[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12089

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: New member - probably silly question
From: Andrea
1b. Re: New member - probably silly question
From: carnesbill
1c. Re: New member - probably silly question
From: att_makes_alt
1d. Re: New member - probably silly question
From: Sandee Lee
1e. Re: New member - probably silly question
From: T Smith

2a. Re: Beef feet
From: Andrea
2b. Re: Beef feet
From: costrowski75

3a. Re: Update on my "starving" dog
From: Andrea
3b. Re: Update on my "starving" dog
From: carnesbill
3c. Re: Update on my "starving" dog
From: Misty Sargent

4a. Re: {Raw Feeding} Seizures
From: Michelle Grabert
4b. Re: {Raw Feeding} Seizures
From: costrowski75

5a. New member here... Need help.
From: Alexander Dewey
5b. Re: New member here... Need help.
From: Andrea

6a. Re: How do I start?
From: one_sojourner_one
6b. Re: How do I start?
From: carnesbill

7a. Whole Turkey Necks
From: GWiesmore
7b. Re: Whole Turkey Necks
From: carnesbill

8a. Re: Fish and fur and other friends?
From: Michelle Grabert
8b. Re: Fish and fur and other friends?
From: costrowski75

9. Feeding pills in RAW/Temperment & RAW
From: T Smith

10a. Re: Confused about beef bones
From: cleone4100@aol.com
10b. Re: Confused about beef bones
From: Olga

11a. Re: bones in poo!
From: Olga

12a. Re: Demodex
From: Michelle Grabert

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1a. Re: New member - probably silly question
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:18 am ((PDT))

It won't hurt her to swallow big pieces more or less whole, but a 65lb
girl should be getting at least a quarter so she has to do some work on
the food.

Wait, you meant whole drumstick with meat, not just the bone, right?
If you meant bare bone then start giving her bone in meat. About the
size of a chicken quarter. Cutting up swallowable pieces into smaller
pieces only increases the likelyhood of choking.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "petpalikali" <petpalikali@...>
wrote:

> When I give her a whole chicken drumstick bone, she chomps it
> all up at once - swallowing the whole thing. I haven't noticed a
> problem with it, but was concerned that it wasn't chewed up enough for
> her to digest. Is this ok, or should I chop the bone into smaller
> pieces. She's a big girl, about 65 pounds of love.
>

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1b. Re: New member - probably silly question
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:53 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "petpalikali" <petpalikali@...>
wrote:

> I've been moving my dog toward an all raw diet for about 3 months
> now. When I give her a whole chicken drumstick bone, she chomps it
> all up at once - swallowing the whole thing.

You are equating dog chewing with human chewing. They are not the
same. We chew food to a mush before we swallow it. For us,
digestion begins in the mouth. Dogs only crunch things into small
enough parts to fit down the throat and some pretty big things will
fit down a dog's throat. Dog's digestion begins in the stomach.

What you are seeing won't cause a problem as one of my Danes will
sometimes steal a drumstick from one of the cats and will swallow it
whole with no crunches at all. It has never caused a problem.

I suggest you feed larger pieces. Chicken backs are the smallest
thing I feed. Quarters are a good size. Feed them pieces that are
too big to swallow. This promotes chewing which is good for their
teeth and gums. It prevents periodontal problems.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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1c. Re: New member - probably silly question
Posted by: "att_makes_alt" att_makes_alt@yahoo.com att_makes_alt
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:53 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "petpalikali" <petpalikali@...>
wrote:
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When I give her a whole chicken drumstick bone, she chomps it
> all up at once - swallowing the whole thing. I haven't noticed a
> problem with it, but was concerned that it wasn't chewed up enough for
> her to digest. Is this ok, or should I chop the bone into smaller
> pieces. She's a big girl, about 65 pounds of love.
>
First of all, don't be worried about silly questions. You may want to
give her 1/4 or 1/2 a whole chicken instead of a leg; that will
encourage your dog to chew. :)

Jeri

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1d. Re: New member - probably silly question
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:14 am ((PDT))

Well, that's the normal way for a dog to eat...crunch, crunch, swallow. You
don't want to chop up the bone, you want to feed her something larger...a
chicken quarter would be the smallest food I would offer a dog her size.

Dump that kibble, get a couple of whole chickens and quarter them!

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "petpalikali" <petpalikali@yahoo.com>

I've been moving my dog toward an all raw diet for about 3 months
now. When I give her a whole chicken drumstick bone, she chomps it
all up at once - swallowing the whole thing. I haven't noticed a
problem with it, but was concerned that it wasn't chewed up enough for
her to digest. Is this ok, or should I chop the bone into smaller
pieces. She's a big girl, about 65 pounds of love.

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1e. Re: New member - probably silly question
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:28 am ((PDT))

My Dal ate the thigh & drumstick in TWO pieces ONLY because he accidentally
chewed it in half while trying to swallow it whole the first time he ate
RAW.
So, now I chop in into bite sized (2 x 2 -ish) pieces so he doesn't choke
himself! He took to the RAW like there was never ever another food! The
other 3 are doing well though I feel I am not feeding enough. The chewing &
working for food was 'not worth it to them' at first but by day 2 meal, they
EAT, EAT, EAT :-)
I know it is totally impressed upon us to do "gradual changes" in feedings
but the RAW change is immediate & the reasoning makes so much sense. the
digestion of k**le vs raw food. I know someone else will quote it better
than I can, I am only on DAY 3 for 4 of my 9 furkids.
Take Care
Trina

On 9/28/07, att_makes_alt <att_makes_alt@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com <rawfeeding%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "petpalikali" <petpalikali@...>
> wrote:
> >
> When I give her a whole chicken drumstick bone, she chomps it
> > all up at once - swallowing the whole thing. I haven't noticed a
> > problem with it, but was concerned that it wasn't chewed up enough for
> > her to digest. Is this ok, or should I chop the bone into smaller
> > pieces. She's a big girl, about 65 pounds of love.
> >
>
>

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2a. Re: Beef feet
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:18 am ((PDT))

My boys love beef feet for chew toys! It takes them a while to work
down to the bones but they have a great dime doing it. If you decide
to buy them make sure you tell them not to cut it up when you order.
More than once the meat guy has assumed I wanted the foot cubed up.
Not much meat on the foot, so I think its better as funtime chewing
than a meal.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "carolejc2007" <mooska2me@...> wrote:
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> The local hispanic market has beef feet advertised for .69 lb. I am
> still new to raw feeding so what I am wondering is if beef feet would
> make a meal or if they are more suitable for something like snacks or
> chews.

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2b. Re: Beef feet
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:28 am ((PDT))

"carolejc2007" <mooska2me@...> wrote:
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> The local hispanic market has beef feet advertised for .69 lb. I am
> still new to raw feeding so what I am wondering is if beef feet would
> make a meal or if they are more suitable for something like snacks or
> chews.
*****
Chews.
Not food.
Not even snacks.

Whole, unassailable cow feet are the only "rec" bones I give my dogs;
not even my BC (a year old Sunday!) gets less than that. With skin on
(hair off) cow feet are definitely a handful. Um, mouthful. Um,
pawful. And under the skin there's connective tissue and some
crunchable bones (maybe not for your dogs) and several inches of long
bone complete with marrow if you're so inclined. I let my dogs mess
with the marrow--assuming they've gotten that far--before I toss the
bone.

My BC will work all day on a foot with little to show for her efforts
but she sure am content. Sometimes she'll have a bit of predawn
horking to get rid of whatever didn't sit right. To date not a dog has
had any responses worse than that.

And that price is a good one.
Chris O

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3a. Re: Update on my "starving" dog
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:18 am ((PDT))

I agree to a point. I talked about how Geiger just doesn't like duck
for some reason. Now I don't bother making him eat duck, there are
many other fabulous meats he loves to eat. That said, this dog is
just flat refusing to try the food. Starting a raw diet by letting
the dog dictate what they eat sends the wrong signal to the dog.
Down the line if this dog always balks at chicken then by all means,
leave chicken off the menu. If we let our dogs go without the foods
they didn't really like lots of dogs would go without organs
alltogether.

I think having a dog that will at least *try* everything is very
important. If this dog were eating a tiny amount of chicken every
meal I would agree that it is time to go onto another protein.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Misty Sargent <jrtlover27@...>
wrote:
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> too many people do not LISTEN to their dogs. Dogs can not speak to
> us verbally so they speak to us through their behavior. Your dog
> may be trying to tell you that the chicken does not "agree" with
> her.

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3b. Re: Update on my "starving" dog
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:53 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Misty Sargent <jrtlover27@...>
wrote:
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> I know many of you will not agree with me on this, but I
> think forcing the dog to eat the chicken is a terrible idea.

Letting the dog decide what he will and will not eat is an even more
terrible idea. There is no way that you can SOMETIMES let him
decide and sometimes not. It's not that way in the dog world.
Everything is "always" or "never".

I have no problem with not feeding your dog something he doesn't
like AFTER he has been on a well rounded diet for a few months. In
the beginning, no way will he decide what he will and will not eat.
He will eat what I give him or he won't eat. It's entirely his
decision.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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3c. Re: Update on my "starving" dog
Posted by: "Misty Sargent" jrtlover27@yahoo.com jrtlover27
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:28 am ((PDT))

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but no way would I let my dog lose too much weight or suffer gastrointestinal upset on a regular basis if he is allergic to it. It has been medically proven that my JRT is allergic to beef, and I will NOT force him to eat beef. I'm not suggesting to give up on the raw diet....simply to try another form of meat. Obviously the dog is rejecting the chicken repeatedly, and if you encourage her to hold out forever and the dog continues to refuse to eat, she is going to either have a very sick dog or a dead dog.

When you do not allow your dog to communicate with you, you are setting yourself up for disaster in the long run whether it be behaviorally or with physical problems resulting in huge vet bills. In my opinion, you should have a two way relationship with you dog....not be your dog's dictator.

Misty


carnesbill <carnesw@bellsouth.net> wrote:
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Misty Sargent <jrtlover27@...>
wrote:
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> I know many of you will not agree with me on this, but I
> think forcing the dog to eat the chicken is a terrible idea.

Letting the dog decide what he will and will not eat is an even more
terrible idea. There is no way that you can SOMETIMES let him
decide and sometimes not. It's not that way in the dog world.
Everything is "always" or "never".

I have no problem with not feeding your dog something he doesn't
like AFTER he has been on a well rounded diet for a few months. In
the beginning, no way will he decide what he will and will not eat.
He will eat what I give him or he won't eat. It's entirely his
decision.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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4a. Re: {Raw Feeding} Seizures
Posted by: "Michelle Grabert" chalienme@yahoo.com chalienme
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:18 am ((PDT))

ca you please tell me what is CH>? thanks , Michelle

jrtsnabc <jrtsnabc@yahoo.com> wrote: Hi Brandi,

Raw will definitely help with the seizures! Removing as many impurities from the diet is very important.

You may also ask your friend when the last time her dog was vaccinated, especially for rabies. The rabies vaccine is a big cause for seizures in animals.

Finally, you may suggest she consider working with a Classical Homeopath in addition to the change in diet. A CH can help repair damage that may have been done by vaccines (or inherited vaccinosis) that could be the cause of the seizures. Have her check out the Classical Homeopathy for Pets Yahoo! group.

Seizures cause more seizures so they are likely to continue to increase in number (especially since this is juvenile-onset epilepsy) unless they are somehow brought under control and it doesn't sound like the phenobarbital is really working. Unfortunately, the medications available to "control" epilepsy in canines are, in my opinion, about as damaging as the seizures themselves.

If you want to ask more questions about feeding raw, vaccine damage and CH, you may want to move your inquiries to the RawChat group.

Good luck!

Katherine and the Raw Fed/Vax-free JRTs & BC
Windsor, CO

Subject: [rawfeeding] {Raw Feeding} Seizures

Ok, I got some more information from my friend that has the female

sheltie that's having seizures. She will be 2 in Jan., she started

having seizures in April - started out that wouldn't have the seizures

about every month and they started increasing. Now she's having them

every 2 weeks. She's on 32.16 mg of Phenabarbertor (sp) - half that

amount 16 something which she gives her pup twice a day. She's

interested in RAW if she thinks that it would help her with the

seizures.

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4b. Re: {Raw Feeding} Seizures
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:56 am ((PDT))

Michelle Grabert <chalienme@...> wrote:
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> ca you please tell me what is CH>?
thanks , Michelle
*****
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For more information you might want to join RawChat.
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5a. New member here... Need help.
Posted by: "Alexander Dewey" alexanderdewey@yahoo.com alexanderdewey
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:19 am ((PDT))

My name is Alex and I have a pitbull named Gigi...

I'd like to try feeding raw but I'm overwhelmed by all the information that's out there. Can someone coach me along considering Gigi's specifics...

20 Months old (today!)
46 pounds
Very lean, all muscle.
Runs/plays/swims at least 3 hours on most days...

SHE DOES NOT ALWAYS CHEW WHAT SHE EATS...

So, how should I get started?? Pretty much everything is easy for me to buy.

Also, simple questions - please don't make fun...

Exactly what are 'meaty bones'?
And, when I start feeding her chicken, shouldn't they still have their feathers?

Alex Dewey

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5b. Re: New member here... Need help.
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:53 am ((PDT))

Ok, you can start feeding her about 1lb of food a day. We usually
say to start with chicken because it is easy to find and pretty
cheap. If you can get pork, rabbit, goat etc for reasonable prices
you are free to choose which ever one you want to start with. For
the first week or two feed only one protein source and don't worry
about adding organs in just yet. Since she's a gulper, feed large
pieces that will require that she rips/tears/crunches before she can
swallow. No smaller than chicken quarters.

> Exactly what are 'meaty bones'?

Really, that is a fantastic question! Some people start out thinking
necks and wings are "meaty bones" because they are bones that kind of
have meat on them. When we talk about meaty bones we mean a hunk of
meat with a bone somewhere inside. If you can't make out the shape
of the underlying bone, that is a truly meaty bone.

> And, when I start feeding her chicken, shouldn't they still have
> their feathers?

Whole prey is ideal. Most of us don't have access to unprocessed
animals, so we do what we can. Some dogs flat out refuse to eat
something that still has its fur/feathers. If you can get whole
chickens, by all means try them! But if you can't or your girl won't
eat it that way do not fret.

Andrea

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6a. Re: How do I start?
Posted by: "one_sojourner_one" onesojourner@gmail.com one_sojourner_one
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:15 am ((PDT))

> "If you won't eat what you are feeding your dog, its not good enough
> to feed him either."
> Bill Carnes

Please tell us you are not eating raw chicken quarters for dinner! ;)

peter

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6b. Re: How do I start?
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:52 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "one_sojourner_one"
<onesojourner@...> wrote:
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> > "If you won't eat what you are feeding your dog, its not good
enough
> > to feed him either."
> > Bill Carnes
>
> Please tell us you are not eating raw chicken quarters for
dinner! ;)

NO, but I eat BBQ chicken quarters pretty regularly. :) :) :)

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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7a. Whole Turkey Necks
Posted by: "GWiesmore" gwiesmore@yahoo.com GWiesmore
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:15 am ((PDT))

Our 5 month old bullmastiff absolutely loves turkey necks. We used to
cut them up into small 1"x1" chunks, but then our breeder told us that
chewing the full neck would be better for her teeth and exercising her
jaws. Here's the rub... When we give her a whole turkey neck, she
chews the fat end just enough to break up the bones and make it
skinnier, then swallows the darned thing whole. Although she doesn't
exhibit any negative signs after swallowing the neck whole, I'm
concerned that the length of the neck is not going to fit in her
stomach and hurt her. These things are 8"-9" long.

Here are my questions:
1) Is this normal?
2) Will swallowing this thing whole hurt her?
3) Should we cut the necks into smaller chunks (defeating the purpose
of the raw meaty bone for her teeth and jaws?

Thanks,
Greg

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7b. Re: Whole Turkey Necks
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:53 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "GWiesmore" <gwiesmore@...> wrote:
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> Here's the rub... When we give her a whole turkey neck, she
> chews the fat end just enough to break up the bones and make it
> skinnier, then swallows the darned thing whole.

> Here are my questions:
> 1) Is this normal?

It's pretty much how my Danes chew turkey necks. They chew it up
until its kind of a long string of mush then swallow it.
Occasionally they will hork it back up, chew a little more then
swallow again.

> 2) Will swallowing this thing whole hurt her?

No

> 3) Should we cut the necks into smaller chunks (defeating
> the purpose of the raw meaty bone for her teeth and jaws?

No ... Mine eat the big long ones about a foot long.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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8a. Re: Fish and fur and other friends?
Posted by: "Michelle Grabert" chalienme@yahoo.com chalienme
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:51 am ((PDT))

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ok, thanks Chris. another question, might seem funny or stupid but I am not trying to be. Someone had mentioned feeder mice and rats being good prey model food for cats..Well, got me wondering about goldfish. Heck, can get 100 of them here for probably five dollars. woul they be good for cats? They can grow quite big too..would the bigger ones be good for pups.? any nutritinal value in this type of fish for them? michelle

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8b. Re: Fish and fur and other friends?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:04 am ((PDT))

Michelle Grabert <chalienme@...> wrote:
another question, might seem funny or stupid but I am not trying to
be.
*****
Nope, it's a perfectly logical question.

got me wondering about goldfish. Heck, can get 100 of them here for
probably five dollars. woul they be good for cats?
*****
Others know lots more about cats than I do. My take on this is fish
are not necessarily species appropriate to a cat's diet so while an
occasional fish is okay, a steady diet is not. Also, the nutritional
value of goldfish/carp/any fish is directly related to the goldfish's
diet. If you can feed goldfish a good natural diet they will be more
useful to your cat than dimestore goldfish fed goldfish food flakes.

Yes, the larger ones can be fed to dogs. Whether the cat or dogs
will eat the carp remains to be seen.
Chris O

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9. Feeding pills in RAW/Temperment & RAW
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:53 am ((PDT))

I have a few dogs needing medications.
One is my Dal & he takes alot of medicines. He's old & sick & cranky!
I usually give it in a ball of canned food but would like to give it in
something raw based...I don't want to feed the canned crap any more.
Hamburger? I am hearing alot more on a different list about feeding raw
burger... I thought it wasn't a main source? Advice welcomed here. i also
thought about grinding up chicken necks and using them in little balls with
pills.

On a totally off the main food: will raw help (could it) my Dal's
temperament who is getting worse. He is in pain & on pain meds but he is
also a butthead! He accidentally bit me this morning in my calf when he
didn't like my other dog in his space. It wasn't nice & it isn't pretty
looking onmy leg!! Thankfully it isn't shorts weather. I don't want to go
off topic here, just hoping others have dealt with raw & temperamental dogs
& would like to know if there was any difference: good, bad or otherwise? I
will be adding another pain med in his diet now. But any natural foods in
RAW that can work as a natural pain reliever?
Trina
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Chip (deaf Dalmatian)
Casper (deaf Great Dane)
Whisper (deaf Great Dane)
Louie (hearing Great Dane)
Joey (deaf & blind Lhasa Apso)
Amy (disabled Lhasa Apso)
Cassandra (disabled Lhasa Apso)
Mr Paris (Lhasa Apso)
Chloe (deaf & blind Spaniel mix)

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10a. Re: Confused about beef bones
Posted by: "cleone4100@aol.com" cleone4100@aol.com cleone4100
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:54 am ((PDT))

Thanks, I will look for some other meatier and safer bones for them to chew
on. Carey, Biscuit & Gravy

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10b. Re: Confused about beef bones
Posted by: "Olga" olga.drozd@gmail.com olga_d
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:13 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "cleone4100" <cleone4100@...> wrote:
> I get a bag from the grocery store that contains knuckles (knees &
> hocks?) and sawn portions of the leg bone.

I would toss the whole lot - both the knuckle and marrow bones. You
can make soup with them if you're into that sort of thing.

You should find that feeding a raw diet does a good job of cleaning
the teeth. It's sort of the difference between using a soft
toothbrush on your teeth everyday versus a wire-bristled brush only
occasionally.

Olga

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11a. Re: bones in poo!
Posted by: "Olga" olga.drozd@gmail.com olga_d
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:07 am ((PDT))

I feed neck bones with extra added meat (like some heart, frequently).
Also, chicken wings and necks are too small for a 50 lb dog, not to
mention also too heavy in bone unless you are adding a lot of boneless
meat. If you feed too much bone, you will find bone pieces in the
stool in my experience, because their system can only digest so much
of it.

Also, how many times have you fed beef? In my experience it's richer
than poultry and pork, so I had to feed small amounts of it first and
give it a few tries before my two had firm stools on it. Beef is a
very worthwhile protein to feed. As far as turkey, have you tried
more meaty pieces? Same for pork, more meaty. :D

Olga

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "patti.h310" <patti.h310@...> wrote:
> I'm new to raw feeding and my 50lb. Beardie loves me for it. However,
> he's very particular! Chicken wings and leg quarters are ok, but he
> won't touch necks. Beef Ribs give him loose stooles. Won't touch
> turkey necks or any kind of liver. Will not even consider lamb. He
> loves pork neck bones but sometimes I find large, quarter sized pieces
> of hard bone in his poo. (I poked it with a stick!) Should I stop
> giving him the pork neck bones?

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12a. Re: Demodex
Posted by: "Michelle Grabert" chalienme@yahoo.com chalienme
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:28 am ((PDT))

Irene, with the lavender oil..may I ask what yu can use as the carrier oils? thanks, Michelle

Denise Strother <denisestrother@yahoo.com> wrote: Hi Christy,

I am not the one with the bulldog, but I do fostering and come
across more than my fair share of demodex. Yes, raw feeding will
make a huge difference with demodex. Here's the deal. All dogs have
demodex mites. They live in the hair follicles. The mites migrate
from the momma dog to the puppies and most of the time are not an
issue. BTW, people can have these mites. Anyway, the mites become a
problem when the dogs immune system is not good. The mites overgrow
and cause the problem. The vets normally treat the symptom, the
mites, instead of the illness, a bad immune system. Feeding raw and
not poisoning the dog helps to repair the immune system. You can put
a few drops of lavender essential oil in a carrier oil and apply it
to the itchy spot th relieve the itching. There are other things you
can do also, I'm sure others will give you recipes for anti-itch
stuff. I like the oil based ones because it seems like the oil based
stuff works better on demodex to sooth the skin. I'm sure homeopathy
will help. I haven't tried that because of the expense and because
rawfeeding, no vaccinations, no poison, no antibiotics and a little
lavender oil have done the trick. The last foster I had with demodex
had generalized demo and went from having no hair to hair all over
in about 6 weeks. I'm sure you will hear from other rescuers and
fosters especially. Hope this helps. Denise

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "cr008k" <crakoczy@...> wrote:
Molly has a mild case of localized demodex and was put on some kind
of medicine from the vet that she gets orally by a syringe once a
day. My question, for the person who said they fed their bulldog
with demodex on raw and that the dog was looking great (or anyone
else who has experience with this) will the raw food really have an
affect on the demodex and if so, how long will it take to see an
improvement in her itching. She's been on the meds from the vet for
almost 3 weeks and she still has a red spot on one of her legs and
she is still itching :( We're planning on starting on chickens
(either whole or the chicken quarters) and then slowly introducing
other proteins and organs.
Thanks!
Christy

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