece of breast later tonight after I got home. I am worried we
aren't giving them enough…..

Chip's breast was rolled in his powdered medication.
Ah, a successful night!

Trina

On 9/27/07, lamar.vaughan <jlamarvaughan@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>
> I have a puppy that I am starting to change over to raw. Would it upset
> his system if I made a sudden change over or should he be slowly
> introduced to raw? Also, does it matter if I serve raw room temperature
> or should it be served right out of the fridge?
>
> J.L.
>
>

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9a. Re: UK co-op?
Posted by: "caroline gebbie" caz320ml@yahoo.com caz320ml
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:35 am ((PDT))

Hi Natalie

Very interesting post, I am new to raw and buying from Landywoods, Where abouts is your co-op? I am based in Doncaster South Yorkshire and would love to hear more if it is close enough.

Caroline, Bonnie and Londo

eyed_blue <eyed_blue@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Also I buy from what you would call a co-op type set-up so I only
spend what a 'good' k****e would cost, if not less. Even if I bought
from the butcher all the time it would only be the same cost as
ki**le/cans.

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10a. Re: Is my dog starving?
Posted by: "Paul Hoebing" pjhoebing@yahoo.com pjhoebing
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:35 am ((PDT))

Hold your ground. I've got a picky little rat terrier. I had luck searing the meat a little at first then gradually cooking less and less until raw. Still have trouble with liver but he's learning.

I'm on day 2 and a half with the raw diet. Corgi is still chowing away
at every meal. Greyhound mix is still snubbing her food at every meal.
I put it down, wait 20-30 minutes and put it away again.

She isn't whining or behaving in any way to indicate that she's
starving, but like most (I hope most anyway)doggie moms, I'm feeling
terrible. It has been so tough not to give in and give her something
not raw just so I know she's eating something.

I guess I just need some encouraging feedback. She isn't starving,
right? She'll break down soon and dig in to her food bowl, right?

It's hard to tell with her. She's a great dog - extremely laid back
and, compared to her Corgi companion, in no way a drama queen.

How do I know when enough is enough and it's time to try something else?

Sarah

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11a. Re: raw meat only
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:36 am ((PDT))

LOL, thanks for clarifying the disappearance.
I have a Lhasa with chronic ear issues. i will NOT get into his story but
it has been 11 years since I brought him home as a pup WITH ear infections &
they've been going on since then!
When i switch him over I will be SURE to record his health issues & follow
them closely since he has MANY we've been treating for years.
Thank you for this positive story!
Trina

On 9/27/07, Denise Strother <denisestrother@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> I disagree with your premise. I have seen dogs with chronic ear
> infections on a BARF diet, that when switched to raw prey model,
> disappeared.(The infection, not the dog) Dogs on meds for arthritis
> that were able to cut back on amounts or eliminate all together when
> switched. Now this might not be "scientific" in your eyes, but, it's
> proof enough for me. Besides, if you go by scientific studies, then
> you ought to know the ones done by the dog food companies say that you
> should be feeding their food anyway. Denise
>
>

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12a. Re: {Raw Feeding} Seizures
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:02 am ((PDT))

Hi, Brandi!
Raw feeding will improve a dog's health, but it isn't a
cure-all for anything.

Has your friend gotten her vet to do a full panel thyroid test and
sent it to Dr Jean Dodds for analysis and an evaluative diagnosis?
Among other symptoms, hypothyroidism can cause seizures.
http://www.canine-epilepsy-guardian-angels.com/ThyroidDisease.htm

Treatment for hypothyroidism, if present, is cheap, easy and
effective. Thyroid replacement therapy can dramatically improve the
dog's health, reduce the frequency of seizures, and reduce the amount
of meds needed to suppress them.

TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> Ok, I got some more information from my friend that has the female
> sheltie that's having seizures.
<snip>
She's on 32.16 mg of Phenobarbital (sp) - half that
> amount 16 something which she gives her pup twice a day. She's
> interested in RAW if she thinks that it would help her with the
> seizures.
>
> Any suggestions I could give her?
>
> --
> Brandi
> Bartlesville, Ok
> www.obediencetrainingclubofbartlesville.com
>

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13a. Re: Puppy evaluation/admonished for feeding raw
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:18 am ((PDT))

Hi, Caren!
Poppycock! So you should feed, uh, what? Doom Nuggets?
IMO, this is just another example of so-called 'experts' (not in
nutrition, surely) that will say ANYTHING to back up their biased
opinions.

This is just a variation of; "You shouldn't never feed xxx brand of
kibble, its bad for your pups, I ALWAYS feed yyy brand of kibble, and
MY pups are always winners!"

I do wish you would've gotten her eval BEFORE you told her what you feed.

A topic you should read;
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/142520

You know what to feed, 80% meatymeat - 10% edible bone - 10% organs,
5% of which should be liver. Just because a wolf can't obtain optimum
food for it's pups in today's restricted wilds of the world, doesn't
mean you should have to feed cr*p-in-a-bag to your pups. Really.

TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> Hello group -
> I had my litter of Cavalier pups evaluated today by a well-known AKC
> judge who routinely evaluates litters for breeders. She told me that
> by feeding raw I'm giving my puppies too many calories from protein
> and their front legs are starting to "bow out" because of the improper
> nutrition. She said a puppy in the wild would never be given the
> quality and quantity of protein I'm feeding.
> May I have some feedback from others who have had success in weaning
> pups onto raw. I'm sold on raw just a little rattled by the comments.
> Your thoughts and comments in this regard, please.
> Thanks so much.
> Caren O'Connor
> Nansemond Cavaliers
>

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13b. Re: Puppy evaluation/admonished for feeding raw
Posted by: "Caren OConnor" cavkist@yahoo.com cavkist
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:23 am ((PDT))

Bill -
Actually I did not know that pups should be on the thin side. I will reduce total calories. I do not see the legs bowing out but she pushed on the foreleg from behind and it did give way more on my girl than on the other two boys.
Thank you so much for your advice. I will begin feeding less bone - am only actually starting to give chicken necks - but will feed less overall.
Caren O'Connor
Nansemond Cavaliers

carnesbill <carnesw@bellsouth.net> wrote:
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "cavkist" <cavkist@...> wrote:
>
> She told me that
> by feeding raw I'm giving my puppies too many calories from
protein
> and their front legs are starting to "bow out" because of the
> improper nutrition.

Can you see the legs "bowing out" or do you just take the judges
word that they are? Many people mistakenly think that too much
protein causes growth problems. If your judge knew about raw, she
could possibly "imagined" they were "bowed" thinking that too much
protein will cause it eventually. Laura is right, too much calcium
(bone) COULD cause this problem as well as too much nutrition.

If it was my dog and I could actually see bowed legs, I would feed
less bone AND less total food. I'm sure you know that puppies
should be on the thin side.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

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13c. Re: Puppy evaluation/admonished for feeding raw
Posted by: "Caren OConnor" cavkist@yahoo.com cavkist
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:25 am ((PDT))

Laura -
I'm feeding a variety of meats: fish(with bone), chicken, turkey, lamb, beef, tripe, liver, gizzards, heart, and some chicken necks.
Do you think I've fed too many necks? I haven't fed much other bone because they are small, their mouths tiny, and they can't break through the bone. The ONLY other bone was fish bones in their fish I have fed.
I did supplement with a milk replacer when trying to wean from mom. Could that be the culprit? There was dehydrated canine milk in the milk replacer.
Thank you so much for your input:)
Caren O'Connor
Nansemond Cavaliers

Laura Atkinson <llatkinson@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok, here it goes.

You are not feeding a high protein diet. You are feeding a combination of
vitamins, minerals, WATER, protein, fat and even some limited carbs.
(there's a recent thread about feeding 100% protein, it's just not
happening)

If there's a nutritional aspect to the legs bowing, then let's evaluate WHAT
you're feeding them and fix that. My suspicion (as usual) is that you're
probably feeding too much calcium (aka bone) for the puppies. But let's
start with what they're eating and go from there.

On 9/27/07, cavkist <cavkist@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Hello group -
> I had my litter of Cavalier pups evaluated today by a well-known AKC
> judge who routinely evaluates litters for breeders. She told me that
> by feeding raw I'm giving my puppies too many calories from protein
> and their front legs are starting to "bow out" because of the improper
> nutrition. She said a puppy in the wild would never be given the
> quality and quantity of protein I'm feeding.
> May I have some feedback from others who have had success in weaning
> pups onto raw. I'm sold on raw just a little rattled by the comments.
> Your thoughts and comments in this regard, please.
> Thanks so much.
> Caren O'Connor
> Nansemond Cavaliers
>

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14a. Udate: Avocado pit
Posted by: "Cdandp2@aol.com" Cdandp2@aol.com cdandp
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:54 am ((PDT))

Spencer seems to be passing that avocado pit he swallowed on Saturday...bit
by bit. I notice about 1/2" pieces in his tool from time to time. BUT, he's
also slurping up water much more than usual and seems a little uncomfortable
at night (licking and mild smacking and moving around until he drops off) as
if he's nauseaus. No vomiting. Otherwise fine (appetite, play, following
me around, retrieving his ball, and good energy and interest in surroundings).

So, I guess I'm still just watching him? But the concern is that while I"m
watching him he's being slowly poisoned by the stuff in the pit (persin, I
believe?), and I won't know it until it's too late.

Holding on to the stories several of you sent me regarding your fur kids
ingesting multiples and doing fine.

Thanks for all the support/help/suggestions/stories.

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14b. Re: Udate: Avocado pit
Posted by: "Misty Sargent" jrtlover27@yahoo.com jrtlover27
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:24 am ((PDT))

If I were you, I could contact the vet just to be on the safe side. After all, it is the pit itself and not the actual fruit that is supposedly a risk to dogs. In my opinion, it's alwasy better safe than sorry if you are noticing symptoms of something.

Misty

Cdandp2@aol.com wrote:
Spencer seems to be passing that avocado pit he swallowed on Saturday...bit
by bit. I notice about 1/2" pieces in his tool from time to time. BUT, he's
also slurping up water much more than usual and seems a little uncomfortable
at night (licking and mild smacking and moving around until he drops off) as
if he's nauseaus. No vomiting. Otherwise fine (appetite, play, following
me around, retrieving his ball, and good energy and interest in surroundings).

So, I guess I'm still just watching him? But the concern is that while I"m
watching him he's being slowly poisoned by the stuff in the pit (persin, I
believe?), and I won't know it until it's too late.

Holding on to the stories several of you sent me regarding your fur kids
ingesting multiples and doing fine.

Thanks for all the support/help/suggestions/stories.

Carol for Spencer, the "hoover" dog

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15. Update on my "starving" dog
Posted by: "qsgirl916" qsgirl916@yahoo.com qsgirl916
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:25 am ((PDT))

First off, thanks so much for the encouragement! It is so hard to not
give in to her - her name is Fern by the way.

I've been trying out some of your suggestions:

Day 2 - warmed up the chicken in warm water rubbed on a little
garlic. No luck.

Day 3 - Cut chicken into slightly smaller pieces and tucked cheese
into some pockets I made in the meat. Then, I sprinkled a little
cheese on top.

Fern loves cheese. I thought this would work hands down. She heard
the cheese packaging crinkle. She came running. I made her sit for
dinner (protocol at our house). I gave her a little hand-fed cheese.
Then, I sprinkled the cheese on her food in her bowl while she
watched. Back in the kibble days, she would be going crazy to get at
that dinner bowl by now.

When I released her from her stay position, she rushed to her bowl
and started sniffing and licking up the cheese. And then, she spent
several minutes unearthing every "pocket" of cheese in that chicken.
When she was done, the chicken stood alone and uneaten.

I keep holding out, right?

Sarah

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