[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12093

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Best-in-Show line up 50% raw
From: Krissy
1b. Re: Best-in-Show line up 50% raw
From: merril Woolf

2a. mixed question...
From: iumadness64
2b. Re: mixed question...
From: costrowski75

3a. Hiding food? Newbie question
From: Kathie Middlemiss
3b. Re: Hiding food? Newbie question
From: Andrea
3c. Re: Hiding food? Newbie question
From: Denise Strother

4. Raw feeding helped
From: abeautiful3

5a. Re: newbie - few questions
From: Denise Strother

6a. Re: bones in poo!
From: Denise Strother
6b. Re: bones in poo!
From: Denise Strother

7a. German Shepherd Overwieght
From: nasseralkhalifa
7b. Re: pigs feet and cow hooves
From: Howard Salob
7c. Re: pigs feet and cow hooves
From: costrowski75

8a. Newbie question - Chicken bones and possibility of intestinal perfor
From: hszymkowski
8b. Re: Newbie question - Chicken bones and possibility of intestinal pe
From: Andrea
8c. Re: Newbie question - Chicken bones and possibility of intestinal pe
From: Denise Strother

9a. ONE (SUCCESSFUL, I THINK) WEEK OF RAW
From: Kevin & Nancy McCloskey
9b. Re: ONE (SUCCESSFUL, I THINK) WEEK OF RAW
From: Denise Strother

10a. Re: another runny poo question
From: Andrea
10b. Re: another runny poo question
From: costrowski75

11a. Re: Fish and fur and other friends?
From: costrowski75

12. no poop is it time to panic?
From: Josephine Morningstar

13a. Re: Update on my "starving" dog
From: Denise Strother

14a. ADMIN/Re: new to raw with a question DEMODEX
From: costrowski75

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1a. Re: Best-in-Show line up 50% raw
Posted by: "Krissy" krissy@mitre.org krissyar26
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:35 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Maofryan@... wrote:
> When you see the Best In Show line-up at Westminster, I can tell
> you 50% of those dogs are eating raw....not Pedigree.

I'm guessing this isn't a statistic w/a "hard" reference.

Do other showers/breeders share this opinion - as high as 50%?

I have wondered for YEARS about this. I could not understand how the
coats, teeth, and muscle tone of those top dogs could possibly compete
w/raw fed dogs. It seems logical that the top dogs are raw fed, but we
don't hear about it.

I hope the percentage is that high....and that they start talking about
it!!

Krissy

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1b. Re: Best-in-Show line up 50% raw
Posted by: "merril Woolf" merril@kentfieldwhippets.com whippetsrus2002
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:53 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Krissy" <krissy@...> wrote:
>
> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Maofryan@ wrote:
> > When you see the Best In Show line-up at Westminster, I can tell
> > you 50% of those dogs are eating raw....not Pedigree.
>
> I'm guessing this isn't a statistic w/a "hard" reference.
>
> Do other showers/breeders share this opinion - as high as 50%?
>
> I have wondered for YEARS about this. I could not understand how the
> coats, teeth, and muscle tone of those top dogs could possibly compete
> w/raw fed dogs. It seems logical that the top dogs are raw fed, but we
> don't hear about it.
>
> I hope the percentage is that high....and that they start talking about
> it!!
>
> Krissy

I know it could be true of working sighthounds. I have never done an official opinion poll
on raw fed working sighthounds, but if you attend as many events as most of us do, you
soon learn that a high number of the dogs are raw fed. It's also easy to pick out the
kibble fed dogs for the most part.

People who depend on their dogs performance will soon gravitate towards raw eventually.
Dogs perform well on it and look good as well.

Merril

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2a. mixed question...
Posted by: "iumadness64" iumadness64@yahoo.com iumadness64
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:44 am ((PDT))

First let me say I really appreciate the information I get from all of
you. This forum has been a Godsend. I got my girl from the shelter
and have to get her spayed soon. Anything special I need to know about
her feeding habit before and/or after the surgery?

Stats:
Golden Retreiver/Yellow Lab mix
approx 9mo old
approx 45lbs
on raw for 2 days :)

Side note...think I have been giving too much bone (chicken) All the
posts from everyone helps me narrow down what I may need to do.

Thanks for any help.

Mark

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2b. Re: mixed question...
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:27 am ((PDT))

"iumadness64" <iumadness64@...> wrote:
Anything special I need to know about
> her feeding habit before and/or after the surgery?
*****
If you're supplementing heavily with fish body oil, you might want to
put that on haitus for a while, or at least ask the clinic ahead of
time since HIGH doses may increase clotting time.

If they entubate her she may be hacky from the irritation; if so,
feeding soft food for a few meals may help her feel better. Also, if
the vet wants her to avoid straining, you may want to forego dietary
extremes (no excessive bone, nothing that produces squirts).
Otherwise, you should not have to make any significant changes at all.

Chris O
(I don't suppose there's any way to postpone her spay until she's done
growing, is there? Oh, and if they have a jones to jab her while she's
in, buy time by asking that she not be vaccinated so close to surgery.
Oh, and don't even bring up that she's eating a healthy raw diet.)

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3a. Hiding food? Newbie question
Posted by: "Kathie Middlemiss" geekgirl717@gmail.com katjermid
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:44 am ((PDT))

Hiding food?

My pups have started taking their chicken quarters and dragging them off
the deck into the back yard.

They half bury them and then leave them for a while, going back to them
an hour (sometimes upwards of three hours) later.

This is all right for them to do, right? How long is too long before I
should hunt the yard for the chicken and toss it?

Thanks in advance!
Kathie, Mom to:
Jake Lab/something mix - 6 years/98 pounds
Max Lab - 13 weeks/30 pounds
Ruby Lab/shepherd mix - 12 weeks/20-ish pounds

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3b. Re: Hiding food? Newbie question
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:00 am ((PDT))

Sure, it's ok for dogs to eat "ripened" meats. I wouldn't go hunting around the yard for it
myself, though. Maybe once in a while you can skip a meal for the dogs so they go to their
stashes and clean them out. Or, if it bothers you you can feed them smaller portions.
Sometimes dogs bury their food because they prefer "ripe" food, sometimes it is just because
they aren't hungry enough to finish what they were given. Another option is to take the food
from them as they head off to hide it and put it back in the fridge.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Kathie Middlemiss <geekgirl717@...> wrote:

> They half bury them and then leave them for a while, going back to them
> an hour (sometimes upwards of three hours) later.
> This is all right for them to do, right? How long is too long before I
> should hunt the yard for the chicken and toss it?

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3c. Re: Hiding food? Newbie question
Posted by: "Denise Strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:36 am ((PDT))

If I give out food and the dogs don't eat it, I take it to mean that
they are not hungry and just put it up and feed them later. I don't
let them hide or bury stuff. Mostly because I live in Houston and it
will draw fire ants, which I refuse to help take over the world. Also,
if it is left over night, I would be overrun by the neighbors cats and
possums and coons. Denise

Hiding food? My pups have started taking their chicken quarters and
dragging them off the deck into the back yard. They half bury them and
then leave them for a while, going back to them an hour (sometimes
upwards of three hours) later. This is all right for them to do,
right? How long is too long before I should hunt the yard for the
chicken and toss it?

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4. Raw feeding helped
Posted by: "abeautiful3" abeautiful3@yahoo.com abeautiful3
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:47 am ((PDT))

Hello this is the question that I previously posted
I have been reading the messages and came across the one about
> demodex my question is what is demodex?
>
One of my dogs had the same symptoms as the demodwx mange I was about
to make her a doctors appointment prior to starting her on raw food.
I remember that I had given her a flee treatment and also changed her
brand of kibble, and not to mention that she had just had a litter of
eleven about two months prior.

I guess what I saying is that raw was a good move for my babies, right
now it is a little pricey feeding all six but it is worth it in the
clean up and the vet bill that I did not have to make. Thanks you to
those that answered my question.

Arlene

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5a. Re: newbie - few questions
Posted by: "Denise Strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:58 am ((PDT))

A 20 lb dog probably won't finish a whole chicken, but it can eat on a
whole chicken. I posted earlier that I feed 2 5lb Chis whole chickens
and pork roasts, etc. Just let her eat what she wants or needs and put
the rest in the fridge for the next meal. Some people give veggies for
treats. They just shouldn't be part of the diet. I don't think giving
her the stalks as a chew toy will hurt as long as she's not eating
enough to replace her meal. Denise

I think a 20 pound dog is too small for a whole chicken - yeah?
And I am reading not to feed vegetables - but gabby really likes them,
she will even eat the stalks that my brussels sprouts come one, it's
like a bone to her. Should I stop giving it to her?

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6a. Re: bones in poo!
Posted by: "Denise Strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:28 am ((PDT))

Just to add to Chris O's comments:

What about leg quarters? Are those bones too hard?
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Mostly not too hard. Maybe for very young or very small dogs. You
would be surprised what those carnivorous little teeth can
accomplish.

I feed these to small dogs (5lbers and less) all of the time.
Sometimes a new to raw dog won't eat all/any of the bone in the
beginning. They usually don't have much jaw strength because kibble
and canned don't require much effort to eat. As they go along they
get stronger and more able to eat bones.

beef liver doesn't interest him.
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Liver is non-negotiable, but you can try other than beef liver.
Chicken liver is fine; pork liver seems less potent than beef, so
consider that as well.

Also check the archives for tricks to get them started. I find that
some dogs that don't like liver in the beginning come around after a
while. Denise

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6b. Re: bones in poo!
Posted by: "Denise Strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:53 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "patti.h310" <patti.h310@> wrote:
I'm new to raw feeding and my 50lb. Beardie loves me for it. However,
he's very particular! Chicken wings and leg quarters are ok, but he
won't touch necks. Beef Ribs give him loose stooles. Won't touch
turkey necks or any kind of liver. Will not even consider lamb. He
loves pork neck bones but sometimes I find large, quarter sized pieces
of hard bone in his poo. (I poked it with a stick!) Should I stop
giving him the pork neck bones?

A little bone in his poop is really no big deal. It just means that he
was not able to digest all of the bone as it passed through his
system. I don't feed much pork neck bones, but when I do I add just
meat to them since they are usually heavy on bone and short on meat if
they come from the grocery store. A whole neck is a different animal
all together. The main problem, as I see it, is that you are allowing
the dog to decide his diet. This makes as much sense as letting a
child decide what they will and will not eat. The loose stool with the
beef ribs was probably because it was new and some dogs bodies have to
adjust to new foods in the beginning. Liver is the one organ that is
not negotiable. Look in the archives for various ways people convince
dogs to eat it. As far as the rest of your problems with your dog
being picky: Here's the deal, he can only be picky if you allow it.
Also if you have only been raw feeding a short time, you might be
giving him too much variety, too soon. But you haven't given enough
detail to know if that might be it or not. I know the picky eating
problem is dealt with frequently, so check the archives for that
too. Denise

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7a. German Shepherd Overwieght
Posted by: "nasseralkhalifa" nasseralkhalifa@yahoo.com nasseralkhalifa
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:28 am ((PDT))

I sent a post but don't know if I did submit it or not....So I will give
it one more go:

I bought a GSD puppy a month ago. She is 3 months old now and is doing
well. My issue with feeding her is that after deworming her she has
starrted putting on weight. The issue is that it is good but now she has
gained more than I would expect. Please correct me if I am wrong. I read
on a website once that a puppy needs to be fed 2-3% its adult weight. It
sounded that it might be wrong but my thoughts were that maybe its right
as the puppys need to grow. My other worry about the weight is that as
she is growing being over my have issue with her structure as her bones
are can get affected with carrying all this weight.

Cheers,

Nasser

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7b. Re: pigs feet and cow hooves
Posted by: "Howard Salob" itiskismet1968@yahoo.com itiskismet1968
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:11 am ((PDT))

nasseralkhalifa <nasseralkhalifa@yahoo.com> wrote: Dear Group,

Supermarkets by me sell pigs feet and cow hooves. Are these good for my dog. The bones on the hooves feel very hard. Is this for a meal or more for a treat.

SIncerely,

Howard

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7c. Re: pigs feet and cow hooves
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:42 am ((PDT))

Howard Salob <itiskismet1968@...> wrote:
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> Supermarkets by me sell pigs feet and cow hooves. Are these good
for my dog. The bones on the hooves feel very hard. Is this for a meal
or more for a treat.
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Small, split pig's feet are at best treats. It depends on the dog.
Some people feed cow hooves because their dogs do well on them. I
don't feed split pig's feet because they are too small for my dogs and
for the same reason I do not offer cow hooves.

When my BC was a pup I gave her a hoof, figuring she was a good size
for it. She didn't demolish the thing or try to swallow it whole
(which is a good thing) but she did wake up at o'dark thirty with some
dandy hoof bit horks.

Neither of these are meals and whether they are amusements for your dog
is up to you and your dog.
Chris O

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8a. Newbie question - Chicken bones and possibility of intestinal perfor
Posted by: "hszymkowski" hszymkowski@yahoo.com hszymkowski
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:38 am ((PDT))

Hello,
I've been feeding my lab raw for about 3 weeks, based entirely on what
I've read here. Breeze loves it, happily scarfs whatever I put in
front of her, and has shown no signs of any problems or distress. My
husband, who's still somewhat skeptical of raw feeding, was
"cautioned" by a biologist of the possibility of chicken bones (cooked
OR raw) causing intestinal perforation.
Any truth to that, and how do I dispel his anxiety?

Thank you all!
Heidi

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8b. Re: Newbie question - Chicken bones and possibility of intestinal pe
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:53 am ((PDT))

Truth about the cooked chicken bones, not the raw. You can compare two drumsticks one
cooked, one raw, to see just how hard and brittle bones get after being cooked. You've got a
whole list of people who feed chicken and don't have intestinal perforations, you should ask
the biologist friend for some proof.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "hszymkowski" <hszymkowski@...> wrote:

> My husband, who's still somewhat skeptical of raw feeding, was
> "cautioned" by a biologist of the possibility of chicken bones (cooked
> OR raw) causing intestinal perforation.
> Any truth to that, and how do I dispel his anxiety?

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8c. Re: Newbie question - Chicken bones and possibility of intestinal pe
Posted by: "Denise Strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:35 am ((PDT))

My husband, who's still somewhat skeptical of raw
feeding,was "cautioned" by a biologist of the possibility of chicken
bones (cooked OR raw) causing intestinal perforation. Any truth to
that, and how do I dispel his anxiety?
Thank you all!
Heidi

Biologist?, so what? The fact that there's 10,000 people on this list,
many of them have been doing this for years. Also there are breeders,
vets, vet techs, vet assts., groomers, trainers, rescuers, etc doing
this with no intestinal perforations in sight. If all this doesn't
reassure him, I'd just tell him he is a nervous nelly and needs to get
over it. But, that's just me. Denise

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9a. ONE (SUCCESSFUL, I THINK) WEEK OF RAW
Posted by: "Kevin & Nancy McCloskey" kpmnlm@patmedia.net miensasis
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:39 am ((PDT))

Hello.

I have been reading this list for the last week and decided to come out of
the woodwork and post. I have two soft-coated wheatens, Riley 2 yrs and
Molly 1 yr. For the last week I have been feeding them meals of either
chicken or beef, with a little bit of cow's liver, and some raw meaty
chicken drumsticks (and one time a meaty beef rib). So far things have gone
very well. Both dogs took to raw like they have never seen real food before
(probably because they hadn't). They enthusiastically gulp down their meal.
I've been very, very lucky (knock on wood) that I have not had diarrhea or
loose stool issues or throwing up. I do have a couple of questions for the
group though:

* Both dogs weigh 30 lbs and are relatively high energy. I am feeding
8-10 ounces of meat, bone and organ. Is this enough??? Sometimes late in
the evening they seem to be looking for more---although they aren't
obnoxious or begging. They have both always been thin dogs ( you can feel,
but not see their ribs and hip bones) and I haven't noticed them looking
emaciated.however, I do want them to be comfortable and not hungry.
* I have been feeding meaty chicken drumsticks and they chomp and
crunch on these a few times then swallow. I've read some posts that say to
feed the whole quarter leg. Given the size of my dogs, is giving them the
drumstick size safe?
* I have been using up my old treat biscuits but am wondering what I
can use once they are finished. I saw raw dehydrated salmon in the pet
store (no other additives or fillers). Would this be an appropriate treat?
How about freeze dried chicken, beef livers, or jerky?
* I live in a townhouse and so feeding outside isn't an option. I
have been giving the rmbs in the dogs' crates to keep it contained. I read
about a 50/50 mix of vinegar and water for crate cleaning. Any other
suggestions? How about tea tree oil and water??
* And finally, this might sound silly, but how worried do I need to be
about the raw food coming in contact with their beards and contaminating the
house. I have 2 boys that love to give the dogs' kisses, etc. and my
wheatens love to reciprocate.

I am truly amazed and have seen such remarkable improvements in my dogs'
demeanor and behavior. I makes me so happy to see them happy and thriving.
Thanks to all of you for the wealth of info on this list. Feeding raw can
be a very lonely thing.especially in the area in which I live. It's nice to
be able to connect with others doing the same.

Thank you,

Nancy

In New Jersey

With two exuberant Wheaten terriers

Riley - 2 yr old male

Molly - 1 yr old female

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9b. Re: ONE (SUCCESSFUL, I THINK) WEEK OF RAW
Posted by: "Denise Strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:35 am ((PDT))

They have both always been thin dogs ( you can feel, but not see
their ribs and hip bones) and I haven't noticed them looking
emaciated.

####That's not thin, that's just right.

Given the size of my dogs, is giving them the drumstick size safe?

####That's a dog to dog thing. I have a 45 lb Pit that safely eats
legs and thighs. But I have seen dogs smaller than that try to
swallow these. If your dog eats them safely or not is the deciding
factor.

I saw raw dehydrated salmon in the pet store (no other additives or
fillers). Would this be an appropriate treat? How about freeze
dried chicken, beef livers, or jerky?

####I don't really do treats so I can't help you there. If there are
little bits of food left on plates after a meal or bits they like
when I'm preparing people food I give it to the dogs. That's about
the extent of treating I do. Of course they often convince my
grandkids to share their snacks with them.

I read about a 50/50 mix of vinegar and water for crate cleaning.
Any other suggestions? How about tea tree oil and water??

####The vinegar and water is what I use, not just for cleaning after
feeding the dogs. I clean the counters, tables, floors, mirrors and
so on.

And finally, this might sound silly, but how worried do I need to be
about the raw food coming in contact with their beards and
contaminating the house. I have 2 boys that love to give the dogs'
kisses, etc. and my wheatens love to reciprocate.

####Your dogs already like their butts and other places and kiss
your kids, so I wouldn't worry about it. Denise

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10a. Re: another runny poo question
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:33 am ((PDT))

Hmm. . .dark brown runny poo usually comes from heart or organs around here. Your
mom might be right, the back attached to the leg quarter usually still has organs
attached, maybe that is the culprit? I would suggest fasting comet for a day to let his gut
recover. Don't limit water intake. Are you sure he isn't eating too much food at once?
Hope that helped a little.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "sillypoodle2003" <angels_mom73@...> wrote:

> the schipperke (comet) almost always has runny poo after eating lately.
> it is the color and consistency of chocolate pudding. he eats about a
> half a leg quarter, then will go and drink a bunch of water. later in
> the night, he has runny poo on the floor. wondering if we should
> limit his water intake? also, his belly feels very hard and bloated
> and he wont eat for 2 days. this is just with chicken. my mother
> seems to think that there is some connection between him eating part
> of the back which is attatched to the leg quarter. so my questions
> are:

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10b. Re: another runny poo question
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:12 am ((PDT))

"sillypoodle2003" <angels_mom73@...> wrote:
> 1. do you all think this is a variety problem, being that their main
> diet is chicken?
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Stop feeding chicken and see what happens. Chicken is not magic. If
chicken consistently doesn't work, don't feed it. Or, conversely, quit
feeding everything else but chicken. One way or the other, change
something.

> 2. how do i correct the "bloating" problem? someone suggested
> probiotics/or yogurt?
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Stop feeding chicken and see what happens. That bloating should not
happen with adequately digested food. Quit feeding it and if that
doesn't work quit feeding everything but chicken.

i know variety is key, and we do our best.
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Yeah, but the key doesn't have a deadline. If you have to back up in
order to proceed, do it. If you have to tiptoe through raw to find
what works, do it. Although I absolutely believe there is a raw diet
for every dog, there's no question that you gotta find the right one
and that takes as long as it takes. Don't worry about variety if
variety is inappropriate right now.

Chris O

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11a. Re: Fish and fur and other friends?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:42 am ((PDT))

ginny wilken <gwilken@...> wrote:
> When's THIS thread going to Rawchat? Yes on the environment.
*****
I'm sorry. You could have taken it there any time you wanted to but
definitely from this point on all goldfish husbandy discussion should
go at least as far away as RawChat. Probably further than that.

Thank you, Ginny.
(Hugs to Tomo)

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12. no poop is it time to panic?
Posted by: "Josephine Morningstar" josephine.morningstar@gmail.com jomorningstar
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:11 am ((PDT))

if no poop on a raw feed dog.. does that mean that everything she ate was
used up and no poop is not a reason to panic?

no poop for 4 days.. then very small poop..(one 3 in long fairly dark, then
2 in long softer much lighter color) and then i think its cause i ON
PURPOSE gave her 1 cup cows milk.

she is refusing meat with bones.. wants only ground up meat. and has no
poop.. (but has strong appetite for ground up foot. or solid meat with no
bone in it.. )

she drinks water and pees ..

vet visit on monday.. vet said her heart was GREAT.. sounded like 3 yr old
dog.. he had to double check her chart for her AGE.. 9.5yrs she has energy
(but sort of down since vet visit) also lungs clear, just gunky stuff in
ears (no ear mites under microscope though)

(OH. before this her poop was dry but she was not drinking much water
either. too hot for me to move around, no one here will take her out often
for pee.. she adjusted her intake to match what was better for me. She WONT
go out the door even if i try to get her ..esp when its HOT as hot makes it
risky for me as i pass out on exertion. ) (i have exertional asthma)
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Native American in Massachusetts

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13a. Re: Update on my "starving" dog
Posted by: "Denise Strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:47 am ((PDT))

I haven't gotten to the earlier posts on this, but did anybody mention
yet that a dog will not starve itself to death, but they will train
you to feed them what they want? At my house you eat what you get or
you don't eat til the next meal time and that goes for dogs or
grandkids. You wouldn't let a small child decide his/her diet
(hopefully), why would you let your dog. A dog can go a few days
without any serious consequences to skipping meals. Don't be
manipulated by your dog, that's just sad.
Denise

> I understand your point, but what is up with her rejecting the
chicken and the beef? I could see if she just hated the chicken, but
she's rejecting everything...except the cheese, of course. Obviously,
I'm keeping an eye on her b/c I would never want to make her ill
especially since the point of this diet was for her to have better
health! I'll keep everyone posted on our progress. I appreciate all
the input!
Sarah

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14a. ADMIN/Re: new to raw with a question DEMODEX
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:52 am ((PDT))

Folks, please.
A request for definition does not necessarily open the door to
discussion. Talk all demodex medical conversation ro RawChat or
DogHealth. No foolin'.
Chris O
Moderation Team

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